Scapegoats....

[Sting of the North]

If you don't believe Shadid Khan wouldn't preference his son (by giving him more equity for transfer budget as DoF), then please explain how TK got the job as DoF in the first place.

My guess, and surely most would agree what was most likely, is Shahid Khan thought Tony could be successful in the DoF role.

Shahid may have had doubts, and have given Tony the benefit of the doubt, but I think it very unlikely he expected Tony to waste £100m, get relegated and undo four years' hard work, and end up on the receiving end of Twitter abuse and fans' protest banners.

You seem to be suggesting that Shahid knew Tony would be this poor and gave him the job anyway. I think that highly unlikely, because as I said above, ultimately that outcome has been harmful to both Fulham and Tony.

:plus one:

[toshes mate]

If we agree that Shad K has the interests of the club at heart, and I think most of us do, then eventually he should decide to move his son out of the DoF role (however reluctantly).  Having made such a significant change of approach then I think we could reasonably assume he would continue to make transfer funds available. Otherwise why bother to go through all the personal plain of reassigning his son into a different role?

I do agree that SK likely has the best interest of the club at heart, but that surely only translates to him removing TK under the assumption that SK agrees that TK is the (or one of the) problem(s). I agree however that if he has (and will continue to have) our best at heart, then removing TK would not mean that funds are not made available.

For what it's worth, I believe that we would likely be better off without TK as DoF (of course assuming we get a decent replacement), but the important part is of course what SK thinks. I wouldn't be surprised if SK agrees, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't.

SK is a proud man and a proud father.  Why wouldn't he believe in his son's ability to make good with his bespoke analytics system?  What is less favourable to SK's situation would have been blind faith, and only SK can inform as to whether or not his belief in his son was suspect to the point of fault at the time he a) purchased FFC and b) made him a most significant wheel in the whole machine.  Regardless of how we feel about it he was and is entitled to make those decisions an we are equally entitled to praise or vilify his decisions.

Whatever others believe my feelings are about TK, I will always allow him the latitude to come good in whatever way he manifests that and I will give him credit when he does so.  I think it is important that everyone on this board realises that we all deal with the life of FFC as moments in time and our comments tend to reflect those moments in time.   I try not to get too elated about the high spots and not too depressed about the down times.  But I get very frustrated by silliness in actions when it is far easier for a key player to be sensible and contribute in a sensible manner.  SK and TK have neglected the sensible option far too often for my taste.

[The Rational Fan]

If we agree that Shad K has the interests of the club at heart, and I think most of us do, then eventually he should decide to move his son out of the DoF role (however reluctantly).  Having made such a significant change of approach then I think we could reasonably assume he would continue to make transfer funds available. Otherwise why bother to go through all the personal plain of reassigning his son into a different role?

Your logic is: if Shadid Khan sacks Tony Khan, then before June 2019 the new DoF will convince SK to give FFC the maximium £35m of new Equity investment as per allowed by FFP Rules. You're probably correct, but it could go either way.

If SK doesn't give the DoF another £35m in june 2019, then the new DoF will be slashing the wage bill (but we don't have a big wages to slash) and selling players replacing them with youth players (with the only players worth selling being Mawson, Seri, Cainrey, Mitro and Sessegnon).

If SK does give the DoF £35m this summer, then the DoF isn't going to do much this summer except use that money to keep our top players (like Mawson, Seri, Cairney and Mitro) and buy a few of the current/past loan players interest in the championship (maybe Nordveidt, Kalas, Babel, Markovoic, Vietto or Piazon etc).

Either way it is whether SK provides £35m this summer that makes the biggest difference, and very little to do with who is the DoF IMO.

[The Rational Fan]

If you don't believe Shadid Khan wouldn't preference his son (by giving him more equity for transfer budget as DoF), then please explain how TK got the job as DoF in the first place.

My guess, and surely most would agree what was most likely, is Shahid Khan thought Tony could be successful in the DoF role.

Shahid may have had doubts, and have given Tony the benefit of the doubt, but I think it very unlikely he expected Tony to waste £100m, get relegated and undo four years' hard work, and end up on the receiving end of Twitter abuse and fans' protest banners.

You seem to be suggesting that Shahid knew Tony would be this poor and gave him the job anyway. I think that highly unlikely, because as I said above, ultimately that outcome has been harmful to both Fulham and Tony.

:plus one:

I don't believe SK thought his son would be poor and I'm not sure he blames his son now. I was trying to imply that SK biasely believed in and supports his son more than other DoFs, which includes more financial help and forgiveness of mistakes.

And I don't accept FFC has undo four years' hard work, because by going up we have managed to get four year contracts for 1) Fabri, 2) Christie,  3)Bryan, 4) Mawson, 5) MLM, 6) Anguissa, 8) Seri, 9) Mitro, 10) Cairney, 11) Kamara with acceptable wage bill that two years of parchate payments can cover. IMO, FFC are better positioned to enter compete in the Championship than anytime since 2000-01.

As for the belief that that recruitment over the summer wasn't good enough to compete, I don't accept that but i do think we needed more time (like a year more) to gel. I think our contracted squad last season was thread bare and frankly our 23 unbeaten run was thanks to loan players and no injuries. The 17/18 was get back in the EPL, get more EPL money including promised parchate payments and then work out how to stay up or if that doesn't work at least have a Championship team with money to get up.

At the start of the summer, we pulled together a squad slightly more expensive than other teams in one transfer window and while our players may be a little better than others team, their superior teamwork, chemistry and on field form produced better results. If we can get this team back in the EPL, then the team work will be much better and i rpedict we will survive relegation.

As for Tony Khan wasting £100m, let me reminded you that number includes Mitrovoic and it also includes players TK signed before Mitrovoic (like Seri, MLM, Fabri and Schullre's loan) that helped make Mitro sign.

The book value of the £100m of signings be £76m in the summer and SK would probably be happy to write off the £35m FFP allows (paying off what remains of Anguissa, Mawson and Fabri transfer fee), leaving the book value @ £41m (which Mitro 27m, Seri, MLM and Bryan are easily worth combined).

Of course, we can get into the Tony Khan had nothing to do with signing Mitrovoic debate, but I doubt that is TKs version of events and whatever the truth, probably SK's version of events includes his son as instrumental in the Mitrovoic signing.

[Penfold]

If you don't believe Shadid Khan wouldn't preference his son (by giving him more equity for transfer budget as DoF), then please explain how TK got the job as DoF in the first place.

My guess, and surely most would agree what was most likely, is Shahid Khan thought Tony could be successful in the DoF role.

Shahid may have had doubts, and have given Tony the benefit of the doubt, but I think it very unlikely he expected Tony to waste £100m, get relegated and undo four years' hard work, and end up on the receiving end of Twitter abuse and fans' protest banners.

You seem to be suggesting that Shahid knew Tony would be this poor and gave him the job anyway. I think that highly unlikely, because as I said above, ultimately that outcome has been harmful to both Fulham and Tony.

:plus one:

I don't believe SK thought his son would be poor and I'm not sure he blames his son now. I was trying to imply that SK biasely believed in and supports his son more than other DoFs, which includes more financial help and forgiveness of mistakes.

And I don't accept FFC has undo four years' hard work, because by going up we have managed to get four year contracts for 1) Fabri, 2) Christie,  3)Bryan, 4) Mawson, 5) MLM, 6) Anguissa, 8) Seri, 9) Mitro, 10) Cairney, 11) Kamara with acceptable wage bill that two years of parchate payments can cover. IMO, FFC are better positioned to enter compete in the Championship than anytime since 2000-01.

As for the belief that that recruitment over the summer wasn't good enough to compete, I don't accept that but i do think we needed more time (like a year more) to gel. I think our contracted squad last season was thread bare and frankly our 23 unbeaten run was thanks to loan players and no injuries. The 17/18 was get back in the EPL, get more EPL money including promised parchate payments and then work out how to stay up or if that doesn't work at least have a Championship team with money to get up.

At the start of the summer, we pulled together a squad slightly more expensive than other teams in one transfer window and while our players may be a little better than others team, their superior teamwork, chemistry and on field form produced better results. If we can get this team back in the EPL, then the team work will be much better and i rpedict we will survive relegation.

As for Tony Khan wasting £100m, let me reminded you that number includes Mitrovoic and it also includes players TK signed before Mitrovoic (like Seri, MLM, Fabri and Schullre's loan) that helped make Mitro sign.

The book value of the £100m of signings be £76m in the summer and SK would probably be happy to write off the £35m FFP allows (paying off what remains of Anguissa, Mawson and Fabri transfer fee), leaving the book value @ £41m (which Mitro 27m, Seri, MLM and Bryan are easily worth combined).

Of course, we can get into the Tony Khan had nothing to do with signing Mitrovoic debate, but I doubt that is TKs version of events and whatever the truth, probably SK's version of events includes his son as instrumental in the Mitrovoic signing.

How do you work out the book value of those signings at £76m?

Mitrovic may have increased in value, all the others, in my opinion, would have done down significantly.

[toshes mate]

As for the belief that that recruitment over the summer wasn't good enough to compete, I don't accept that but i do think we needed more time (like a year more) to gel.

This quote is, however, wholly irrational, since recruitment - (in your words) to be good enough to compete - needed to compete from game one and not gel (in your words) by the end of the season. 

Football is a team sport and that 'team' includes everybody from owner to casual employees.  When teams click they normally do well.  When teams do not click they do badly.  The art of football is mainly about ensuring the click happens more often than it doesn't, and, this season, it simply hasn't happened.  Who is to most to blame for clicking failure, if anyone is to blame, is largely the reason why this forum thrives in bad times just as it does so in good times.  However, defending individuals or blaming them requires a considerable effort to produce hard evidence rather than soft opinion which is why these threads can be interesting or boring according to taste.  Mitro joined us because he helped us win promotion and we stumped up the cash.  The cash was FFC's to stump up (i.e. no longer the Khans' money at that stage) and so the signing was a 'team' signing based on the period immediately after Mitro joined us.   

[The Rational Fan]

If you don't believe Shadid Khan wouldn't preference his son (by giving him more equity for transfer budget as DoF), then please explain how TK got the job as DoF in the first place.

My guess, and surely most would agree what was most likely, is Shahid Khan thought Tony could be successful in the DoF role.

Shahid may have had doubts, and have given Tony the benefit of the doubt, but I think it very unlikely he expected Tony to waste £100m, get relegated and undo four years' hard work, and end up on the receiving end of Twitter abuse and fans' protest banners.

You seem to be suggesting that Shahid knew Tony would be this poor and gave him the job anyway. I think that highly unlikely, because as I said above, ultimately that outcome has been harmful to both Fulham and Tony.

:plus one:

I don't believe SK thought his son would be poor and I'm not sure he blames his son now. I was trying to imply that SK biasely believed in and supports his son more than other DoFs, which includes more financial help and forgiveness of mistakes.

And I don't accept FFC has undo four years' hard work, because by going up we have managed to get four year contracts for 1) Fabri, 2) Christie,  3)Bryan, 4) Mawson, 5) MLM, 6) Anguissa, 8) Seri, 9) Mitro, 10) Cairney, 11) Kamara with acceptable wage bill that two years of parchate payments can cover. IMO, FFC are better positioned to enter compete in the Championship than anytime since 2000-01.

As for the belief that that recruitment over the summer wasn't good enough to compete, I don't accept that but i do think we needed more time (like a year more) to gel. I think our contracted squad last season was thread bare and frankly our 23 unbeaten run was thanks to loan players and no injuries. The 17/18 was get back in the EPL, get more EPL money including promised parchate payments and then work out how to stay up or if that doesn't work at least have a Championship team with money to get up.

At the start of the summer, we pulled together a squad slightly more expensive than other teams in one transfer window and while our players may be a little better than others team, their superior teamwork, chemistry and on field form produced better results. If we can get this team back in the EPL, then the team work will be much better and i rpedict we will survive relegation.

As for Tony Khan wasting £100m, let me reminded you that number includes Mitrovoic and it also includes players TK signed before Mitrovoic (like Seri, MLM, Fabri and Schullre's loan) that helped make Mitro sign.

The book value of the £100m of signings be £76m in the summer and SK would probably be happy to write off the £35m FFP allows (paying off what remains of Anguissa, Mawson and Fabri transfer fee), leaving the book value @ £41m (which Mitro 27m, Seri, MLM and Bryan are easily worth combined).

Of course, we can get into the Tony Khan had nothing to do with signing Mitrovoic debate, but I doubt that is TKs version of events and whatever the truth, probably SK's version of events includes his son as instrumental in the Mitrovoic signing.

How do you work out the book value of those signings at £76m?

Mitrovic may have increased in value, all the others, in my opinion, would have done down significantly.

The £76m book value is purely an accounting number that appears on the balance sheet, related to who much paid and the length of their contracts. For example, if we buy Anguissa for £25m on a five year his book value is £20m after one year, regardless of his real value. If the DOF see his value as lower than 20m after one year, he has to impair his value and cut wages. Under FFP rules we have to cut wages when we impair over £35m (so we can only devalue Anguissa, Mawson and Fabri to zero.

[Twig]

If we agree that Shad K has the interests of the club at heart, and I think most of us do, then eventually he should decide to move his son out of the DoF role (however reluctantly).  Having made such a significant change of approach then I think we could reasonably assume he would continue to make transfer funds available. Otherwise why bother to go through all the personal plain of reassigning his son into a different role?

Your logic is: if Shadid Khan sacks Tony Khan, then before June 2019 the new DoF will convince SK to give FFC the maximium £35m of new Equity investment as per allowed by FFP Rules. You're probably correct, but it could go either way.

If SK doesn't give the DoF another £35m in june 2019, then the new DoF will be slashing the wage bill (but we don't have a big wages to slash) and selling players replacing them with youth players (with the only players worth selling being Mawson, Seri, Cainrey, Mitro and Sessegnon).

If SK does give the DoF £35m this summer, then the DoF isn't going to do much this summer except use that money to keep our top players (like Mawson, Seri, Cairney and Mitro) and buy a few of the current/past loan players interest in the championship (maybe Nordveidt, Kalas, Babel, Markovoic, Vietto or Piazon etc).

Either way it is whether SK provides £35m this summer that makes the biggest difference, and very little to do with who is the DoF IMO.

I didn't say when SK might arrive at the decision to reassign (not sack) his son, I said eventually.  The DoF does more than authorise transfers and I am absolutely clear that a suitably qualified person would make a big difference.  You keep quoting £35m as the summer investment budget but repeating doesn't make the number any more accurate. There is so much that can happen between now and whenever TK moves over.  All I know is that when he does I want a qualified person in charge.

[Penfold]

If you don't believe Shadid Khan wouldn't preference his son (by giving him more equity for transfer budget as DoF), then please explain how TK got the job as DoF in the first place.

My guess, and surely most would agree what was most likely, is Shahid Khan thought Tony could be successful in the DoF role.

Shahid may have had doubts, and have given Tony the benefit of the doubt, but I think it very unlikely he expected Tony to waste £100m, get relegated and undo four years' hard work, and end up on the receiving end of Twitter abuse and fans' protest banners.

You seem to be suggesting that Shahid knew Tony would be this poor and gave him the job anyway. I think that highly unlikely, because as I said above, ultimately that outcome has been harmful to both Fulham and Tony.

:plus one:

I don't believe SK thought his son would be poor and I'm not sure he blames his son now. I was trying to imply that SK biasely believed in and supports his son more than other DoFs, which includes more financial help and forgiveness of mistakes.

And I don't accept FFC has undo four years' hard work, because by going up we have managed to get four year contracts for 1) Fabri, 2) Christie,  3)Bryan, 4) Mawson, 5) MLM, 6) Anguissa, 8) Seri, 9) Mitro, 10) Cairney, 11) Kamara with acceptable wage bill that two years of parchate payments can cover. IMO, FFC are better positioned to enter compete in the Championship than anytime since 2000-01.

As for the belief that that recruitment over the summer wasn't good enough to compete, I don't accept that but i do think we needed more time (like a year more) to gel. I think our contracted squad last season was thread bare and frankly our 23 unbeaten run was thanks to loan players and no injuries. The 17/18 was get back in the EPL, get more EPL money including promised parchate payments and then work out how to stay up or if that doesn't work at least have a Championship team with money to get up.

At the start of the summer, we pulled together a squad slightly more expensive than other teams in one transfer window and while our players may be a little better than others team, their superior teamwork, chemistry and on field form produced better results. If we can get this team back in the EPL, then the team work will be much better and i rpedict we will survive relegation.

As for Tony Khan wasting £100m, let me reminded you that number includes Mitrovoic and it also includes players TK signed before Mitrovoic (like Seri, MLM, Fabri and Schullre's loan) that helped make Mitro sign.

The book value of the £100m of signings be £76m in the summer and SK would probably be happy to write off the £35m FFP allows (paying off what remains of Anguissa, Mawson and Fabri transfer fee), leaving the book value @ £41m (which Mitro 27m, Seri, MLM and Bryan are easily worth combined).

Of course, we can get into the Tony Khan had nothing to do with signing Mitrovoic debate, but I doubt that is TKs version of events and whatever the truth, probably SK's version of events includes his son as instrumental in the Mitrovoic signing.

How do you work out the book value of those signings at £76m?

Mitrovic may have increased in value, all the others, in my opinion, would have done down significantly.

The £76m book value is purely an accounting number that appears on the balance sheet, related to who much paid and the length of their contracts. For example, if we buy Anguissa for £25m on a five year his book value is £20m after one year, regardless of his real value. If the DOF see his value as lower than 20m after one year, he has to impair his value and cut wages. Under FFP rules we have to cut wages when we impair over £35m (so we can only devalue Anguissa, Mawson and Fabri to zero.

A balance sheet figure is not necessarily the actual value of an asset. There would be some accounting rationale. However, a footballer isn't exactly like a piece of real estate. The value is what someone would be prepared to pay for them.

[The Rational Fan]

As for the belief that that recruitment over the summer wasn't good enough to compete, I don't accept that but i do think we needed more time (like a year more) to gel.

This quote is, however, wholly irrational, since recruitment - (in your words) to be good enough to compete - needed to compete from game one and not gel (in your words) by the end of the season. 

Football is a team sport and that 'team' includes everybody from owner to casual employees.  When teams click they normally do well.  When teams do not click they do badly.  The art of football is mainly about ensuring the click happens more often than it doesn't, and, this season, it simply hasn't happened.  Who is to most to blame for clicking failure, if anyone is to blame, is largely the reason why this forum thrives in bad times just as it does so in good times.  However, defending individuals or blaming them requires a considerable effort to produce hard evidence rather than soft opinion which is why these threads can be interesting or boring according to taste.  Mitro joined us because he helped us win promotion and we stumped up the cash.  The cash was FFC's to stump up (i.e. no longer the Khans' money at that stage) and so the signing was a 'team' signing based on the period immediately after Mitro joined us.   

You ask who is to blame for this years bad results, well I'll put two decisions that i consider the right ones for FFC long-term that greatly contributed to Fulham problems this year and both decisions the person most responsible was Tony Khan. The first was for the 17/18 squad that focused on getting promoted before parchate payments ran out rather than building a premier league ready squad (this included lots of loan players, slow players suited to championship and not a great centre backs. The second decision was when we went up to buy players that will be good in premier league for years even it takes them time to adjust rather than buying experienced that are just good enough to avoid relegation. Both decisions combined make the amount of time to gel longer, especially as Jokavoics style takes a time to understand and most of the players are basically not suited to Ranieri style anyway. The real test for the DoF if we get relegated do we have a better team than our last season in the Championship (i think we will) and will we have the chemistry to make it happen (i border between optimism and pessimism on this count).

[The Rational Fan]

As for the belief that that recruitment over the summer wasn't good enough to compete, I don't accept that but i do think we needed more time (like a year more) to gel.

This quote is, however, wholly irrational, since recruitment - (in your words) to be good enough to compete - needed to compete from game one and not gel (in your words) by the end of the season. 

Football is a team sport and that 'team' includes everybody from owner to casual employees.  When teams click they normally do well.  When teams do not click they do badly.  The art of football is mainly about ensuring the click happens more often than it doesn't, and, this season, it simply hasn't happened.  Who is to most to blame for clicking failure, if anyone is to blame, is largely the reason why this forum thrives in bad times just as it does so in good times.  However, defending individuals or blaming them requires a considerable effort to produce hard evidence rather than soft opinion which is why these threads can be interesting or boring according to taste.  Mitro joined us because he helped us win promotion and we stumped up the cash.  The cash was FFC's to stump up (i.e. no longer the Khans' money at that stage) and so the signing was a 'team' signing based on the period immediately after Mitro joined us.   

Tony Khan recruited a bunch of players over the summer that have signed for 4 years with Fulham include Fabri, Christie, Bryan, Mawson, MLM, Anguissa, Seri, Cairney, Mitro and Kamara. These players are good enough to compose the core of a premier league team, but as they haven't gelled this season they will have to do that via the championship and then compete on the premier league after wining that. If this team keeps this squad and bounces back into the premier league plus stays up they proved they are good enough to compete.

I believe one team that get relegated this season will get back into the premier league either next season or the season after. Let's make sure out of FFc, Huddersfield and probably Cardiff, let's make sure we are best placed to go up.

[toshes mate]

You ask who is to blame for this years bad results, well I'll put two decisions that i consider the right ones for FFC long-term that greatly contributed to Fulham problems this year and both decisions the person most responsible was Tony Khan. The first was for the 17/18 squad that focused on getting promoted before parchate payments ran out rather than building a premier league ready squad (this included lots of loan players, slow players suited to championship and not a great centre backs. The second decision was when we went up to buy players that will be good in premier league for years even it takes them time to adjust rather than buying experienced that are just good enough to avoid relegation. Both decisions combined make the amount of time to gel longer, especially as Jokavoics style takes a time to understand and most of the players are basically not suited to Ranieri style anyway. The real test for the DoF if we get relegated do we have a better team than our last season in the Championship (i think we will) and will we have the chemistry to make it happen (i border between optimism and pessimism on this count).

The 2017/18 squad per summer recruitment was put together without thought to the replacement of Malone and the tidying up of Fredericks's affairs at that time to secure him as an FFC player for the foreseeable future.  Of course there is the possibility both these issues were looked at. That appeared to hamper SJ's options in the early season with the same conundrum he had the previous year in dealing with attacks down our flanks making us vulnerable defensively.  A part of that may have been Aluko's sale. 

Although results picked up towards mid-season it was Targett and Mitro who made a big difference to our potential to attack and score regularly even when not playing at our best and with Cairney's injury worries and problems too.  That was a remarkable feat by our coaching personnel as a group and not down to TK or recruitment finesse.  I think self belief was what secured promotion. 

The summer of 2018 was the same TK poor mix as before not concentrating on key positions and instead chasing hype busting others.  We certainly needed central defenders but neither Chambers nor Mawson have been successful signings.  Chambers has come good in a box to box midfield role which he exploits to the limits and Mawson has been out of the side more often than being available.  Not his fault but certainly something TK should have been aware of, if not very wary of.   SP has taken his chance on the right foot and has given every indication he can foster a good spirit in the camp if nothing else, something Ranieri didn't do.  I am looking to SP to carry on one game at a time and seeing what the score is when his time as caretaker ends.  I am more optimistic of his nine games than I have been about any games since Anfield and I still see the season as alive until it is truly pronounced dead (thus dealing with your other TK suggestions).       

[The Rational Fan]

There is a version of reality that every bad signing is TK fault and every good signing had nothing to do with him, but either way he signs the cheque.

To imply TK recruitment was poor for the Championship winning season and to say Taggert and Mitrovoic made the difference, implies TK had nothing to with such signings, does anyone know that. I would think TK should be praised for Tagettt and Mitro especially if all he did was just sign and trust the manager.

TK get all the blame for the Mawson signing and yet i'm sure the doctor gave poor advice too. As for the Chambers decision thinking he's a CB amd backup RB, TK is hardly an idiot if he thought the same thing as Arsene Wenger and Roy Hodgson for England. I personally think any manager in the bottom half of the table would have loved to get Chambers on a £2m for one year bargain as a CB/RB.

i don't accept that TK recruited the 2nd worst players in the league, the team hasn't gelled yet and we look like the recruits of the summer of 2018, will need to prove themselves over 2019/20 and 20/21 to prove their value.

[Penfold]

There is a version of reality that every bad signing is TK fault and every good signing had nothing to do with him, but either way he signs the cheque.

To imply TK recruitment was poor for the Championship winning season and to say Taggert and Mitrovoic made the difference, implies TK had nothing to with such signings, does anyone know that. I would think TK should be praised for Tagettt and Mitro especially if all he did was just sign and trust the manager.

TK get all the blame for the Mawson signing and yet i'm sure the doctor gave poor advice too. As for the Chambers decision thinking he's a CB amd backup RB, TK is hardly an idiot if he thought the same thing as Arsene Wenger and Roy Hodgson for England. I personally think any manager in the bottom half of the table would have loved to get Chambers on a £2m for one year bargain as a CB/RB.

i don't accept that TK recruited the 2nd worst players in the league, the team hasn't gelled yet and we look like the recruits of the summer of 2018, will need to prove themselves over 2019/20 and 20/21 to prove their value.

But chances are a fair few won't be at Fulham in 2019/20 or 2020/21.....

[ALG01]

There is a version of reality that every bad signing is TK fault and every good signing had nothing to do with him, but either way he signs the cheque.

To imply TK recruitment was poor for the Championship winning season and to say Taggert and Mitrovoic made the difference, implies TK had nothing to with such signings, does anyone know that. I would think TK should be praised for Tagettt and Mitro especially if all he did was just sign and trust the manager.

TK get all the blame for the Mawson signing and yet i'm sure the doctor gave poor advice too. As for the Chambers decision thinking he's a CB amd backup RB, TK is hardly an idiot if he thought the same thing as Arsene Wenger and Roy Hodgson for England. I personally think any manager in the bottom half of the table would have loved to get Chambers on a £2m for one year bargain as a CB/RB.

i don't accept that TK recruited the 2nd worst players in the league, the team hasn't gelled yet and we look like the recruits of the summer of 2018, will need to prove themselves over 2019/20 and 20/21 to prove their value.

The version of reality is for 11 consecutive transfer windows there have been big issues that have cost us.
TK is in charge of recuritment and therefore it is down to him, and if not him then it has to be his dad for allowing it.
Of course a few were good signings, but we got to many of the wrong players in the wrong positions and I site you the full backs, center half and tough central midfielder we all knew we needed and failed to get. I do not believe in the whole world there are not a few in each position that were actually available that we could have persuded to come. we also needed experienced players for the return to the Prem but they do not like older players. We alsi have far too manny loan sinings again.

If you cannot see that TK is a very big problem in trying to make Fulham a long term success thenthat is your opinion, it's not an individual error, is the mass of repeating errors.

[Lighthouse]

The version of reality that is actually real and not just a bunch of over excited fans trying to heap all the problems of this season onto one man. Is that the signings were fine but we needed to find players for the problems in the squad we had before a ball was kicked. No right back, no centre half, no left back. Fill those with good quality players and we would have had a season of survival. But we didn't. But that happens whoever is in charge. Yes even the experts get it wrong and don't find the right deals for the right players.

Many fans still want to treat football and life as a pantomime and find a baddie they can boo and hiss at. I will tell you the biggest disappointment for me is that there is always the few fans who want to attack and beat up others in a discussion and debate. The worst thing about a poor season is not always the football but the need to split and divide fellow fans.

[The Rational Fan]

There is a version of reality that every bad signing is TK fault and every good signing had nothing to do with him, but either way he signs the cheque.

To imply TK recruitment was poor for the Championship winning season and to say Taggert and Mitrovoic made the difference, implies TK had nothing to with such signings, does anyone know that. I would think TK should be praised for Tagettt and Mitro especially if all he did was just sign and trust the manager.

TK get all the blame for the Mawson signing and yet i'm sure the doctor gave poor advice too. As for the Chambers decision thinking he's a CB amd backup RB, TK is hardly an idiot if he thought the same thing as Arsene Wenger and Roy Hodgson for England. I personally think any manager in the bottom half of the table would have loved to get Chambers on a £2m for one year bargain as a CB/RB.

i don't accept that TK recruited the 2nd worst players in the league, the team hasn't gelled yet and we look like the recruits of the summer of 2018, will need to prove themselves over 2019/20 and 20/21 to prove their value.

The version of reality is for 11 consecutive transfer windows there have been big issues that have cost us.
TK is in charge of recuritment and therefore it is down to him, and if not him then it has to be his dad for allowing it.
Of course a few were good signings, but we got to many of the wrong players in the wrong positions and I site you the full backs, center half and tough central midfielder we all knew we needed and failed to get. I do not believe in the whole world there are not a few in each position that were actually available that we could have persuded to come. we also needed experienced players for the return to the Prem but they do not like older players. We alsi have far too manny loan sinings again.

If you cannot see that TK is a very big problem in trying to make Fulham a long term success thenthat is your opinion, it's not an individual error, is the mass of repeating errors.

What players signed for other relegation battlers that we should have signed? Where is the magically cheap defensive midfielder that is Premier League quality at a reasonable price?

Other clubs would point to Mitrovoic as a great signing for our level club, and surely Newcastle recruitment are morons for selling him. In the end, which club is doing really well at recruitment that is similar to us. Please avoid the top six, leicester, everton, west ham and wolves because they all had better options than us.

Personally, i think we lost to Cardiff, Huddersfield, Burnley, Southampton and drew with Brighton for reasons other than recruitment. And frankly, we should have one surprise win (like against leicester) per season, which would have had us between 25 and 33 points at the moment.

Jokavoic cane out in the media saying TK needed to buy cover for McDonald a few days before deadline day (SJ obviously didn't want Norwood). Tony Khan gets enormous criticism for spending £24m for cover, which is fair enough. TK clearly was looking for a better option otherwise why wait to deadline day, what was the other option? We know the price of Anguissa went up because other teams were bidding on him, indicating there wasn't much out there.

[colinwhite]

The version of reality that is actually real and not just a bunch of over excited fans trying to heap all the problems of this season onto one man. Is that the signings were fine but we needed to find players for the problems in the squad we had before a ball was kicked. No right back, no centre half, no left back. Fill those with good quality players and we would have had a season of survival. But we didn't. But that happens whoever is in charge. Yes even the experts get it wrong and don't find the right deals for the right players.

Many fans still want to treat football and life as a pantomime and find a baddie they can boo and hiss at. I will tell you the biggest disappointment for me is that there is always the few fans who want to attack and beat up others in a discussion and debate. The worst thing about a poor season is not always the football but the need to split and divide fellow fans.

excellent post.

[MJG]

Many fans still want to treat football and life as a pantomime and find a baddie they can boo and hiss at. I will tell you the biggest disappointment for me is that there is always the few fans who want to attack and beat up others in a discussion and debate.

All 100% true and this has been on the increase recently here.

[toshes mate]

The version of reality that is actually real and not just a bunch of over excited fans trying to heap all the problems of this season onto one man. Is that the signings were fine but we needed to find players for the problems in the squad we had before a ball was kicked. No right back, no centre half, no left back. Fill those with good quality players and we would have had a season of survival. But we didn't. But that happens whoever is in charge. Yes even the experts get it wrong and don't find the right deals for the right players.

Many fans still want to treat football and life as a pantomime and find a baddie they can boo and hiss at. I will tell you the biggest disappointment for me is that there is always the few fans who want to attack and beat up others in a discussion and debate. The worst thing about a poor season is not always the football but the need to split and divide fellow fans.

A good post, Lighthouse, but I do not believe this Forum is any better or any worse this season to any other season regarding assault and battery on these threads.  I have left this Forum alone for several weeks once before because I was tired of the accusations, irritated by a completely unwarranted warning as to my conduct from the mods at a time when FOF was in a turmoil.  It felt better when I returned.  It also felt better to PM mods when annoyed or concerned about something.

I almost left the Forum again last August, last October and at the time Nose recently left because of what I consider to be unpleasant and unnecessary attacks made on me and others by commenters who proclaim to be squeaky clean and may even privately squeal when they get a bit of their own back.   And all those posters know exactly who they are.   We all have a choice when we dislike a post and that is to ignore it if we do not wants matters to get out of hand. 

When we post a comment we expect others to read it in the way it is written but that doesn't always happen because people do not refer back up the thread to see where the discussion may have gone wrong long before someone gets upset and shows it using words.