Scapegoats....

[Woolly Mammoth]

Well, for what it's worth Toshes Mate, I am glad you are still here in attendance, you are a breath of fresh air. But then again, that's what my first wife told me just before she filed for divorce.
Only joking, couldn't resist it, keep writing in your opinions, they are always absorbing, constructive, level headed and impartial.

[toshes mate]

Thank you for your kind words and support, WM.  We are all in this together, and it was in my 'bad times' that I realised just how important this Forum is to me, and how stupid and silly it is to allow anyone to try to make you feel inferior.  The best reaction is to always give it your best shot and to do the best you can to get a fair hearing from others.  I tried hard to support Nose but I feel he is so very passionately embroiled in the things that are wrong at FFC to deal with it in ways that may work for others.  I miss his contributions a great deal because he has a way of pressing the buttons of others, which is what a Forum thrives on, and hope he will one day return once more.  His self deprecating humour is what I miss most about him.

As for me I am here for the duration and I thank the moderators who have given me advice when I have needed it. Thinking through their feedback I have a much better handle on what this Forum is really all about and I would say 'none of us are precious unless each and every one of us is precious' slings and arrows notwithstanding.   

[Woolly Mammoth]

Thank you for your kind words and support, WM.  We are all in this together, and it was in my 'bad times' that I realised just how important this Forum is to me, and how stupid and silly it is to allow anyone to try to make you feel inferior.  The best reaction is to always give it your best shot and to do the best you can to get a fair hearing from others.  I tried hard to support Nose but I feel he is so very passionately embroiled in the things that are wrong at FFC to deal with it in ways that may work for others.  I miss his contributions a great deal because he has a way of pressing the buttons of others, which is what a Forum thrives on, and hope he will one day return once more.  His self deprecating humour is what I miss most about him.

As for me I am here for the duration and I thank the moderators who have given me advice when I have needed it. Thinking through their feedback I have a much better handle on what this Forum is really all about and I would say 'none of us are precious unless each and every one of us is precious' slings and arrows notwithstanding.   

Good philosophy TM, 👍⚽️.

[ALG01]

There is a version of reality that every bad signing is TK fault and every good signing had nothing to do with him, but either way he signs the cheque.

To imply TK recruitment was poor for the Championship winning season and to say Taggert and Mitrovoic made the difference, implies TK had nothing to with such signings, does anyone know that. I would think TK should be praised for Tagettt and Mitro especially if all he did was just sign and trust the manager.

TK get all the blame for the Mawson signing and yet i'm sure the doctor gave poor advice too. As for the Chambers decision thinking he's a CB amd backup RB, TK is hardly an idiot if he thought the same thing as Arsene Wenger and Roy Hodgson for England. I personally think any manager in the bottom half of the table would have loved to get Chambers on a £2m for one year bargain as a CB/RB.

i don't accept that TK recruited the 2nd worst players in the league, the team hasn't gelled yet and we look like the recruits of the summer of 2018, will need to prove themselves over 2019/20 and 20/21 to prove their value.

The version of reality is for 11 consecutive transfer windows there have been big issues that have cost us.
TK is in charge of recuritment and therefore it is down to him, and if not him then it has to be his dad for allowing it.
Of course a few were good signings, but we got to many of the wrong players in the wrong positions and I site you the full backs, center half and tough central midfielder we all knew we needed and failed to get. I do not believe in the whole world there are not a few in each position that were actually available that we could have persuded to come. we also needed experienced players for the return to the Prem but they do not like older players. We alsi have far too manny loan sinings again.

If you cannot see that TK is a very big problem in trying to make Fulham a long term success thenthat is your opinion, it's not an individual error, is the mass of repeating errors.

What players signed for other relegation battlers that we should have signed? Where is the magically cheap defensive midfielder that is Premier League quality at a reasonable price?

Other clubs would point to Mitrovoic as a great signing for our level club, and surely Newcastle recruitment are morons for selling him. In the end, which club is doing really well at recruitment that is similar to us. Please avoid the top six, leicester, everton, west ham and wolves because they all had better options than us.

Personally, i think we lost to Cardiff, Huddersfield, Burnley, Southampton and drew with Brighton for reasons other than recruitment. And frankly, we should have one surprise win (like against leicester) per season, which would have had us between 25 and 33 points at the moment.

Jokavoic cane out in the media saying TK needed to buy cover for McDonald a few days before deadline day (SJ obviously didn't want Norwood). Tony Khan gets enormous criticism for spending £24m for cover, which is fair enough. TK clearly was looking for a better option otherwise why wait to deadline day, what was the other option? We know the price of Anguissa went up because other teams were bidding on him, indicating there wasn't much out there.

I have to say , I do not even begining to agree with what you are saying. We are entitled to our opinion and that is what all this is.

But I take the view that on a day it is the players, over a season usually the manager and over a longer term the owner/board that are responsible especially when things go wrong. All through summer we debated what sort of players we needed and when we needed them, as we do every summer, and this summer like all the previous ones since this ownership have been here, i have been astounded at how poor the judgments have been. The owners are the constant not the managers or players.

we knew what was needed for this season and clearly we did not do what was necessary, and it was avoidable. This is a business judgment and if you think the owners transfer policy is working you will leave well alone.
But if you think it is failing then it needs to be dealt with and in the end it needs to be dealt with; 11 poor transfer windows with Mitroglu being a real highlit, the inability to get shot of ruiz another and signing a sick note as a center half yet another in a spectacular misfiring in that deartment is hard to defend. I can also say that they undermined SJ who desparately wanted to keep Aluko but they sold, and actually we really missed him last season. SJ was shot in the foot as the season started totally unecessarilly.
They nrought in the wrong man to attempt to fix it and he made it worse.

Now if your opinion is rank bad management that was avoidable is a good way to run the team, then that is a perfectly valid opinion, but I invest far too much time and emotion to want our club lying injured in the gutter due to negligence and arrogance. I want it to be the best it can be.

Oh, and Mitro was straight down to SJ taking matters into his own hands as acknowledged all round and if you are trying to tell me in all the world there are not full backs and center halves better than those we have, in the wprds of the cocknies, you're having a larfff.

IMO TK is a very big problem because he is not capable, and out of his depth and but for his familly connection would have been gone at least 3 years ago. He probably would not have ever got a sniff of the job, and I am afraid however you cut the roulade, that is just a fact.

[Woolly Mammoth]

There is a version of reality that every bad signing is TK fault and every good signing had nothing to do with him, but either way he signs the cheque.

To imply TK recruitment was poor for the Championship winning season and to say Taggert and Mitrovoic made the difference, implies TK had nothing to with such signings, does anyone know that. I would think TK should be praised for Tagettt and Mitro especially if all he did was just sign and trust the manager.

TK get all the blame for the Mawson signing and yet i'm sure the doctor gave poor advice too. As for the Chambers decision thinking he's a CB amd backup RB, TK is hardly an idiot if he thought the same thing as Arsene Wenger and Roy Hodgson for England. I personally think any manager in the bottom half of the table would have loved to get Chambers on a £2m for one year bargain as a CB/RB.

i don't accept that TK recruited the 2nd worst players in the league, the team hasn't gelled yet and we look like the recruits of the summer of 2018, will need to prove themselves over 2019/20 and 20/21 to prove their value.

The version of reality is for 11 consecutive transfer windows there have been big issues that have cost us.
TK is in charge of recuritment and therefore it is down to him, and if not him then it has to be his dad for allowing it.
Of course a few were good signings, but we got to many of the wrong players in the wrong positions and I site you the full backs, center half and tough central midfielder we all knew we needed and failed to get. I do not believe in the whole world there are not a few in each position that were actually available that we could have persuded to come. we also needed experienced players for the return to the Prem but they do not like older players. We alsi have far too manny loan sinings again.

If you cannot see that TK is a very big problem in trying to make Fulham a long term success thenthat is your opinion, it's not an individual error, is the mass of repeating errors.

What players signed for other relegation battlers that we should have signed? Where is the magically cheap defensive midfielder that is Premier League quality at a reasonable price?

Other clubs would point to Mitrovoic as a great signing for our level club, and surely Newcastle recruitment are morons for selling him. In the end, which club is doing really well at recruitment that is similar to us. Please avoid the top six, leicester, everton, west ham and wolves because they all had better options than us.

Personally, i think we lost to Cardiff, Huddersfield, Burnley, Southampton and drew with Brighton for reasons other than recruitment. And frankly, we should have one surprise win (like against leicester) per season, which would have had us between 25 and 33 points at the moment.

Jokavoic cane out in the media saying TK needed to buy cover for McDonald a few days before deadline day (SJ obviously didn't want Norwood). Tony Khan gets enormous criticism for spending £24m for cover, which is fair enough. TK clearly was looking for a better option otherwise why wait to deadline day, what was the other option? We know the price of Anguissa went up because other teams were bidding on him, indicating there wasn't much out there.

I have to say , I do not even begining to agree with what you are saying. We are entitled to our opinion and that is what all this is.

But I take the view that on a day it is the players, over a season usually the manager and over a longer term the owner/board that are responsible especially when things go wrong. All through summer we debated what sort of players we needed and when we needed them, as we do every summer, and this summer like all the previous ones since this ownership have been here, i have been astounded at how poor the judgments have been. The owners are the constant not the managers or players.

we knew what was needed for this season and clearly we did not do what was necessary, and it was avoidable. This is a business judgment and if you think the owners transfer policy is working you will leave well alone.
But if you think it is failing then it needs to be dealt with and in the end it needs to be dealt with; 11 poor transfer windows with Mitroglu being a real highlit, the inability to get shot of ruiz another and signing a sick note as a center half yet another in a spectacular misfiring in that deartment is hard to defend. I can also say that they undermined SJ who desparately wanted to keep Aluko but they sold, and actually we really missed him last season. SJ was shot in the foot as the season started totally unecessarilly.
They nrought in the wrong man to attempt to fix it and he made it worse.

Now if your opinion is rank bad management that was avoidable is a good way to run the team, then that is a perfectly valid opinion, but I invest far too much time and emotion to want our club lying injured in the gutter due to negligence and arrogance. I want it to be the best it can be.

Oh, and Mitro was straight down to SJ taking matters into his own hands as acknowledged all round and if you are trying to tell me in all the world there are not full backs and center halves better than those we have, in the wprds of the cocknies, you're having a larfff.

IMO TK is a very big problem because he is not capable, and out of his depth and but for his familly connection would have been gone at least 3 years ago. He probably would not have ever got a sniff of the job, and I am afraid however you cut the roulade, that is just a fact.

ALG01, I agree with more or less all you say, which is a fact, I could not have put it better myself.
.

[David I]

Thank you for your kind words and support, WM.  We are all in this together, and it was in my 'bad times' that I realised just how important this Forum is to me, and how stupid and silly it is to allow anyone to try to make you feel inferior.  The best reaction is to always give it your best shot and to do the best you can to get a fair hearing from others.  I tried hard to support Nose but I feel he is so very passionately embroiled in the things that are wrong at FFC to deal with it in ways that may work for others.  I miss his contributions a great deal because he has a way of pressing the buttons of others, which is what a Forum thrives on, and hope he will one day return once more.  His self deprecating humour is what I miss most about him.

As for me I am here for the duration and I thank the moderators who have given me advice when I have needed it. Thinking through their feedback I have a much better handle on what this Forum is really all about and I would say 'none of us are precious unless each and every one of us is precious' slings and arrows notwithstanding.   

Always remember.. Everyone is entitled to their OWN opinion - BUT (and it's a big  BUT), not one opinion is worth more than the other. No matter how vocal x

[Woolly Mammoth]

Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.

[colinwhite]

There is a version of reality that every bad signing is TK fault and every good signing had nothing to do with him, but either way he signs the cheque.

To imply TK recruitment was poor for the Championship winning season and to say Taggert and Mitrovoic made the difference, implies TK had nothing to with such signings, does anyone know that. I would think TK should be praised for Tagettt and Mitro especially if all he did was just sign and trust the manager.

TK get all the blame for the Mawson signing and yet i'm sure the doctor gave poor advice too. As for the Chambers decision thinking he's a CB amd backup RB, TK is hardly an idiot if he thought the same thing as Arsene Wenger and Roy Hodgson for England. I personally think any manager in the bottom half of the table would have loved to get Chambers on a £2m for one year bargain as a CB/RB.

i don't accept that TK recruited the 2nd worst players in the league, the team hasn't gelled yet and we look like the recruits of the summer of 2018, will need to prove themselves over 2019/20 and 20/21 to prove their value.

The version of reality is for 11 consecutive transfer windows there have been big issues that have cost us.
TK is in charge of recuritment and therefore it is down to him, and if not him then it has to be his dad for allowing it.
Of course a few were good signings, but we got to many of the wrong players in the wrong positions and I site you the full backs, center half and tough central midfielder we all knew we needed and failed to get. I do not believe in the whole world there are not a few in each position that were actually available that we could have persuded to come. we also needed experienced players for the return to the Prem but they do not like older players. We alsi have far too manny loan sinings again.

If you cannot see that TK is a very big problem in trying to make Fulham a long term success thenthat is your opinion, it's not an individual error, is the mass of repeating errors.

What players signed for other relegation battlers that we should have signed? Where is the magically cheap defensive midfielder that is Premier League quality at a reasonable price?

Other clubs would point to Mitrovoic as a great signing for our level club, and surely Newcastle recruitment are morons for selling him. In the end, which club is doing really well at recruitment that is similar to us. Please avoid the top six, leicester, everton, west ham and wolves because they all had better options than us.

Personally, i think we lost to Cardiff, Huddersfield, Burnley, Southampton and drew with Brighton for reasons other than recruitment. And frankly, we should have one surprise win (like against leicester) per season, which would have had us between 25 and 33 points at the moment.

Jokavoic cane out in the media saying TK needed to buy cover for McDonald a few days before deadline day (SJ obviously didn't want Norwood). Tony Khan gets enormous criticism for spending £24m for cover, which is fair enough. TK clearly was looking for a better option otherwise why wait to deadline day, what was the other option? We know the price of Anguissa went up because other teams were bidding on him, indicating there wasn't much out there.

I have to say , I do not even begining to agree with what you are saying. We are entitled to our opinion and that is what all this is.

But I take the view that on a day it is the players, over a season usually the manager and over a longer term the owner/board that are responsible especially when things go wrong. All through summer we debated what sort of players we needed and when we needed them, as we do every summer, and this summer like all the previous ones since this ownership have been here, i have been astounded at how poor the judgments have been. The owners are the constant not the managers or players.

we knew what was needed for this season and clearly we did not do what was necessary, and it was avoidable. This is a business judgment and if you think the owners transfer policy is working you will leave well alone.
But if you think it is failing then it needs to be dealt with and in the end it needs to be dealt with; 11 poor transfer windows with Mitroglu being a real highlit, the inability to get shot of ruiz another and signing a sick note as a center half yet another in a spectacular misfiring in that deartment is hard to defend. I can also say that they undermined SJ who desparately wanted to keep Aluko but they sold, and actually we really missed him last season. SJ was shot in the foot as the season started totally unecessarilly.
They nrought in the wrong man to attempt to fix it and he made it worse.

Now if your opinion is rank bad management that was avoidable is a good way to run the team, then that is a perfectly valid opinion, but I invest far too much time and emotion to want our club lying injured in the gutter due to negligence and arrogance. I want it to be the best it can be.

Oh, and Mitro was straight down to SJ taking matters into his own hands as acknowledged all round and if you are trying to tell me in all the world there are not full backs and center halves better than those we have, in the wprds of the cocknies, you're having a larfff.

IMO TK is a very big problem because he is not capable, and out of his depth and but for his familly connection would have been gone at least 3 years ago. He probably would not have ever got a sniff of the job, and I am afraid however you cut the roulade, that is just a fact.

It may or not be a fact. It is was it is ,and opinions on TKs competence or lack of arent going to change much.Lets hope he learns from the mistakes of this year, and thethe squad will be better balanced next season.

[Woolly Mammoth]

He will never learn, because he has not learnt from his mistakes of previous years, because he is neither qualified or has the knowledge, nor capability, and neither will anyone intent on defending him learn, and he won't thank you for it either. You would never ask your dog to watch your food would you ? In the same way as you would never back an animal that hasn't got a jockey on its back.

[Sting of the North]

He will never learn, because he has not learnt from his mistakes of previous years, because he is neither qualified or has the knowledge, nor capability, and neither will anyone intent on defending him learn, and he won't thank you for it either. You would never ask your dog to watch your food would you ? In the same way as you would never back an animal that hasn't got a jockey on its back.

Well, I am of the belief that people can learn, and to say that someone cannot because he didn't learn it before or that he lacks the potential to do so is a little like the old saying that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. That saying is of course complete nonsense because you can indeed teach old dogs new tricks, and people can also indeed learn from past mistakes. If TK will do so in our case is anyone's guess, but as much as you would like it to appear to be so, it is indeed not set in stone. Many of your posts indicate that you can only see black or white (not saying that is the case, just pointing out that it is the impression I get from reading them) whereas I am convinced that most matters are of a various degrees of grey

I also think you confuse people's opinions and attempts at providing nuanced explanations as defending TK. It doesn't have to be the same thing.   

[Mince n Tatties]

There is a goat always escaping from an animal rescue centre near me,they've named it Bartlett from the Great Escape.🐐

[toshes mate]

Whether or not we learn from experience depends largely upon our emotional input to and understanding of those experiences.  As an example if we fall in love with someone the value of our love depends upon the intended target's worth for us.  You hear of people always falling for the wrong people and so, internally, that equates to us never learning and, since emotions are involved the stresses and tolls upon us are very heavy.   Eventually something has to give, but does that mean you learn the lesson by never falling in love again?  Learning is such a tricky subject to talk about objectively unless it is about acquiring a skill that can be regularly tested and measured by both you and others e.g. a sport, a craft, a hobby etc. 

What worries me about TK is his obsession with his analytics methodology which his father has bought into and so have the senior executives at FFC by all accounts.  That means that TK is getting his positive feedback already and so he doesn't have to change anything.  He can invent all kinds of reasons why things appear to go wrong which will have nothing to do with any flaws in his system (the same flaws that exist in all other analytics system I might add) and so he maintains his obsessional belief via his own personal support networks that he can make mistakes but he can do no wrong.  Just as Ranieri apparently misread the boos when he made substitutions as statements about the players being subbed did Khan read the St Mary's banner as supporters saying the manager should be sacked rather than saying TK you made a big mistake in the first place by suggesting the Italian was 'risk free'.  There are egos at work at FFC and they are seemingly impervious to the problems some of us perceive as being the root causes of what is wrong. 

I don't think TK is capable of learning unless and until he accepts he has a hell of a lot of learning to do.  I am not sure that'll happen because he isn't in a position where he has to learn anything.  He has got it made already.

[Woolly Mammoth]

He will never learn, because he has not learnt from his mistakes of previous years, because he is neither qualified or has the knowledge, nor capability, and neither will anyone intent on defending him learn, and he won't thank you for it either. You would never ask your dog to watch your food would you ? In the same way as you would never back an animal that hasn't got a jockey on its back.

Well, I am of the belief that people can learn, and to say that someone cannot because he didn't learn it before or that he lacks the potential to do so is a little like the old saying that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. That saying is of course complete nonsense because you can indeed teach old dogs new tricks, and people can also indeed learn from past mistakes. If TK will do so in our case is anyone's guess, but as much as you would like it to appear to be so, it is indeed not set in stone. Many of your posts indicate that you can only see black or white (not saying that is the case, just pointing out that it is the impression I get from reading them) whereas I am convinced that most matters are of a various degrees of grey

I also think you confuse people's opinions and attempts at providing nuanced explanations as defending TK. It doesn't have to be the same thing.   

I thought Fulhams colours were black and white not grey, what I do see is the owners son completely out of his depth, and only in his job because of who he is.
The same person who brought in his best mate CK to reek carnage during his tenure at Fulham.
TK is not a football person, has no qualifications in association football, except that he is the son of his father, who has even less qualifications.
So it's you that only sees black and white, and are in denial and do not like the fact that I disagree with your rose tinted views of TK.
He is not being asked to learn the alphabet, it goes a lot deeper than that, he is earning a lucrative salary as a failure, and Fulham are haemorrhageing money because of him while he hides behind his fathers empire, and you think that's alright do you.
You need to join the out tray with your hero, as the pair of you deserve each other.
When fruit is rotten, it cannot ripen again.

[Sting of the North]

He will never learn, because he has not learnt from his mistakes of previous years, because he is neither qualified or has the knowledge, nor capability, and neither will anyone intent on defending him learn, and he won't thank you for it either. You would never ask your dog to watch your food would you ? In the same way as you would never back an animal that hasn't got a jockey on its back.

Well, I am of the belief that people can learn, and to say that someone cannot because he didn't learn it before or that he lacks the potential to do so is a little like the old saying that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. That saying is of course complete nonsense because you can indeed teach old dogs new tricks, and people can also indeed learn from past mistakes. If TK will do so in our case is anyone's guess, but as much as you would like it to appear to be so, it is indeed not set in stone. Many of your posts indicate that you can only see black or white (not saying that is the case, just pointing out that it is the impression I get from reading them) whereas I am convinced that most matters are of a various degrees of grey

I also think you confuse people's opinions and attempts at providing nuanced explanations as defending TK. It doesn't have to be the same thing.   

I thought Fulhams colours were black and white not grey, what I do see is the owners son completely out of his depth, and only in his job because of who he is.
The same person who brought in his best mate CK to reek carnage during his tenure at Fulham.
TK is not a football person, has no qualifications in association football, except that he is the son of his father, who has even less qualifications.
So it's you that only sees black and white, and are in denial and do not like the fact that I disagree with your rose tinted views of TK.
He is not being asked to learn the alphabet, it goes a lot deeper than that, he is earning a lucrative salary as a failure, and Fulham are haemorrhageing money because of him while he hides behind his fathers empire, and you think that's alright do you.
You need to join the out tray with your hero, as the pair of you deserve each other.

It is unfortunate (although unfortunately not surprising) that your only actual reply to my post is being rude, making up things about what I have stated and then telling me to leave.

[Woolly Mammoth]

He will never learn, because he has not learnt from his mistakes of previous years, because he is neither qualified or has the knowledge, nor capability, and neither will anyone intent on defending him learn, and he won't thank you for it either. You would never ask your dog to watch your food would you ? In the same way as you would never back an animal that hasn't got a jockey on its back.

Well, I am of the belief that people can learn, and to say that someone cannot because he didn't learn it before or that he lacks the potential to do so is a little like the old saying that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. That saying is of course complete nonsense because you can indeed teach old dogs new tricks, and people can also indeed learn from past mistakes. If TK will do so in our case is anyone's guess, but as much as you would like it to appear to be so, it is indeed not set in stone. Many of your posts indicate that you can only see black or white (not saying that is the case, just pointing out that it is the impression I get from reading them) whereas I am convinced that most matters are of a various degrees of grey

I also think you confuse people's opinions and attempts at providing nuanced explanations as defending TK. It doesn't have to be the same thing.   

I thought Fulhams colours were black and white not grey, what I do see is the owners son completely out of his depth, and only in his job because of who he is.
The same person who brought in his best mate CK to reek carnage during his tenure at Fulham.
TK is not a football person, has no qualifications in association football, except that he is the son of his father, who has even less qualifications.
So it's you that only sees black and white, and are in denial and do not like the fact that I disagree with your rose tinted views of TK.
He is not being asked to learn the alphabet, it goes a lot deeper than that, he is earning a lucrative salary as a failure, and Fulham are haemorrhageing money because of him while he hides behind his fathers empire, and you think that's alright do you.
You need to join the out tray with your hero, as the pair of you deserve each other.

It is unfortunate (although far from surprising) that your only actual reply to my post is being rude and saying that I should leave. Just as you had to call another poster deluded, and futile earlier. Not really in the spirit of fostering a good discussion climate is it?

If you feel a sudden urge to actually discuss something, then please feel free to point out where I have defended TK. Or, at least feel free to point to anything I have actually written that you disagree with so that at least a discussion may be had. This is after all a discussion forum isn't it?

I do not recall any rudeness on my part, but if you are offended, then it was not my intention.
As you can appreciate I was brought up in a cave.
However, the mitigating circumstances are that I cannot be responsible for your extraordinary sensitivity in discussing and debating these matters.
Remember you pulled me up about my criticism of TK.
I was quite happily doing my knitting, and minding my own business, and whoosh, I get a message from you insinuating that I see everything in black and white.
Well I am just replying that you are barking up the wrong tree, and to be honest it would and should have been me accusing you of hypocrisy.
But as I am easy going and laid back almost horizontal, I was prepared to live and let live.
So let's relax, and in the meantime I shall keep you and your protege TK in my out tray for future reference.
Please remember, War does not determine who is right, but only who is left.
Also another word of advice......Never trust an Atom, they make up everything.

[Statto]

FWIW I don't believe Tony Khan takes any salary from FFC.

Alastair Mackintosh on the other hand takes £600k for being just as awful

[filham]

Well we have all said a lot, I wonder what the summer will bring, no doubt that there will be lots of player movement but surely the Khans will have learnt something from their mistakes and it will not simply be more of the same.

[Lordedmundo]

I would also point out that while Marselle were happy to let Anguissa go, the main reason the price got so high is other clubs were bidding on him pushing the price up and up (which is rumoured to be Southampton). So, if you want use the price of Anguissa as proof we had the most stupid DOF, then ok that's a great argument; but realise he is still only marginally more stupid than some

Of course we now now that Willie McKay, almost certainly screwed us over the same way he did Cardiff:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6714921/Cardiff-threaten-sue-football-agent-Willie-McKay-inflating-Emiliano-Sala-transfer-fee.html

He was also involved in the Seri deal.  I do wonder why the Khans are not looking at this in the same way as the Cardif chairman.....?

[The Rational Fan]

I would also point out that while Marselle were happy to let Anguissa go, the main reason the price got so high is other clubs were bidding on him pushing the price up and up (which is rumoured to be Southampton). So, if you want use the price of Anguissa as proof we had the most stupid DOF, then ok that's a great argument; but realise he is still only marginally more stupid than some

Of course we now now that Willie McKay, almost certainly screwed us over the same way he did Cardiff:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6714921/Cardiff-threaten-sue-football-agent-Willie-McKay-inflating-Emiliano-Sala-transfer-fee.html

He was also involved in the Seri deal.  I do wonder why the Khans are not looking at this in the same way as the Cardif chairman.....?

It is highly possible false rumours are spread, but I'd imagine Jokavoic would be able to find out "if Chelsea or Barcelona were really interested in Seri". I'd imagine Scott Parker to be able to find out "if the rumours that West Ham offerred more for Anguissa after FFC bought him have any creditablity". I am suspect Jokavoic/Parker wanted both Seri and Anguissa, although that doesn't mean they had any say in the overinflated price (although almost every player last summer except Mitro and Declan Rice seems to be overinflated in term of price).

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It is highly possible false rumours are spread, but I'd imagine Jokavoic would be able to find out "if Chelsea or Barcelona were really interested in Seri". I'd imagine Scott Parker to be able to find out "if the rumours that West Ham offerred more for Anguissa after FFC bought him have any creditablity". I am suspect Jokavoic/Parker wanted both Seri and Anguissa, although that doesn't mean they had any say in the overinflated price (although almost every player last summer except Mitro and Declan Rice seems to be overinflated in term of price).

Of course we can imagine anything, just as we may be easily led into believing anything.  Even intelligence services struggle because you cannot monitor every single event no matter what you try.  And even if, say, a Jokanovic or Parker figure could find out useful information from their network, what if a TK figure turns around and says 'go to hell, 'cos my sources say you are wrong'?  And that applies to incoming too.

That is why some of football's more durable characters have their strength in trusted networks, trusted agents and contacts, via former dealings, favours owed and returned.  It is the ability to turn the heads of players into wanting to buy into a regime that delivers what it promises.  The charisma of a MAF figure compared to the chagrin of someone who hasn't mastered the required arts. It is why people reject rather than respect.  In life we tend to play to our strengths rather than taking on and learning new things and I suspect TK is guilty as charged in that respect and has not realised that US and European cultures are not as similar as he may think.  He and his father certainly will not be helped by having yes-men around him.