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Fuel on the fire - Stat Attack

Started by YoungsBitter, March 11, 2019, 10:55:59 PM

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YoungsBitter

Interesting to read that in Baseball, the easiest game for stats to work - 160 games, lots of teams etc Stats is actually pretty entrenched now. BUT they are also understanding the power of scouting:
"Despite what you may have concluded from Moneyball, scouts are doing pretty fine in Major League Baseball. While teams have absolutely invested in analytics, think of that revolution as a "rising tide lifts all ships" situation, where the real conclusion isn't stats are better than scouts but rather information is good and teams that invest in lots of sources of information tend to succeed. The average ball club in 2019 employs 54.6 scouts, up from 51.3 in 2016 and 41.5 in 2009. That means that the average team employs 32 percent more scouts than it did a decade ago, coupled with considerable increases to research and development and player development departments as well."
So as much as people get apoplectic on here about stats, what we should be complaining about is the paucity of the scouting, as in Brain Talbot and his son. Reporting to the boss's son with his encyclopedic knowledge of footie.
Quark, strangeness and charm

hovewhite

Brian Talbot is that the Talbot at Ipswich and the gunners?

YoungsBitter

Quote from: hovewhite on March 11, 2019, 10:58:54 PM
Brian Talbot is that the Talbot at Ipswich and the gunners?
Yes, far as I know
Quark, strangeness and charm


The Rational Fan

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Quote from: YoungsBitter on March 11, 2019, 11:12:49 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on March 11, 2019, 10:58:54 PM
Brian Talbot is that the Talbot at Ipswich and the gunners?
Yes, far as I know

There are a lot of people here at FoF think changing Brian Talbot job title from "Assistant Director of Football Operations" to "Director of Football Operations" would improve recruitment, but I really fail to see how it changes much. The same people involved with SK having the final decision to release the money or not.

What I think would help is "The Khans" to learn about Football and get some more advisors.

Nero

what we dont know is what came first the chicken or the egg,by that i mean do the scouts recommend players and TK check the stats or the stats find the players and then they are scouted, either way the scouts have more to answer for the TK as these have seen the players play and are recommending them.

The Rational Fan

Quote from: Nero on March 13, 2019, 03:05:45 PM
what we dont know is what came first the chicken or the egg,by that i mean do the scouts recommend players and TK check the stats or the stats find the players and then they are scouted, either way the scouts have more to answer for the TK as these have seen the players play and are recommending them.

I think people aren't use to the insane prices of every player. For example, the average PL squad player in 15/16 was £4.86m and now its £15.39m So, the equivalent fee for Patrick Roberts from ManCity would be £20.5m today and a the equivalent price for a player like Abdoulaye Doucouré that Watford paid is £30.15m today (£9.54m then). Hence, its not so hard to understand why fees like Ryan Sessegnon for £50m and Seri for £25m may not be as over the top as they appear. We overpaid for players in this transfer market even at the new inflated prices, but we also need to recongnise that we practically stole Mitro he was so cheap.