D Day Veterans

[Statto]

We should always remember all those brave and selfless men and women who gave their lives for our freedom.
But we would also do well to remember the causes of this and many other conflicts; petty nationalism, bigotry, persecution, ruthless politicians pandering to populism etc. If we want to avoid future repeats we need to resist the urge to follow such doctrines again.

Hitler was a dictator, not a populist. His rise to power was a collapse of democracy. So we should also keep our own democracy intact by resisting the urge to deny people the things they vote for, or to throw milkshakes at those we disagree with.

[YankeeJim]

It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.
George S. Patton

While he was speaking about causalities in general, it certainly applies to all the Brits, Yanks and Canadians who stormed those beaches. 

[Twig]

We should always remember all those brave and selfless men and women who gave their lives for our freedom.
But we would also do well to remember the causes of this and many other conflicts; petty nationalism, bigotry, persecution, ruthless politicians pandering to populism etc. If we want to avoid future repeats we need to resist the urge to follow such doctrines again.

Hitler was a dictator, not a populist. His rise to power was a collapse of democracy. So we should also keep our own democracy intact by resisting the urge to deny people the things they vote for, or to throw milkshakes at those we disagree with.

Hitler became a dictator through his populist appeal to a German nation still smarting from the defeat and after effects of WW1. He rose through a complacent democratic republic, The Weimer and gained popularity by advocating populist policies; extreme nationalism, anti-semitism and anti-communism. He eventually was able to use his growing authority to create a dictatorship where there had been a democracy. So in what way was my original statement incorrect?

[ALG01]

we must never forget. I agree with everyone but not the statement to stop the memorial.

Even when the last veteran dies it is a poignant moment to realise for everyone and to recount for the children, and their children what could have been but for the bravery and sacrifice of those young, and not so young men and women.

What is for sure is we will make the same mistakes again, the lesson of history is that we do not learn the lessons history has for us but that does not mean we should not stop trying. Hitler appealed to base populist instincts, he demonised ethinic, racial and weak unprotected groups. he persudaded a nation to enter a mass hysteria, and unfortunately we seeds ofthat sort of thing now.... I think we should never forget and it is high time we taught in graphic technicolour just what really happened because there are kids today that surely do not know.

[David I]

I agree.

Although and I am possibly going to be slammed for this, when the last of them has gone, we have to stop going on about it (WW2). We have to move on as a country and as a world. The only thing we should celebrate then is the 100th anniversary of the end.

Why post something you know you'll get slammed for when you know very well your comments are inflammatory, disrespectful, and quite frankly - disgraceful!

By your snow flake logic you would like to eradicate history... for what? Who - Malcolm X, Jeremy Kyle or any current snowflake or LGBTQP ....?
Never underestimate or forget the sacrifice made to protect the UK and the rest of the world under attack from the socialist Nazis!
Ring a bell.... Far left Corbyn Momentum racists...

[Woolly Mammoth]

People worry about climate change wiping out humanity... surely the real threat is LGBTQ!?!
Life is about procreation .. female on female nor male on male cannot pro create naturally!!
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You make some good and valued points.

[Woolly Mammoth]

I agree.

Although and I am possibly going to be slammed for this, when the last of them has gone, we have to stop going on about it (WW2). We have to move on as a country and as a world. The only thing we should celebrate then is the 100th anniversary of the end.

Why post something you know you'll get slammed for when you know very well your comments are inflammatory, disrespectful, and quite frankly - disgraceful!

By your snow flake logic you would like to eradicate history... for what? Who - Malcolm X, Jeremy Kyle or any current snowflake or LGBTQP ....?
Never underestimate or forget the sacrifice made to protect the UK and the rest of the world under attack from the socialist Nazis!
Ring a bell.... Far left Corbyn Momentum racists...

Spot on David 1

[snarks]

I agree.

Although and I am possibly going to be slammed for this, when the last of them has gone, we have to stop going on about it (WW2). We have to move on as a country and as a world. The only thing we should celebrate then is the 100th anniversary of the end.

Why post something you know you'll get slammed for when you know very well your comments are inflammatory, disrespectful, and quite frankly - disgraceful!

By your snow flake logic you would like to eradicate history... for what? Who - Malcolm X, Jeremy Kyle or any current snowflake or LGBTQP ....?
Never underestimate or forget the sacrifice made to protect the UK and the rest of the world under attack from the socialist Nazis!
Ring a bell.... Far left Corbyn Momentum racists...

No you miss the point in spectacular fashion. I am not saying we ignore armistice day or forget the sacrifices those people made. I am saying we stop going on about WW2 except to celebrate its end, the same way we have with WW1 and Waterloo and Trafalgar.

We have to move on from a war against some of our closest neighbours when that is 100 years old.

[Peabody]

We should always remember all those brave and selfless men and women who gave their lives for our freedom.
But we would also do well to remember the causes of this and many other conflicts; petty nationalism, bigotry, persecution, ruthless politicians pandering to populism etc. If we want to avoid future repeats we need to resist the urge to follow such doctrines again.

Hitler was a dictator, not a populist. His rise to power was a collapse of democracy. So we should also keep our own democracy intact by resisting the urge to deny people the things they vote for, or to throw milkshakes at those we disagree with.

Hitler became a dictator through his populist appeal to a German nation still smarting from the defeat and after effects of WW1. He rose through a complacent democratic republic, The Weimer and gained popularity by advocating populist policies; extreme nationalism, anti-semitism and anti-communism. He eventually was able to use his growing authority to create a dictatorship where there had been a democracy. So in what way was my original statement incorrect?


For goodness, let's not have a row about this thread.

[Statto]

We should always remember all those brave and selfless men and women who gave their lives for our freedom.
But we would also do well to remember the causes of this and many other conflicts; petty nationalism, bigotry, persecution, ruthless politicians pandering to populism etc. If we want to avoid future repeats we need to resist the urge to follow such doctrines again.

Hitler was a dictator, not a populist. His rise to power was a collapse of democracy. So we should also keep our own democracy intact by resisting the urge to deny people the things they vote for, or to throw milkshakes at those we disagree with.

Hitler became a dictator through his populist appeal to a German nation still smarting from the defeat and after effects of WW1. He rose through a complacent democratic republic, The Weimer and gained popularity by advocating populist policies; extreme nationalism, anti-semitism and anti-communism. He eventually was able to use his growing authority to create a dictatorship where there had been a democracy. So in what way was my original statement incorrect?

For goodness, let's not have a row about this thread.

Granted. Several political posts on here now including Twig's original post so will leave it to the mods

[Burt]

This kind of shows why we have a "no politics" rule on here.

To Peabody's point, I am sure the initial intent here was one of reflection about a major historical event, and that the tone would therefore be respectful.

Let's keep it this way, else the thread will probably end up being locked/removed.

Cheers

Burt

[Holders]

It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.
George S. Patton

While he was speaking about causalities in general, it certainly applies to all the Brits, Yanks and Canadians who stormed those beaches. 

I wasn't aware of that quote, Jim, thanks for bringing it to our attention. I rather like it.

I had a grandfather on the Somme and a father in WW2 but I don't believe in "harping on about the war, 1966 and all that" from a standpoint of past glory. However,  I do think that we should continue to remember the dreadful loss of life even when all the combatants have passed away. The indelible message must be never to let it happen again. We should build bridges, celebrate our allies of the time and new friends and resolve issues by civilised debate and co-operation. We've had 70 years of peace, the Iron Curtain is now over 1000 miles further east and former Warsaw Pact countries now point their guns the other way. That's to be celebrated.

[bog]

Well I started this thread so these are my final words. I was born at the opposite end of the war to you Peabody, May 6th 1945. So I was one of the first to look forward to a free life. I will never 'move on.' Every time I hear bird song, see the sun go down, see the sun rise, see trees swaying in a gentle breeze, see flowers in full bloom or see my grandchildren running to me to jump into my arms I will always think of those who fell or those who survived. That may be 'over the top' but thank God I never had to do such a thing in times of conflict.

The monument yesterday was a long time coming. The US and Canada have had one for years but not us.

No I will never 'move on'.