Staff Layoffs

[I Ronic]

The UK government, in everyone's best interest, locked things down and.put in place the furlough system. As mentioned it was for all business. My daughters on furlough and her company isn't topping up the  missing 20% as the Club is.
The richest asset the Club owns are it's Players and dealing with them isn't as straightforward as the other employees.A further double whammy for our Chairman is he owns two clubs with highly valuable players.
Then he has his businesses and those employees. They are outside the UK so I've no idea whether those Countries, principally the US has the same or similar system in place. So he may be digging very deeply into his pockets to keep them afloat.
As far as I'm concerned, during his time at the Club he seems to have behaved  in an honourable and generous way..Until I see or hear anything different I'll happily give him the benifit of the doubt.
As per the players and what they are doing. Again for all we know they may well be giving large amounts of money to the NHS, Charities, their local communities and the like. We don't know and frankly its non of our business. It's theirs.

[ffcne]

I'm with you, Antiqua. Disgusting if true. Players, but also the owner who is richer than any of the players, could do the right thing and continue to pay staff during this. The amount of money spunked on agent fees, piss ups in Vegas, all sorts of other things, we are really not talking a lot to cover what will be a relatively small amount of staff (lots were cut when we dropped from the prem) on relatively small salaries, and look after them (in the way we want them to look after the club).

A lot of companies have done this and not put the cost on the tax payer. You take the good times and profit with a business, you have to be prepared to take a hit occasionally too. That's the gamble.

It's been good for highlighting which businesses do not deserve a penny of our (certainly mine) money going forward now though (Virgin, Wetherspoons, Sports Direct, et all). I really hope Fulham reverse this if true and don't add their name to that ugly mixing pot.

Have you ever run a business?
''Prepare to take a hit occasoinally''
This is much more than a hit ,companies will go from this.

[ByTheRiver]

I'm with you, Antiqua. Disgusting if true. Players, but also the owner who is richer than any of the players, could do the right thing and continue to pay staff during this. The amount of money spunked on agent fees, piss ups in Vegas, all sorts of other things, we are really not talking a lot to cover what will be a relatively small amount of staff (lots were cut when we dropped from the prem) on relatively small salaries, and look after them (in the way we want them to look after the club).

A lot of companies have done this and not put the cost on the tax payer. You take the good times and profit with a business, you have to be prepared to take a hit occasionally too. That's the gamble.

It's been good for highlighting which businesses do not deserve a penny of our (certainly mine) money going forward now though (Virgin, Wetherspoons, Sports Direct, et all). I really hope Fulham reverse this if true and don't add their name to that ugly mixing pot.

Have you ever run a business?
''Prepare to take a hit occasoinally''
This is much more than a hit ,companies will go from this.

I run a very successful one at the moment. One that is very much taking a massive hit at the moment but, guess what, I am paying my staff. I am supporting them in the time of need, the way that they have supporting me to achieve success.

Yes, many small businesses will go under - cafes, bars, music venues, all sorts. This is the what the scheme is there to help. Businesses that simply cannot afford to pay staff without income coming in. Businesses where this is the difference between going under and staying afloat.

Businesses continuing to play playing staff millions of pounds per month but not wanting to pay (lets pluck a figure of the air) 100-200k per month non-playing staff wages, is wrong.

Don't get me started on clowns like Branson who bases himself out of the British Virgin Islands to avoid UK tax (a bulk, some comapnies under his group do contribute before some bootlicker comes in with that), sued the NHS after losing a CCG contract, then comes in wanting tax payers money to bail him out! Better ask the Virgin Islands, pal.

Companies want a lot from their staff, in needs to work both ways.

[ByTheRiver]

Just in. Southampton players, coaching staff and directors take a three-month deferral so that non-playing staff can continue to earn 100% of salaries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52228542

You don't need to be a greedy, narcissist. What this has exposed is that some (often why they have accumulated such wealth, but not always - there are some good eggs) simply cannot even see that this is the right thing. That using some of their personal wealth to support their businesses is the right thing to do and to ensure the lowest paid can survive. It won't even enter their thoughts. Not their actual money. Get it covered by the government (who they have, in many cases, deceived around tax contributions).

Anyway, for the lowest paid, this could be the difference between needing a foodbank, a payday loan, cash converters or whatever. For those at the upper end (whilst still not 'fair') this is not the case. You've got to do the right thing.

[Motspur Park]

Southamptons example is exactly what most clubs should be following. Nobody said it is straightforward but this is what I would hope / expect would happen voluntarily. I also agree again with Statto that if not immediately forthcoming then pressure should be applied.

[ffcne]

Southamptons example is exactly what most clubs should be following. Nobody said it is straightforward but this is what I would hope / expect would happen voluntarily. I also agree again with Statto that if not immediately forthcoming then pressure should be applied.

Totally agree ,considering the average wage of a premier league player is 70k a week
Without endorsements ,bonuses etc
And they are not on PAYE.
Makes me laugh Jordan Henderson being made out as some chief negotiator hero.

[love4ffc]

Just in. Southampton players, coaching staff and directors take a three-month deferral so that non-playing staff can continue to earn 100% of salaries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52228542

You don't need to be a greedy, narcissist. What this has exposed is that some (often why they have accumulated such wealth, but not always - there are some good eggs) simply cannot even see that this is the right thing. That using some of their personal wealth to support their businesses is the right thing to do and to ensure the lowest paid can survive. It won't even enter their thoughts. Not their actual money. Get it covered by the government (who they have, in many cases, deceived around tax contributions).

Anyway, for the lowest paid, this could be the difference between needing a foodbank, a payday loan, cash converters or whatever. For those at the upper end (whilst still not 'fair') this is not the case. You've got to do the right thing.

:clap_hands:

[hovewhite]

Have to say fell out love with Fulham after season ticket renewal at end of last season because of the clubs aim of ripping off supporters at the gate so agree with the OP as the club is all about money now.

[Logicalman]

It's in today's Standard. Which, of course, may be a complete fabrication.
Which is why I'm asking for clarification.

I don't see what your point is ?

The Government are offering the Furlough grant to stop people being laid off without pay or being made redundant

A good employer would top up the 80% to full pay, which is what I hope our club are doing.

What is your issue with that ???

That they are using taxpayers' money to pay for those staff whilst continuing to pay millions to the players.

The government scheme was designed to stop small businesses from going bust during the lockdown. Not to enable football clubs with money coming out their arse to save a few thousand grand on costs whilst continuing to spunk millions on players sitting at home on their PlayStations.

I agree with the OP. Disgusting if true. Sincerely hope it's not.

Succinctly put Statto, and right on the button mate.   :54:

[Twig]

I've tried to understand both sides of this debate and thought about it carefully. I have to say that I just cannot reconcile using tax payers' money to pay furloughed football club staff when each and every first team squad member could easily  "adopt" a 2 or 3 of them and pay their salaries in full or at least in part.
The Khans have sunk a lot of money into our club and I'm sure they plan to continue to do so. They are very wealthy people but even their businesses will be taking a hit right now.  The players need to step up and make a contribution.