Seri spotted in london

[Colton F.C.]

Ultimately Fulham as well as Seri were the losers as a result of the trickery involved in the MLM/Seri deal.  It is to be hoped that TK has learnt from this and will act circumspectly if the situation arises of purchasing two players from the same club.

[kiwian]

IIRC Seri's signing was, by public account, a 'rash' decision by TK whilst negotiating FFC's interest in MLM, which likely led to an unsatisfactory taste in Jean Michael's mouth. 

Everything I've read said the opposite: MLM was the makeweight on a deal for Seri. Not the other way around.

But of course there are separate stories about the fee allocation by Nice, in which Fulham may have been complicit, which could account for the deal leaving an "unsatisfactory taste" with Seri because apparently it determined his bonus.

It is categorically as I put it, which was the reason why Seri was dissatisfied with Nice's pricing.  Even Seri's agent confirmed.  It is all on the old threads.

The only thing I can find in old threads suggesting our primary target was MLM is the L'Equipe article (https://www.ogcnissa.com/articles-13710-presse-seri-nice-un-differend-en-prime) in which, I will concede, the Nice general manager is quoted as saying "Fulham was first interested in Le Marchand, from January. Then they looked at Le Marchand and Plea. I whispered the name Seri to them as they were looking for a midfielder."

However, I'm not sure that equates to Seri's signing being "a 'rash' decision by TK whilst negotiating FFC's interest in MLM". It just means that, allegedly, we'd enquired about MLM six months earlier.

It's also worth noting that in the very same article, Seri's lawyers are reported to have said the complete opposite - "Fulham was initially only interested in Seri and it was Nice who insisted on coupling his cession to that of central defender Maxime Le Marchand"

Then of course when we signed Seri, Tony Khan said, "he has been at the very top of our target list for a long time." (https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2018/july/12/jean-michael-seri-signs)

Certainly not "categorically" as you put, and I remain inclined to believe Tony Khan's and Seri's lawyers' version of events, which is the opposite of what you've said. I'm not inclined to attach much credibility to the Nice general manager's comments, given the context of all this is him being accused of fraud.

Interesting. I wouldn't take TK and what he says too seriously, he seems to throw words and statements around too freely for me to feel like he has a concrete idea of what he's doing.

One thing dawned on me, although is obviously quite apparent, is that when both Lemina and Reed were signed he was quoted about saying the same thing word for word on how the signings were connected to a holistic approach and agreement between management, coaches and statisticians... he seems so desperate to put that in as a key reason we sign players, but he takes no responsibility for them when they fail - when if the statistics method worked so well, then you'd assume it'd include all factors that contribute to a player doing well and the errors on who we sign would start to become fewer and fewer... and I'm not convinced those lessons have been learned.

I would be very suprised if we simply happened to have looked through a variety of players globally and just happened to find two in the same club that statistically were ideal and great. Especially two players who, rightly or wrongly, are surplus to requirements at a more established premiership club (talking about the last six years).

I am not sure what you mean here? He states that scouts, coaches and stats are all involved and to me it seems like he really wants to emphasize that it's a team effort (all boxes ticked), not just his own (maybe because of all the criticism he has received previously). So, there are several key reasons.

I am however sure that there are many clubs in which he would find two players with great stats, but then it all has to come together. I am pretty sure that there can be a huge list of players with good stats seemingly suitable for FFC. However, when filtering for things such as price, PL (or UK) experience, age etc. the list is becoming smaller. Stats from England is of course valued higher (because they are more proven for the task ahead) but the downside is that the players are generally more expensive. Since it seems important to now include the coach as well it would surely make it more likely that we buy two players from the UK and even from the same team. That's not to say that there is no synergy effect between the acquisitions of Reed and Lemina, because obviously we already had a working relationship with Southampton.

I agree with you General, on ffc website TK states " I first pursued" [Harrison]...., then " I chose to pursue" [Lemina]...; Interesting.

[FFCBadger]

I might be Scott's decision, same way he brought back a rejuvinated Abou after he went out on loan for a season?
I remember how poor the Abou situation was, now he's one of the team again and giving everything...may, just maybe....

[toshes mate]

There are numerous instances where history has been twisted around to suit the vector of a particular writer, but I didn't think I'd witness it in real time as usually it takes many years for fact to become distorted.  I stand by what I have already said on this matter. since it was based on the initial French report of Seri's actions and contained verbatim reports of his agent's comments.

[rebel]

IIRC Seri's signing was, by public account, a 'rash' decision by TK whilst negotiating FFC's interest in MLM, which likely led to an unsatisfactory taste in Jean Michael's mouth. 

Everything I've read said the opposite: MLM was the makeweight on a deal for Seri. Not the other way around.

But of course there are separate stories about the fee allocation by Nice, in which Fulham may have been complicit, which could account for the deal leaving an "unsatisfactory taste" with Seri because apparently it determined his bonus.

It is categorically as I put it, which was the reason why Seri was dissatisfied with Nice's pricing.  Even Seri's agent confirmed.  It is all on the old threads.

Seri had an amazing debut, but his performances gradually went down hill from there. There was a realisation that he had been 'stitched' up by Nice and he didn't receive the monies he was due under the transfer. It was a 'rubbish' position for the player, for Fulham to be in. It reflected in his performances, add all the other rubbish 'on and off' the field, a perfect storm. Could we perform at work, if we were or felt we had been 'ripped off'?   

[Bryanthebroom]

Since TK seems to be obsessed with stats, I've just had a look on Whoscored.com. It keeps pretty detailed stats on player performances throughout the season.

It's interesting that Frank's defensive numbers look much better than Seri's - he has many more interceptions and tackles per game.

I think that this is why TK will ultimately want to keep Zambo but move Seri on.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/136262/Show/Jean-Michael-Seri
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/349561/Show/Andr%C3%A9-Frank-Zambo-Anguissa

As a side note, it's also pretty interesting to look at Harrison Reed/Mario Lemina to see how their numbers compare.

[Statto]

There are numerous instances where history has been twisted around to suit the vector of a particular writer, but I didn't think I'd witness it in real time as usually it takes many years for fact to become distorted.  I stand by what I have already said on this matter. since it was based on the initial French report of Seri's actions and contained verbatim reports of his agent's comments.

Where do his agent's comments say "Seri's signing was... a 'rash' decision by TK whilst negotiating FFC's interest in MLM" or anything that might support that view?

Genuine question. All I've done is referred to an "initial French report" (L'Equipe, November 2018) and the "verbatim reports" of Seri's representatives' comments in there clearly directly contradict what you're saying ("Fulham was initially only interested in Seri") but if other comments were made/reported then I'd be genuinely interested in reading them. Do you have a link to a different report?

[rebel]

[Statto]

Saddest thing is that after that Seri goal I remember thinking there was no chance of us going down. We were an absolutely different class to that Burnley team.

[toshes mate]

There are numerous instances where history has been twisted around to suit the vector of a particular writer, but I didn't think I'd witness it in real time as usually it takes many years for fact to become distorted.  I stand by what I have already said on this matter. since it was based on the initial French report of Seri's actions and contained verbatim reports of his agent's comments.

Where do his agent's comments say "Seri's signing was... a 'rash' decision by TK whilst negotiating FFC's interest in MLM" or anything that might support that view?

Genuine question. All I've done is referred to an "initial French report" (L'Equipe, November 2018) and the "verbatim reports" of Seri's representatives' comments in there clearly directly contradict what you're saying ("Fulham was initially only interested in Seri") but if other comments were made/reported then I'd be genuinely interested in reading them. Do you have a link to a different report?

It isn't a genuine question at all Statto.  It is simply word twisting and taking my comment out of context.

[ALG01]

Saddest thing is that after that Seri goal I remember thinking there was no chance of us going down. We were an absolutely different class to that Burnley team.

seri has talent but that is wasted if you do not have the right attitude.

King LKenny achampong was one of the single most gifted plaers we saw at fulham, but had a terribole attitude so never made it. if seri was all that we would be fighting off people for his signature. when he was with us, he should have put his back into it. EVDS turned his career around by doing just that. He was on the scrapheap till we took him and by putting in the effort at a less fashionable club he returned to the big time.

Seri and anguissa, never bothered themselkves.

talent isn't enough.

[rebel]

https://www.kick442.com/world-football-jean-michel-seri-drags-ogc-nice-to-court/

[hongkongfulham]

Ultimately Fulham as well as Seri were the losers as a result of the trickery involved in the MLM/Seri deal.  It is to be hoped that TK has learnt from this and will act circumspectly if the situation arises of purchasing two players from the same club.

Thank you for introducing me to the word circumspectly

[hongkongfulham]

Had the perfect angle behind that in the Hammy. What a day! The golden lion was bouncing apres

[Milo]

Do we think Seri's financial court battle was a major influence on his poor play?

Reality is anyone going through a big court battle would have their work affected?