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Tosin Adarabioyo , what if ?

Started by Riversider, October 09, 2020, 12:42:09 PM

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filham

Only time will tell how good our two new centre backs turn out to be for us. However right now there is hope of success.

1.Are they better than Mawson and Ream.
2, Remember Hangeland, who had heard anything about him before he arrived at the Cottage.
3. With Anderson, Adarabbioya, Loftus Creek and Mitro we have plenty of height in the box to defend corners and set pieces. That alone should help to keep the goals concede down.

Denver Fulham

Quote from: Statto on October 09, 2020, 04:14:06 PM
Also worth pointing out that he's comfortable on the left.

So really, all he needs to do to represent a good signing is be an upgrade on our existing LCB, Tim Ream.

Which is an incredibly low benchmark.

To think a kid with zero experience in the PL is immediately going to be better than Tim Ream and MLM is pretty crazy. Ream has been far better than Hector this season, for starters, and has miles of international and PL experience to lean on.

I'd also be stunned if we pair two new CBs who have never played together or in this league in a must-win match vs Sheffield United.

Hopefully Andersen makes one of them better while Tosin gets up to speed and then we'll see what happens.

fulhamben

Quote from: Denver Fulham on October 09, 2020, 08:06:31 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 09, 2020, 04:14:06 PM
Also worth pointing out that he's comfortable on the left.

So really, all he needs to do to represent a good signing is be an upgrade on our existing LCB, Tim Ream.

Which is an incredibly low benchmark.

To think a kid with zero experience in the PL is immediately going to be better than Tim Ream and MLM is pretty crazy. Ream has been far better than Hector this season, for starters, and has miles of international and PL experience to lean on.

I'd also be stunned if we pair two new CBs who have never played together or in this league in a must-win match vs Sheffield United.

Hopefully Andersen makes one of them better while Tosin gets up to speed and then we'll see what happens.
for all reams premier experience as you put it, hows that working out for him. Was it his experience that made him Miss kick clearances And failed to allow him to clear it which led to a wolves goal. Experience counts for nothing if you are a liability, and sadly ream is a liability.
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.


Twig

Quote from: fulhamben on October 09, 2020, 08:18:52 PM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on October 09, 2020, 08:06:31 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 09, 2020, 04:14:06 PM
Also worth pointing out that he's comfortable on the left.

So really, all he needs to do to represent a good signing is be an upgrade on our existing LCB, Tim Ream.

Which is an incredibly low benchmark.

To think a kid with zero experience in the PL is immediately going to be better than Tim Ream and MLM is pretty crazy. Ream has been far better than Hector this season, for starters, and has miles of international and PL experience to lean on.

I'd also be stunned if we pair two new CBs who have never played together or in this league in a must-win match vs Sheffield United.

Hopefully Andersen makes one of them better while Tosin gets up to speed and then we'll see what happens.
for all reams premier experience as you put it, hows that working out for him. Was it his experience that made him Miss kick clearances And failed to allow him to clear it which led to a wolves goal. Experience counts for nothing if you are a liability, and sadly ream is a liability.

Whatever you may say, he's been our best CB thus far over this brief season.

Statto

#24
Quote from: Denver Fulham on October 09, 2020, 08:06:31 PM
Ream has been far better than Hector this season, for starters

Quote from: Twig on October 09, 2020, 09:03:14 PM
Whatever you may say, he's been our best CB thus far over this brief season.

Objectively no he hasn't done any better, they've been equally poor. Ream is just perceived to have done better by some, because we had such low expectations of Ream and high expectations Hector.

So all his "PL experience" (one season in one of the worst defences in PL history) hasn't really helped


fulhamben

Quote from: Statto on October 09, 2020, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on October 09, 2020, 08:06:31 PM
Ream has been far better than Hector this season, for starters

Quote from: Twig on October 09, 2020, 09:03:14 PM
Whatever you may say, he's been our best CB thus far over this brief season.

Objectively no he hasn't done any better, they've been equally poor. Ream is just perceived to have done better by some, because we had such low expectations of Ream and high expectations Hector.

So all his "PL experience" (one season in one of the worst defences in PL history) hasn't really helped


exactly that, and I'd even argue that mlm has been the best of a bad bunch, made far less costly errors than anyone else.
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.


Arthur

Adarabioyo may not have played in the P.L. but he'll have come up against Ageuro, Jesus, Sterling etc. in training. I don't think he'd be overawed at the prospect of marking Eddie McGoldrick.

Whomever we pair with Andersen against Sheffield, it will be a partnership with less than two weeks' practice together. Assuming Parker considers Adarabioyo to be starting material, I don't see the value in Andersen spending this time training hardest alongside one of our other centre-backs - only to go through the same process again with Tosin in a few weeks' time. The sooner Parker's preferred pairing build an understanding together, the better.


FulhamStu

Quote from: Arthur on October 09, 2020, 09:36:56 PM
Adarabioyo may not have played in the P.L. but he'll have come up against Ageuro, Jesus, Sterling etc. in training. I don't think he'd be overawed at the prospect of marking Eddie McGoldrick.

Whomever we pair with Andersen against Sheffield, it will be a partnership with less than two weeks' practice together. Assuming Parker considers Adarabioyo to be starting material, I don't see the value in Andersen spending this time training hardest alongside one of our other centre-backs - only to go through the same process again with Tosin in a few weeks' time. The sooner Parker's preferred pairing build an understanding together, the better.



Agree with this, the only way they will get an understanding is on the pitch. Friendly yesterday will help and I would sort another one out for next Tuesday, making Sheff U their 3rd game together. Maybe !

RaySmith

I think think our two new cb's both have a good chance of playing, depending on Scott and the coaches' assessment.
At least, one has  experience of English football.

I also think  RLC has a good chance of inclusion . unless injured or not fully fit, but I don't think Chelsea would risk a still  important player for them, by sending him out on loan  unfit, and thus likely to cause him more damage.

Obviously not match fit, but you can only get this by playing games - he can be subbed if necessary.

We don't have the luxury of a lot of time, and at least we've had the break to bed these players in, and i think they will be very keen to play, and show what they can do.


Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: RaySmith on October 10, 2020, 09:11:39 AM
I think think our two new cb's both have a good chance of playing, depending on Scott and the coaches' assessment.
At least, one has  experience of English football.

I also think  RLC has a good chance of inclusion . unless injured or not fully fit, but I don't think Chelsea would risk a still  important player for them, by sending him out on loan  unfit, and thus likely to cause him more damage.

Obviously not match fit, but you can only get this by playing games - he can be subbed if necessary.

We don't have the luxury of a lot of time, and at least we've had the break to bed these players in, and i think they will be very keen to play, and show what they can do.

I agree and we have to show faith in these players, they are not novices, the guy from Man City would have had specialist coaching all through his development and playing in empty stadiums is not going to be daunting for them. We have to show the new players that we have Faith in them which will give them
confidence. Lookman in a short space of time has given us all the favour of what he is capable of and RLC has to be unleashed because we will see the best of him that way. As for Anderson he is genuine quality so I have no issues there either. Robinson is most definitely a plus. The jury is out for Lemina as he gives me the impression that he will blow hot and cold. Aina has a better second game but is yet to reach full fitness. Shame about Tete as he did look good. I feel so sorry for Rodak, he did not deserve to be treated like that. Cannot blame the new keeper it is not his fault, but I suppose we have got two really good International Goal Keepers. There is more competition for places which is healthy, but we desperately need a another striker at least. 
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

70sPimlico

Funnily enough I spoke to a Blackburn supporting mate only last night. He told me we had got a very good player. He has a good eye for players, so, despite your prediction, I am looking forward to him.

I dont think that not playing is indicative of anything other than he's bedding in for the right time.

Statto

Quote from: Arthur on October 09, 2020, 09:36:56 PM
Assuming Parker considers Adarabioyo to be starting material, I don't see the value in Andersen spending this time training hardest alongside one of our other centre-backs - only to go through the same process again with Tosin in a few weeks' time. The sooner Parker's preferred pairing build an understanding together, the better.

+1


colinwhite

The trouble is its not about that. Its about getting 3 points against sheffield utd. One game at a time and all that. He will pick the team he thinks is best suited for the task.

hovewhite

To the OP I have the same reservation about this lad but 2million he's with the risk.

HillingdonFFC

Quote from: Arthur on October 09, 2020, 09:36:56 PM
Adarabioyo may not have played in the P.L. but he'll have come up against Ageuro, Jesus, Sterling etc. in training. I don't think he'd be overawed at the prospect of marking Eddie McGoldrick.

Whomever we pair with Andersen against Sheffield, it will be a partnership with less than two weeks' practice together. Assuming Parker considers Adarabioyo to be starting material, I don't see the value in Andersen spending this time training hardest alongside one of our other centre-backs - only to go through the same process again with Tosin in a few weeks' time. The sooner Parker's preferred pairing build an understanding together, the better.





I'd be worried if he was overawed at the prospect of marking Eddie McGoldrick, even I wouldn't,  he's 55😉


Arthur

Quote from: HillingdonFFC on October 11, 2020, 08:16:45 AM
I'd be worried if he was overawed at the prospect of marking Eddie McGoldrick, even I wouldn't,  he's 55😉

Indeed.

And hopefully marking David McGoldrick does not seem too daunting either.  :005:


The Rational Fan

#36
Quote from: Statto on October 09, 2020, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on October 09, 2020, 08:06:31 PM
Ream has been far better than Hector this season, for starters

Quote from: Twig on October 09, 2020, 09:03:14 PM
Whatever you may say, he's been our best CB thus far over this brief season.

Objectively no he hasn't done any better, they've been equally poor. Ream is just perceived to have done better by some, because we had such low expectations of Ream and high expectations Hector.

So all his "PL experience" (one season in one of the worst defences in PL history) hasn't really helped

Ream maybe our best centre back this season, but if that is the case then short-term we are going down and need to perform some inspired long-term planning.  My suggestion is the first half of the season is a disaster, we should just clean out the "older zero book value" players (including Odoi and Ream) now and start building teamwork for next season in the championship and premier league the season after. Adarabioyo seems ideal made for being part of a long-term solid centre-back partnership.

AJW48361

Regarding Tosin little concerned City would sell him! City themselves not over blessed with C/Hs do they consider him not premier league level?


WestSussexWhite

Quote from: AJW48361 on October 12, 2020, 09:09:25 AM
Regarding Tosin little concerned City would sell him! City themselves not over blessed with C/Hs do they consider him not premier league level?

He wouldn't sign a new deal, so they've cut their losses and sold him rather than him leave for nothing. He wanted first team football but City can't guarantee him that