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V A R...is anyone else sick of it.?

Started by jarv, November 08, 2020, 02:32:04 PM

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jarv

I believe var is ruining football.  The referee and in particular the linesmen, appear to not know what they are expected to do. Reindeer in the headlights look.

Already this weekend...west ham goal against Fulham, disgraceful decision.

Just watching leicester v wolves...handball, player gets the ball smashed against him from 2 feet away.  VAR, penalty. Commentator even said "I dont know what is handball and what isnt any more.

Why not send the players out now with hands tied behind their back?

Many of us on here have played, un-natural position? My feeling is too many referees just dont know because they have never played the game. Anyone else feel the same as me.

Jamie88

Absolutely, it is becoming more and more farcical by the week.
The offsides are another joke. Bamford has a perfectly good goal ruled out for offside for pointing, and we don't even get a review after West Ham's goal

St Eve

If Leceister get a penalty why didn't we against W Brom?


Lyle from Hangeland

Quote from: jarv on November 08, 2020, 02:32:04 PM
I believe var is ruining football.  The referee and in particular the linesmen, appear to not know what they are expected to do. Reindeer in the headlights look.

Already this weekend...west ham goal against Fulham, disgraceful decision.

Just watching leicester v wolves...handball, player gets the ball smashed against him from 2 feet away.  VAR, penalty. Commentator even said "I dont know what is handball and what isnt any more.

Why not send the players out now with hands tied behind their back?

Many of us on here have played, un-natural position? My feeling is too many referees just dont know because they have never played the game. Anyone else feel the same as me.

No, VAR is great. The rules can be adjusted to make more sense though... like with Bamford's offside yesterday. The arm shouldn't count as being offside.

Sgt Fulham

In the past I used to come home fuming after watching a poor decision go against us. Then I would watch the replay on TV and see that it was in fact correct, or marginal. Very rarely was it a clear and obvious error. Now it is multiple times a week that we are getting ridiculous decisions. They are holding football hostage. They need to either remove it or figure out a way to use it without ruining the game. As per the title I am sick of it.

jarv

sorry, var is not great. Well intended but compounds the problems.  Yes agree, rules need to be clear. Offside...clear gap between players (like west ham non decision offside yesterday) and hand to ball not ball to hand.   VAR Too much time taken by referees, they should get time to view it twice (about 20 seconds) and slow motion should not be used. It totally distorts the real time action and makes it look much worse than the problem is.


bill taylors apprentice

Goal line tech is great.
VAR causes unnecessary outrage again and again and I would dump it.

But if it's kept, maybe it would be easier if each team had 2 reviews in the game.
This would keep the decision making in the ground and if a team felt hard done by they ask the ref to reconsider.

Or

Just let the lineman deal with offside in the old fashioned way and VAR just deals with penalty decisions.

bobby01

I personally dislike var, or more probably the way it is interpreted. However, var yesterday was not used for the spam goal and it should have been, but, even though the ref was right next to the Cairney penalty foul he was happy to play on and var brought him back..I think the problem is not so much var but the way it is being interpreted, as previous posters say offside should be a clear decision not the hairs on your arm, and handball should be hand to ball.
Another thing yesterday was Mitro was booked for reacting to what I thought was a sly kick from ogbonna, another thing var could have looked at. It does seem recently that they are making up what they look at as they go along.
Watching the ups and downs since 1958, wouldn't have it any other way, what a roller coaster of a club.

Statto

Have to agree with the OP

I've seen games ruined by bad decisions before, and can sympathise with the desire to want to cut that out

But VAR hasn't improved decision-making at all. It seems to have made those terrible, match-ruining clangers even more common.

Not a bad idea in theory but the implementation of it has been woeful


Bocanegra

I don't get why they haven't implemented some technology that pauses the clock whenever the ball goes out of play, the referee blows or there is a substitution.

Seems a much more reasonable use of the tech we have and solves an actual problem (rife time-wasting in games).

bog

Whatever happens it is still the human eye that views and a person's opinion to the final decision. Just have it for the ball over the line and get on with it.


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Mr K.Dilkington

it's been extremely poorly handled/introduced but no surprise from the governing bodies of football
Foolish ham


FFCBadger

It seems VAR has enabled people with rule books to have too much influence on whether the game is an enjoyable one to watch or not. Yes you may be able to score with the top of your arm but could Bamford score using the top of his arm from the place where he was when he was called offside? no

I still dont understand how the West Ham goal should stand based on their striker interfering with play which then lead to their goal. And I'm concerned that due to VAR, referees are now paying less attention to situations like this as they assume VAR will spot stuff like this when there have been times they just dont!

Case in point, Ada's foul against a WBA player in the penalty area in the first half which was OK whereas Mitro's similar high foot in the game before is picked up and given by VAR as a foul and they get a penalty decision.

If it is 'By The Letter Of The Law' then just give it all to robots and AI and be done with it? That will be the death of the game but at this stage who cares...

Lewes White

The technology is not the problem...its the tossers making the decisions...!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬

Southcoastffc

SPORT says the referee is the sole arbiter of the game.  BUSINESS says factual happenings determine the game. VAR and its interpretation comes from a poor attempt to achieve the 2nd approach.
The world is made up of electrons, protons, neurons, possibly muons and, definitely, morons.


_Putney_

i tried to be for it. can't do it anymore, think its awful. not just in england either

KJS

Totally ruining football I for one will not pay to go to any matches in person whilst this is in the game in its current form🙄🙄

Plodder

Forgive me for sounding like "I told you so", but I never wanted VAR in the first place for all the reasons now being aired.  If it is here to stay, it should be used as the original intention was in tennis and cricket when it was first introduced - to overturn a clear and obvious howler.  But as we have seen in other sports, the parameters creep, and VAR becomes a virtual referee or umpire which overrules the official(s) on the field. Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle. VAR was well intentioned, but many people just did not think it through properly, and lots of those clamouring for it to be introduced are now clamouring for it to be taken away.


Caedal

Feels like there is a penalty given in every single game at the moment, sometimes multiple. The handball rule is now an absolute joke. I've always said it should be used on a challenge basis bit like NFL. 2 a game or something per team.

Twig

I'm not against VAR but I'm heartily sick of those who apply it. And as for the joke when it is suggested to a ref that he take a look at the touchline replay... well we all know it's pathetic window dressing.  Put the ref in charge is my view, give the ref free rein to check VAR when he wants to and sack the numpties at Shockley Park. VAR should be a referee's aid pure and simple.