Can the Cottage be moved?

[Jimsbeerbelly]

Not that I'd want it to, but, if the Khan's wanted to redevelop the rest of Craven Cottage, and make full us of the space, can the cottage be dismantled brick by brick, and moved to a different part of the ground? Understand it's listed, but, to what extent?

I know with Fayed's plans to re-develop Craven Cottage, he was going to build over the original structure of the JH stand, which got around that side of things, but, wondered if it was possible to move the Cottage, or whether it has to remain where it is under it's original listing.

Thanks

[gang]

You would need permission from the Council but would be unlikely to get it.

[john dempsey]

Grease enough palms and you can get anything

[Radiowhite]

I think it should stay as it is forever

[mrmicawbers]

Nah.No need.

[H4usuallysitting]

The way our ground is growing we'll soon be playing in Putney

[paulbrookersmazydribbles]

It is a Grade II listed building, so no.

[Cutler]

Sadly the cottage is not listed, it is only the facade of Stevenage Road.

[Southcoastffc]

Sadly the cottage is not listed, it is only the facade of Stevenage Road.

The Johnny Haynes Stand and Cottage remain among the finest examples of Archibald Leitch's work and both have been designated as Grade II listed buildings.    (From the  club  site)

[Statto]

I believe the Cottage itself is listed, not only the stand

https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1358582

And I'm no expert in this area but I would bet my left ball that no, you cannot move and reassemble a listed building. No chance.

[fulhamben]

hasnt the cottage already moved. dindt it roughly used to be where the half way line is or have i just totally made that up

[Jamie88]

hasnt the cottage already moved. dindt it roughly used to be where the half way line is or have i just totally made that up

The original cottage was around the half way line, but had burned down years before any football was played there. They started playing there in 1896 and the current cottage was built in 1905.

[fulhamben]

hasnt the cottage already moved. dindt it roughly used to be where the half way line is or have i just totally made that up

The original cottage was around the half way line, but had burned down years before any football was played there. They started playing there in 1896 and the current cottage was built in 1905.

thanks

[rebel]

Not that I'd want it to, but, if the Khan's wanted to redevelop the rest of Craven Cottage, and make full us of the space, can the cottage be dismantled brick by brick, and moved to a different part of the ground? Understand it's listed, but, to what extent?

I know with Fayed's plans to re-develop Craven Cottage, he was going to build over the original structure of the JH stand, which got around that side of things, but, wondered if it was possible to move the Cottage, or whether it has to remain where it is under it's original listing.

Thanks

Technical it is possible to move it 'brick by brick', but with what has been spent on buying a bit of the Thames and stand redevelopment, it won't happen.

[flyingfish]

Boring post coming up from a development professional who specialises in listed buildings.... 092.gif

Both the cottage and the JH stand are separately listed. A listing covers the whole building and everything attached to the building. 'It's only the facade that's listed' is a myth repeated about all listed buildings by lots of people at some point and is a fundamental misunderstanding of the law around listed buildings. And it is a myth that can land you in prison or cost you an unlimited fine - the whole building inside and out is listed and unauthorised works that need consent are a criminal offence.

However, consent is needed only where the works affect its special architectural or historic character. Changing a modern food kiosk won't do that, changing the roof or the wooden seats for example would, so would need consent. The law is set up so works that 'harm' the special interest of a listed building needs a very very special justification. 'special interest' has a very broad definition, typically.  The harmful side in law and in practice is given a lot weight and councils are very conservative about listed buildings and a raft of case law supports that position.

There is not a chance in hell that the cottage would be severed from the stand and moved - it would be considered all hinds of harmful, to its fabric, setting and historic interest.   There is not a chance in hell that the JH would be demolished or ever allowed to be developed on top of. Maybe years ago, but not nowadays - we have a much broader concept of preservation of special buildings now.

[SP]

Thanks ff, that's really interesting as it's a subject I know nothing about.

[mrmicawbers]

One of the most iconic stadiums in the world is about to be improved by our new stand.It can only be improved by having Cottage and the Johnny Haynes stands they are,with the possibility of Johnny Haynes having an upgrade internally.

[flyingfish]

One of the most iconic stadiums in the world is about to be improved by our new stand.It can only be improved by having Cottage and the Johnny Haynes stands they are,with the possibility of Johnny Haynes having an upgrade internally.

Agreed.

I think the juxtaposition of the new stand (a stunning bit of architecture in my opinion) with the historic setting of the JH stand and the cottage, on the riverside setting will be very very special indeed. I am thrilled and very excited to see it. I expect design awards to be dished out on this one. The Khans have got this one absolutely spot on in my opinion - this is going to be one of the very most attractive and characterful stadiums anywhere, in the whole world. It will become iconic and everyone will want to come and see it.  I don't think we quite realise the impact it will have yet.

I think the whole thing is absolutely thrilling.

[flyingfish]

Thanks ff, that's really interesting as it's a subject I know nothing about.

No problem! I work all day with historic buildings, which is pretty interesting!

[Penfold]

The Cottage and the whole of the Johnny Haynes stand are listed buildings. However, planning permission was granted in 2001 to demolish the Cottage and the majority of the Johnny Haynes stand.

Therefore, there is a precedent for demolition if ever that the club wished to do so. However, can't see the demand for that at present.

Should further works be carried out after the Riverside stand, I'd imagine both the ends would be next on the list.