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The next three games, what will we learn ?

Started by Riversider, May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM

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Riversider

These next three games if Marek Rodak,  Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete,  Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!

MJG

Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak,  Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete,  Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the  22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?
Just the views of a long term fan

Riversider

Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak,  Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete,  Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the  22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?

I've noticed that you've made the same point on Twitter,  and no offence , but it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever,  in your world we  are going to start the first game of next season with eleven players that are going to be good enough to keep us up in The Premier League ! That's never going to happen  and you must know that,
For you to suggest that we dispense with the likes of Reed, Tosin, Rodak, Tete and Robinson because the likes of you are worried about season 22/23 Is bloody ridiculous,
I for one hope we see them all again in August.


MJG

Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:50:43 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak,  Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete,  Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the  22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?

I've noticed that you've made the same point on Twitter,  and no offence , but it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever,  in your world we  are going to start the first game of next season with eleven players that are going to be good enough to keep us up in The Premier League ! That's never going to happen  and you must know that,
For you to suggest that we dispense with the likes of Reed, Tosin, Rodak, Tete and Robinson because the likes of you are worried about season 22/23 Is bloody ridiculous,
I for one hope we see them all again in August.
Where have I said get rid of Reed, Tosin, Rodak, Tete and Robinson?
Just the views of a long term fan

FulhamStu

We will probably not learn anything that we don't already know.  The youngsters are not ready for the Premeir League, virtually none of our play off winning squad are Premier ready and many are miles off.  What we do need to establish is who we think can get us back up again and that starts with off the field discussions now, could we afford or want to sign any of the loan players, could we afford to keep Frank and will he commit to staying. Same for Mitro.  Main question is do we want Parker to lead the charge or not and if so, how is going to get top 2.  This conversation should be with someone who can understand how we will aquire the right players and for starters, someone who can seriously question Parker on how a team playing crab like Parkerball score enough goals.  I very much doubt this person is TONY Khan because how the hell would he know.  This is the problem!

What should happen during the next 3 games is that RLC should watch the game from the stand, Rodak should start, Tete should start.  Depending on the above conversations, Lookman, Andersen, Lemina and Anguissa should be benched and Aina should play next to Tosin.  If Lookman, Lemina or Anguissa say they would be willing to join the fight back then great, start them.  I would put 3 x U23 or U18's on the bench as well and give Bryan a game or two.  I would like Hector to be given minutes if we don't think he is going to make us look even more stupid.

Finally, we should try very hard to score a goal.

WindyCity

Quote from: FulhamStu on May 11, 2021, 04:22:56 PM
What we do need to establish is who we think can get us back up again and that starts with off the field discussions "now"

Three words:

Ain't gonna happen!


Asotosyios

Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak,  Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete,  Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the  22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?

Perhaps not all of them, but I could see Rodak, Tosin and perhaps one of Robinson/Reed with the others as squad players.

I think our squad looks good the Championship (how Parker will utilise it is a different matter) and we only need a few quality additions and not an overhaul. If we get promoted, we can add another 3-4 quality players for the season 22-23 and so on rather than changing 10 players every year. For example, a couple of back-of-the-napkin starting XI for the next two years:

21-22: Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Robinson; Reed, New CM, Cairney; New RW, Cavaleiro, New FW (assuming Mitrovic will say goodbye)
22-23: Rodak; New RB, Tosin, New CB, Robinson; CM (last season), New CM, New AM; RW (last season), New LW, FW (last season)

FulhamStu

Quote from: Asotosyios on May 11, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak,  Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete,  Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the  22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?

Perhaps not all of them, but I could see Rodak, Tosin and perhaps one of Robinson/Reed with the others as squad players.

I think our squad looks good the Championship (how Parker will utilise it is a different matter) and we only need a few quality additions and not an overhaul. If we get promoted, we can add another 3-4 quality players for the season 22-23 and so on rather than changing 10 players every year. For example, a couple of back-of-the-napkin starting XI for the next two years:

21-22: Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Robinson; Reed, New CM, Cairney; New RW, Cavaleiro, New FW (assuming Mitrovic will say goodbye)
22-23: Rodak; New RB, Tosin, New CB, Robinson; CM (last season), New CM, New AM; RW (last season), New LW, FW (last season)

A fit Tete and Kongolo are Premier quality.  It's creative MF and up front that needs serious work.

Bill2

We could not have played any of the youngsters yesterday, they would have been eaten alive by Burnley. I have just watched the 90 on FFCTV and while we all knew what it would be like Burnley were all route 1 and very physical. Thought the ref was poor as Woods and Vydra were backing into Tosin and Anderson all the game with the ref giving them the free kicks, in fact Burnley were pushing shoving and diving the entire game something Coote only recognised in the 2nd half. How did Tarkowski not get a yellow card for his taking out of BDR is a mystery to me.
I am not saying we were perfect but Burnley are the worst footballing side I have seen in the Prem since we went down 18/19, pump it long and wrestle with the defenders.
While it is us who are relegated I would not want to watch Burnley all season.



Bill2

Quote from: FulhamStu on May 11, 2021, 05:40:27 PM
Quote from: Asotosyios on May 11, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak,  Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete,  Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the  22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?

Perhaps not all of them, but I could see Rodak, Tosin and perhaps one of Robinson/Reed with the others as squad players.

I think our squad looks good the Championship (how Parker will utilise it is a different matter) and we only need a few quality additions and not an overhaul. If we get promoted, we can add another 3-4 quality players for the season 22-23 and so on rather than changing 10 players every year. For example, a couple of back-of-the-napkin starting XI for the next two years:

21-22: Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Robinson; Reed, New CM, Cairney; New RW, Cavaleiro, New FW (assuming Mitrovic will say goodbye)
22-23: Rodak; New RB, Tosin, New CB, Robinson; CM (last season), New CM, New AM; RW (last season), New LW, FW (last season)

A fit Tete and Kongolo are Premier quality.  It's creative MF and up front that needs serious work.
Robinson really put a shift in last night and with a better forward/midfield would have made more of an impact. Wouldn't be surprised if a number of clubs are not looking at him and Kenny.

Whitestone

I very much doubt that we'll learn anything that isn't already obvious. The focus on an immediate return begins today.


MJG

#12
Thanks to those who have answered the question. I think we have to look at what we have pkan ahead and say XYZ can do it in the PL starting wise, ABC are ok squad wise. We then have to look for players who can fit into one of those two groups in the knowledge that when we go up,we need maybe 6 or 7 new players. You will always have churn and no one expects squads to stay the same,but you expect planning ahead at the very little.
Just the views of a long term fan

RaySmith

Quote from: Bill2 on May 11, 2021, 06:09:27 PM
We could not have played any of the youngsters yesterday, they would have been eaten alive by Burnley. I have just watched the 90 on FFCTV and while we all knew what it would be like Burnley were all route 1 and very physical. Thought the ref was poor as Woods and Vydra were backing into Tosin and Anderson all the game with the ref giving them the free kicks, in fact Burnley were pushing shoving and diving the entire game something Coote only recognised in the 2nd half. How did Tarkowski not get a yellow card for his taking out of BDR is a mystery to me.
I am not saying we were perfect but Burnley are the worst footballing side I have seen in the Prem since we went down 18/19, pump it long and wrestle with the defenders.
While it is us who are relegated I would not want to watch Burnley all season.

Should have got a pen for the challenge on Cav , and wasn't even reviewed. OK, so the ref seemed to try to even things up by not reviewing what was handball by Areola, but  the decisions definitely seemed to  mostly go  Burnley's way.

They are a physical team, but heir attackers have pace and skill, and know where the goal is. They hit us on the break, caught us out when we were going for it- with plenty of the ball, and quite a few shots on goal, but not looking much like scoring against their defence and keeper.

Whatever we might think their style is effective, and successful at staying in the Prem, which I'm sure their fans find pleasing to watch.

Back to front quickly,  strong running, and  scoring goals, compared with playing  it around, and  rarely threatening  the opposing defence, what would most fans rather see from Fulham?

JoelH5

I was there, standing in the Putney end


davew

Grandson of a Former Director of FFC (served 1954 - 1968)

sunburywhite

Remember you are braver than you believe, stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think.
I will be as good as I can be and when I cross the finishing line I will see what it got me

RaySmith

Not good for youngsters if they receive hammerings.
Magath got rid of most of the experienced players and threw the youngsters in after relegation, and he wasn't very successful.

I think Scott will want to  try and finish  with some decent results, and play a strong team, but Carvalho  may well feature.

We might well play better with the pressure off.


The Rational Fan

Quote from: sunburywhite on May 11, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
Give Carvalho a run out in all 3 games

If he has three terrible games as is most likely, then what happens to him.

Another youth player's career destroyed before he is ready.

S.F.Sorrow

So, more or less what Magath did then? Throw youngsters to the wolves before they're ready and ruin their confidence/career?

I agree we could give some of them a couple of minutes from the bench. Any more than that should wait until pre-season and then gradually introduce them to the starting 11 in the Championship, IF they are good enough. And lets face it, not many of our youngsters are even good enough for the Championship, unless we aim for mid table/survival rather than automatic promotion.