These next three games if Marek Rodak, Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete, Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak, Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete, Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the 22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?
Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak, Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete, Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the 22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?
I've noticed that you've made the same point on Twitter, and no offence , but it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, in your world we are going to start the first game of next season with eleven players that are going to be good enough to keep us up in The Premier League ! That's never going to happen and you must know that,
For you to suggest that we dispense with the likes of Reed, Tosin, Rodak, Tete and Robinson because the likes of you are worried about season 22/23 Is bloody ridiculous,
I for one hope we see them all again in August.
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:50:43 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak, Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete, Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the 22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?
I've noticed that you've made the same point on Twitter, and no offence , but it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, in your world we are going to start the first game of next season with eleven players that are going to be good enough to keep us up in The Premier League ! That's never going to happen and you must know that,
For you to suggest that we dispense with the likes of Reed, Tosin, Rodak, Tete and Robinson because the likes of you are worried about season 22/23 Is bloody ridiculous,
I for one hope we see them all again in August.
Where have I said get rid of Reed, Tosin, Rodak, Tete and Robinson?
We will probably not learn anything that we don't already know. The youngsters are not ready for the Premeir League, virtually none of our play off winning squad are Premier ready and many are miles off. What we do need to establish is who we think can get us back up again and that starts with off the field discussions now, could we afford or want to sign any of the loan players, could we afford to keep Frank and will he commit to staying. Same for Mitro. Main question is do we want Parker to lead the charge or not and if so, how is going to get top 2. This conversation should be with someone who can understand how we will aquire the right players and for starters, someone who can seriously question Parker on how a team playing crab like Parkerball score enough goals. I very much doubt this person is TONY Khan because how the hell would he know. This is the problem!
What should happen during the next 3 games is that RLC should watch the game from the stand, Rodak should start, Tete should start. Depending on the above conversations, Lookman, Andersen, Lemina and Anguissa should be benched and Aina should play next to Tosin. If Lookman, Lemina or Anguissa say they would be willing to join the fight back then great, start them. I would put 3 x U23 or U18's on the bench as well and give Bryan a game or two. I would like Hector to be given minutes if we don't think he is going to make us look even more stupid.
Finally, we should try very hard to score a goal.
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 11, 2021, 04:22:56 PM
What we do need to establish is who we think can get us back up again and that starts with off the field discussions "now"
Three words:
Ain't gonna happen!
Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak, Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete, Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the 22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?
Perhaps not all of them, but I could see Rodak, Tosin and perhaps one of Robinson/Reed with the others as squad players.
I think our squad looks good the Championship (how Parker will utilise it is a different matter) and we only need a few quality additions and not an overhaul. If we get promoted, we can add another 3-4 quality players for the season 22-23 and so on rather than changing 10 players every year. For example, a couple of back-of-the-napkin starting XI for the next two years:
21-22: Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Robinson; Reed, New CM, Cairney; New RW, Cavaleiro, New FW (assuming Mitrovic will say goodbye)
22-23: Rodak; New RB, Tosin, New CB, Robinson; CM (last season), New CM, New AM; RW (last season), New LW, FW (last season)
Quote from: Asotosyios on May 11, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak, Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete, Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the 22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?
Perhaps not all of them, but I could see Rodak, Tosin and perhaps one of Robinson/Reed with the others as squad players.
I think our squad looks good the Championship (how Parker will utilise it is a different matter) and we only need a few quality additions and not an overhaul. If we get promoted, we can add another 3-4 quality players for the season 22-23 and so on rather than changing 10 players every year. For example, a couple of back-of-the-napkin starting XI for the next two years:
21-22: Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Robinson; Reed, New CM, Cairney; New RW, Cavaleiro, New FW (assuming Mitrovic will say goodbye)
22-23: Rodak; New RB, Tosin, New CB, Robinson; CM (last season), New CM, New AM; RW (last season), New LW, FW (last season)
A fit Tete and Kongolo are Premier quality. It's creative MF and up front that needs serious work.
We could not have played any of the youngsters yesterday, they would have been eaten alive by Burnley. I have just watched the 90 on FFCTV and while we all knew what it would be like Burnley were all route 1 and very physical. Thought the ref was poor as Woods and Vydra were backing into Tosin and Anderson all the game with the ref giving them the free kicks, in fact Burnley were pushing shoving and diving the entire game something Coote only recognised in the 2nd half. How did Tarkowski not get a yellow card for his taking out of BDR is a mystery to me.
I am not saying we were perfect but Burnley are the worst footballing side I have seen in the Prem since we went down 18/19, pump it long and wrestle with the defenders.
While it is us who are relegated I would not want to watch Burnley all season.
Nothing
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 11, 2021, 05:40:27 PM
Quote from: Asotosyios on May 11, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak, Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete, Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the 22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?
Perhaps not all of them, but I could see Rodak, Tosin and perhaps one of Robinson/Reed with the others as squad players.
I think our squad looks good the Championship (how Parker will utilise it is a different matter) and we only need a few quality additions and not an overhaul. If we get promoted, we can add another 3-4 quality players for the season 22-23 and so on rather than changing 10 players every year. For example, a couple of back-of-the-napkin starting XI for the next two years:
21-22: Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Robinson; Reed, New CM, Cairney; New RW, Cavaleiro, New FW (assuming Mitrovic will say goodbye)
22-23: Rodak; New RB, Tosin, New CB, Robinson; CM (last season), New CM, New AM; RW (last season), New LW, FW (last season)
A fit Tete and Kongolo are Premier quality. It's creative MF and up front that needs serious work.
Robinson really put a shift in last night and with a better forward/midfield would have made more of an impact. Wouldn't be surprised if a number of clubs are not looking at him and Kenny.
I very much doubt that we'll learn anything that isn't already obvious. The focus on an immediate return begins today.
Thanks to those who have answered the question. I think we have to look at what we have pkan ahead and say XYZ can do it in the PL starting wise, ABC are ok squad wise. We then have to look for players who can fit into one of those two groups in the knowledge that when we go up,we need maybe 6 or 7 new players. You will always have churn and no one expects squads to stay the same,but you expect planning ahead at the very little.
Quote from: Bill2 on May 11, 2021, 06:09:27 PM
We could not have played any of the youngsters yesterday, they would have been eaten alive by Burnley. I have just watched the 90 on FFCTV and while we all knew what it would be like Burnley were all route 1 and very physical. Thought the ref was poor as Woods and Vydra were backing into Tosin and Anderson all the game with the ref giving them the free kicks, in fact Burnley were pushing shoving and diving the entire game something Coote only recognised in the 2nd half. How did Tarkowski not get a yellow card for his taking out of BDR is a mystery to me.
I am not saying we were perfect but Burnley are the worst footballing side I have seen in the Prem since we went down 18/19, pump it long and wrestle with the defenders.
While it is us who are relegated I would not want to watch Burnley all season.
Should have got a pen for the challenge on Cav , and wasn't even reviewed. OK, so the ref seemed to try to even things up by not reviewing what was handball by Areola, but the decisions definitely seemed to mostly go Burnley's way.
They are a physical team, but heir attackers have pace and skill, and know where the goal is. They hit us on the break, caught us out when we were going for it- with plenty of the ball, and quite a few shots on goal, but not looking much like scoring against their defence and keeper.
Whatever we might think their style is effective, and successful at staying in the Prem, which I'm sure their fans find pleasing to watch.
Back to front quickly, strong running, and scoring goals, compared with playing it around, and rarely threatening the opposing defence, what would most fans rather see from Fulham?
Nothing probably
Give Carvalho a run out in all 3 games
Not good for youngsters if they receive hammerings.
Magath got rid of most of the experienced players and threw the youngsters in after relegation, and he wasn't very successful.
I think Scott will want to try and finish with some decent results, and play a strong team, but Carvalho may well feature.
We might well play better with the pressure off.
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 11, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
Give Carvalho a run out in all 3 games
If he has three terrible games as is most likely, then what happens to him.
Another youth player's career destroyed before he is ready.
So, more or less what Magath did then? Throw youngsters to the wolves before they're ready and ruin their confidence/career?
I agree we could give some of them a couple of minutes from the bench. Any more than that should wait until pre-season and then gradually introduce them to the starting 11 in the Championship, IF they are good enough. And lets face it, not many of our youngsters are even good enough for the Championship, unless we aim for mid table/survival rather than automatic promotion.
Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 07:31:33 PM
Thanks to those who have answered the question. I think we have to look at what we have pkan ahead and say XYZ can do it in the PL starting wise, ABC are ok squad wise. We then have to look for players who can fit into one of those two groups in the knowledge that when we go up,we need maybe 6 or 7 new players. You will always have churn and no one expects squads to stay the same,but you expect planning ahead at the very little.
The big difference between going down this time and last is I believe last time we had 3 players who could make the step up in Rodak, Reed and Mitro and Anguissa to return, whereas this time if we have Rodak, Reed, Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Robinson and Mitro Anguissa both of course who could leave. This is far more Premier ready permanent players. If we signed just 2 key players this close season say attacking midfield or winger and striker who had the potential to play in the Premiership we would need far less of a turn over if we got Promoted again. We also have to consider Parker, if he stays he will be 2 more years experienced, if he goes, we need a manager who is much more Premiership ready. Finally the DOF will have 2 more years with a Director of scouting or he will have been replaced which may happen via the Director of scouting, all scenarios mean we are better placed than this time round.
I think if you explain to the youngsters why they are being played in a game the manager can take the pressure off, it can be a good idea. Many youngsters are featured in FA cup games with no obvious long term problems.
For those of you who have played football or indeed any form of work where you are moved up the food chain, do you not remember being slightly stressed and having to adapt to the situation by learning on the job until you understood your position. It is a natural progression until you find the level at which you can no longer move any further forward. For me I would start looking at the realistic players we will have next season.
Some of the Championship will be strong and physical, others well organised and some pretty dire. As we have found to our cost this season every game is important, yes even the first eight! Lets be ready this time, with a team that contains our players ready to compete for our club and some of those players ready to move seamlessly into the Premiership the following season.
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright
Come on you Super Whites !!
I might ask to have some of whatever your on, but I am happier having my feet on the ground. The future is unknown and always is both short, medium and long term. A good starting place for any of us is solid ground, a foundation that can stand a decent house being built upon it. We have not had that once under the Khans and it will not stop until they get their act together and stop making errors of judgement.
We will learn NOTHING, he will continue with the same team and the same defensive parker ball tactics.
For me, win the next three, show something that's been missing in the last 7 / 8 matches. They have nothing to lose now. Go for it.
Quote from: toshes mate on May 12, 2021, 09:28:35 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright
Come on you Super Whites !!
I might ask to have some of whatever your on, but I am happier having my feet on the ground. The future is unknown and always is both short, medium and long term. A good starting place for any of us is solid ground, a foundation that can stand a decent house being built upon it. We have not had that once under the Khans and it will not stop until they get their act together and stop making errors of judgement.
Anybody that honestly believes that the Khan's have constructed that magnificent new Riverside Stand to then just wallow in the lower leagues needs to give their head a shake,
That stand has been built to house Premier League football and not the likes of Blackburn and QPR ,
We will be back sooner rather than later, you wait and see 👀
Quote from: blingo on May 12, 2021, 09:31:59 AM
We will learn NOTHING, he will continue with the same team and the same defensive parker ball tactics.
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I was just going to write similar, nothing will change.
Quote from: bobby01 on May 12, 2021, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: blingo on May 12, 2021, 09:31:59 AM
We will learn NOTHING, he will continue with the same team and the same defensive parker ball tactics.
.
I was just going to write similar, nothing will change.
Unfortunately I agree.
We'll be lucky to even see Carvalho get a token 5 minute cameo
Quote from: Bill2 on May 11, 2021, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 11, 2021, 05:40:27 PM
Quote from: Asotosyios on May 11, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 11, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
These next three games if Marek Rodak, Fabio Carvalho and Sylvester Jasper aren't the first three the first three names on the team sheet then I'd suggest that mistakes are still being made ,
Those three players are the future of Fulham Football Club and its time we showed them how appreciative we are of them ,
And yes I know Rodak has been injured,
Those three plus Tosin, Tete, Robinson, Reed and at a push one or two others and we've got a half decent base to build on next season ,
Despite all the doom and gloom on here I actually think the future is quite bright ,
Come on you Super Whites !!
Question, if we started the 22-23 season in the PL and we had Rodak, Tosin, Tete, Robinson and Reed in the starting XI in the first game of the PL season are they good enough that they should be 5 main stays of the team that could stay up that season?
Perhaps not all of them, but I could see Rodak, Tosin and perhaps one of Robinson/Reed with the others as squad players.
I think our squad looks good the Championship (how Parker will utilise it is a different matter) and we only need a few quality additions and not an overhaul. If we get promoted, we can add another 3-4 quality players for the season 22-23 and so on rather than changing 10 players every year. For example, a couple of back-of-the-napkin starting XI for the next two years:
21-22: Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Robinson; Reed, New CM, Cairney; New RW, Cavaleiro, New FW (assuming Mitrovic will say goodbye)
22-23: Rodak; New RB, Tosin, New CB, Robinson; CM (last season), New CM, New AM; RW (last season), New LW, FW (last season)
A fit Tete and Kongolo are Premier quality. It's creative MF and up front that needs serious work.
Robinson really put a shift in last night and with a better forward/midfield would have made more of an impact. Wouldn't be surprised if a number of clubs are not looking at him and Kenny.
Agree both looked good as they have all season. They were both signed this season so if they are wanted by other clubs we do not have to sell so can command a good fee which should keep some of the predators at bay.
Quote from: rebel on May 12, 2021, 09:41:49 AM
For me, win the next three, show something that's been missing in the last 7 / 8 matches. They have nothing to lose now. Go for it.
Meh....As much as I always want to see FFC win anytime they're on the pitch, quite frankly, at this point, it just doesn't matter. Can't get excited nor interested at all in these last three games, and really don't care what the results are.....
Quote from: Riversider on May 12, 2021, 02:52:28 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on May 12, 2021, 09:28:35 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 11, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
Anybody that honestly believes that the Khan's have constructed that magnificent new Riverside Stand to then just wallow in the lower leagues needs to give their head a shake,
That stand has been built to house Premier League football and not the likes of Blackburn and QPR ,
We will be back sooner rather than later, you wait and see 👀
Absolutely hope you're right!! That said, I think FFC is gonna have a rough go of it next season. What Khan built and desires has nothing to do with results on the pitch and the way this club has been managed during his tenure.
3 pointless dead rubbers = absolutely nothing learned
