Shahid steps in and

[Lighthouse]

We all have a tendency to look at the final result and blame someone if it didn't work. TK made some good buys and loans and many that failed. I don't think we can just keep on blaming him for everything that went wrong.

While pleased to believe the reports he is stepping away. The system clearly didn't work very well. We have to admit it did work up to a point but could be improved and hopefully will be. But like our habit of attacking fellow fans for holding a view instead of debating it. Just chucking all our frustration onto one person at Fulham simply isn't fair. The system and many of those on and off the pitch didn't make things work. That is why a wholesale change will only be a good thing.

Unless it actually turns out worse. Isn't life fun.

[mrmicawbers]

We have a better squad than when we last got relegated so an improvement there.Younger squad too.We should be able to get automatic promotion with the right manager.This would let us get in the transfer market earlier which could really benefit us to hopefully stay up.Hope the Khan's stay long enough to see us get back into Europe.There's a lot worse owner's out there and I think they take way to much flak.

[Woolly Mammoth]

.....TK has a lot to answer for.

My Sympathy

I can understand if some fans think our Chairman made a mistake appointing a part-time DOF with zero football experience that lives in the USA, but the appointment of the DOF is 100% the decision of the Chairman/Owner. SK may have a lot to answer for, a DOF without much football knowledge is an experiment with an unknown outcome.

Who is Responisble?

If you have a problem with the appointment of the DOF, then you have a problem with Shahid Khan and only Shahid Khan, because he is the one that decided to get "The Khan Family more involved with Football Decisions" by appointing one of his family in the DOF role (i.e. not Tony Khan's decision).

How truth is manipulated?

The "praising of Shahid Khan" and "criticism of Tony Khan" is clearly an attempt by the ex-footballers media machine and some fans to get "Shahid Khan's money" and get "The Khan's Family influence out of Football Decisions" then get the money to the Ex-Footballers making the decisions.

Somehow the "ex-footballers media machine" has convinced many fans that ex-footballers as DOFs make better decisions, but the evidence poor and is largely fabricated. Financial Evidence for the 2018/19 season (Tony Khan's worst season) shows that Bournemouth spent £40m more than Fulham over the 18/19 season, yet the "ex-footballers media machine" never mention it, probably because "ex-footballers" have no interest in making the case against their friends.

Fans are incorrect in "unfairly criticizing Tony Khan" for getting involved in football decisions and "unfairly praising Shahid Khan" even though SK was the one deciding to get 'The Khan Family involved in football decision". All signs are that Shahid Khan is not falling for these lies and every attack on his son is seen as an attack on his decision to appoint Tony Khan as DOF.

What happens when fans attack the DOF?

Every time we criticize Tony Khan we are also criticizing the Chairman that appointed him and the players that the DOF appointed, which is near all the players. My point is fans cannot perform a surgery on the club hoping that they can remove "The Khan family from football decisions" by removing Tony Khan without attacking Shahid Khan who made and is still making that decision.

Where will our current path lead?

Fans should be honest having the guts to say what they really believe "Shahid Khan gives us your money, get The Khan family out of football decisions, let the ex-footballers running the club demand whatever money they want, if they fail to hire new ex-footballer that will demand more money and never ever expect any of your money back".

After fans telling what they want they should just wait until Shahid Khan thinks either "he can behind such a suggestion" or "go to hell".

Where I differ from what most people here is I believe the latter response "Shahid Khan think go to Hell" is both likely and could have very bad effects with both "Fans feelings towards Shahid Khan" and "Shahid Khan's feeling towards fans", such as breakdown of a relationship could have effects beyond the original debate that are negative on FFC.

In other words, rather than "creating a revolution at the club to overthrow the DOF", we may be better off as we are, that is struggling slowly up the list of yo-yo clubs with our current DOF than trying to and at the same time maintain the SK's funding.

As you are a self appointed authority on the ethos of the Chairmans sons incompetence inefficiency and negligence and manner which has damaged the reputation of Fulham FC in the football community, even though you conveniently overlook the obvious to suit your own narrative.
I propose that for the sake of the future welfare of Fulham FC. Assuming you do not already live in cartoon land, you visit toxic TK and seeing as you are an authority on what is best for Fulham, give him a piece of your mind and confirm to him that he is doing a dog end of a job as D of F and to flush his inflated ego down the toilet and move away from D of F.
Seeing as you are his number one fan i am convinced he will listen to you, and do not return until he accepts what a pants job he has done and throws you the keys.
He needs to get back in his lane as he is being overtaken.
If he still argues the toss, tell him he is not a vegan because he loves animals, he is a vegan because he hates plants.
If he still refuses to see sense say to him just because he puts his head in the oven does not mean everyone else has to.
You can also advise him that once he understands how the wheel works he can then move onto the washing machine.
Let me know how you get on.

[blingo]

You made me laugh Mr Woolly.

[keithh]

I do not post very often but for me this forum with it's wide breadth of views is actually informative. Long may it continue.

[Pluto]

Not a popular view but I think TK redeemed himself to an extent at the end of the last summer window. He secured some excellent players - two of them world class in Andersen and Areola, three valuable contributors on loan on Aina, Lemina and Lookman. Plus he was able to secure Tete and Tosin for bargain prices. Tosin in particular should have cost £15-£20 million, and TK got him for 2. Appreciate he should have moved earlier, but you can't say he didn't get some decent players in.

Obviously on balance and given how unpopular he is inside and outside the club, it's a good thing that he's stepping back; but I wouldn't have been too upset had he been given a final chance this summer. Much more important that we saw the back of Parker and his negative football.

[Statto]

If you look at the signings we made under Rigg and assume TK wasn't in control, his departure is perhaps truly a sliding doors moment for us. Cairney, Ayite, Aluko, KMac, Ream, Kalas and Piazon on loan. Only big miss was Sigurdsson.

16/17 signings Ayite, Aluko, Kalas, Piazon were all TK not Rigg I believe. Which is why so many were expensive and foreign and there were the big misses, not only Sigurdsson but also Jozabed and Kebano (big money and at the time very poor)

[ALG01]

Let's bring some calm into this or there'll be people on here booking hotel rooms lol. At the end we are all entitled to voice our opinions. Whether or not we agree with them makes no difference. Let's agree to disagree, at the end of the day we are all Fulham.
Fwiw, TK has a lot to answer for.

Blingo, I agree with you but I am not yet booking hotel rooms because of the situation in the world at large but can dream of being on a beach or country walk somehere distant.

As I am sure you know I do like 'a debate' but grow weary of 'my fans' that try to wind me up. However, despite having to tell them off every so often i keep a smile on my face and remind myself we are all fulham fans and think back to rodney mac in carlise and the great day out I had there. :wine:  082.gif

[ALG01]

You made me laugh Mr Woolly.

I totally agree. When Wooly is on form he is on form!!!

[Denver Fulham]

Shahid has repeatedly put his money where his mouth is for this club. We're really fortunate to have him as an owner.

As for Tony, there are obvious and fair criticisms of some of his work, but it's inarguable that the club is in a better spot now than when he formally took over recruitment after two terrible seasons in the Championship. I don't see why this is so hard to accept for many on here.

[The Rock]

.....TK has a lot to answer for.

My Sympathy

I can understand if some fans think our Chairman made a mistake appointing a part-time DOF with zero football experience that lives in the USA, but the appointment of the DOF is 100% the decision of the Chairman/Owner. SK may have a lot to answer for, a DOF without much football knowledge is an experiment with an unknown outcome.

Who is Responisble?

If you have a problem with the appointment of the DOF, then you have a problem with Shahid Khan and only Shahid Khan, because he is the one that decided to get "The Khan Family more involved with Football Decisions" by appointing one of his family in the DOF role (i.e. not Tony Khan's decision).

How truth is manipulated?

The "praising of Shahid Khan" and "criticism of Tony Khan" is clearly an attempt by the ex-footballers media machine and some fans to get "Shahid Khan's money" and get "The Khan's Family influence out of Football Decisions" then get the money to the Ex-Footballers making the decisions.

Somehow the "ex-footballers media machine" has convinced many fans that ex-footballers as DOFs make better decisions, but the evidence poor and is largely fabricated. Financial Evidence for the 2018/19 season (Tony Khan's worst season) shows that Bournemouth spent £40m more than Fulham over the 18/19 season, yet the "ex-footballers media machine" never mention it, probably because "ex-footballers" have no interest in making the case against their friends.

Fans are incorrect in "unfairly criticizing Tony Khan" for getting involved in football decisions and "unfairly praising Shahid Khan" even though SK was the one deciding to get 'The Khan Family involved in football decision". All signs are that Shahid Khan is not falling for these lies and every attack on his son is seen as an attack on his decision to appoint Tony Khan as DOF.

What happens when fans attack the DOF?

Every time we criticize Tony Khan we are also criticizing the Chairman that appointed him and the players that the DOF appointed, which is near all the players. My point is fans cannot perform a surgery on the club hoping that they can remove "The Khan family from football decisions" by removing Tony Khan without attacking Shahid Khan who made and is still making that decision.

Where will our current path lead?

Fans should be honest having the guts to say what they really believe "Shahid Khan gives us your money, get The Khan family out of football decisions, let the ex-footballers running the club demand whatever money they want, if they fail to hire new ex-footballer that will demand more money and never ever expect any of your money back".

After fans telling what they want they should just wait until Shahid Khan thinks either "he can behind such a suggestion" or "go to hell".

Where I differ from what most people here is I believe the latter response "Shahid Khan think go to Hell" is both likely and could have very bad effects with both "Fans feelings towards Shahid Khan" and "Shahid Khan's feeling towards fans", such as breakdown of a relationship could have effects beyond the original debate that are negative on FFC.

In other words, rather than "creating a revolution at the club to overthrow the DOF", we may be better off as we are, that is struggling slowly up the list of yo-yo clubs with our current DOF than trying to and at the same time maintain the SK's funding.

As you are a self appointed authority on the ethos of the Chairmans sons incompetence inefficiency and negligence and manner which has damaged the reputation of Fulham FC in the football community, even though you conveniently overlook the obvious to suit your own narrative.
I propose that for the sake of the future welfare of Fulham FC. Assuming you do not already live in cartoon land, you visit toxic TK and seeing as you are an authority on what is best for Fulham, give him a piece of your mind and confirm to him that he is doing a dog end of a job as D of F and to flush his inflated ego down the toilet and move away from D of F.
Seeing as you are his number one fan i am convinced he will listen to you, and do not return until he accepts what a pants job he has done and throws you the keys.
He needs to get back in his lane as he is being overtaken.
If he still argues the toss, tell him he is not a vegan because he loves animals, he is a vegan because he hates plants.
If he still refuses to see sense say to him just because he puts his head in the oven does not mean everyone else has to.
You can also advise him that once he understands how the wheel works he can then move onto the washing machine.
Let me know how you get on.

Sabretooth hero of reason 1 - 0 Kid on Tony Khan's payroll.

Let us know how you get on kid.

[ALG01]

Shahid has repeatedly put his money where his mouth is for this club. We're really fortunate to have him as an owner.

As for Tony, there are obvious and fair criticisms of some of his work, but it's inarguable that the club is in a better spot now than when he formally took over recruitment after two terrible seasons in the Championship. I don't see why this is so hard to accept for many on here.

Sorry to disagree and at the risk of upsetting my stalkers that tend not to like me repeating myself quite so often...

Shaid does put in a lot of money and that has never been an issue. What is at issue in his case is why he does it because his management of the club is shambolic. We have experienced three unnecessary relegations as a direc t result of his couldn't care less hands off approach. And whilst he does invest, I wish I had that much money to flush down the pan. If I make one mistalke, hoipefully i learn and come back and do it better but he just repeats the errors.

Shaid's biggest error is to install his son in a position he is suplremely unsuited. The post is a specialist post requiring experience and in depth knowledge and as a minimum requirement full time attendance with no other distractions. TK would not get a job anywjhere else as DoF and even if he did woiuld have been sacked years ago for gross incompetence. After three relegations in such a short time plus two flirtations with league one we are in a way worse position than when they took over. 7 managers in such a short space of time and only one any good and TK totally sabotaged him. Between them we have turned from a succesful established premiership team to a, well to be honest it's hard to sdescribve.  What we are not is likely to be succesful if we simply carry on as we are and the truth is until TK is removed from post we can be sure Shahid is not seriou abourt team affairs,

[The Rational Fan]

TK would not get a job anywjhere else as DoF.

Of course, Tony Khan wouldn't get a job at another club, but Shahid Khan trust TK and hence will give him £££.

When Shahid Khan took over the club, he said he was investing because he thinks that he can do better than we have done before, by running this club differently from other clubs. The current arrangement of employing "a statistics and finance guy part-time with little knowledge of football ", definitely meets "doing things differently to everyone else".

In contrast, it seems your proposal of "employing a professional that knows football" is clearly what most other clubs do and doesn't meet the criteria for Shahid Khan's investment.

I would like to stand corrected, but
i) how does your proposal meet Shahid Khan's criteria (i.e. having a different approach to football) for investment?
ii) if we get a new DOF, then is this club in a good enough position to get promoted within the next two seasons?
iii) if both parachute payments end and additional owner investment end (like at Sheffield Wednesday), how do we suggest we stay in the top two leagues of English Football?

The alternative of a "DOF without football knowledge" backed by a dad with huge money doesn't seem so bad.

[Deeping_white]

TK would not get a job anywjhere else as DoF.

When Shahid Khan took over the club, he said he was investing because he thinks that he can do better than we have done before, by running this club differently from other clubs. The current arrangement of employing "a statistics and finance guy part-time with little knowledge of football ", definitely meets "doing things differently to everyone else" that Shahid Khan has committed to investing.

In contrast, it seems your proposal of "employing a professional that knows football" is clearly what most other clubs do and doesn't meet the criteria for Shahid Khan's investment.

I would like to stand corrected, but
i) how does your proposal meet Shahid Khan's criteria (i.e. having a different approach to football) for investment?
ii) if we get a new DOF, then is this club in a good enough position to get promoted within the next two seasons?
iii) if both parachute payments end and additional owner investment end (like at Sheffield Wednesday), how do we suggest we stay in the top two leagues of English Football?

The alternative of a "DOF without football knowledge" backed by a dad with huge money doesn't seem so bad.

Genuine question but why do you base all of your scenarios around the concept that SK wouldn't invest if TK wasn't DoF? What's to say he puts someone like Javi Pereira and someone else with a stats background in charge of recruitment full time, that use a similar model but refine it to produce a better outcome? That way we're "doing it different" but it doesn't involve Tony. He's not the centre of the universe and at some point SK is probably going to look at Tony as a poor barometer of success when it comes to investing because he's got us up twice but also got us relegated twice so there 0 net improvement.

[The Rational Fan]

TK would not get a job anywjhere else as DoF.

When Shahid Khan took over the club, he said he was investing because he thinks that he can do better than we have done before, by running this club differently from other clubs. The current arrangement of employing "a statistics and finance guy part-time with little knowledge of football ", definitely meets "doing things differently to everyone else" that Shahid Khan has committed to investing.

In contrast, it seems your proposal of "employing a professional that knows football" is clearly what most other clubs do and doesn't meet the criteria for Shahid Khan's investment.

I would like to stand corrected, but
i) how does your proposal meet Shahid Khan's criteria (i.e. having a different approach to football) for investment?
ii) if we get a new DOF, then is this club in a good enough position to get promoted within the next two seasons?
iii) if both parachute payments end and additional owner investment end (like at Sheffield Wednesday), how do we suggest we stay in the top two leagues of English Football?

The alternative of a "DOF without football knowledge" backed by a dad with huge money doesn't seem so bad.

Genuine question but why do you base all of your scenarios around the concept that SK wouldn't invest if TK wasn't DoF? What's to say he puts someone like Javi Pereira and someone else with a stats background in charge of recruitment full time, that use a similar model but refine it to produce a better outcome? That way we're "doing it different" but it doesn't involve Tony. He's not the centre of the universe and at some point SK is probably going to look at Tony as a poor barometer of success when it comes to investing because he's got us up twice but also got us relegated twice so there 0 net improvement.

Would Shaid Khan think 'putting Javi Pereira and someone else with a stats background in charge of recruitment full time" is doing things differently to other clubs? I don't know what he thinks, but I would have thought that was doing things the same as Barnsley and Brentford. I really don't think your suggested approach is different to other clubs.

My point is he has virtually said "if he thinks we are doing things the same as other clubs", then he won't invest.

[Deeping_white]

TK would not get a job anywjhere else as DoF.

When Shahid Khan took over the club, he said he was investing because he thinks that he can do better than we have done before, by running this club differently from other clubs. The current arrangement of employing "a statistics and finance guy part-time with little knowledge of football ", definitely meets "doing things differently to everyone else" that Shahid Khan has committed to investing.

In contrast, it seems your proposal of "employing a professional that knows football" is clearly what most other clubs do and doesn't meet the criteria for Shahid Khan's investment.

I would like to stand corrected, but
i) how does your proposal meet Shahid Khan's criteria (i.e. having a different approach to football) for investment?
ii) if we get a new DOF, then is this club in a good enough position to get promoted within the next two seasons?
iii) if both parachute payments end and additional owner investment end (like at Sheffield Wednesday), how do we suggest we stay in the top two leagues of English Football?

The alternative of a "DOF without football knowledge" backed by a dad with huge money doesn't seem so bad.

Genuine question but why do you base all of your scenarios around the concept that SK wouldn't invest if TK wasn't DoF? What's to say he puts someone like Javi Pereira and someone else with a stats background in charge of recruitment full time, that use a similar model but refine it to produce a better outcome? That way we're "doing it different" but it doesn't involve Tony. He's not the centre of the universe and at some point SK is probably going to look at Tony as a poor barometer of success when it comes to investing because he's got us up twice but also got us relegated twice so there 0 net improvement.

Would Shaid Khan think 'putting Javi Pereira and someone else with a stats background in charge of recruitment full time" is doing things differently to other clubs? I don't know what he thinks, but I would have thought that was doing things the same as Barnsley and Brentford. I really don't think your suggested approach is different to other clubs.

My point is he has virtually said "if he thinks we are doing things the same as other clubs", then he won't invest.

But why do you have to do something different to other clubs? That's like saying we could sit here all day and hypothesise about stupid ways of being unique but if they don't work then what's the point? SK didn't become a billionaire by revolutionising the car part manufacturing sector, he just used a bit of intelligence and business sense to make his business more profitable, so he doesn't strike me as the sort of person who would only invest if we re-invented the wheel. We're forgetting that he literally broke our transfer record almost instantly under a different transfer regime, so he was hardly scrooge until TK came along and started running the recruitment side of things.

[Statto]

Genuine question but why do you base all of your scenarios around the concept that SK wouldn't invest if TK wasn't DoF?

TRF has been asked this question many times in recent years. Alas it remains a forum mystery.

[ALG01]

TK would not get a job anywjhere else as DoF.

Of course, Tony Khan wouldn't get a job at another club, but Shahid Khan trust TK and hence will give him £££.

When Shahid Khan took over the club, he said he was investing because he thinks that he can do better than we have done before, by running this club differently from other clubs. The current arrangement of employing "a statistics and finance guy part-time with little knowledge of football ", definitely meets "doing things differently to everyone else".

In contrast, it seems your proposal of "employing a professional that knows football" is clearly what most other clubs do and doesn't meet the criteria for Shahid Khan's investment.

I would like to stand corrected, but
i) how does your proposal meet Shahid Khan's criteria (i.e. having a different approach to football) for investment?
ii) if we get a new DOF, then is this club in a good enough position to get promoted within the next two seasons?
iii) if both parachute payments end and additional owner investment end (like at Sheffield Wednesday), how do we suggest we stay in the top two leagues of English Football?

The alternative of a "DOF without football knowledge" backed by a dad with huge money doesn't seem so bad.

having complimented you i am suprised at your response. I really do not know how to answer what you have said in a polite way.
However i will try.
SK has said lots of things but overiding all will hopefully be the desire to be a success.
Doing things differently is a very broad term and was I believe more talking of being self sufficient rather than reliant on hand outs from people like him and who can argue with that. What it does not mean is and never meant was putting no hopers in charge of positions that require talent. If TK would have been brilliant at the job we would all be cheering from the rafters but he is not, he is the opposite and our club is a shambles, dysfunctional and but for SK having so much money I doubt anybody would want to work for fulham at all.

Your comments defy your own AKA, they are totall irational. Totally.

We judge by what we we see we were and what we have become, things are much worse than when SK purchased the club. season onew was put down to lack of experience. Since then we have seen errors repeated over and over and a totlly failing DoF indulged.

[Deeping_white]

Genuine question but why do you base all of your scenarios around the concept that SK wouldn't invest if TK wasn't DoF?

TRF has been asked this question many times in recent years. Alas it remains a forum mystery.

I'm starting to think he might be a very hipster WUM and is baiting people from the sense of acting like he's a know it all, rather than being irritable from a traditional sense. I've just had a look at his posts from when he first joined in 2018 and he was suggesting Zambo play right back so perhaps the writing was on the wall from day 1???

[Twig]

Genuine question but why do you base all of your scenarios around the concept that SK wouldn't invest if TK wasn't DoF?

TRF has been asked this question many times in recent years. Alas it remains a forum mystery.

I'm starting to think he might be a very hipster WUM and is baiting people from the sense of acting like he's a know it all, rather than being irritable from a traditional sense. I've just had a look at his posts from when he first joined in 2018 and he was suggesting Zambo play right back so perhaps the writing was on the wall from day 1???

Wow, Zambo at RB? Takes the biscuit.