View from Millwall

[Statto]

''Horrible arrogant team & full on woke fans.......plenty of clapping when they take the knee ....let's be loud & proud with the boo''
And some people think there's not a problem with racism in football!

Thought it was well-established by now that not supporting the knee-taking isn't racist. Clearly not.
And some people think there's not a problem with idiocy in contemporary race relations discourse!

[BestOfBrede]

Sorry, being thick...
What does woke mean/stand for?

Ignore - I've looked it up

[Twig]

''Horrible arrogant team & full on woke fans.......plenty of clapping when they take the knee ....let's be loud & proud with the boo''
And some people think there's not a problem with racism in football!

Thought it was well-established by now that not supporting the knee-taking isn't racist. Clearly not.
And some people think there's not a problem with idiocy in contemporary race relations discourse!

There's not supporting it and there's actively booing it. As far as I am concerned the latter is ignorant racism! And that includes anyone who tries to manufacture some argument to justify the boo boys. Ignorant, bigoted, sad racists.

[ALG01]

Neanderthal doesn't even begin to do them justice

Rock and Gravel were more intelligent

Glad you used the N word..my spelling is bad enough at the best of times so am sure to have got that wrong.

[ALG01]

Wow,

I am sure that selection cannot be the entirety of their support but wow. The education systemn clearly passed them by big time.

I recall the response to the song no one likes us we don't care
it was n one likes you 'cause your s***, and ain't that just the truth!

[MikeTheCubed]

''Horrible arrogant team & full on woke fans.......plenty of clapping when they take the knee ....let's be loud & proud with the boo''
And some people think there's not a problem with racism in football!

Thought it was well-established by now that not supporting the knee-taking isn't racist. Clearly not.
And some people think there's not a problem with idiocy in contemporary race relations discourse!

There's not supporting it and there's actively booing it. As far as I am concerned the latter is ignorant racism! And that includes anyone who tries to manufacture some argument to justify the boo boys. Ignorant, bigoted, sad racists.

What if one simply doesn't feel that this has a place at a football match for such a prolonged period of time? After all it is not deemed to be an acceptable discussion on this forum.

By the same divisive logic of "you either accept it or you're a racist" the moderator who goes on to remove these posts in support of such arguments could also be deemed as racist.

[Somerset Fulham]

Sorry, being thick...
What does woke mean/stand for?

Ignore - I've looked it up

Most that use it as an insult don't generally have a clue what it actually means.

I imagine most of those hard nuts posting up there are the ones that are also sh!t scared of a little injection or wearing a face mask too.

[Statto]

What does woke mean/stand for?

Essentially trying to convince oneself and others that one is compassionate by getting vicariously offended on behalf of minority or vulnerable groups. The important thing is the woke person must not actually take any significant action or moderate their behaviour to help that group - it's just the gesture of pretending to be offended which matters. And then to reinforce how compassionate you are, you act in a bilious and thoroughly uncompassionate way towards anyone who disagrees with you. See Twig's last post for an excellent example.

[Twig]

''Horrible arrogant team & full on woke fans.......plenty of clapping when they take the knee ....let's be loud & proud with the boo''
And some people think there's not a problem with racism in football!

Thought it was well-established by now that not supporting the knee-taking isn't racist. Clearly not.
And some people think there's not a problem with idiocy in contemporary race relations discourse!

There's not supporting it and there's actively booing it. As far as I am concerned the latter is ignorant racism! And that includes anyone who tries to manufacture some argument to justify the boo boys. Ignorant, bigoted, sad racists.

What if one simply doesn't feel that this has a place at a football match for such a prolonged period of time? After all it is not deemed to be an acceptable discussion on this forum.

By the same divisive logic of "you either accept it or you're a racist" the moderator who goes on to remove these posts in support of such arguments could also be deemed as racist.

You might not feel it has a place, clearly Statto doesn't either. However actively booing those players choosing to take the knee is a nasty racist response in my book. Tell me, what cogent argument can you offer for booing?

[Westlondonffc]

Being opposed to the gesture of an extreme group which wants to radically reform society does not make you racist

When the 'radical reforms' are simply to create a less racist society, opposing them is racist.

And before someone uses a term they don't understand (like 'neo-Marxism'), I am fairly confident that multimillionaire Marcus Rashford isn't a disciple of Engels and Marx...

Is defunding the police not radical enough for you?

[Somerset Fulham]

Think he was broadly right in what he was saying to be honest.

And as for my use of that word? It's good not to be one, isn't it? I've certainly not called anyboy it.

I'm not going to respond to your presumed reply though, it's evident from past exchanges that although we appear to mostly align in a footballing sense, we are polar opposited when it comes to other things.

[MikeTheCubed]

''Horrible arrogant team & full on woke fans.......plenty of clapping when they take the knee ....let's be loud & proud with the boo''
And some people think there's not a problem with racism in football!

Thought it was well-established by now that not supporting the knee-taking isn't racist. Clearly not.
And some people think there's not a problem with idiocy in contemporary race relations discourse!

There's not supporting it and there's actively booing it. As far as I am concerned the latter is ignorant racism! And that includes anyone who tries to manufacture some argument to justify the boo boys. Ignorant, bigoted, sad racists.

What if one simply doesn't feel that this has a place at a football match for such a prolonged period of time? After all it is not deemed to be an acceptable discussion on this forum.

By the same divisive logic of "you either accept it or you're a racist" the moderator who goes on to remove these posts in support of such arguments could also be deemed as racist.

You might not feel it has a place, clearly Statto doesn't either. However actively booing those players choosing to take the knee is a nasty racist response in my book. Tell me, what cogent argument can you offer for booing?

I'll boo simply because I find it tedious and believe it has outlived its purpose, the latter of which numerous victims of online abuse have attested to.

If an extraterrestrial came to Earth a year ago, fell in love with football and decided they'd quite like to stay, they could be forgiven for believing that Racial Inequality is the only issue permeating football. That there's no corruption, greed, mistreatment of youth players etc.

[Craven Mad]

Being opposed to the gesture of an extreme group which wants to radically reform society does not make you racist

When the 'radical reforms' are simply to create a less racist society, opposing them is racist.

And before someone uses a term they don't understand (like 'neo-Marxism'), I am fairly confident that multimillionaire Marcus Rashford isn't a disciple of Engels and Marx...

Is defunding the police not radical enough for you?

Do you honestly believe that the players want to defund the police?

The mental leap required to try to justify booing an anti-racism gesture is incredible.

[Statto]

I'm not going to respond to your presumed reply 

Another one who knocks the Monopoly board off the table when he's losing

FWIW as much as it horrifies you, I suspect our views on race and other social issues are fundamentally similar

Where I diverge from posters like you and Twig is on the capacity for intelligent debate about it, ie the ability to avoid compelling people to observe/support a protest, calling anyone who disagrees a racist or c@nt, and saying things like "I'm not going to respond to your presumed reply"   

[rebel]

They would sound 'classy' to a Mongolian Sheep Herder, in down town Mongolia.   

[rebel]

I'm not going to respond to your presumed reply 

Another one who knocks the Monopoly board off the table when he's losing

FWIW as much as it horrifies you, I suspect our views on race and other social issues are fundamentally similar

Where I diverge from posters like you and Twig is on the capacity for intelligent debate about it, ie the ability to avoid compelling people to observe/support a protest, calling anyone who disagrees a racist or c@nt, and saying things like "I'm not going to respond to your presumed reply"   

I'm going against my natural instincts here and play 'peacemaker'. Shake hands 'we win together and lose together'.

[Twig]

I'm not going to respond to your presumed reply 

Another one who knocks the Monopoly board off the table when he's losing

FWIW as much as it horrifies you, I suspect our views on race and other social issues are fundamentally similar

Where I diverge from posters like you and Twig is on the capacity for intelligent debate about it, ie the ability to avoid compelling people to observe/support a protest, calling anyone who disagrees a racist or c@nt, and saying things like "I'm not going to respond to your presumed reply"   

Statto I didn't think I could be any clearer but let me try.  I fully accept that there are people who have legitimate concerns as to whether taking the knee is appropriate in sporting events.  It seems to me that is a perfectly reasonable subject for debate.  On that basis it would be wrong to "compel" anyone to support such a gesture. However, I am yet to hear a cogent argument in favour of booing the players choosing to take a knee (some elect not to and they shouldn't get booed either).  The only such "arguments" I have heard reek of racism and bigotry. Do you want to offer up a defence for such behaviour? If so I'm open to hearing it.

[Southdowns White]

''Horrible arrogant team & full on woke fans.......plenty of clapping when they take the knee ....let's be loud & proud with the boo''
And some people think there's not a problem with racism in football!

Thought it was well-established by now that not supporting the knee-taking isn't racist. Clearly not.
And some people think there's not a problem with idiocy in contemporary race relations discourse!

There's not supporting it and there's actively booing it. As far as I am concerned the latter is ignorant racism! And that includes anyone who tries to manufacture some argument to justify the boo boys. Ignorant, bigoted, sad racists.

What if one simply doesn't feel that this has a place at a football match for such a prolonged period of time? After all it is not deemed to be an acceptable discussion on this forum.

By the same divisive logic of "you either accept it or you're a racist" the moderator who goes on to remove these posts in support of such arguments could also be deemed as racist.

You might not feel it has a place, clearly Statto doesn't either. However actively booing those players choosing to take the knee is a nasty racist response in my book. Tell me, what cogent argument can you offer for booing?

I'll boo simply because I find it tedious and believe it has outlived its purpose, the latter of which numerous victims of online abuse have attested to.

If an extraterrestrial came to Earth a year ago, fell in love with football and decided they'd quite like to stay, they could be forgiven for believing that Racial Inequality is the only issue permeating football. That there's no corruption, greed, mistreatment of youth players etc.

With Respect, You have lost me, It is not about football, Footballers (of all colours) use the platform of a match to highlight the social differences and attitudes many Black and afro Caribbean people face on a day to day basis. If we lived our lives with some of the things they have had to live through, a few of those who boo the taking of the Knee would probably not do so. I have black friends, I grew up in London, I have seen and heard discrimination and still hear comments today that are shameful. One little anecdote, Living in London I have never been stopped by the police while driving, three times when in a car being driven by either a black or Asian person the car has been stopped. None of my Black and Asian friends have ever been arrested or been in prison and have jobs that are regarded as respectable and well paid, They have grown up being stopped many times for very little reasons by the police, I have been stopped twice in my lifetime. They do not want special treatment from anyone, just the same as everyone else and this is one way to highlight that discrepancy.

[lomotd]

''Horrible arrogant team & full on woke fans.......plenty of clapping when they take the knee ....let's be loud & proud with the boo''
And some people think there's not a problem with racism in football!

Thought it was well-established by now that not supporting the knee-taking isn't racist. Clearly not.
And some people think there's not a problem with idiocy in contemporary race relations discourse!

There's not supporting it and there's actively booing it. As far as I am concerned the latter is ignorant racism! And that includes anyone who tries to manufacture some argument to justify the boo boys. Ignorant, bigoted, sad racists.

What if one simply doesn't feel that this has a place at a football match for such a prolonged period of time? After all it is not deemed to be an acceptable discussion on this forum.

By the same divisive logic of "you either accept it or you're a racist" the moderator who goes on to remove these posts in support of such arguments could also be deemed as racist.

You might not feel it has a place, clearly Statto doesn't either. However actively booing those players choosing to take the knee is a nasty racist response in my book. Tell me, what cogent argument can you offer for booing?

I'll boo simply because I find it tedious and believe it has outlived its purpose, the latter of which numerous victims of online abuse have attested to.

If an extraterrestrial came to Earth a year ago, fell in love with football and decided they'd quite like to stay, they could be forgiven for believing that Racial Inequality is the only issue permeating football. That there's no corruption, greed, mistreatment of youth players etc.

Sorry you find a protest against racial abuse tedious. I'm sure the players that are racially abused daily would love for it to go away as well but it continues unabated, taking the knee is a powerful reminder of that.

[ChesterTheTabby]

But like, how is any of this View From Millwall related? I see enough of this banter in my daily life. Get off ye high horses and pedestals and let's talk Fulham! COYW!!