Next Manager To Go - Odds Update

[finnster01]

So again, according to Oddschecker the updated list of next manager to go (and given the link that Mr WN posted from the unofficial Liverfart website, there may be some free money to be had). Mark Hughes and Mick McCarthy is moving out.

Best odds as of right now:

1) Roy Hodgson 15/8 (Paddy Power)
2) Avram Grant 3/1
3) Gerard Houllier 5/1
4) Carlo Ancelotti 11/2
5) Mark Hughes  13/2
6) Mick McCarthy 10/1

[finnster01]

Bump if someone wants to try get in on the action prior to the supposed press conference tomorrow at Anfield.
http://melwoodandalusians.com/kopites/

[Jimbobob]

Bump if someone wants to try get in on the action prior to the supposed press conference tomorrow at Anfield.
http://melwoodandalusians.com/kopites/

Is Roy really going to get the sack??? Unreal if it happens... :001: :001: :001:

[FFCcravencottage]

Ummmmm let me think!!

[gang]

I hope he stays until after our game with Liverpool, the new manager might be good at his job.

[Blingo]

Roy is good at his job, but he went to a club in turmoil and it has not gotten any better. Let's not forget what he did for a little club in S.W.6.

[GoldCoastWhite]

I'd love to hear from our (regrettably small) female contingent regarding this one. Roy did wonders for us but regrettably had his head turned by a club that was once something very special. (Not special in the way that only Fulham can be but special none the less) .What would you do in his shoes ?  There are parallels with the Schwarzer situaton in that they are both first and foremost football pros, not Fulham supporters like us. The big boys come knocking and you think ok, I'll have some of that.
In all honesty, wouldn't you at least think about it ? It's all gone badly wrong for RH, and part of me says you made your bed, now lie in it but in his shoes.... ?

[ImperialWhite]

On the same site:
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

4th favourites for relegation, Fulham 11/4

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[finnster01]

I'd love to hear from our (regrettably small) female contingent regarding this one. Roy did wonders for us but regrettably had his head turned by a club that was once something very special. (Not special in the way that only Fulham can be but special none the less) .What would you do in his shoes ?  There are parallels with the Schwarzer situaton in that they are both first and foremost football pros, not Fulham supporters like us. The big boys come knocking and you think ok, I'll have some of that.
In all honesty, wouldn't you at least think about it ? It's all gone badly wrong for RH, and part of me says you made your bed, now lie in it but in his shoes.... ?

I may not be female Mr Colin (at least last time I looked), but I think honestly this is a question of greed more than anything else. Roy could have stayed at Fulham and rested on his laurels and eventually would have become a legend.

Instead, he opted for the greener grass perhaps at the ill advise from his wife (scouser). If you want to be amongst the big dogs, you need to act like one. Look at him now, fighting with Reds supporters, a fight not even the special one could win. He is a dead man walking. Was it worth it, Roy?

It reminds me of a piece of advice I was given once by an old fox of a dealer. I asked what is the secret for you being so successful year in and year out? He said, "there is no shame in taking a profit". Meaning that people lose because they keep chasing and pushing the envelope. Whether it is trying to time the market and hold on to the stocks a little too long, play the Casino tables just one more time (and then another and then another...) or jumping jobs and go from an environment you are comfortable with to another unknown entity for a few quid more. 

[GoldCoastWhite]

I understand where you're coming from Finn but I don't think the bank balance was the prime consideration. It was the potential glory. Our ambitions are much more realistic than the Scousers but Roy thought he could have it all. From my perspective - we looked like we were getting very close to a Wembley visit last year and I was going to max out the credit card, tell work to stuff it if my leave wasn't approved - I was going to be there come hell or high water. Why ? Because we don't get to Wembley very often and I wasn't going to miss it. But we've been there once, and you and your Dad were there to see it. Plenty of proud football clubs that haven't had a sniff. We have every right to dream and I think that football managers share similar dreams. I still think that Roy would have been far better off taking us to new levels but I understand his moving on. (Doen't mean I have to like it though ! )

[jarv]

Mr. Finn, I like the analogy. I could add that football, like business, often needs a "mr. fixit" short term manager. Hodgson does not seem fit this mould. Liverpool's job description probably did not contain that as one of the requirements, (due to their blinkered view of their club).
This type of manager could make a successful career going from club to club. Dare I say it but Keegan springs to mind. He was good in the short term for newcastle, Fulham and manchester City. Redknapp is another but Liverpool is too far from Bournemouth.

[Blingo]

 

I'd love to hear from our (regrettably small) female contingent regarding this one. Roy did wonders for us but regrettably had his head turned by a club that was once something very special. (Not special in the way that only Fulham can be but special none the less) .What would you do in his shoes ?  There are parallels with the Schwarzer situaton in that they are both first and foremost football pros, not Fulham supporters like us. The big boys come knocking and you think ok, I'll have some of that.
In all honesty, wouldn't you at least think about it ? It's all gone badly wrong for RH, and part of me says you made your bed, now lie in it but in his shoes.... ?

I may not be female Mr Colin (at least last time I looked), but I think honestly this is a question of greed more than anything else. Roy could have stayed at Fulham and rested on his laurels and eventually would have become a legend.

Instead, he opted for the greener grass perhaps at the ill advise from his wife (scouser). If you want to be amongst the big dogs, you need to act like one. Look at him now, fighting with Reds supporters, a fight not even the special one could win. He is a dead man walking. Was it worth it, Roy?

It reminds me of a piece of advice I was given once by an old fox of a dealer. I asked what is the secret for you being so successful year in and year out? He said, "there is no shame in taking a profit". Meaning that people lose because they keep chasing and pushing the envelope. Whether it is trying to time the market and hold on to the stocks a little too long, play the Casino tables just one more time (and then another and then another...) or jumping jobs and go from an environment you are comfortable with to another unknown entity for a few quid more.  

I never knew we had spoken Finny. That is my exact philosophy m8 and it has not let me down yet. As Rothschild said, always leave a little for the next guy.

[RidgeRider]

I understand where you're coming from Finn but I don't think the bank balance was the prime consideration. It was the potential glory. Our ambitions are much more realistic than the Scousers but Roy thought he could have it all. From my perspective - we looked like we were getting very close to a Wembley visit last year and I was going to max out the credit card, tell work to stuff it if my leave wasn't approved - I was going to be there come hell or high water. Why ? Because we don't get to Wembley very often and I wasn't going to miss it. But we've been there once, and you and your Dad were there to see it. Plenty of proud football clubs that haven't had a sniff. We have every right to dream and I think that football managers share similar dreams. I still think that Roy would have been far better off taking us to new levels but I understand his moving on. (Doen't mean I have to like it though ! )

I agree with this, while Finn's point about the dosh is certainly valid and factored in, like you said it wasn't the prime consideration. Too bad he got his head turned. I am starting to think he didn't want to work for MAF any longer as well.

[NogoodBoyo]

I think Rider makes a good point. 
As I've written on a number of occasions, I know somebody who reported into MAF at the corner shop.  He is neither an easy nor a rational man to work with.  Hodgson knew he had an ageing squad and that money would not be made available to replace/build on it.
MAF only seems to release money for transfers when things are really dire and seems only to release one tranch per manager (in Coleman's case none).  Hodgson blew most of his on Andrew Johnson.  He's also very tight on salaries, so we're not going to get yo0ung stars, we're going to have to work with journeymen.
It's obviosuly not the best way to be competitive in a league like the Prem, but it's understandable.  MAF's train set/MAF's money.  He doesn't want to keep throwing money at the club, so he's just hoping for miracles really.
Nogood "talking pounds, dollars and sense, isit" Boyo

[HatterDon]

I think this odds for sacking and odds for relegation stuff is nonsense. If we had Mr. Peabody and his Wayback Machine, it would be interesting to see the odds on Hughton getting the sack the week before that shock occurred.

I honestly didn't see either Hughton or Real Sam's firing coming. I wonder if the bookies did.