Zambo Anguissa permanent transfer

[Sting of the North]

"However, it is understood that Silva does not want anyone involved who is not committed to the club's promotion push, and as a result, Anguissa played no part against Middlesbrough."

It is still just words written by a journalist/reporter but no rebuffs from any senior staff at the Club and certainly nothing from the player.  We also do not know what his contract stated when he originally signed, but the evidence suggests as others on this thread have stated that he is not fully committed to the Club.

Thank you Toshes Mate, at least that is something not entirely made up on this board. It should maybe be noted however that Anguissa was then selected for the following 4 league games and played in three of them, before he was sent on loan. Should we take this as him being committed then?

In any case, the only evidence we do have is that Anguissa did not in fact refuse to play for us in the Championship. I therefore fail to see why this is being parroted by some without any further supporting evidence being provided.

I do concede however that Anguissa was likely happy to go on loan to a bigger club in a bigger league. I do also believe that most of our players would have felt the same had a club of Napoli's size come knocking. That is just a guess though. Another guess is that the club was happy to loan him out because we were treading dangerously close to the FFP limit, and they felt we had good options to cover the middle of the park.

I'll leave the character judgment to those in charge, mainly Silva. Personally I would love Anguissa back as a player. Obviously not if he is not interested, but that goes for all players.

[FFC1987]

Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.

Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.

Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.

He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.

If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.

That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.

On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.

We paid "a loan fee and £11m" for Knockaert; and we are considering selling Anguissa for "a loan fee and £15m", then giving the money to the guy that bought Knockaert. Are you mad?

Surely, we should "keep Anguissa" than "give £15m to Tony Khan to spend".

Not sure that kind of attitude is necessary. If Anguissa doesn't want to be here, and he certainly didn't when we were in championship twice, then money is probably a good idea to reinvest for next season. As I said before, i'm ambivalent to it. I really rate him but do question his belief that he didn't fancy helping the club in a lower league, something he contributed towards.

[FFC1987]

"However, it is understood that Silva does not want anyone involved who is not committed to the club's promotion push, and as a result, Anguissa played no part against Middlesbrough."

It is still just words written by a journalist/reporter but no rebuffs from any senior staff at the Club and certainly nothing from the player.  We also do not know what his contract stated when he originally signed, but the evidence suggests as others on this thread have stated that he is not fully committed to the Club.

Thank you Toshes Mate, at least that is something not entirely made up on this board. It should maybe be noted however that Anguissa was then selected for the following 4 league games and played in three of them, before he was sent on loan. Should we take this as him being committed then?

In any case, the only evidence we do have is that Anguissa did not in fact refuse to play for us in the Championship. I therefore fail to see why this is being parroted by some without any further supporting evidence being provided.

I do concede however that Anguissa was likely happy to go on loan to a bigger club in a bigger league. I do also believe that most of our players would have felt the same had a club of Napoli's size come knocking. That is just a guess though. Another guess is that the club was happy to loan him out because we were treading dangerously close to the FFP limit, and they felt we had good options to cover the middle of the park.

I'll leave the character judgment to those in charge, mainly Silva. Personally I would love Anguissa back as a player. Obviously not if he is not interested, but that goes for all players.

Call me cynical but I'd wager he wanted match fitness after pre season to go elsewhere in those league games. Very much share your opinion on this. Great to have him back if Silva does, and really rate him.

[LC]

To be fair, we all thought Seri didn't want to be at Fulham when he went out on loan, but he said in a interview recently that he did want to stay.

The truth is we have no idea what happens behind the scenes, but if he wants to be at the club next season and the manager is happy to have him back then he should play.

There is zero chance we can replace him with €15m. I trust the management and board to make the right call- whatever they might be- I don't know.

On a final note, seen a few people talk about his goals and assist tally- if we're being fair, we haven't had a goalscoring/assist contributor since Danny Murphy.

[love4ffc]

I have enjoyed reading this thread.  Great discussion.  It will be interesting to see how this saga plays out.  In the end I think it will come down to how TK once to balance the books and how Zambo and Silva make out.   

[The Rational Fan]

Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.

Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.

Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.

He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.

If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.

That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.

On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.

We paid "a loan fee and £11m" for Knockaert; and we are considering selling Anguissa for "a loan fee and £15m", then giving the money to the guy that bought Knockaert. Are you mad?

Surely, we should "keep Anguissa" than "give £15m to Tony Khan to spend".

Not sure that kind of attitude is necessary. If Anguissa doesn't want to be here, and he certainly didn't when we were in championship twice, then money is probably a good idea to reinvest for next season. As I said before, i'm ambivalent to it. I really rate him but do question his belief that he didn't fancy helping the club in a lower league, something he contributed towards.

Napoli is probably willing to sign Anguissa for five seasons at the price of a) "£15m transfer fee and £100,000 per week wages" or b) "£30m transfer fee and £50,000 per week wages". If Anguissa doesn't want to be here, then he can accept a pay cut.

The "Old Fashion Attitude" of getting rid of players that don't want to be here at fire-sale transfer fees and hence high wages, rewards disloyalty and created a whole network of "mercenary agents" teaching their players the benefits of disloyalty in salary negiotions.

[jayffc]

Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.

Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.

Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.

He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.

If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.

That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.

On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.

We paid "a loan fee and £11m" for Knockaert; and we are considering selling Anguissa for "a loan fee and £15m", then giving the money to the guy that bought Knockaert. Are you mad?

Surely, we should "keep Anguissa" than "give £15m to Tony Khan to spend".

Not sure that kind of attitude is necessary. If Anguissa doesn't want to be here, and he certainly didn't when we were in championship twice, then money is probably a good idea to reinvest for next season. As I said before, i'm ambivalent to it. I really rate him but do question his belief that he didn't fancy helping the club in a lower league, something he contributed towards.

Also a bit bored of the continual hankering that TK isnt capable of signing good players. Sure weve signed some duds along the way, but Amnguissa isnt a dud  and he signed him- clearly, hes got quality - he plays for the 2nd place team in Italy.
In recent history he signed Wilson who's been pretty damn good, Tete who's been fantastic, Neko who's been brilliant, his previous signing deemed a flop Seri has been unbelievably good at times this season. Tosin has been a pretty great signing. Muniz whilst highlighted by Silva has shown plenty of potential, Chalobah shows promise albeit he's not a starter, He's also held on to/assembled a team and staff that are currently absolutely running away with the league.
The idea that hes an idiot and cant be trusted to run the club is so way off at this point.
Sure we all hope we can improve next year, but its not like Lookman, Joachim, Areola were all terrible either. So we really need to update our perspective a littler and accept that of late his hit rates been pretty impressive...worst decision he made was keeping on Parket really but his hand was pushed somewhat by him just scraping promotion for us.

anyway
people should try and let it go.... So much to be optimistic about going into this next season. Its still gonna be very tough, and we have no diviine right to be in the premier league. But Im hopefult that were capable of picking up good signings based on the last couple seasons ... and now we have a competent coaching team to go with it

[The Rational Fan]

Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.

Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.

Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.

He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.

If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.

That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.

On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.

We paid "a loan fee and £11m" for Knockaert; and we are considering selling Anguissa for "a loan fee and £15m", then giving the money to the guy that bought Knockaert. Are you mad?

Surely, we should "keep Anguissa" than "give £15m to Tony Khan to spend".

Not sure that kind of attitude is necessary. If Anguissa doesn't want to be here, and he certainly didn't when we were in championship twice, then money is probably a good idea to reinvest for next season. As I said before, i'm ambivalent to it. I really rate him but do question his belief that he didn't fancy helping the club in a lower league, something he contributed towards.

Also a bit bored of the continual hankering that TK isnt capable of signing good players. Sure weve signed some duds along the way, but Amnguissa isnt a dud  and he signed him- clearly, hes got quality - he plays for the 2nd place team in Italy.
In recent history he signed Wilson who's been pretty damn good, Tete who's been fantastic, Neko who's been brilliant, his previous signing deemed a flop Seri has been unbelievably good at times this season. Tosin has been a pretty great signing. Muniz whilst highlighted by Silva has shown plenty of potential, Chalobah shows promise albeit he's not a starter, He's also held on to/assembled a team and staff that are currently absolutely running away with the league.
The idea that hes an idiot and cant be trusted to run the club is so way off at this point.
Sure we all hope we can improve next year, but its not like Lookman, Joachim, Areola were all terrible either. So we really need to update our perspective a littler and accept that of late his hit rates been pretty impressive...worst decision he made was keeping on Parket really but his hand was pushed somewhat by him just scraping promotion for us.

anyway
people should try and let it go.... So much to be optimistic about going into this next season. Its still gonna be very tough, and we have no diviine right to be in the premier league. But Im hopefult that were capable of picking up good signings based on the last couple seasons ... and now we have a competent coaching team to go with it

Tony Khan won't be able to replace Anguissa with someone of the same quality for £15m, and neither would 95% of DOFs. If we sell Anguissa for £15m and reinvest the money, then we are getting a downgrade. Tony Khan is not an idiot, but he is not a football genius either. Only a football genius could find a like-for-like replacement Anguissa with only £15m. If we have ten other players in the starting XI as good as Anguissa next season, then there is no way we are going down (i.e. we don't need an upgrade or replacement of Anguissa).

[Whitestone]

Putting the politics aside as to whether he wants to be at Fulham or not, Anguissa is the best midfielder we currently have on the books. I'd be surprised if he returns for a third go at Premier League survival but if Silva wants him that's good enough for me.

[toshes mate]

"However, it is understood that Silva does not want anyone involved who is not committed to the club's promotion push, and as a result, Anguissa played no part against Middlesbrough."

It is still just words written by a journalist/reporter but no rebuffs from any senior staff at the Club and certainly nothing from the player.  We also do not know what his contract stated when he originally signed, but the evidence suggests as others on this thread have stated that he is not fully committed to the Club.

Thank you Toshes Mate, at least that is something not entirely made up on this board. It should maybe be noted however that Anguissa was then selected for the following 4 league games and played in three of them, before he was sent on loan. Should we take this as him being committed then?

In any case, the only evidence we do have is that Anguissa did not in fact refuse to play for us in the Championship. I therefore fail to see why this is being parroted by some without any further supporting evidence being provided.

I do concede however that Anguissa was likely happy to go on loan to a bigger club in a bigger league. I do also believe that most of our players would have felt the same had a club of Napoli's size come knocking. That is just a guess though. Another guess is that the club was happy to loan him out because we were treading dangerously close to the FFP limit, and they felt we had good options to cover the middle of the park.

I'll leave the character judgment to those in charge, mainly Silva. Personally I would love Anguissa back as a player. Obviously not if he is not interested, but that goes for all players.

I think a very wise underlying point you make is that it is the senior staff in the Club who encourage loyalty from players by showing realistic ambitions, realistic team strategies throughout leagues, and a united and friendly face that has no hidden agendas.  In other words the Club a a great place to want to play football.  I am not sure that we were quite at that place or level when Anguissa signed, but perhaps Silva has made that prospect more likely. It is also possible that Silva believed from the start his squad with or without Anguissa was too good to be true - the sign of a guy who knows what he is about and the reason why Shahid Khan was taken with him right away ... 

[perry geyton]

It's very funny how at the start of the season people were trotting out all sorts of excuses as to why Seri should be nowhere near a Fulham team due to past experiences, promptly got proven wrong and went quiet on the matter and are now making the same sort of noises about Anguissa. Not sure if people on here have selective memories but he was the best player for us over the first few months of last season and then his form tailed off, like literally every player in the squad minus Areola. It's also funny how people are so quick to judge without considering that the coach was most likely the issue over recent times rather than any one individual, like the Parker fan club also found out the hard way as the rest of us foretold. Silva knows what he's doing and actually knows how to use a player of Seri's ability for example so it's very likely he'll want someone of Anguissa's skill set in his side. When he had Watford playing so well using a 433, he had Doucoure in a midfield three and Anguissa is a very similar player so I wouldn't be surprised to see him used in such a manner next season.

This

The idea that some are rubbishing a player who when fit and not at the ACN has been starting for Napoli ( who are 2nd in Serie A) is, frankly bonkers to me

No one's denying that he may have the ability "still questionable in my opinion" but it's his attitude that stinks
and blatant disrespect to our club, if you can't see that then you might be slightly bonkers yourself

[Deeping_white]

It's very funny how at the start of the season people were trotting out all sorts of excuses as to why Seri should be nowhere near a Fulham team due to past experiences, promptly got proven wrong and went quiet on the matter and are now making the same sort of noises about Anguissa. Not sure if people on here have selective memories but he was the best player for us over the first few months of last season and then his form tailed off, like literally every player in the squad minus Areola. It's also funny how people are so quick to judge without considering that the coach was most likely the issue over recent times rather than any one individual, like the Parker fan club also found out the hard way as the rest of us foretold. Silva knows what he's doing and actually knows how to use a player of Seri's ability for example so it's very likely he'll want someone of Anguissa's skill set in his side. When he had Watford playing so well using a 433, he had Doucoure in a midfield three and Anguissa is a very similar player so I wouldn't be surprised to see him used in such a manner next season.

This

The idea that some are rubbishing a player who when fit and not at the ACN has been starting for Napoli ( who are 2nd in Serie A) is, frankly bonkers to me

No one's denying that he may have the ability "still questionable in my opinion" but it's his attitude that stinks
and blatant disrespect to our club, if you can't see that then you might be slightly bonkers yourself

But that's the same thing people were saying about Seri for ages and this season when he's been given a chance to play here and give his side of the story it was easy to see that he was villified on here and wider for literally no reason

[perry geyton]

not really because Seri stuck around this season and played in the championship
So No not comparable

[AshfordFFC]

I am sat on the fence as yes I agree that if he would not play in the chamionship then he should not play as soon as (if) we go back up, however we do know not the whole truth regards whether it was or was not the case, although it seems strange as he was playing and doing well.... and equally, as mentioned, you will not get a player of he 'calibre' for 15 Mil be it EUR or £.

however, although i know only click bait, and again no truth until happens, I have seen this today...

http://sportwitness.co.uk/fulham-will-paid-now-clear-cottagers-deal-will-take-place-regardless-everything-else/

Napoli stating they will pay the 15 mil !!

[Twig]

Can someone please explain what all this wonderful quality is that Anguissa is meant to have? I never, ever saw it at Fulham. Yes a few nice silky touches here and there but I can't think of a game where his "quality" made all the difference to get us three points.
Consequently I assume that you guys have seen this fantastic quality whilst he has been out on loan. How do I get to watch all this Serie A football because I'd genuinely like to see what all the hype is about?

[mrmicawbers]

As I said earlier in the debate,can the transfer be stopped if the player wants to leave?If that's the case it doesn't matter does it?