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Forest - Just signed their 11th player

Started by Cambridge Away, July 21, 2022, 10:49:52 PM

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Deeping_white

Quote from: Whitestone on July 22, 2022, 03:30:47 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 22, 2022, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on July 22, 2022, 03:13:28 PM
Brentford just signed Ben mee. And before anyone comments relegated last season or similar nonsense he has multiple years of prem survival experience and got the club as high as Europe. Look at burn if you still want to nay say. If Brentford could sign him crazy for us not to have gone after him particularly if we're not signing any other centre backs

Brentford were the only PL club interested in him and don't even see him as a starter so that says how the rest of the PL saw him as a viable option - he's coming back from a bad fibula fracture and was on £70k a week and so it's a huge risk offering a 32 year old (turning 33 in September) that sort of money considering he hasn't played since March

A 'huge risk' you say. When the option is the older Ream I think it's a risk worth considering. As for salary I doubt that Brentford are paying over the odds there. Mee would have been perfect as an option for a promoted side.

well yes, he's not played a competitive game of football since Spring. If he wasn't fit straight away, which there is a serious chance of, imagine how many people would be on here slagging the club off for sigining a crocked nearly 33 year old CB.

clarkey

I find it incredible that anyone comes on this forum and tries to argue Fulham have done well in the window. It has been an unmitigated disaster.

The veteran centre backs that we have missed are copious, the goalscorers, the GK's...and now we are even missing the easy ones. It's become a farce. Such a shame, we had so much time to plan and we have done really badly.

Try and explain away this window. It is really disappointing.It's last year's defence against the Prem....shine on !

FFC1987

Quote from: clarkey on July 22, 2022, 03:48:05 PM
I find it incredible that anyone comes on this forum and tries to argue Fulham have done well in the window. It has been an unmitigated disaster.

The veteran centre backs that we have missed are copious, the goalscorers, the GK's...and now we are even missing the easy ones. It's become a farce. Such a shame, we had so much time to plan and we have done really badly.

Try and explain away this window. It is really disappointing.It's last year's defence against the Prem....shine on !

Same posters who said the same last time as well. Just ignore it and lets hope this cluster f**k of a window gets some players who perform immediately and enough to keep SIlva from walking.


Whitestone

Quote from: Deeping_white on July 22, 2022, 03:37:31 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 22, 2022, 03:30:47 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 22, 2022, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on July 22, 2022, 03:13:28 PM
Brentford just signed Ben mee. And before anyone comments relegated last season or similar nonsense he has multiple years of prem survival experience and got the club as high as Europe. Look at burn if you still want to nay say. If Brentford could sign him crazy for us not to have gone after him particularly if we're not signing any other centre backs

Brentford were the only PL club interested in him and don't even see him as a starter so that says how the rest of the PL saw him as a viable option - he's coming back from a bad fibula fracture and was on £70k a week and so it's a huge risk offering a 32 year old (turning 33 in September) that sort of money considering he hasn't played since March

A 'huge risk' you say. When the option is the older Ream I think it's a risk worth considering. As for salary I doubt that Brentford are paying over the odds there. Mee would have been perfect as an option for a promoted side.

well yes, he's not played a competitive game of football since Spring. If he wasn't fit straight away, which there is a serious chance of, imagine how many people would be on here slagging the club off for sigining a crocked nearly 33 year old CB.

I don't disagree but we are now 14 days away from the new season. Earlier in the window there were more options. Now I'm not so sure. It seems we have probably moved on from the list of 6 Cb's mentioned by West Sussex White several weeks ago. It's a shambles whichever way it's dressed up.

rebel

#44
Quote from: Whitestone on July 22, 2022, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 22, 2022, 03:37:31 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 22, 2022, 03:30:47 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 22, 2022, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on July 22, 2022, 03:13:28 PM
Brentford just signed Ben mee. And before anyone comments relegated last season or similar nonsense he has multiple years of prem survival experience and got the club as high as Europe. Look at burn if you still want to nay say. If Brentford could sign him crazy for us not to have gone after him particularly if we're not signing any other centre backs

Brentford were the only PL club interested in him and don't even see him as a starter so that says how the rest of the PL saw him as a viable option - he's coming back from a bad fibula fracture and was on £70k a week and so it's a huge risk offering a 32 year old (turning 33 in September) that sort of money considering he hasn't played since March

A 'huge risk' you say. When the option is the older Ream I think it's a risk worth considering. As for salary I doubt that Brentford are paying over the odds there. Mee would have been perfect as an option for a promoted side.

well yes, he's not played a competitive game of football since Spring. If he wasn't fit straight away, which there is a serious chance of, imagine how many people would be on here slagging the club off for sigining a crocked nearly 33 year old CB.

I don't disagree but we are now 14 days away from the new season. Earlier in the window there were more options. Now I'm not so sure. It seems we have probably moved on from the list of 6 Cb's mentioned by West Sussex White several weeks ago. It's a shambles whichever way it's dressed up.

In the transfer window, you need to be pro-active, o.k. you won't get all your targets, but we won't be chasing targets at the bottom of the list, because the top targets have been hunted down by pro-active clubs.

I'm hoping Marco can make something of the hand he's been dealt. 

jayffc

#45
Quote from: clarkey on July 22, 2022, 03:48:05 PM
I find it incredible that anyone comes on this forum and tries to argue Fulham have done well in the window. It has been an unmitigated disaster.

The veteran centre backs that we have missed are copious, the goalscorers, the GK's...and now we are even missing the easy ones. It's become a farce. Such a shame, we had so much time to plan and we have done really badly.

Try and explain away this window. It is really disappointing.It's last year's defence against the Prem....shine on !

I dont think we've done all we need but not everyone is pant wetting about it.
Im still in the camp of I'd rather wait to get an Anderson-level defender than settle for a lesser CB like an injured Ben Mee. But then Im in the camp that felt had Silva been given our last prem squad we'd have stayed up so that explains that. If you feel last time the reason for us going down was more to do with Parker than anything else ya less precious about the first couple games, plenty time to bring players in before the 2nd/3rd/4th fixture. Heck a fortnight is plenty time to grab a CB too. And id they're good enough theyll make an immediate impact just like Anderson and Tosin did.

Seems like so far its

Palinha
Solomon
Periera

And now Mbabu all but done.

Happy with all those options really , perhaps a question mark on Periera for now but comes off a good season.

So yeh I think we've done well and signed some very good players.

Seems we are very much also closing in on a deal for at least 1 good goalkeeper between Leno and Neto. Rico alright althought not so good, so expect thatll be tied up soon.

So it really is then 2 weeks before the season starts and all attention on CB's. Again, considering last time we signed Anderson and Tosin in the last week I'd be more than happy if we repeated that level of recruitment + starting with a better team than last time out and feel confident Silva could keep us up in that instance.
All of us would love it to be tied up already but equally I dont really see or feel the need to catastrophise all the time about it. As has been stated loads, good players spent decades moving between clubs before this transfer window stuff and no one squabbled about how they had to have a month of training before theyd be any use.

Just my 2 cents.
Regardless like all of us, once this RB and GK are brought in which seems to be the case I very much hope for CB's as the next important piece to focus on




Nero

A lot  of the quality in a transfer window doesn't become available until the end, this is when the best team have got improvements in and current players either aren't going to be in squad or have dropped to 3rd choice and are looking at moving or teams what to recoup money

ALG01

Quote from: clarkey on July 22, 2022, 03:48:05 PM
I find it incredible that anyone comes on this forum and tries to argue Fulham have done well in the window. It has been an unmitigated disaster.

The veteran centre backs that we have missed are copious, the goalscorers, the GK's...and now we are even missing the easy ones. It's become a farce. Such a shame, we had so much time to plan and we have done really badly.

Try and explain away this window. It is really disappointing.It's last year's defence against the Prem....shine on !

I am not sure why they say everything is brilliant when it clearly isn't.
Sounds like they have fallen for club pr.
But it is a shame they say it's  ok when clearly it isn't

Sting of the North

Who said 'everything is brilliant'? Surely it's entirely possible to have various opinions that are non-binary?


FFC1987

Quote from: Sting of the North on July 22, 2022, 08:47:30 PM
Who said 'everything is brilliant'? Surely it's entirely possible to have various opinions that are non-binary?

And herein lies the problem. We've seen fair criticism (imo) disregarded and people pretend we're on the apocalyptic scale and we've also had posters say everything isn't THAT bad yet and we have time, suggested that everything is roses. A bit of nuance wouldn't go a miss. For what its worth, not a fan of the window so far. TK out. Bring on the zombies.

BestOfBrede

Quote from: FFC1987 on July 22, 2022, 03:58:38 PM
Quote from: clarkey on July 22, 2022, 03:48:05 PM
I find it incredible that anyone comes on this forum and tries to argue Fulham have done well in the window. It has been an unmitigated disaster.

The veteran centre backs that we have missed are copious, the goalscorers, the GK's...and now we are even missing the easy ones. It's become a farce. Such a shame, we had so much time to plan and we have done really badly.

Try and explain away this window. It is really disappointing.It's last year's defence against the Prem....shine on !

Same posters who said the same last time as well. Just ignore it and lets hope this cluster f**k of a window gets some players who perform immediately and enough to keep SIlva from walking.
Yeah, let's overspend on old players just because others have!?
Under Mo we ended up doing that, after being a solid Prem team for  long while, and look where that got us!

I'm so glad none of you lot deal in our transfers as it seems that any player bought by NF or Brentford are ones we've missed/should have gone for! Also that we should just whatever the asking price is!
I assume those that feel that an extra 1 or 2 million would like to think about how much that actually is, and/or how that affects ffp?
I would also hope that those that suggest this type of fee are not opposed to the seat ticket prices for certain games this season?

As an aside, I thought Fulham1987 was the year the poster was born, only to realise it's how many posts made on each and every thread! (Well almost!)

FFC1987

Do you always say so much to add so little? Don't like me posting on various threads of a forum, there's a mute button. Would much prefer if you did use the function as clearly, you don't actually read what others have posted. Now bore off back to the bridge you crawled out of.


ALG01

Quote from: Sting of the North on July 22, 2022, 08:47:30 PM
Who said 'everything is brilliant'? Surely it's entirely possible to have various opinions that are non-binary?

You can hold any opinion you want because that makes it opinion.

However, and as you know, a select few posters always, and i mean always,defend the club and any of its actions/inactions no matter what. If i and others voice real concern because things are completely wrong and running counter to the expectation raised by the owner and his PR team, i dislike being told black is white, or even being lured into circular argument. 

The club transfer policy is poor , the ffp issue is a result of that policy, the inability to sign players in a timely manner shows a level of amateurism and i fear another opportunity will be wasted and a top class manger will slip through our fingers, again.

But you are entitled to your opinion.

But i alwatys return to my favourite theme, i want the best for the club, i don't  love the individuals, when i read many other supporters posts i don't  think the same is true... not speaking up and saying our off field performance is poor, is doing the club a mega diservice.

Arthur

#53
Quote from: ALG01 on July 22, 2022, 11:02:08 PM
However, and as you know, a select few posters always, and i mean always,defend the club and any of its actions/inactions no matter what.

And a few well-known posters only seem to come onto the forum to criticise the Club - never to say anything positive.

ALG01

Quote from: Arthur on July 22, 2022, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 22, 2022, 11:02:08 PM
However, and as you know, a select few posters always, and i mean always,defend the club and any of its actions/inactions no matter what.

And a few well-known posters invariably criticise the Club no matter what.

That really is ridiculous and actually i resent the remark totally. I have said many times i have had an unbroken season ticket for 60+years,  even with 2000 in the ground going to endless distant pointless away games midweek in the freezing rain, so i do not expect such a comment.

I critisise what is wrong! When it's wrong and the situation we have now is wrong.

You invariably critisise me with a handful of others, over and over. If i say black you inevitably say white. Please keep away if this is the best you have to say when the poor management of the club is throwingxawzy anther brilliant opportunity.


Arthur

Quote from: ALG01 on July 22, 2022, 11:54:46 PM
Quote from: Arthur on July 22, 2022, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 22, 2022, 11:02:08 PM
However, and as you know, a select few posters always, and i mean always,defend the club and any of its actions/inactions no matter what.

And a few well-known posters invariably criticise the Club no matter what.

That really is ridiculous and actually i resent the remark totally. I have said many times i have had an unbroken season ticket for 60+years,  even with 2000 in the ground going to endless distant pointless away games midweek in the freezing rain, so i do not expect such a comment.

I critisise what is wrong! When it's wrong and the situation we have now is wrong.

You invariably critisise me with a handful of others, over and over. If i say black you inevitably say white. Please keep away if this is the best you have to say when the poor management of the club is throwingxawzy anther brilliant opportunity.

Mind what you say, please.

It was your remark - scornful of those who defend the Club - that drew my parallel response. Don't throw the first stone and then bleat when someone throws one back - rolling out the 'I've been a supporter for so many years' line for the umpteenth time. Let me tell you: So have I. Since I was 6 years old. More than 50 years ago. I'm a season ticket holder and every home game involves a 400-mile round trip. But such dedication doesn't make my opinion any more valid or correct - and neither does your long standing support enhance yours. Hard luck.

This is not the first time you've berated those who don't go along with your line of thinking - but it is the first time I've let you know it's a two-sided coin. And in spite of your protestation, I've seen instances where your default response has been to criticise the Club - accusing it of 'panic' and 'desperation' on the day of Marco Silva was unveiled, for one, only because you didn't know who he was.

If you don't want to feel you have to defend yourself (as opposed to defending your opinions), then stick to criticising the Club without taking a sideswipe at those who don't buy into to your way of thinking.



RaySmith

#56
I doubt anyone on here knows the full ins and outs of why we haven't been able get most of the players we've been linked with, so far; but obviously efforts have been made - so how fair is it to criticise the club negotiators? I don't know.

Forest signed Neco, when we weren't able to - when it seemed an obvious choice to come here, but was this to do with FFP? Just one example, of why Forest may have been more successful in transfer incomings than us - if they really have been.

But I still expect us to sign more players, probably including a cb and a keeper.

Abusing each other , if someone expresses a somewhat different view than one's own, is pointless when we all want the same thing - Fulham to start the new season with a team capable of staying up, and none of us know the full reality of the situation.

KebanOMG

Quote from: filham on July 22, 2022, 09:50:15 AM
Breaking news. Forrest have signed 11 players and are now said to be putting a bid together for Dennis at Watford.
Interesting to see how it all works out for them but they have certainly got their act together quickly following play off promotion.

and their full strength team drew 0-0 with Barnsley.


KebanOMG

Quote from: RaySmith on July 23, 2022, 01:51:34 AM
I doubt anyone on here knows the full ins and outs of why we haven't been able get most of the players we've been linked with, so far; but obviously efforts have been made - so how fair is it to criticise the club negotiators? I don't know.

Forest signed Neco, when we weren't able to - when it seemed an obvious choice to come here, but was this to do with FFP? Just one example, of why Forest may have been more successful in transfer incomings than us - if they really have been.

But I still expect us to sign more players, probably including a cb and a keeper.

Abusing each other , if someone expresses a somewhat different view than one's own, is pointless when we all want the same thing - Fulham to start the new season with a team capable of staying up, and none of us know the full reality of the situation.

haha we weren't able to?? We chose not to spend 17 million on someone who has looked not prem level every time he's played in it.

Snibbo

Williams for 17 million is way over the top. If we'd paid that, many on here would be saying "We've had our pants pulled down".

And if Forest are paying Lingard the rumoured weekly wage, they run a huge risk of a) putting the rest of their squad's noses out of joint and b) being in deep, deep sh*t should they get relegated.

Sure, it would be good to have made more signings by now, but the assumption that the club is incompetent / not trying / being mean, is just that, an assumption.

The last two season's signings have been mostly good. The likes of Areola, Anderson etc. were top class. That squad was good enough to stay in the Prem. The same team that made those signings is, I presume, still the same team working hard to make signings now, plus having a better manager in Marco.

Most signings are made late in the window because that's when players and agents hold out to see what the best offer is.