loan deals

[ALG01]

the problem with multiple loan deals is that the players are not staying with you and so there will be no continuity into the next season, every new season you have to build a new squad.
That's a bad thing. doing it every season.

[Somerset Fulham]

Number of loans so far this season (not including whatever Solomon is):


Zero.

[Sting of the North]

Number of loans so far this season (not including whatever Solomon is):


Zero.

Number of loans last season (not including Wilson who had a mandatory buy clause):

Zero.

Or am I forgetting someone?

[simplyfulham]

Number of loans so far this season (not including whatever Solomon is):


Zero.

Number of loans last season (not including Wilson who had a mandatory buy clause):

Zero.

Or am I forgetting someone?

Well I mean, technically Neco Williams.

But I don't think that detracts from the overall point.

[Sting of the North]

Ah, yes forgot about Neco!

[filham]

On the other hand there is an advantage with loan deals, if a player fails to live up to expectations the club is not lumbered with him and his wages for a few more seasons.

[The Rational Fan]

the problem with multiple loan deals is that the players are not staying with you and so there will be no continuity into the next season, every new season you have to build a new squad.
That's a bad thing. doing it every season.

I agree we shouldn't get loans, but that will make this season's team weaker and probably get us relegated, but it will make everyone of our following seasons stronger. We shouldn't ruin our future by desperately using loans to stay up. If the team that got promoted isn't good enough to stay up, then invest in the best players we can afford for the long-term (i.e. yo-yo players) rather than flying in some Premier League Star for one season that isn't wanted by the best 17 teams in the EPL.

[sunburywhite]

So you either loan a player and get rid of him at the end of the season or you can buy Knockheart

[ealex40]

Number of loans so far this season (not including whatever Solomon is):


Zero.

Number of loans last season (not including Wilson who had a mandatory buy clause):

Zero.

Or am I forgetting someone?

Yes....The Watford guy, who came with Chalubah and was returned, He wound up with Barnsley and played against us.

[cmg]

PL regulations concerning player loans from domestic clubs are, in any case, quite restrictive, which is good.
Fulham, as a PL club, should under no circumstances, borrow a player from a rival PL club. Taking care of a player for a rival is demeaning and counter-productive - this might be termed 'The RL-C Rule'.
There is more freedom when it comes to non-domestic loans, but even then these should be considered only as a last resort or in the case of financial rules jiggery-pokery.
Loans-with-option-to-buy are a different matter and can be seen as a valuable 'try before you buy' deal.
As always, our knowledge of the finances involved in these matters is limited to guesswork however ITK we might think we are.

[rebel]

Loans make a lot of sense, some have an option to buy, the club can assess at the end of the season if they want to buy.

[KebanOMG]

PL regulations concerning player loans from domestic clubs are, in any case, quite restrictive, which is good.
Fulham, as a PL club, should under no circumstances, borrow a player from a rival PL club. Taking care of a player for a rival is demeaning and counter-productive - this might be termed 'The RL-C Rule'.
There is more freedom when it comes to non-domestic loans, but even then these should be considered only as a last resort or in the case of financial rules jiggery-pokery.
Loans-with-option-to-buy are a different matter and can be seen as a valuable 'try before you buy' deal.
As always, our knowledge of the finances involved in these matters is limited to guesswork however ITK we might think we are.

[roberto w6]

Loans make a lot of sense, some have an option to buy, the club can assess at the end of the season if they want to buy.

In addition, I think a 1 year loan could more easily attract established PL pleayers who would otherwise be worried by the yo-yo tag and slipping down into the second tier. Would love to see us get someone with a massive point to prove. Someone with the bit between their teeth thinking "I'll show you" to their home club manager.

[Matt10]

All the complaining about who we should and shouldn't get, or how Forest gets all these players and we don't, etc - all that goes out the window when we survive a PL campaign once. That's all it takes. It doesn't matter if someone comes in permanent or on loan, as long as they contribute to our survival of one Premier League season. That's it. Once we do that we can then have that sense of entitlement that some are displaying now instead.

There's always this complaint about why we haven't had an established replacement to Ream, well that's because Ream is our championship CB - and we keep getting dropped back to the Championship...so logic says we keep playing Tim Ream. Once we prove that we can remain in the PL, then whoever the established CB is for this Premier League campaign is, will most likely stay on. If they don't, then our survival from this campaign will only build momentum into the next one - and we will be a much more attractive destination.

[ALG01]

What i said was multiple loan deals are a bad thing

If we had many loans this season and they don't stay next then we are back to needing to buy a full team again.

I don't happen to think our squad last season wzs good enough for the prem, bur it was ideal for its purpose and now we need quite a few quality players.

When tiganas team went up the quality of playrr was way higher than this, the team wzs nearly ready as it went up and maf was not slow in investing.

With two weeks to go and still only two players signed despite the owner telling us to were iminent, just waiting formalities, t seems we will start the season weak, and may end up with a multiple loansituation

[The Rational Fan]

What i said was multiple loan deals are a bad thing

If we had many loans this season and they don't stay next then we are back to needing to buy a full team again.

I don't happen to think our squad last season wzs good enough for the prem, bur it was ideal for its purpose and now we need quite a few quality players.

When tiganas team went up the quality of playrr was way higher than this, the team wzs nearly ready as it went up and maf was not slow in investing.

With two weeks to go and still only two players signed despite the owner telling us to were iminent, just waiting formalities, t seems we will start the season weak, and may end up with a multiple loansituation

If we have £13m per position this season and £7m per position next season, then if you don't want to spend £11m per position per season (because that isn't enough for premier league priced players) then you have to loan Premier League players rather than buying yo-yo players. Of course, the dream is to buy Premier League players at Yo-Yo player prices, but players are priced that way for a reason (for example Tete and Kongolo were Premier League players at yo-yo prices due their injury records).

I think buying yo-yo priced players is the correct solution, but there is no avoiding it is likely to cause a relegation and promotion yo-yo cycle, because buying players means amorizating player cost over premier league and championship seasons which only affords you yo-yo players.

The best way i can see out of this dilemma is keep buying yo-yo priced players (and hopefully yo-yo priced players that are almost premier league quality like Wilson and Tosin) and keep them playing together for years so hopefully a yo-yo priced team gets cohesive to come 17th in the EPL through excellent teamwork that comes from years together.

[mrmicawbers]

We're doomed.

[ALG01]

What i said was multiple loan deals are a bad thing

If we had many loans this season and they don't stay next then we are back to needing to buy a full team again.

I don't happen to think our squad last season wzs good enough for the prem, bur it was ideal for its purpose and now we need quite a few quality players.

When tiganas team went up the quality of playrr was way higher than this, the team wzs nearly ready as it went up and maf was not slow in investing.

With two weeks to go and still only two players signed despite the owner telling us to were iminent, just waiting formalities, t seems we will start the season weak, and may end up with a multiple loansituation

If we have £13m per position this season and £7m per position next season, then if you don't want to spend £11m per position per season (because that isn't enough for premier league priced players) then you have to loan Premier League players rather than buying yo-yo players. Of course, the dream is to buy Premier League players at Yo-Yo player prices, but players are priced that way for a reason (for example Tete and Kongolo were Premier League players at yo-yo prices due their injury records).

I think buying yo-yo priced players is the correct solution, but there is no avoiding it is likely to cause a relegation and promotion yo-yo cycle, because buying players means amorizating player cost over premier league and championship seasons which only affords you yo-yo players.

The best way i can see out of this dilemma is keep buying yo-yo priced players (and hopefully yo-yo priced players that are almost premier league quality like Wilson and Tosin) and keep them playing together for years so hopefully a yo-yo priced team gets cohesive to come 17th in the EPL through excellent teamwork that comes from years together.

Wow, that ois ana mazing piece. I do not agree but amazing nonetheless. All that yoyo nonsense (no offence intended) started by our DoF to detract from his own incompetence.

IMO the owner has to set a budget and the manager and scouts have to do the best they can with the resource avaialble. Problem is that we the supporters have not the first idea how much is available (for good commercial reasons but we do know money is avaialble. Either players are good enough or they aren't and some flourish in one system and others do not. The biggest hassle for us is waiting far too long to do the business leaving us having to get panic loan deals, that is regardless of whether you stay up or go down because at the end of the season, you have to start the nonsensical cycle all over having to buy a squad fit for purpose, which ours remains not.

But I did like your piece, one of the best so far even if I didn't agree.

[TerenceFrank]

It seems to me that this is indeed a very questionable topic. I am not very good at loans, it seems to me that they can be delayed. But recently my sister decided to take an apartment on a mortgage, I dissuaded her for a very long time. But she said she stumbled across one Mortgage Broker Sheffield site and consulted with a specialist. She was helped to find the right mortgage and complete all the paperwork. And in the end it turned out that this apartment on a mortgage was much cheaper than just buying an ordinary apartment.