Fred to Fulham getting close

[bog]

Totally in that Harrison is very underrated.

[filham]

Where is the site/source for this? The only thing I can find that isn't from a month or longer ago is this article which includes one line that we are still interested--

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66426715

Seems like nothing has changed since we talked about this a month ago.

This one has been running all summer, surely it will not continue into the new season, Fulham ,Man.u. and the player must want to see a conclusion by now.

[Drewry66]

Would of preferred Andre personally as I don't see Fred offering anymore than Harrison as a footballer. Happy to be proved wrong if he does sign. Must be a concern about the amount of cards Fred and Joao will pick up?

Correct me if I'm wrong but in my eyes Harrison offers a hell of a lot, the unsung hero of our team

I believe Fred has played the Joao role so perhaps better back up there and some could argue better on the ball than Harrison. I love Harrison and he's been absolutely brilliant for us and I'd defo offer a contract extension. If anything at this point if Andre and Fred came in I would look to sell Luckic next year but he has looked a lot better pre season so still time for him to change that.

I think the reason we've been after Andre for so long is on paper he's way better than any of our midfielders at beating the press and he is a much better passer. For all their strengths Joao and Harrison really struggle as they just aren't good enough on the ball. We then resort to hitting long which when Mitro is there can be effective but I think Marco is desperate to play out from the back and at the mo if we are facing a good high press we really struggle (Brighton away for example). That is Andres whole game...beat the press, carry or pass progressive turning defence into attack and he looks brilliant at it. I really hope we still go for him. 

[sunburywhite]

Reed is quite similar to Stan Brown in the work he does and the mentions he gets
Not classed a sa star but missed if not playing

On the subject of Fred, dont forget Marco had a big chat with him before he got on the coach after the Man U game

[Holders]

Reed is quite similar to Stan Brown in the work he does and the mentions he gets
Not classed a sa star but missed if not playing

Harrison has yet to play in goal!

[WolverineFFC]

Reports today that Freds move to Fulham has intensified and is on.

Genuinely buzzing for this to get over the line, would be such a good addition to our team 

Would prefer Andre personally but seemingly likely to be Liverpool bounds so Fred it is.

Good calibre of player and will fight it out with Reed I'm sure. Still think we need a Palhinha backup more than we need a Reed/Lukic upgrade - but they clearly want a ball carrying Mid still so if it is Fred there are many worse out there.

Bring it on.

According to the Liverpool Echo Liverpool have given up interest in Andre. I know we don't have £35 mill plus a squad strong enough to wait until January but of all the rumours we've read I'd love to see him at Craven Cottage

If Andre has to be January, then if we can afford it I'd love to get Fred now and Andre in January

Complete guess but I think we might consider this. Fluminese apparently want 25 million euros to sell in Jan so around £23 million. If we get Fred for around £12 million we have enough for now so can wait. We could get him and then potentially sell one of the midfielders next summer to balance out FFP a bit. There is potential in Andre that we pick him up for £23 million we could sell him for £60 million in a few years if he's as good as expected (there is a reason Liverpool are looking) so again just for that I think we should do it. Even if we don't sell we have a ready made Fred/Read replacement for the longer term. We should put the money down now and secure him if Liverpool are out of the race before others come sniffing.

Reed and TC have an extension beyond this season, so both will be entering the final year of their contracts (potentially) in the summer of 24. Given the club's recent stance on players entering their final year post Fabio, it wouldn't surprise me if one or both move on next summer as you say.

I would be surprised if Reed wasn't offered a contract extension especially if he performs well this season

Certainly possible. Just think it is equally possible Reed entering his age 30 season could be moving on. My main point is the club has decisions to make on TC and Reed coming up soon similar to Tosin/Jedi this summer.

[LC]

Reports today that Freds move to Fulham has intensified and is on.

Genuinely buzzing for this to get over the line, would be such a good addition to our team 

Would prefer Andre personally but seemingly likely to be Liverpool bounds so Fred it is.

Good calibre of player and will fight it out with Reed I'm sure. Still think we need a Palhinha backup more than we need a Reed/Lukic upgrade - but they clearly want a ball carrying Mid still so if it is Fred there are many worse out there.

Bring it on.

According to the Liverpool Echo Liverpool have given up interest in Andre. I know we don't have £35 mill plus a squad strong enough to wait until January but of all the rumours we've read I'd love to see him at Craven Cottage

If Andre has to be January, then if we can afford it I'd love to get Fred now and Andre in January

Complete guess but I think we might consider this. Fluminese apparently want 25 million euros to sell in Jan so around £23 million. If we get Fred for around £12 million we have enough for now so can wait. We could get him and then potentially sell one of the midfielders next summer to balance out FFP a bit. There is potential in Andre that we pick him up for £23 million we could sell him for £60 million in a few years if he's as good as expected (there is a reason Liverpool are looking) so again just for that I think we should do it. Even if we don't sell we have a ready made Fred/Read replacement for the longer term. We should put the money down now and secure him if Liverpool are out of the race before others come sniffing.

Reed and TC have an extension beyond this season, so both will be entering the final year of their contracts (potentially) in the summer of 24. Given the club's recent stance on players entering their final year post Fabio, it wouldn't surprise me if one or both move on next summer as you say.

I would be surprised if Reed wasn't offered a contract extension especially if he performs well this season

Certainly possible. Just think it is equally possible Reed entering his age 30 season could be moving on. My main point is the club has decisions to make on TC and Reed coming up soon similar to Tosin/Jedi this summer.

Reed is 28 years old, turning 29 in January. He has plenty of years left at this level. If he is looking good by Christmas, I would offer him a fresh 3 year deal

[WolverineFFC]

Reports today that Freds move to Fulham has intensified and is on.

Genuinely buzzing for this to get over the line, would be such a good addition to our team 

Would prefer Andre personally but seemingly likely to be Liverpool bounds so Fred it is.

Good calibre of player and will fight it out with Reed I'm sure. Still think we need a Palhinha backup more than we need a Reed/Lukic upgrade - but they clearly want a ball carrying Mid still so if it is Fred there are many worse out there.

Bring it on.

According to the Liverpool Echo Liverpool have given up interest in Andre. I know we don't have £35 mill plus a squad strong enough to wait until January but of all the rumours we've read I'd love to see him at Craven Cottage

If Andre has to be January, then if we can afford it I'd love to get Fred now and Andre in January

Complete guess but I think we might consider this. Fluminese apparently want 25 million euros to sell in Jan so around £23 million. If we get Fred for around £12 million we have enough for now so can wait. We could get him and then potentially sell one of the midfielders next summer to balance out FFP a bit. There is potential in Andre that we pick him up for £23 million we could sell him for £60 million in a few years if he's as good as expected (there is a reason Liverpool are looking) so again just for that I think we should do it. Even if we don't sell we have a ready made Fred/Read replacement for the longer term. We should put the money down now and secure him if Liverpool are out of the race before others come sniffing.

Reed and TC have an extension beyond this season, so both will be entering the final year of their contracts (potentially) in the summer of 24. Given the club's recent stance on players entering their final year post Fabio, it wouldn't surprise me if one or both move on next summer as you say.

I would be surprised if Reed wasn't offered a contract extension especially if he performs well this season

Certainly possible. Just think it is equally possible Reed entering his age 30 season could be moving on. My main point is the club has decisions to make on TC and Reed coming up soon similar to Tosin/Jedi this summer.

Reed is 28 years old, turning 29 in January. He has plenty of years left at this level. If he is looking good by Christmas, I would offer him a fresh 3 year deal

Depending on the wages it might be a good idea, but he has an extension year similar to BDR and Tosin last January. I expect the club to extend him over the winter and punt the final decision to summer 24.

[LC]

Reports today that Freds move to Fulham has intensified and is on.

Genuinely buzzing for this to get over the line, would be such a good addition to our team 

Would prefer Andre personally but seemingly likely to be Liverpool bounds so Fred it is.

Good calibre of player and will fight it out with Reed I'm sure. Still think we need a Palhinha backup more than we need a Reed/Lukic upgrade - but they clearly want a ball carrying Mid still so if it is Fred there are many worse out there.

Bring it on.

According to the Liverpool Echo Liverpool have given up interest in Andre. I know we don't have £35 mill plus a squad strong enough to wait until January but of all the rumours we've read I'd love to see him at Craven Cottage

If Andre has to be January, then if we can afford it I'd love to get Fred now and Andre in January

Complete guess but I think we might consider this. Fluminese apparently want 25 million euros to sell in Jan so around £23 million. If we get Fred for around £12 million we have enough for now so can wait. We could get him and then potentially sell one of the midfielders next summer to balance out FFP a bit. There is potential in Andre that we pick him up for £23 million we could sell him for £60 million in a few years if he's as good as expected (there is a reason Liverpool are looking) so again just for that I think we should do it. Even if we don't sell we have a ready made Fred/Read replacement for the longer term. We should put the money down now and secure him if Liverpool are out of the race before others come sniffing.

Reed and TC have an extension beyond this season, so both will be entering the final year of their contracts (potentially) in the summer of 24. Given the club's recent stance on players entering their final year post Fabio, it wouldn't surprise me if one or both move on next summer as you say.

I would be surprised if Reed wasn't offered a contract extension especially if he performs well this season

Certainly possible. Just think it is equally possible Reed entering his age 30 season could be moving on. My main point is the club has decisions to make on TC and Reed coming up soon similar to Tosin/Jedi this summer.

Reed is 28 years old, turning 29 in January. He has plenty of years left at this level. If he is looking good by Christmas, I would offer him a fresh 3 year deal

Depending on the wages it might be a good idea, but he has an extension year similar to BDR and Tosin last January. I expect the club to extend him over the winter and punt the final decision to summer 24.

Well the deal has to work for all parties yes.

A general point, I don't understand why people aren't more 'pro' Reed. If we were to replace him we would probably have to spend between £20-30m. He's a damn good player and underrated

[ianthailand]

Reed is quite similar to Stan Brown in the work he does and the mentions he gets
Not classed a sa star but missed if not playing

Harrison has yet to play in goal!

Only because he can't reach the bar!

[@jolslover]

“I know I’m not the best player, not the most technical, but I give my blood & my life every time I’m on the pitch…As we say in Brazil, I carry the piano for the artists to play.”

Frederico Rodrigues de Paula Santos🥹
I’m going to miss him ❤️🇧🇷pic.twitter.com/HgguYQYk7q

— 💜Ruk (@Miniruks) August 7, 2023

Watch this vid a good compilation of some of Freds best bits at United .. think it's a top signing. You don't play 140 games for United, make 32 starts for Brazil unless you have something about you

[McBrideOfFrankenstein]

“I know I’m not the best player, not the most technical, but I give my blood & my life every time I’m on the pitch…As we say in Brazil, I carry the piano for the artists to play.”

Frederico Rodrigues de Paula Santos🥹
I’m going to miss him ❤️🇧🇷pic.twitter.com/HgguYQYk7q

— 💜Ruk (@Miniruks) August 7, 2023

Watch this vid a good compilation of some of Freds best bits at United .. think it's a top signing. You don't play 140 games for United, make 32 starts for Brazil unless you have something about you

That's a fantastic quote from Fred.

[Cobh Fulham Fan]

Theres no doubting how good he is, but is there any real evidence that Fulham are seriously going after him?

[Carborundum]

Hopefully this one goes ahead.  If so, I don't expect him to play the Palhinha role for us ahead of Harrison Reed. 

At Man U he's found himself very well remunerated for a job the likes of Fernandez, Ericksen, Pogba, Mata have had no intention of doing. If he wanted to play, there was no choice.  But he's both fast-footed and two-footed. Someone did an analysis of who was Man U's most two footed player in 2020 and it was Fred. Eventually Casemiro's arrival transformed matters, because Casemiro is a natural in the DM role.  I don't think Fred is.

If we sign him, I'd expect it's as an upgrade on Cairney, whose one-footedness represent a ceiling at this level.  Very quickly I'd expect the way we move up the pitch to be less Ream-dependent and more like the Danny Murphy era (get the ball to him and he'll figure it out, perhaps a bit faster).  Part of his enthusiasm for the move may be underpinned by his conversation with Marco Silva.   I wonder if it was to recognise that Fred is largely wasted playing too deep.  Time for round peg to meet round hole.

I'd be frankly astonished if he earned his move away from Shaktar by hanging around at the back of midfield.

The thing about Man U, the reason they deserved to win at the Cottage last season despite the possession stats, is that they know how to slice through a team.  That's what we are tapping into if we buy Fred.  Reasonably confident it wouldn't take long to show us. 

[Deuce]

Only in Brazil can a player like Fred be considered a water carrier and "not the most technical".

Whenever I think of Fred I see those long passes from deep in behind the defence. I think we really lack that in our midfield

I think Willian, Andreas and Fred will be such a cracking trio both on and off the pitch. Fred will fit right in

[demeant0r]

Only in Brazil can a player like Fred be considered a water carrier and "not the most technical".

Whenever I think of Fred I see those long passes from deep in behind the defence. I think we really lack that in our midfield

I think Willian, Andreas and Fred will be such a cracking trio both on and off the pitch. Fred will fit right in

We're fast becoming Fulhamzil. We're already Fulhamerica.

[hovewhite]

Only in Brazil can a player like Fred be considered a water carrier and "not the most technical".

Whenever I think of Fred I see those long passes from deep in behind the defence. I think we really lack that in our midfield

I think Willian, Andreas and Fred will be such a cracking trio both on and off the pitch. Fred will fit right in

We're fast becoming Fulhamzil. We're already Fulhamerica.

dual nationality.

[btffc]

Only in Brazil can a player like Fred be considered a water carrier and "not the most technical".

Whenever I think of Fred I see those long passes from deep in behind the defence. I think we really lack that in our midfield

I think Willian, Andreas and Fred will be such a cracking trio both on and off the pitch. Fred will fit right in

We're fast becoming Fulhamzil. We're already Fulhamerica.

Fulhamericas

[LittleErn]

Both Harrison and Fred are likely to pickup yellows/injuries because of their style of play. It makes sense to be able to rotate them. I hope this comes off as it will be fascinating to see what Marco makes of their strengths.