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BDR underrated

Started by ChesterTheTabby, February 14, 2024, 04:05:00 PM

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ChesterTheTabby

Someone once asked me, "Why Fulham?".
My response, "Well, lad, you just haven't seen the light yet"

filham

We have had similar post before but yes a lot of us have underated BDR and no doubt he deserves credit for his versatility work rate and work in defense. Just now he seems to be getting among the goals but he has demonstrated at times that he knows how to miss scoring chances.
I am not convinced that he deserves that wide right attacking spot ahead of Iwobi or Wilson.

Lighthouse

His versatility is what makes him important. He is often criticised but his work ethic is second to none. I would probably put his name on my team sheet first as he is able to slot into a few positions. Yes underrated but will always be open to criticism.
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EN1 FFC

Over the seasons Bobby has done great service for us, he's a reliable and intelligent player and weighs in with goals which you need from midfield. I like his defensive qualities over Wilson who's tackling and defence isn't his strong point. But I think  on the right side, I'd now have to put Iwobi as a starter in front of BDcR, who has both strength and speed in his favour.
Bobby is definitely a player whose contract I would renew if needed.

bencher

I have to say I am bit cynical about his much vaunted versatility. I don't think he does a particularly good job when played out of position, on the whole, and although I can applaud his commitment and efforts and willingness to take one for the team, when he's playing as a right back/RWB, I pretty much know the opposing winger is going to get past him and cause danger.

His best weapon is actually when opposing teams underrate him because he will pop up with goals, often important ones, but there is a reason they don't see him as a major threat.

Twig

Quote from: bencher on February 14, 2024, 06:12:10 PMI have to say I am bit cynical about his much vaunted versatility. I don't think he does a particularly good job when played out of position, on the whole, and although I can applaud his commitment and efforts and willingness to take one for the team, when he's playing as a right back/RWB, I pretty much know the opposing winger is going to get past him and cause danger.

His best weapon is actually when opposing teams underrate him because he will pop up with goals, often important ones, but there is a reason they don't see him as a major threat.


I'm not quite clear how you know that opposing teams don't see BDR as a major threat?  Some individual players might not and others probably do. But all opposing teams? Just not sure how you arrive at that conclusion, unless it's simply because you don't see him as a threat and therefore assume opposition teams won't either?


EN1 FFC

I've looked up that his contract comes to an end in Summer 24.
At 31 will Fulham or Bobby want to renew. Should Fulham Re-new ?
We will have Jay Stansfield coming back from Birmingham and we don't want to be blocking young talent.
There will be Iwobi and cover with Wilson

Southcoastffc

Quote from: bencher on February 14, 2024, 06:12:10 PMI have to say I am bit cynical about his much vaunted versatility. I don't think he does a particularly good job when played out of position, on the whole, and although I can applaud his commitment and efforts and willingness to take one for the team, when he's playing as a right back/RWB, I pretty much know the opposing winger is going to get past him and cause danger.

His best weapon is actually when opposing teams underrate him because he will pop up with goals, often important ones, but there is a reason they don't see him as a major threat.
"out of position"? Since he joined, under several managers,  I think I've seen him play right wing, right (wing) back, left wing, no.9, no. 10 behind the striker.  He is Mr Reliable Versatility.  A boon for any manager.
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Somerset Fulham

Quote from: Lighthouse on February 14, 2024, 05:43:25 PMHis versatility is what makes him important. He is often criticised but his work ethic is second to none. I would probably put his name on my team sheet first as he is able to slot into a few positions. Yes underrated but will always be open to criticism.

+1 (haven't seen a +1 on here for years!)

Stars and possibly even superstars come and go but he has been a constant and a very, very good one at that. How many managers have kept hold of him now?

I think he cops unfair flak at times but whenever he does cop it, he tends to come back better.

Definitely my favourite player in this current squad.


bencher

Quote from: Twig on February 14, 2024, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: bencher on February 14, 2024, 06:12:10 PMI have to say I am bit cynical about his much vaunted versatility. I don't think he does a particularly good job when played out of position, on the whole, and although I can applaud his commitment and efforts and willingness to take one for the team, when he's playing as a right back/RWB, I pretty much know the opposing winger is going to get past him and cause danger.

His best weapon is actually when opposing teams underrate him because he will pop up with goals, often important ones, but there is a reason they don't see him as a major threat.


I'm not quite clear how you know that opposing teams don't see BDR as a major threat?  Some individual players might not and others probably do. But all opposing teams? Just not sure how you arrive at that conclusion, unless it's simply because you don't see him as a threat and therefore assume opposition teams won't either?

I didn't write that all opposition teams think that way. Some might do, some not, as you say, but my point is that he isn't a player that will dazzle the opposition too often, but he has a knack of getting in dangerous positions unmarked.

bencher

Quote from: Southcoastffc on February 14, 2024, 06:49:16 PM
Quote from: bencher on February 14, 2024, 06:12:10 PMI have to say I am bit cynical about his much vaunted versatility. I don't think he does a particularly good job when played out of position, on the whole, and although I can applaud his commitment and efforts and willingness to take one for the team, when he's playing as a right back/RWB, I pretty much know the opposing winger is going to get past him and cause danger.

His best weapon is actually when opposing teams underrate him because he will pop up with goals, often important ones, but there is a reason they don't see him as a major threat.
"out of position"? Since he joined, under several managers,  I think I've seen him play right wing, right (wing) back, left wing, no.9, no. 10 behind the striker.  He is Mr Reliable Versatility.  A boon for any manager.

As I see it, if we'd had a better squad we wouldn't have needed to play him in so many positions. He is the ultimate professional in that he'll always put a shift in whatever role he's asked to fulfil, but give me a specialist for each position any day of the week.

JimmyConway

Good club player every team needs a BDR in there squad. Have to say though if you are looking at going up another level then he would be at risk especially as a regular first team starter.


The Rational Fan

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Quote from: EN1 FFC on February 14, 2024, 06:48:03 PMI've looked up that his contract comes to an end in Summer 24.At 31 will Fulham or Bobby want to renew. Should Fulham Re-new ? We will have Jay Stansfield coming back from Birmingham and we don't want to be blocking young talent. There will be Iwobi and cover with Wilson

BDR doesn't have a new contract for next season, and I think we shouldn't renew BDR contract, because with Iwobi, Willians, Traore, Wilson and Stansfield in the squad next season, I think we need to add quality starter rather than another squad player (even if BDR is marginally better than Wilson).

As for BDR versatility, its overrated as I would prefer to have some of the central defenders (e.g. Tosin or Bassey) to cover the full back positions in a full-back injury crisis, because "a full-back weak at attack" is better than "a full-back weak in defence".

Somerset Fulham

I am fairly sure I have read that contract negotiations are advanced and that Marco wants him to be here next season.

Twig

Quote from: bencher on February 14, 2024, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: Twig on February 14, 2024, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: bencher on February 14, 2024, 06:12:10 PMI have to say I am bit cynical about his much vaunted versatility. I don't think he does a particularly good job when played out of position, on the whole, and although I can applaud his commitment and efforts and willingness to take one for the team, when he's playing as a right back/RWB, I pretty much know the opposing winger is going to get past him and cause danger.

His best weapon is actually when opposing teams underrate him because he will pop up with goals, often important ones, but there is a reason they don't see him as a major threat.


I'm not quite clear how you know that opposing teams don't see BDR as a major threat?  Some individual players might not and others probably do. But all opposing teams? Just not sure how you arrive at that conclusion, unless it's simply because you don't see him as a threat and therefore assume opposition teams won't either?

I didn't write that all opposition teams think that way. Some might do, some not, as you say, but my point is that he isn't a player that will dazzle the opposition too often, but he has a knack of getting in dangerous positions unmarked.

Fair enough, I misunderstood.


H4usuallysitting

Good honest player....appears to have a good understanding with Castagne

Grassy Noel

I usually groan inwardly when he is named as a starter because I see him more as someone who can come on and relieve a 'star' player and put in a decent shift. He does not convey an attack-mindedness like Iwobi does and yet how often has he started and even been a very early goal scorer? Very often I think. He is a conundrum. You feel that he can do a good job as a holding sub and yet how often are we in a position to need one? Usually we are still chasing the game and need more adventure up front.

jarv

He gets a LOT of playing time which I think reflects how much Marco and the club value him.


Mullers OG

He showed today why he's rated so lowly by many supporters. He tries, works hard and is in many ways a proper professional. The problem is that it's difficult to see what he adds to the team. We looked so much more threatening once Wilson came on who is a proper attacking winger.

DR has his uses as cover in a number of positions from the bench but surely if we want Fulham to progress we must be able to do better.

FFC In Oz

Quote from: Mullers OG on February 17, 2024, 06:03:33 PMHe showed today why he's rated so lowly by many supporters. He tries, works hard and is in many ways a proper professional. The problem is that it's difficult to see what he adds to the team. We looked so much more threatening once Wilson came on who is a proper attacking winger.

DR has his uses as cover in a number of positions from the bench but surely if we want Fulham to progress we must be able to do better.

Bingo.

Is capable of a showing like Bournemouth then won't do anything for 4-5 games.