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Lineup for Ipswich and bench

Started by SerbianLad, August 27, 2024, 11:00:28 PM

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Bassey the warrior

Quote from: SerbianLad on August 28, 2024, 10:37:41 AMCheers @Bassey the warrior. Then in a hypothetical Diop and Andersen pairing, I'd put Diop at lcb and Andersen at rcb. Still, I'd go with Diop and Bassey for the next game at least.

Diop didn't look very comfortable at lcb last season. Surely Cuenca gets the nod if we drop Bassey?

In any case we have three Premier League cb's and one promising cb in Cuenca, albeit he's largely untested against good Premier League sides.

Bassey the warrior

Quote from: Grassy Noel on August 28, 2024, 10:40:02 AM
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Quote from: Jim© on August 28, 2024, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: btffc on August 27, 2024, 11:08:07 PMI'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.

Personally i think that's more than harsh. Diop has defended better than his partner (who's had some calamitous moments) . I think it sends out a bad message if you just kick a player onto the bench despite them playing well. Then you've got an annoyed player (perhaps with mates) who feels like the squad isn't fair. Whereas if you make that new player fight and wait to get into the team, it'll lead to more competition and harmony in the squad. As i said, if someone in the back 4 deserved to lose their place of late, it'd be Bassey.
I agree with this completely. Bassey has performed significantly worse than Diop, and if Andersen was to come in, I'd bring him on for Bassey. Diop played well at lcb before. Not sure about Andersen. Does anyone remember which one of Andersen/Tosin played at lcb when they started together in Andersen's previous spell at the club?

Tosin played lcb.

No way should Diop be dropped to make way for Andersen. Has Marco considered playing Andersen as a number 6 where his ability to beat the hard press with his passing ability would be invaluable? My guess is that Andersen is not signed up for such a move.

Andersen is too slow for number 6 in my opinion. He's a better rcb than Diop but will need to wait his turn.

Volz

My preferred squad for Ipswich:

Leno
Tete Diop Bassey Robinson
Lukic Pereira
ESR
Iwobi Muniz Stansfield


Bench:Benda, Andersen, Castagne, Cuenca, Berge, Cairney, Traore, King, Raul.

Tempted to put Berge in for Lukic just because I think he will offer a new dimension for us on counters but same reason as for keeping Diop I don't think it's fair to swap Lukic at this time.

Can never imagine Stansfield starting but one can hope.

And I want Iwobi on his best side to see what him and Tete can come up with, I have a good feeling about their potential chemistry, hoping to see some of the same quick exchanges that Tete and BDR had at their best together.


Bassey the warrior

Quote from: Sammyffc on August 28, 2024, 10:38:08 AMBassey seems to have this love in thing with the fans some players have. Maybe its because he is active on the fulham socials with Iwobi etc, but he has had significantly more clangers than diop, yet many fans would throw diop to the wolves and not touch Bassey.

Then we will hear ' oh but diop makes me nervous' ..... ok? Where are all his clangers?

Strange.

Bassey was superb last season, probably my second POTS, just behind Robinson.

Bassey the warrior

Quote from: Volz on August 28, 2024, 10:57:58 AMMy preferred squad for Ipswich:

Leno
Tete Diop Bassey Robinson
Lukic Pereira
ESR
Iwobi Muniz Stansfield


Bench:Benda, Andersen, Castagne, Cuenca, Berge, Cairney, Traore, King, Raul.

Tempted to put Berge in for Lukic just because I think he will offer a new dimension for us on counters but same reason as for keeping Diop I don't think it's fair to swap Lukic at this time.

Can never imagine Stansfield starting but one can hope.

And I want Iwobi on his best side to see what him and Tete can come up with, I have a good feeling about their potential chemistry, hoping to see some of the same quick exchanges that Tete and BDR had at their best together.

Stansfield? Just because he played well last night? Steady on now.

Grassy Noel

Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on August 28, 2024, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Sammyffc on August 28, 2024, 10:38:08 AMBassey seems to have this love in thing with the fans some players have. Maybe its because he is active on the fulham socials with Iwobi etc, but he has had significantly more clangers than diop, yet many fans would throw diop to the wolves and not touch Bassey.

Then we will hear ' oh but diop makes me nervous' ..... ok? Where are all his clangers?

Strange.
Sunderland at home last year springs immediately to mind. I'm sure others can be highlighted.

For the record I don't think Diop is a bad defender, I just think Bassey is better.

Diop's clanger at our first home game last year against Brentford sticks in my memory/gut because it went on to be a 3-0 home rout.
I think that they have their own styles of clangers. Bassey makes impetuous clangers whereas Diop's arise from dithering. Maybe fans prefer action to inertia and cut Bassey more slack than Diop.
But certainly clangers by CDs get punished more than clangers by full backs. Robinson is one lucky guy.


Volz

Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: Volz on August 28, 2024, 10:57:58 AMMy preferred squad for Ipswich:

Leno
Tete Diop Bassey Robinson
Lukic Pereira
ESR
Iwobi Muniz Stansfield


Bench:Benda, Andersen, Castagne, Cuenca, Berge, Cairney, Traore, King, Raul.

Tempted to put Berge in for Lukic just because I think he will offer a new dimension for us on counters but same reason as for keeping Diop I don't think it's fair to swap Lukic at this time.

Can never imagine Stansfield starting but one can hope.

And I want Iwobi on his best side to see what him and Tete can come up with, I have a good feeling about their potential chemistry, hoping to see some of the same quick exchanges that Tete and BDR had at their best together.

Stansfield? Just because he played well last night? Steady on now.
No, no, because I fail to see a massively better alternative. I feel Iwobi is limited there despite his goal, and who else are we realistically putting there at this point?

SerbianLad

Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 10:54:38 AM
Quote from: SerbianLad on August 28, 2024, 10:37:41 AMCheers @Bassey the warrior. Then in a hypothetical Diop and Andersen pairing, I'd put Diop at lcb and Andersen at rcb. Still, I'd go with Diop and Bassey for the next game at least.

Diop didn't look very comfortable at lcb last season. Surely Cuenca gets the nod if we drop Bassey?

In any case we have three Premier League cb's and one promising cb in Cuenca, albeit he's largely untested against good Premier League sides.
I think he did fine. He did much better at lcb than Tosin ever did, or than Bassey and Ream at rcb.

As I said, I'd stick with Bassey and Diop for now, but if Andersen was to be put in the starting 11 at this point in time, I'd prefer it if Bassey was dropped than Diop.

Also, and this isn't in response to you but rather to some fans I've seen online, who played better last season was is irrelevant. At the moment Diop is performing at a higher level than any of our centrebacks and should keep his place. In my opinion at least.

Bassey the warrior

Quote from: Volz on August 28, 2024, 11:02:32 AM
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: Volz on August 28, 2024, 10:57:58 AMMy preferred squad for Ipswich:

Leno
Tete Diop Bassey Robinson
Lukic Pereira
ESR
Iwobi Muniz Stansfield


Bench:Benda, Andersen, Castagne, Cuenca, Berge, Cairney, Traore, King, Raul.

Tempted to put Berge in for Lukic just because I think he will offer a new dimension for us on counters but same reason as for keeping Diop I don't think it's fair to swap Lukic at this time.

Can never imagine Stansfield starting but one can hope.

And I want Iwobi on his best side to see what him and Tete can come up with, I have a good feeling about their potential chemistry, hoping to see some of the same quick exchanges that Tete and BDR had at their best together.

Stansfield? Just because he played well last night? Steady on now.
No, no, because I fail to see a massively better alternative. I feel Iwobi is limited there despite his goal, and who else are we realistically putting there at this point?

Iwobi did well against Leicester and seems to have good chemistry with ESR. He'll keep his place and rightly so. Stansfield will need to impress off the bench if he's to usurp him.


Bassey the warrior

Quote from: SerbianLad on August 28, 2024, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 10:54:38 AM
Quote from: SerbianLad on August 28, 2024, 10:37:41 AMCheers @Bassey the warrior. Then in a hypothetical Diop and Andersen pairing, I'd put Diop at lcb and Andersen at rcb. Still, I'd go with Diop and Bassey for the next game at least.

Diop didn't look very comfortable at lcb last season. Surely Cuenca gets the nod if we drop Bassey?

In any case we have three Premier League cb's and one promising cb in Cuenca, albeit he's largely untested against good Premier League sides.
I think he did fine. He did much better at lcb than Tosin ever did, or than Bassey and Ream at rcb.

As I said, I'd stick with Bassey and Diop for now, but if Andersen was to be put in the starting 11 at this point in time, I'd prefer it if Bassey was dropped than Diop.

Also, and this isn't in response to you but rather to some fans I've seen online, who played better last season was is irrelevant. At the moment Diop is performing at a higher level than any of our centrebacks and should keep his place. In my opinion at least.

Fair enough but I'd keep Bassey in.

Mullers OG

We don't spend millions on a cb without intending to play him.  Andersen IMO is a considerable upgrade on Diop (not to say Diop isn't a fine cb in his own right, just that Andersen is better).  Andersen is a commanding figure at the back, good in the air, excellent distribution and a leader on the field.  Not sure Berge looked entirely fit last night.  He might have to wait his turn.  Sessegnon seems to be a back up to Robinson.  Given that Robinson is rarely injured (one hopes) Sess might have to wait some time for a premier start.  Benda and Cuenca looked to be more than adequate back ups.  Castagne unlucky to be dropped but we are lucky to have two such excellent rb. King at only 17 a star in the making.   

Grassy Noel

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Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 10:32:50 AM
Quote from: SerbianLad on August 28, 2024, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Jim© on August 28, 2024, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: btffc on August 27, 2024, 11:08:07 PMI'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.

Personally i think that's more than harsh. Diop has defended better than his partner (who's had some calamitous moments) . I think it sends out a bad message if you just kick a player onto the bench despite them playing well. Then you've got an annoyed player (perhaps with mates) who feels like the squad isn't fair. Whereas if you make that new player fight and wait to get into the team, it'll lead to more competition and harmony in the squad. As i said, if someone in the back 4 deserved to lose their place of late, it'd be Bassey.
I agree with this completely. Bassey has performed significantly worse than Diop, and if Andersen was to come in, I'd bring him on for Bassey. Diop played well at lcb before. Not sure about Andersen. Does anyone remember which one of Andersen/Tosin played at lcb when they started together in Andersen's previous spell at the club?

Tosin played lcb.

No way should Diop be dropped to make way for Andersen. Has Marco considered playing Andersen as a number 6 where his ability to beat the hard press with his passing ability would be invaluable? My guess is that Andersen is not signed up for such a move.

Andersen is too slow for number 6 in my opinion. He's a better rcb than Diop but will need to wait his turn.

If Anderson is too slow for no 6 then from what I have see so far of Berge we are heading into trouble.


Neutral Zone Ultra

Quote from: Grassy Noel on August 28, 2024, 11:12:07 AM
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: Grassy Noel on August 28, 2024, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 10:32:50 AM
Quote from: SerbianLad on August 28, 2024, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Jim© on August 28, 2024, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: btffc on August 27, 2024, 11:08:07 PMI'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.

Personally i think that's more than harsh. Diop has defended better than his partner (who's had some calamitous moments) . I think it sends out a bad message if you just kick a player onto the bench despite them playing well. Then you've got an annoyed player (perhaps with mates) who feels like the squad isn't fair. Whereas if you make that new player fight and wait to get into the team, it'll lead to more competition and harmony in the squad. As i said, if someone in the back 4 deserved to lose their place of late, it'd be Bassey.
I agree with this completely. Bassey has performed significantly worse than Diop, and if Andersen was to come in, I'd bring him on for Bassey. Diop played well at lcb before. Not sure about Andersen. Does anyone remember which one of Andersen/Tosin played at lcb when they started together in Andersen's previous spell at the club?

Tosin played lcb.

No way should Diop be dropped to make way for Andersen. Has Marco considered playing Andersen as a number 6 where his ability to beat the hard press with his passing ability would be invaluable? My guess is that Andersen is not signed up for such a move.

Andersen is too slow for number 6 in my opinion. He's a better rcb than Diop but will need to wait his turn.

If Anderson is too slow for no 6 then from what I have see so far of Berge we are heading into trouble.
Benefit of the doubt for me in that he's lacking fitness.

Volz

Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 11:07:08 AM
Quote from: Volz on August 28, 2024, 11:02:32 AM
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: Volz on August 28, 2024, 10:57:58 AMMy preferred squad for Ipswich:

Leno
Tete Diop Bassey Robinson
Lukic Pereira
ESR
Iwobi Muniz Stansfield


Bench:Benda, Andersen, Castagne, Cuenca, Berge, Cairney, Traore, King, Raul.

Tempted to put Berge in for Lukic just because I think he will offer a new dimension for us on counters but same reason as for keeping Diop I don't think it's fair to swap Lukic at this time.

Can never imagine Stansfield starting but one can hope.

And I want Iwobi on his best side to see what him and Tete can come up with, I have a good feeling about their potential chemistry, hoping to see some of the same quick exchanges that Tete and BDR had at their best together.

Stansfield? Just because he played well last night? Steady on now.
No, no, because I fail to see a massively better alternative. I feel Iwobi is limited there despite his goal, and who else are we realistically putting there at this point?

Iwobi did well against Leicester and seems to have good chemistry with ESR. He'll keep his place and rightly so. Stansfield will need to impress off the bench if he's to usurp him.

But I don't want him to usurp Iwobi, sooner the opposite, I want Iwobi on his best side, I also believe that the Robinson/Stansfield relationship can become something great in the future.

Bassey the warrior

Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on August 28, 2024, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: Grassy Noel on August 28, 2024, 11:12:07 AM
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: Grassy Noel on August 28, 2024, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 10:32:50 AM
Quote from: SerbianLad on August 28, 2024, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Jim© on August 28, 2024, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: btffc on August 27, 2024, 11:08:07 PMI'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.

Personally i think that's more than harsh. Diop has defended better than his partner (who's had some calamitous moments) . I think it sends out a bad message if you just kick a player onto the bench despite them playing well. Then you've got an annoyed player (perhaps with mates) who feels like the squad isn't fair. Whereas if you make that new player fight and wait to get into the team, it'll lead to more competition and harmony in the squad. As i said, if someone in the back 4 deserved to lose their place of late, it'd be Bassey.
I agree with this completely. Bassey has performed significantly worse than Diop, and if Andersen was to come in, I'd bring him on for Bassey. Diop played well at lcb before. Not sure about Andersen. Does anyone remember which one of Andersen/Tosin played at lcb when they started together in Andersen's previous spell at the club?

Tosin played lcb.

No way should Diop be dropped to make way for Andersen. Has Marco considered playing Andersen as a number 6 where his ability to beat the hard press with his passing ability would be invaluable? My guess is that Andersen is not signed up for such a move.

Andersen is too slow for number 6 in my opinion. He's a better rcb than Diop but will need to wait his turn.

If Anderson is too slow for no 6 then from what I have see so far of Berge we are heading into trouble.
Benefit of the doubt for me in that he's lacking fitness.

Agree, he's not played this season. He'll improve with more minutes.


SerbianLad

Quote from: Mullers OG on August 28, 2024, 11:09:28 AMWe don't spend millions on a cb without intending to play him.  Andersen IMO is a considerable upgrade on Diop (not to say Diop isn't a fine cb in his own right, just that Andersen is better).  Andersen is a commanding figure at the back, good in the air, excellent distribution and a leader on the field.  Not sure Berge looked entirely fit last night.  He might have to wait his turn.  Sessegnon seems to be a back up to Robinson.  Given that Robinson is rarely injured (one hopes) Sess might have to wait some time for a premier start.  Benda and Cuenca looked to be more than adequate back ups.  Castagne unlucky to be dropped but we are lucky to have two such excellent rb. King at only 17 a star in the making.   
That doesn't mean that he should be a starter straight away. And if you looked in the past how Marco handled this situation, they usually waited for a little while. Leno,Diop,Bassey,Iwobi, Lukic and Adama are all regular starters this season, but they all waited for their chance at first.

wback

No changes please. Against Liverpool and City, Ipswich's left back looked a bit vulnerable, so Adama will have a shot there. And their goalie is dodgy too, so hopefully Muniz can get about him and pressurise.

Feel good about this game. They'll be excited because it's their first 'winnable' game on paper, but I think they'll learn a bit about this league.

sarnian

Quote from: SerbianLad on August 28, 2024, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: Mullers OG on August 28, 2024, 11:09:28 AMWe don't spend millions on a cb without intending to play him.  Andersen IMO is a considerable upgrade on Diop (not to say Diop isn't a fine cb in his own right, just that Andersen is better).  Andersen is a commanding figure at the back, good in the air, excellent distribution and a leader on the field.  Not sure Berge looked entirely fit last night.  He might have to wait his turn.  Sessegnon seems to be a back up to Robinson.  Given that Robinson is rarely injured (one hopes) Sess might have to wait some time for a premier start.  Benda and Cuenca looked to be more than adequate back ups.  Castagne unlucky to be dropped but we are lucky to have two such excellent rb. King at only 17 a star in the making.   
That doesn't mean that he should be a starter straight away. And if you looked in the past how Marco handled this situation, they usually waited for a little while. Leno,Diop,Bassey,Iwobi, Lukic and Adama are all regular starters this season, but they all waited for their chance at first.

Agree with Mullers, Andersen has not been bought to sit on the bench, will play Saturday and could be captain with his organization skills.


Lighthouse

All the promoted sides will offer more this season than last. Ipswich have had two opening fixtures that no club would want so will look on this as a three pointer. I don't see why Diop should be dropped. He has been the standout centre half in the opening two matches for me without being spectacular.

But with one or maybe two more additions. The squad is looking good. If we don't sell anybody. I am hoping we don't diminish the present squad. Then like Leicester, the Ipswich game should be a good marker for us.
The above IS NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT. It is an opinion.

We may yet hear the horse talk.

I can stand my own despair but not others hope

Coast94

Leno
Tete, Andersen, Bassey, Robinson
Andreas, Lukic
Adama, ESR, Iwobi
Muniz

Benda, Castagne, Diop, Sessegnon, Berge, TC, Wilson, Stansfield, Raul