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Lineup for Ipswich and bench

Started by SerbianLad, August 27, 2024, 11:00:28 PM

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Jim©

Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on August 28, 2024, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Sammyffc on August 28, 2024, 10:38:08 AMThen we will hear ' oh but diop makes me nervous' ..... ok? Where are all his clangers?


Sunderland at home last year springs immediately to mind. I'm sure others can be highlighted.

For the record I don't think Diop is a bad defender, I just think Bassey is better.

We didn't play Sunderland at home last season? Perhaps you mean Sheff Utd when he just stopped running as he was injured and missed 2 months? Not a clanger really. As many have said, drop Diop and I'd be slightly disappointed with Marco.

JackHamlet90

For me away to Ipswich

            Leno

Tete Andersen Bassey Robinson

         Lukic  Berge

Iwobi      Pereira     ESR
   
            Muniz

Subs - Benda Cuenca Castagne Cairney Reed Wilson Adama Jimenez Stansfield

copthornemike

I suspect Silva will be his usual cautious self when it comes to the starting XI and repeat the Man U & Leicester starters. The changes will be on the bench.
Probably how it will carry on until the International break unless someone is injured, has a howler of a game or Ipswich turn us over.


Neutral Zone Ultra

Quote from: Jim© on August 28, 2024, 01:21:50 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on August 28, 2024, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Sammyffc on August 28, 2024, 10:38:08 AMThen we will hear ' oh but diop makes me nervous' ..... ok? Where are all his clangers?


Sunderland at home last year springs immediately to mind. I'm sure others can be highlighted.

For the record I don't think Diop is a bad defender, I just think Bassey is better.

We didn't play Sunderland at home last season? Perhaps you mean Sheff Utd when he just stopped running as he was injured and missed 2 months? Not a clanger really. As many have said, drop Diop and I'd be slightly disappointed with Marco.
Technically two seasons ago yeah, meant calendar year. Here's the link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/64348182

Matt10

While I think Silva does move slower in integrating new players, he'd be hard-pressed not to insert Andersen into the fold. That combo of Andersen-Bassey needs to work now, and what better team to try it on than Ipswich. I think Berge impressed last night as well, but Lukic hasn't done anything remotely concerning - so it's a tough call there. In addition, Iwobi and ESR are pairing up so well, while Pereira is setting everyone up. I think Berge will have to come in late to get completely up to speed.

                  Leno

  Tete  Andersen    Bassey    Jedi

          Pereira        Lukic

      Adama      ESR      Iwobi

                  Muniz

WindyCity

I don't think Berge should even be in the team.  That show v Birmingham was atrocious, brutal.  Not sure what all the hype was about, hope he is much better than he showed last night.  Clearly not fit, shouldn't see the pitch (or the bench) v Ipswich....


jayffc

Quote from: WindyCity on August 28, 2024, 03:52:06 PMI don't think Berge should even be in the team.  That show v Birmingham was atrocious, brutal.  Not sure what all the hype was about, hope he is much better than he showed last night.  Clearly not fit, shouldn't see the pitch (or the bench) v Ipswich....

Think this pretty harsh, he's gotta get minutes to get fit...he was clearly knackered after a while, has had zero pre season. But don't think he was atrocious remotely. Did some good bits did some not so good bits. I'd bench him and bring him on at 65mins if we're comfortable.

Cobh Fulham Fan

Someone made a point earlier that Stansfield cant seriously be considered a starter based on his one goal performance last night and that he would need to prove himself off the bench first.  Surely to prove yourself off the bench you need to be off the bench playing?

Secondly, Stansfield has more than one goal under his belt. He scored something like 13 for Birmingham last year , which isnt that far off Mitros tally when we were in the championship, and remember the chorus of experts who continually told us that Mitro wouldnt repeat in the premier league? 

I thought Stansfield looked more a premier league player than most of our regulars last night. 

btffc

Berge was bad last night but on a rewatch he showed a lot of promise than I originally thought. In the first half, twice he won back possession and immediately hit a through ball to a forward. Both just missed but that kind of progressive vision and desire is something we have needed in the midfield. Then on two other occasions he received the ball deep, saw space in front of him and drove the ball forward 20+ yards. Another ability our midfield doesn't have much of though Lukic has shown a little of this lately.

He is definitely lacking fitness and sharpness but those moments showed me he can be really good.


Deeping_white

Quote from: Cobh Fulham Fan on August 28, 2024, 04:39:25 PMSomeone made a point earlier that Stansfield cant seriously be considered a starter based on his one goal performance last night and that he would need to prove himself off the bench first.  Surely to prove yourself off the bench you need to be off the bench playing?

Secondly, Stansfield has more than one goal under his belt. He scored something like 13 for Birmingham last year , which isnt that far off Mitros tally when we were in the championship, and remember the chorus of experts who continually told us that Mitro wouldnt repeat in the premier league? 

I thought Stansfield looked more a premier league player than most of our regulars last night. 

Mitro in full seasons in the championship for us scored 26 and 43 goals so Jay is nowhere near those numbers?

jayffc

Quote from: Cobh Fulham Fan on August 28, 2024, 04:39:25 PMSomeone made a point earlier that Stansfield cant seriously be considered a starter based on his one goal performance last night and that he would need to prove himself off the bench first.  Surely to prove yourself off the bench you need to be off the bench playing?

Secondly, Stansfield has more than one goal under his belt. He scored something like 13 for Birmingham last year , which isnt that far off Mitros tally when we were in the championship, and remember the chorus of experts who continually told us that Mitro wouldnt repeat in the premier league? 

I thought Stansfield looked more a premier league player than most of our regulars last night. 

He deserves minutes because he took his opportunity last night. POM.
So next step is to take his next opportunity - which should be in minutes off the bench.

So for me personally that means he should leap the queue over Raul to play up top for 20-30mins in the next game and see how he gets on (especially if we're comfortably ahead by that point) If he takes that chance, then same again in the next game. If he is bagging goals and our main striker isn't - or if we're not scoring goals as a team facilitated by Muniz  doing other things weel (even if he personally isn't scoring) - then he starts to knock on that door and it'd be up to him to take THAT next opportunity if it arises.

If Marco prefers to stick with bringing on Raul, then perhaps he comes on at LW again for Iwobi at the same point of the game.


Chi_FFC

I'd like to see Andersen in for Diop (unchanged otherwise) but given Marco's history/the fact we're coming off a win I suspect it will be the same 11 from Leicester. Andersen/Bassey is clearly going to be our preferred pairing going forward as Joachim is a better defender, much better passer and MUCH less error prone than Diop so as far as I'm concerned there's no sense in waiting another week (or two) to trot them out together.


McBrideOfFrankenstein

I think it's tough to take anything from the underwhelming midfield performances last night after we went up 2-0.

The urgency of a league game was absent, likely at the instruction of the manager, and we were facing an energetic side keen to get back in the game. I'll wait a bit to pass judgement on the midfielders.

Did anyone else notice TC carry the ball from the defensive third to the attacking through their team three times in the second half? It's probably not something he would even try against PL opposition and it's almost as if he was making a point after his lackluster first half.

Lighthouse

Ipswich have just been knocked out on penalties 4-2 by AFC Wimbledon. So will need a boost against us.
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FFC1987

Quote from: Lighthouse on August 28, 2024, 09:52:09 PMIpswich have just been knocked out on penalties 4-2 by AFC Wimbledon. So will need a boost against us.

Started a number of new signings including Clarke and Phillips as well so there lineup will be interesting too. Personally, I wouldn't drop Lukic or Diop. It's there position to lose and unless both have been shocking in training, I think both will start. I certainly didn't see enough from Berge to dislodge Lukic but as others have said, he needs minutes in the legs so I'd imagine he comes in at 60-70 mins.


Hatch007

Against Ipswich I think Marco will stick with the same starting XI that faced Leicester and bring Andersen and Berge on to the next for Sess and Reed

Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: WindyCity on August 28, 2024, 03:52:06 PMI don't think Berge should even be in the team.  That show v Birmingham was atrocious, brutal.  Not sure what all the hype was about, hope he is much better than he showed last night.  Clearly not fit, shouldn't see the pitch (or the bench) v Ipswich....

Do not despair, Berge will come good, be rest assured he will make an impact when his conditioning has improved.
It's a long season and our depth in strength shall be severely tested over the coming months by injuries, illness, loss of form and any suspensions.
Therefore it is one game at a time, look no further.
Ipswich Town stand between Fulham and three precious points, so Silva has to pick a team that will save his life.
Including match winning subs, and match saving subs.
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jayffc

Quote from: Lighthouse on August 28, 2024, 09:52:09 PMIpswich have just been knocked out on penalties 4-2 by AFC Wimbledon. So will need a boost against us.

Yeh, rough start to the season for them so they'll be desperate for a win at home this week.

Let's hope we're well up for it and put that to bed categorically. Looking forward to this one and only down the road from the Mr's family so making a weekend of it!


FFC1987

Quote from: jayffc on August 29, 2024, 09:29:26 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 28, 2024, 09:52:09 PMIpswich have just been knocked out on penalties 4-2 by AFC Wimbledon. So will need a boost against us.

Yeh, rough start to the season for them so they'll be desperate for a win at home this week.

Let's hope we're well up for it and put that to bed categorically. Looking forward to this one and only down the road from the Mr's family so making a weekend of it!

They made about 10 changes but included new signings, a bit like us, so we'll have to see the difference in approach to new signings between McKenna and Silva. Where abouts are the family from Jay? (DM me if private) as my family still live in and around Suffolk, namely Woodbridge, and Rendlesham.

SuffolkWhite

Happy to meet up with any of you on the board on Saturday.

The pub opposite the train station is the away pub, I'll be in there from 12.30 ish.

There are other pubs about, but most have bouncers, so if your wearing your colours you may not get in.

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