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Third striker

Started by 3 pigs, April 10, 2025, 08:26:22 AM

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3 pigs

Asssuming most are happy with Jimenez and Muniz but not so with Vinicius who should replace him?

Maybe Marco favourite and Tottenham idol Richarlson. Seems to fit our model of reviving faltered careers. Any takers?

Whitestone

Quote from: 3 pigs on April 10, 2025, 08:26:22 AMAsssuming most are happy with Jimenez and Muniz but not so with Vinicius who should replace him?

Maybe Marco favourite and Tottenham idol Richarlson. Seems to fit our model of reviving faltered careers. Any takers?

Good player who is regularly injured and misses multiple games every season. On that basis absolutely not.

Count Flapula

Quote from: Whitestone on April 10, 2025, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: 3 pigs on April 10, 2025, 08:26:22 AMAsssuming most are happy with Jimenez and Muniz but not so with Vinicius who should replace him?

Maybe Marco favourite and Tottenham idol Richarlson. Seems to fit our model of reviving faltered careers. Any takers?

Good player who is regularly injured and misses multiple games every season. On that basis absolutely not.

Hardly ever missed a game for Everton, only real injury plagued season is this season - prior to that it was more personal issues as per reports.

Feels like exactly the type of player Marco can - and has - get a tune out of so if he wanted him then you wouldn't hear me complain.

That being said, if Marco didn't want him I wouldn't complain either.

Essentially, in Marco we trust!


General

Quote from: Whitestone on April 10, 2025, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: 3 pigs on April 10, 2025, 08:26:22 AMAsssuming most are happy with Jimenez and Muniz but not so with Vinicius who should replace him?

Maybe Marco favourite and Tottenham idol Richarlson. Seems to fit our model of reviving faltered careers. Any takers?

Good player who is regularly injured and misses multiple games every season. On that basis absolutely not.

Does Sessegnon's revival not make you question yourself at all?

ESR was a sick note before joining us, and whilst he may have the 'jury' still out on him, has remained fit for most of the season..

Jimenez had hardly scored and was playing intermittently at Wolves post injury, and now is winning cups, being the difference maker for the national team and with us.

Calvin Bassey was scapegoated as the reason behind Ajax's poor season prior to joining us.. he was our MOTM against the league leaders liverpool who had only lost one match prior to us playing them.

We got Pantsil, Etuhu from their respective clubs reserve teams, Andersen and Tete were bit part players at Lyon before joining us..

In fact, if there's ever anything that is a truth in football is that a player can dramatically change their own circumstances health and performance wise, simply by switching clubs.

Now, I'm not necessarily in favour of Richarlison, he's historically had quite a big ego behind him and I think Marco would ant to preserve the club unity we've got, but it's seemingly worked with some relatively big name players..

Big ego's under Marco get ditched quite quickly - Manor Solomon being the most obvious recent example.

That being said, if a player who's not performing or on a reduced transfer fee and wage because of it comes along and Marco thinks he can get them playing well, then I'm happy to trust Marco.

If Richarlison came in, lost the ego and just enjoyed being part of the squad, team and contributed - none of us would have any issues. He's fit the Portuguese speaking contingent/vibe going on at the club.

He is still also only 27, but would probably not have much resale value to us.

Snibbo

Quote from: General on April 10, 2025, 08:56:43 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on April 10, 2025, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: 3 pigs on April 10, 2025, 08:26:22 AMAsssuming most are happy with Jimenez and Muniz but not so with Vinicius who should replace him?

Maybe Marco favourite and Tottenham idol Richarlson. Seems to fit our model of reviving faltered careers. Any takers?

Good player who is regularly injured and misses multiple games every season. On that basis absolutely not.


Big ego's under Marco get ditched quite quickly - Manor Solomon being the most obvious recent example.



Did Solomon have a big ego? Not contradicting you, just thought he was a fairly typical pro who moves wherever he can get a better contract with a (as it turned out, incorrectly) a more successful team.

Being loaned to a Championship team will have been a blow if his ego was that big.

Him and James are ripping up the Championship with Leeds, but as we know, the Prem is a very different challenge.

hopper

Someone like Richarlison who can play on the side or through the middle is exactly the profile we need in my opinion.

Muniz and Raul can't play on the wing, so if we want to bring someone in of quality, they'd ideally start on the wing but be an option through the middle.


The Little Dave

Quote from: General on April 10, 2025, 08:56:43 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on April 10, 2025, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: 3 pigs on April 10, 2025, 08:26:22 AMAsssuming most are happy with Jimenez and Muniz but not so with Vinicius who should replace him?

Maybe Marco favourite and Tottenham idol Richarlson. Seems to fit our model of reviving faltered careers. Any takers?

Good player who is regularly injured and misses multiple games every season. On that basis absolutely not.

Does Sessegnon's revival not make you question yourself at all?

ESR was a sick note before joining us, and whilst he may have the 'jury' still out on him, has remained fit for most of the season..

Jimenez had hardly scored and was playing intermittently at Wolves post injury, and now is winning cups, being the difference maker for the national team and with us.

Calvin Bassey was scapegoated as the reason behind Ajax's poor season prior to joining us.. he was our MOTM against the league leaders liverpool who had only lost one match prior to us playing them.

We got Pantsil, Etuhu from their respective clubs reserve teams, Andersen and Tete were bit part players at Lyon before joining us..

In fact, if there's ever anything that is a truth in football is that a player can dramatically change their own circumstances health and performance wise, simply by switching clubs.

Now, I'm not necessarily in favour of Richarlison, he's historically had quite a big ego behind him and I think Marco would ant to preserve the club unity we've got, but it's seemingly worked with some relatively big name players..

Big ego's under Marco get ditched quite quickly - Manor Solomon being the most obvious recent example.

That being said, if a player who's not performing or on a reduced transfer fee and wage because of it comes along and Marco thinks he can get them playing well, then I'm happy to trust Marco.

If Richarlison came in, lost the ego and just enjoyed being part of the squad, team and contributed - none of us would have any issues. He's fit the Portuguese speaking contingent/vibe going on at the club.

He is still also only 27, but would probably not have much resale value to us.


I would normally be 100% against it, but because he have the champion of turning around players in Marco Silva, and he has a history with Richarlison I'd be open to the idea. The price obviously has to be right, and Richarlison is going to have to swallow his ego, but we may be the club to help him do that. If he can let go and start having fun playing football again, great things could happen.

I do share the concern that 2/3 strikers would essentially have zero sell on. If Richarlison crashes with us no one is going to take the chance and if he does well we'd hopefully have him till he is done.

Whitestone

Quote from: General on April 10, 2025, 08:56:43 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on April 10, 2025, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: 3 pigs on April 10, 2025, 08:26:22 AMAsssuming most are happy with Jimenez and Muniz but not so with Vinicius who should replace him?

Maybe Marco favourite and Tottenham idol Richarlson. Seems to fit our model of reviving faltered careers. Any takers?

Quote from: General on April 10, 2025, 08:56:43 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on April 10, 2025, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: 3 pigs on April 10, 2025, 08:26:22 AMAsssuming most are happy with Jimenez and Muniz but not so with Vinicius who should replace him?

Maybe Marco favourite and Tottenham idol Richarlson. Seems to fit our model of reviving faltered careers. Any takers?

Good player who is regularly injured and misses multiple games every season. On that basis absolutely not.

Does Sessegnon's revival not make you question yourself at all?

ESR was a sick note before joining us, and whilst he may have the 'jury' still out on him, has remained fit for most of the season..

Jimenez had hardly scored and was playing intermittently at Wolves post injury, and now is winning cups, being the difference maker for the national team and with us.

Calvin Bassey was scapegoated as the reason behind Ajax's poor season prior to joining us.. he was our MOTM against the league leaders liverpool who had only lost one match prior to us playing them.

We got Pantsil, Etuhu from their respective clubs reserve teams, Andersen and Tete were bit part players at Lyon before joining us..

In fact, if there's ever anything that is a truth in football is that a player can dramatically change their own circumstances health and performance wise, simply by switching clubs.

Now, I'm not necessarily in favour of Richarlison, he's historically had quite a big ego behind him and I think Marco would ant to preserve the club unity we've got, but it's seemingly worked with some relatively big name players..

Big ego's under Marco get ditched quite quickly - Manor Solomon being the most obvious recent example.

That being said, if a player who's not performing or on a reduced transfer fee and wage because of it comes along and Marco thinks he can get them playing well, then I'm happy to trust Marco.

If Richarlison came in, lost the ego and just enjoyed being part of the squad, team and contributed - none of us would have any issues. He's fit the Portuguese speaking contingent/vibe going on at the club.

He is still also only 27, but would probably not have much resale value to us.

Good player who is regularly injured and misses multiple games every season. On that basis absolutely not.

Does Sessegnon's revival not make you question yourself at all?


Sessesgnon is one of our own and there was no transfer fee involved. Richarlison would probably cost somewhere in the region of £25 million and would most likely demand higher wages than Sess is currently on. I recognise that Sessegnon has had his injury issues but IMO he was less of a gamble than Richarlison would be. It is worth noting that over the last three seasons Richarlison has played a total of 3749 minutes of football which equates to approximately 41 matches overall and no more than 14 games a season during that period. A gamble not worth risking when there are undoubtedly other players out there without the baggage that comes with Richarlison.

Craven Mad

I'd be open to Richarlison for the right price.

I think Spurs have some sort of injury curse, so I'm not holding his limited game time against him. If he can pass our medical, that should be enough.

Having said that, I think Marco would need to understand where Richarlison's head's at, as our club seems to have a great 'dressing room atmosphere' right now and we don't need a stroppy prima donna bringing down the mood.

My understanding is that, with the World Cup on the way, Richarlison knows that Brazil's LW is taken by Vini, RW by Raphinha/Rodrygo, so has been trying to claim the CF position for himself. If that's the case, he may not be willing to play second fiddle to Muniz and/or play at LW for us, which would be fine but probably not the right fit for us.


Bassey the warrior

Richarlison cost Spurs £60m, assuming they accept a lower fee I can't see them dropping it drastically, they're not Man Utd.

So I don't see that as a goer.

We Are Premier League

Unless we qualify for Europe...I don't think one is needed. Basically haven't use one for years. Only really needed if we get a very bad injury. Many games are played while the transfer window is open, so we can buy a replacement if injuries hit. Would prefer if we signed someone like Samuel Chukwueze instead.

Sammyffc

Personally think we are absolutely CRYING out for a quick striker, an Andy Johnson type.


JimmyConway

Centre forward/s are going to be at a premium this summer transfer window. Not sure if we are likely to be shopping in the middle to lower chain of striker either way it's the number one position. Richarlison I would personally swerve on the basis of injury record temperament plus does he score more than Jiminez throughout an season?
Portuguese football outside the three big guns normally offer good value for striker/s.

Thailand Mick

If we want to jump to the next level, we have to sign quality players who are going to cost a lot but if they make the difference to give us regular European football they will pay it back. I know I sound like a broken record but for me Viktor Osimhen would be the one at 60m (his release clause) and I would release Raul and sign another young player to play on the left wing that could also play down the middle as well as a goal scoring number 10(especially if esr doesn't come good next season) with the likelihood of Periera leaving to give us a front line like this. A new right back to replace Tete would make it four new signings.

                                 OSIMHEN/muniz
IWOBI/new young winger                                SESSEGNON/wilson
                                ESR/new number 10


Sting of the North

Quote from: Thailand Mick on April 10, 2025, 12:44:57 PMIf we want to jump to the next level, we have to sign quality players who are going to cost a lot but if they make the difference to give us regular European football they will pay it back. I know I sound like a broken record but for me Viktor Osimhen would be the one at 60m (his release clause) and I would release Raul and sign another young player to play on the left wing that could also play down the middle as well as a goal scoring number 10(especially if esr doesn't come good next season) with the likelihood of Periera leaving to give us a front line like this. A new right back to replace Tete would make it four new signings.

                                 OSIMHEN/muniz
IWOBI/new young winger                                SESSEGNON/wilson
                                ESR/new number 10



I think Osimhen is in too high demand to consider us even if we get Europe. He will go to a regular top CL club or a huge club like Man Utd that will pay wages that are out of our league. I think the chance of us getting him this summer is very close to zero.

We have however been interested in players like Guirassy and Cherki the last few windoews before they took another step up in quality. We did not get them, but maybe with Europe we would have. That is the level we need I believe, someone that is almost at that top level but not quite there yet.


St Eve

A huge no from me. Way too much baggage

Thailand Mick

Quote from: Sting of the North on April 10, 2025, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: Thailand Mick on April 10, 2025, 12:44:57 PMIf we want to jump to the next level, we have to sign quality players who are going to cost a lot but if they make the difference to give us regular European football they will pay it back. I know I sound like a broken record but for me Viktor Osimhen would be the one at 60m (his release clause) and I would release Raul and sign another young player to play on the left wing that could also play down the middle as well as a goal scoring number 10(especially if esr doesn't come good next season) with the likelihood of Periera leaving to give us a front line like this. A new right back to replace Tete would make it four new signings.

                                 OSIMHEN/muniz
IWOBI/new young winger                                SESSEGNON/wilson
                                ESR/new number 10



I think Osimhen is in too high demand to consider us even if we get Europe. He will go to a regular top CL club or a huge club like Man Utd that will pay wages that are out of our league. I think the chance of us getting him this summer is very close to zero.

We have however been interested in players like Guirassy and Cherki the last few windoews before they took another step up in quality. We did not get them, but maybe with Europe we would have. That is the level we need I believe, someone that is almost at that top level but not quite there yet.
Admitted that its only gossip but it's been reported he wants to play in the premier league, Arsenal seems to be linked with many strikers but not Osimhen, Chelsea is heavily link with Delap which would fit with their younger signings plan, Man City Don't need a striker, Spurs have just brought Solanki and I don't think Levy Buys players that won't produce a profit,Im sure Iwobi and Bassey could sell it to him.

C Block

I wouldn't mind betting Arsenal get in touch telling us about the availability of Trossard,
(Wouldn't be my choice)
He won't be featuring for them next season as their entire front line is due an overhaul and recent history has shown that there is a line of communication between us and Arsenal as far as transfers are concerned.


Sammyffc

Osimhen? come on, i thought this was supposed to be a serious conversation  :slap:

hopper

Quote from: Sammyffc on April 10, 2025, 01:34:17 PMOsimhen? come on, i thought this was supposed to be a serious conversation  :slap:


Yeah, we have to be serious here - in no world are we getting Victor Osimhen