FoF MOTM Fulham 0 V 1 West Hamand post match thread = Diop

[SerbianLad]

Having voted earlier for Diop (faute de mieux, in the absence of a worthy contender) on the grounds that he did nothing wrong, he did share some responsibility for the defensive mess which created the goal.  He and Leno were both indecisive in dealing with the initial long ball, which led to the Leno and Bassey confusion.

But if you look at the replay, Leno came off right on time in the end, but for whatever reason, after his initial contact with the ball, he stood still instead of clearing the ball. I don't think Bassey or Diop are at fault at all. It was all on Leno.

[SerbianLad]

https://x.com/WestHam/status/2029338602669543611

This is what I'm talking about. If you look at the video, Diop does his job well, imo. He blocks off their player, in a similar way you do when you want to win a goal kick for example. Leno comes out right on time. I have no problem with Bassey's position either. Leno makes a contact with the ball, and he's still the player closest to the ball, but instead of clearing it or even trying to pass it to someone, he stands still. He's 100% at fault for their goal.

[hopper]

https://x.com/WestHam/status/2029338602669543611

This is what I'm talking about. If you look at the video, Diop does his job well, imo. He blocks off their player, in a similar way you do when you want to win a goal kick for example. Leno comes out right on time. I have no problem with Bassey's position either. Leno makes a contact with the ball, and he's still the player closest to the ball, but instead of clearing it or even trying to pass it to someone, he stands still. He's 100% at fault for their goal.

This strikes me as one of many examples of us not being that streetwise, once you've put yourself in so much danger one of the outfield players has to do anything possible to just take a west ham player out and take the yellow, much like the United winner too. We're poor at that.

[KentFulham]

https://x.com/WestHam/status/2029338602669543611

This is what I'm talking about. If you look at the video, Diop does his job well, imo. He blocks off their player, in a similar way you do when you want to win a goal kick for example. Leno comes out right on time. I have no problem with Bassey's position either. Leno makes a contact with the ball, and he's still the player closest to the ball, but instead of clearing it or even trying to pass it to someone, he stands still. He's 100% at fault for their goal.

He does, though in my opinion he should have headed to the goal line once Leno chested the ball to cover as the nearest player, we end up with 3 defenders and a GK all trying to block a shot around the edge of the box.

A bit like when Wilson scored at Spurs away, Vicaro totally at fault, but no Spurs player considered covering the goal.

[SerbianLad]

This strikes me as one of many examples of us not being that streetwise, once you've put yourself in so much danger one of the outfield players has to do anything possible to just take a west ham player out and take the yellow, much like the United winner too. We're poor at that.

Not sure who could have made a foul and not get a red. Maybe Berge?

[SerbianLad]

He does, though in my opinion he should have headed to the goal line once Leno chested the ball to cover as the nearest player, we end up with 3 defenders and a GK all trying to block a shot around the edge of the box.

A bit like when Wilson scored at Spurs away, Vicaro totally at fault, but no Spurs player considered covering the goal.

Maybe, but I feel like there maybe wasn't enough time for that.

In some ways Leno's mistake is even worse, because he was in full control over the situation. Vicario made a poor pass under pressure, while Leno froze for no apparent reason.



I mean this is his position before he stopped. I don't blame any of our other players there.

[hopper]

This strikes me as one of many examples of us not being that streetwise, once you've put yourself in so much danger one of the outfield players has to do anything possible to just take a west ham player out and take the yellow, much like the United winner too. We're poor at that.

Not sure who could have made a foul and not get a red. Maybe Berge?

Yeah Berge is a repeat offender at not taking a necessary yellow. I was thinking Bassey too, but he does foul the first man in fact and then the play gets away from him.

[SerbianLad]

Yeah Berge is a repeat offender at not taking a necessary yellow. I was thinking Bassey too, but he does foul the first man in fact and then the play gets away from him.

Watching it carefully, yeah, maybe you're right. He makes a half hearted attempt to tackle him but gets dribbled by their player pretty easily. He probably should have just clattered him.

[Matt10]

He does, though in my opinion he should have headed to the goal line once Leno chested the ball to cover as the nearest player, we end up with 3 defenders and a GK all trying to block a shot around the edge of the box.

A bit like when Wilson scored at Spurs away, Vicaro totally at fault, but no Spurs player considered covering the goal.

Maybe, but I feel like there maybe wasn't enough time for that.

In some ways Leno's mistake is even worse, because he was in full control over the situation. Vicario made a poor pass under pressure, while Leno froze for no apparent reason.



I mean this is his position before he stopped. I don't blame any of our other players there.

Just looks like simple misunderstanding to me. Neither player wanted to be aggressive to the ball. This frame it's set up perfectly for Bassey to hoof it with his left foot. Problem is Bassey keeps backing up in the following frames because he's giving space for Leno. Neither of them make a decision.

We could still recover and I'd blame Berge for not diving in to take out Summerville, but instead he's prepared for the winger to go to the right instead of the left and he's been done with that fake that suggested it. I think in hindsight Diop should immediately be stepping with Berge, but is covering the goal instead. Gives that bit of daylight that forces Leno to step instead rather than get into a better angle.

[Whitestone]

Jiminez for me. He worked his socks off and was so much better than Muniz who replaced him. Diop was excellent again but I can't help feeling he was the wrong pick by Marco for this particular game. West Ham were poor and didn't put us under pressure for much of the game. We really missed Andersen's passing range from the back.

[SerbianLad]

Just looks like simple misunderstanding to me. Neither player wanted to be aggressive to the ball. This frame it's set up perfectly for Bassey to hoof it with his left foot. Problem is Bassey keeps backing up in the following frames because he's giving space for Leno. Neither of them make a decision.

We could still recover and I'd blame Berge for not diving in to take out Summerville, but instead he's prepared for the winger to go to the right instead of the left and he's been done with that fake that suggested it. I think in hindsight Diop should immediately be stepping with Berge, but is covering the goal instead. Gives that bit of daylight that forces Leno to step instead rather than get into a better angle.

At the end of the day, when a goalkeeper comes off his line, he should just boot it. In my opinion at least. Diop for example was sure Leno was going to do that, hence why he shielded the ball from their defender. Looking at the clip, Bassey seems to be expecting the same thing.

Only player that could arguably have done something better is Berge, in my opinion at least.

[Chi_FFC]

One thing worth mentioning re the performance last night is that we went into this game coming off only two days of rest. I mention this because I've seen a lot of criticism of Marco making changes to the lineup that won against Spurs on Sunday. I would be willing to bet the short turnaround time had an impact on that lineup. I suspect that there were "sports science" reasons for some of the changes. By that I mean the training staff said something like player x and y should not be starting two matches three days apart. For example, look at what Marco said about Oscar Bobb the other day.
https://x.com/jackellyffc/status/2028961364975427899?s=20

[Twig]

One thing worth mentioning re the performance last night is that we went into this game coming off only two days of rest. I mention this because I've seen a lot of criticism of Marco making changes to the lineup that won against Spurs on Sunday. I would be willing to bet the short turnaround time had an impact on that lineup. I suspect that there were "sports science" reasons for some of the changes. By that I mean the training staff said something like player x and y should not be starting two matches three days apart. For example, look at what Marco said about Oscar Bobb the other day.
https://x.com/jackellyffc/status/2028961364975427899?s=20

That may be the case but how the hell is a mid 30's CF who runs his socks off every match able to play after just 2 days rest, when sports science requires that younger players must be rested?

[SerbianLad]

That may be the case but how the hell is a mid 30's CF who runs his socks off every match able to play after just 2 days rest, when sports science requires that younger players must be rested?

Maybe our other option (a striker who just came back from a serious surgery) was in worse condition in terms of physical tests?

[Matt10]

One thing worth mentioning re the performance last night is that we went into this game coming off only two days of rest. I mention this because I've seen a lot of criticism of Marco making changes to the lineup that won against Spurs on Sunday. I would be willing to bet the short turnaround time had an impact on that lineup. I suspect that there were "sports science" reasons for some of the changes. By that I mean the training staff said something like player x and y should not be starting two matches three days apart. For example, look at what Marco said about Oscar Bobb the other day.
https://x.com/jackellyffc/status/2028961364975427899?s=20

That may be the case but how the hell is a mid 30's CF who runs his socks off every match able to play after just 2 days rest, when sports science requires that younger players must be rested?

Wasn't King recovering from injury as well? Hamstring injury to Bobb, that's easy to re-aggravate.

Goes to show how valuable Raul is, but I'd also say someone like Sander Berge who has the second most minutes played behind Leno.

[fulhamfever]

Just looks like simple misunderstanding to me. Neither player wanted to be aggressive to the ball. This frame it's set up perfectly for Bassey to hoof it with his left foot. Problem is Bassey keeps backing up in the following frames because he's giving space for Leno. Neither of them make a decision.

We could still recover and I'd blame Berge for not diving in to take out Summerville, but instead he's prepared for the winger to go to the right instead of the left and he's been done with that fake that suggested it. I think in hindsight Diop should immediately be stepping with Berge, but is covering the goal instead. Gives that bit of daylight that forces Leno to step instead rather than get into a better angle.

At the end of the day, when a goalkeeper comes off his line, he should just boot it. In my opinion at least. Diop for example was sure Leno was going to do that, hence why he shielded the ball from their defender. Looking at the clip, Bassey seems to be expecting the same thing.

Only player that could arguably have done something better is Berge, in my opinion at least.

Exactly don't come off your line or out the area unless you are gonna commit to getting rid of the danger and kicking that ball out.

[Super Mick]

Having voted earlier for Diop (faute de mieux, in the absence of a worthy contender) on the grounds that he did nothing wrong, he did share some responsibility for the defensive mess which created the goal.  He and Leno were both indecisive in dealing with the initial long ball, which led to the Leno and Bassey confusion.

But if you look at the replay, Leno came off right on time in the end, but for whatever reason, after his initial contact with the ball, he stood still instead of clearing the ball. I don't think Bassey or Diop are at fault at all. It was all on Leno.

100% Leno

[Angus Telford]

We're talking about Berge willingly taking a card as if it's inconceivable that he could have just put in a legal tackle or even just blocked the shot. Running past the player as he did was really naive and poor. It would have been a bread and butter challenge for Palhinha or maybe even Reed, no goal.

[SerbianLad]

We're talking about Berge willingly taking a card as if it's inconceivable that he could have just put in a legal tackle or even just blocked the shot. Running past the player as he did was really naive and poor. It would have been a bread and butter challenge for Palhinha or maybe even Reed, no goal.

I agree on both players. Lukic would have fouled him/tried to tackle him definitely. He probably makes too many fouls, but he definitely always makes those tactical fouls at least. I even think TC might have done more there.

I didn't notice that yesterday, but after seeing the video a 100 more times today, Berge was very poor for that goal too. I still completely blame Leno for it, but Berge should have done better definitely.