We've been linked with him for a while but today the rumours have really ramped up with some suggesting it could be announced in the next couple days, have heard he has quality but have only seen small amounts. Anyone know how close the deal is or how good he actually is?
Cairney was one of the stand out players in a fairly steady Blackburn side. A very good signing if true and a good piece in a puzzle if we're actually aiming for promotion.
Cairney sustained a serious knee injury in late August 2012, following a reckless tackle by Doncaster's James Husband in a League Cup tie. Steve Bruce later described the challenge as a "horror tackle".(from Wiki)
Should make for an interesting meeting in training if Cairney signs and Husband is still with the club. Kiss and make up?
So nice to be buying players in their 20s and not 30s!
Few tweets flying about Twitter(yeah I know) that its practically a done deal, £3.5 million figure mentioned.
Only slightly worrying thing is there seems to be nothing on the Rovers messageboards
Closer than you think
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on June 21, 2015, 08:02:21 PM
Few tweets flying about Twitter(yeah I know) that its practically a done deal, £3.5 million figure mentioned.
Only slightly worrying thing is there seems to be nothing on the Rovers messageboards
There wasn't a lot on the Rotherham Mb's about Pringle either before he joined. A few saying he wouldn't sign an ew contract, but no real mention about Fulham.
Quote from: MJG on June 21, 2015, 08:15:55 PM
Closer than you think
Yee know too much! Spill, SPILL!
Quote from: MJG on June 21, 2015, 08:15:55 PM
Closer than you think
That sounds cryptic share the news
Been told today it's all done, so like everyone just waiting for full announcement. Think this week could be busy.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 21, 2015, 08:16:51 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on June 21, 2015, 08:02:21 PM
Few tweets flying about Twitter(yeah I know) that its practically a done deal, £3.5 million figure mentioned.
Only slightly worrying thing is there seems to be nothing on the Rovers messageboards
There wasn't a lot on the Rotherham Mb's about Pringle either before he joined. A few saying he wouldn't sign an ew contract, but no real mention about Fulham.
He had left them. His contract was up and he was not renewing.
Quote from: MJG on June 21, 2015, 08:29:39 PM
Been told today it's all done, so like everyone just waiting for full announcement. Think this week could be busy.
Fantastic I think even the most grumpy will crack a smile over this. I've also heard a much improved bid for Dunk has gone in
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on June 21, 2015, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 21, 2015, 08:29:39 PM
Been told today it's all done, so like everyone just waiting for full announcement. Think this week could be busy.
Fantastic I think even the most grumpy will crack a smile over this. I've also heard a much improved bid for Dunk has gone in
I might be happy with this... Maybe.
It looks like we mean business.
is he a striker as he wears the number 10, although his stats suggest not
Quote from: MJG on June 21, 2015, 08:29:39 PM
Been told today it's all done, so like everyone just waiting for full announcement. Think this week could be busy.
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24 years old, long rangy legs, can play wide right, in the middle or behind the striker. Great left foot. He sits in the top 20 in the division for pass success (of those that have played a minimum of 20 games). Cairney is also in the top 10 in the division for key passes, above the likes of Matt Ritchie, Ross McCormack, Bryan Ruiz and a tonne of others. Funnily, should we sign Jamie O'Hara and Tom Cairney, we'd have three, including Ben Pringle, of the (statistically) most creative players in the division from last season, all three were in the top ten for key passes.
I think he'd play off of the right here, though obviously we'll learn more over pre-season. Oh, and signing him first would help that conversation. Would be a good signing, could be cheaper than it should really be given Blackburn's financial issues and it would ease the pressure on selling both Rhodes and Gestede. £3m's a good chunk of our budget (presumably) but without selling our premiere talent, it's not bad really. I'd be happy with this, and proves we're working quickly, efficiently and smartly. Happy with what's been done so far, happy with what I've heard despite no work - I'm just happy, though lets see how this goes.
This would be a great signing at a really good price.
Very excited.
Very decent signing if it goes through. Cairney & Pringle are certainly an improvement
Good signing.
Lets tempt Rhodes as well while we're negotiating.
I like the increased competition, but I think our youth have the ability to surpass these players in their own careers in time by quite a bit. Seeing as that's the case, then is buying in these players who would possibly want first team football be hindering something else greater or will it balance itself out well enough?!
Quote from: General on June 21, 2015, 11:50:02 PM
I like the increased competition, but I think our youth have the ability to surpass these players in their own careers in time by quite a bit. Seeing as that's the case, then is buying in these players who would possibly want first team football be hindering something else greater or will it balance itself out well enough?!
Dilemma we have is getting back to the Premiership as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, the longer we're in it, the hard it is to get out, just ask teams like Blackburn, Ipswich etc. Due to the mess left from Magath, we're a) lucky to still be in the Championship and b) still in a position to attract good players, and that needs to be the priority right now. Yes, it'd be nice to bleed a few more of these youngsters in, but are they in a position to help us get promoted, and within the next couple of seasons?
If we get Cairney then all we desperately need is a physically strong holding midfielder and our midfield is set. How about giving Jose a call and ask for Chalobah on loan?
Cairney, LVC, Chalobah and Pringle would be a huge upgrade on what we had to put up with last season.
Good to see we're signing proven players in this division.
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Quote from: General on June 21, 2015, 11:50:02 PM
I like the increased competition, but I think our youth have the ability to surpass these players in their own careers in time by quite a bit. Seeing as that's the case, then is buying in these players who would possibly want first team football be hindering something else greater or will it balance itself out well enough?!
Dilemma we have is getting back to the Premiership as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, the longer we're in it, the hard it is to get out, just ask teams like Blackburn, Ipswich etc. Due to the mess left from Magath, we're a) lucky to still be in the Championship and b) still in a position to attract good players, and that needs to be the priority right now. Yes, it'd be nice to bleed a few more of these youngsters in, but are they in a position to help us get promoted, and within the next couple of seasons?
An early return to the PL would help in retaining some of the young talent. That's why last season was so important and we will almost certainly suffer some losses as a result. So far, the declaration of intent for this by these nice signings should mitigate too much leaching.
I hope this gets announced today or tomorrow, really hoping it happens!
Quote from: twang on June 22, 2015, 12:05:08 AM
If we get Cairney then all we desperately need is a physically strong holding midfielder and our midfield is set. How about giving Jose a call and ask for Chalobah on loan?
Cairney, LVC, Chalobah and Pringle would be a huge upgrade on what we had to put up with last season.
LVC, Cairny, Parker , Pringle. sounds alright to me with competition from Roberts, Hyndman, Tunnicliffe ,Kavanagh. No need for any more midfielders so the next urgent signings have to be a left back and a central defender.
Quote from: filham on June 22, 2015, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: twang on June 22, 2015, 12:05:08 AM
If we get Cairney then all we desperately need is a physically strong holding midfielder and our midfield is set. How about giving Jose a call and ask for Chalobah on loan?
Cairney, LVC, Chalobah and Pringle would be a huge upgrade on what we had to put up with last season.
LVC, Cairny, Parker , Pringle. sounds alright to me with competition from Roberts, Hyndman, Tunnicliffe ,Kavanagh. No need for any more midfielders so the next urgent signings have to be a left back and a central defender.
I'd not consider Kavanagh as an option, add Williams when fit and possibly O'hara if he joins and lots of competition and room to keep players fit, fresh and happy. Especially if we go down the route of playing like the top teams of last year with 3 CM's and two wide men and one main striker.
Would be a good signing for us. If true...
I want to see Hyndman get more game time, he looked good when he played last year, looked good in the U20 world cup. Seems a bit more physically mature than some of the other youth players.
Having said that I'm in favour of getting Cairney and O'Hara if possible.
Would take nothing for granted when it comes to FFC and transfers.
So many have broken down at the last knockings in the last 5 years or so.
However, hope that this one does go through.
Yes it is all speculation. But some source that said we had signed him also says we have upped our bid for him and Dunk from Brighton. So we will wait and see.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on June 22, 2015, 01:24:25 PM
Would take nothing for granted when it comes to FFC and transfers.
So many have broken down at the last knockings in the last 5 years or so.
However, hope that this one does go through.
Who have we lost?
How do you know they have broken down as opposed to it being that it was just media or Twitter speculation?
Just had a look at one of Blackburn's main message boards (www.brfcc.com (http://www.brfcc.com) - under transfer talk part 2, pages 6-9), and they are very much divided between:
i) let him go, as last season he was hardly in games, and doesn't defend as part of the team
and
ii) don't get rid of our only 'playmaker'
Sounds a bit like Bryan Ruiz then.....FWIW I would welcome the signing as I liked Ruiz.
The other thing is that a few of them would like Tunnicliffe back as a make-weight in the deal, as they see him as offering more?!?
At the moment Blackburn aren't allowed to pay fees for players.
Quote from: Chesh on June 22, 2015, 01:53:46 PM
Just had a look at one of Blackburn's main message boards (www.brfcc.com (http://www.brfcc.com) - under transfer talk part 2, pages 6-9), and they are very much divided between:
i) let him go, as last season he was hardly in games, and doesn't defend as part of the team
and
ii) don't get rid of our only 'playmaker'
Sounds a bit like Bryan Ruiz then.....FWIW I would welcome the signing as I liked Ruiz.
The other thing is that a few of them would like Tunnicliffe back as a make-weight in the deal, as they see him as offering more?!?
At the moment Blackburn aren't allowed to pay fees for players.
Most on Twitter not happy at all, few sour grapers but we'll have to wait and see .Brentford mate said we're definitely sniffing about Tarkowski, dont know much about him to be honest
Quote from: Chesh on June 22, 2015, 01:53:46 PM
Just had a look at one of Blackburn's main message boards (www.brfcc.com (http://www.brfcc.com) - under transfer talk part 2, pages 6-9), and they are very much divided between:
i) let him go, as last season he was hardly in games, and doesn't defend as part of the team
and
ii) don't get rid of our only 'playmaker'
Sounds a bit like Bryan Ruiz then.....FWIW I would welcome the signing as I liked Ruiz.
The other thing is that a few of them would like Tunnicliffe back as a make-weight in the deal, as they see him as offering more?!?
At the moment Blackburn aren't allowed to pay fees for players.
The most cynical man I know supports Blackburn and said he would be 'gutted' if they lost him, especially for that price. He knows his football so I'm convinced this signing can only be regarded as a good one.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 22, 2015, 02:19:30 PM
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Quote from: Chesh on June 22, 2015, 01:53:46 PM
Just had a look at one of Blackburn's main message boards (www.brfcc.com (http://www.brfcc.com) - under transfer talk part 2, pages 6-9), and they are very much divided between:
i) let him go, as last season he was hardly in games, and doesn't defend as part of the team
and
ii) don't get rid of our only 'playmaker'
Sounds a bit like Bryan Ruiz then.....FWIW I would welcome the signing as I liked Ruiz.
The other thing is that a few of them would like Tunnicliffe back as a make-weight in the deal, as they see him as offering more?!?
At the moment Blackburn aren't allowed to pay fees for players.
Most on Twitter not happy at all, few sour grapers but we'll have to wait and see .Brentford mate said we're definitely sniffing about Tarkowski, dont know much about him to be honest
I am to understand that James Tarkowski is an English defender, age 22, 6ft 3in.
More speculation....blimey.
Quote from: FFC1987 on June 22, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 22, 2015, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on June 22, 2015, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: Chesh on June 22, 2015, 01:53:46 PM
Just had a look at one of Blackburn's main message boards (www.brfcc.com (http://www.brfcc.com) - under transfer talk part 2, pages 6-9), and they are very much divided between:
i) let him go, as last season he was hardly in games, and doesn't defend as part of the team
and
ii) don't get rid of our only 'playmaker'
Sounds a bit like Bryan Ruiz then.....FWIW I would welcome the signing as I liked Ruiz.
The other thing is that a few of them would like Tunnicliffe back as a make-weight in the deal, as they see him as offering more?!?
At the moment Blackburn aren't allowed to pay fees for players.
Most on Twitter not happy at all, few sour grapers but we'll have to wait and see .Brentford mate said we're definitely sniffing about Tarkowski, dont know much about him to be honest
I am to understand that James Tarkowski is an English defender, age 22, 6ft 3in.
More speculation....blimey.
was brentfords defence any good? I thought they were just out scoring teams
Quote from: fulhamben on June 22, 2015, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on June 22, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 22, 2015, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on June 22, 2015, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: Chesh on June 22, 2015, 01:53:46 PM
Just had a look at one of Blackburn's main message boards (www.brfcc.com (http://www.brfcc.com) - under transfer talk part 2, pages 6-9), and they are very much divided between:
i) let him go, as last season he was hardly in games, and doesn't defend as part of the team
and
ii) don't get rid of our only 'playmaker'
Sounds a bit like Bryan Ruiz then.....FWIW I would welcome the signing as I liked Ruiz.
The other thing is that a few of them would like Tunnicliffe back as a make-weight in the deal, as they see him as offering more?!?
At the moment Blackburn aren't allowed to pay fees for players.
Most on Twitter not happy at all, few sour grapers but we'll have to wait and see .Brentford mate said we're definitely sniffing about Tarkowski, dont know much about him to be honest
I am to understand that James Tarkowski is an English defender, age 22, 6ft 3in.
More speculation....blimey.
was brentfords defence any good? I thought they were just out scoring teams
Conceded the msot goals of teams in the Play - Offs.
Football league transfer centre on Twitter saying Blackburn have rejected Fulhams offer for Tom Cairney
I lifted from their forum. They seem to think they'd miss him, but maybe more interested in how to bring a replacement in. Anyway, this chap posted some stats.
Posted 24 minutes ago
I'm working on some stats regarding how we performed with and without Cairney last season. I haven't finished, as I need to figure the best way to break down the games where he was subbed on or off, but here's the broad strokes I have so far. Note that games include cup games, so 'points' are just what would have been awarded if they were league games.
Cairney playing (irrespective of subs on or off)
P: 45
W: 17 (37.77%)
D: 16 (35.55%)
L: 12 (26.66%)
Scored: 65 (1.44 per game) (3 scored by him, 8 assists)
Conceded: 53 (1.17 per game)
Points: 67 (1.48 per game)
Red Carded: 1
Yellow Carded: 8
Without Cairney (at all)
P: 7
W: 3 (42.85%)
D: 1 (14.28%)
L: 3 (42.85%)
Scored: 10 (1.42 per game)
Conceded: 11 (1.57 per game)
Points: 10 (1.42 per game)
The stats for which position he played, and for when I've found the best way to show the way results went during his actual game time will be more useful...he did come on or off in quite a few games, whilst the 7 games where he didn't play at all are a very small sample to be statistically useful.
I've also just used squawka.com to run a comparison between Cairney, Lowe, Williamson and Evans on a few other stats. These are per 90 minutes, not just per game.
Tackles Won
Team: 13.3
Cairney: 1.48
Lowe: 0.71
Williamson: 2
Evans: 1.26
Tackles Lost
Team: 13.23
Cairney: 1.73
Lowe: 1.11
Williamson: 1.53
Evans: 2.47
Pass Completion
Team: 73%
Cairney: 85%
Lowe: 78%
Williamson: 80%
Evans: 84%
Total Forward Passes
Team: 251.23
Cairney: 32.83
Lowe: 26.12
Williamson: 33.09
Evans: 32
Chances Created
Team: 11.1
Cairney: 2.78
Lowe: 0.51
Williamson: 0.74
Evans: 0.69
Interesting website. Personally think those stats put paid to the myth that the team is weaker defensively with Cairney, or that he doesn't put himself into (and win) tackles. They also show that Evans was a very sloppy tackler, and that Williamson was our most efficient one. Stats aren't everything, but still.
Brilliant post again.
Interesting that we scored more and conceded less with him in:
Shows what I thought all along in that as far as defensive midfielders go Williamson is our most effective.
Any news on this? Has gone from pretty much complete, wait for the announcement... To silence.
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on June 24, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
Any news on this? Has gone from pretty much complete, wait for the announcement... To silence.
As did Ben Pringle to be fair, went a few days of silence and then pop, it confirmed.
according to twitter and press our enquiry rejected out of hand, who knows if thats the truth though as reports prior to that had a fee being agreed.
Quote from: FPT on June 24, 2015, 07:12:51 PM
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on June 24, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
Any news on this? Has gone from pretty much complete, wait for the announcement... To silence.
As did Ben Pringle to be fair, went a few days of silence and then pop, it confirmed.
Fingers crossed.
where would he play though. i read an article the other day about how he was frustrated at playing on the right and not in the middle.
We need something to happen soon. The board is in limbo it seems. We've had two decent signings fairly early on. So, the "Kit out!", "Khan out!" posts have faded,.....temporarily. And, the new has worn off Pringle (going to be very hard to avoid unhealthy snacking on game days now) and Lonergan (sp?).
A good signing is needed to spice things up a bit. Might as well be Cairney. Why not?
Quote from: fulhamben on June 24, 2015, 07:43:30 PM
where would he play though. i read an article the other day about how he was frustrated at playing on the right and not in the middle.
If we buy him he would be a shoe in to start. I consider LVC to be our only decent central midfield player. Hyndman still has to be nurtured. Parker and Tunnicliffe are borderline useless for us.
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Quote from: fulhamben on June 24, 2015, 07:43:30 PM
where would he play though. i read an article the other day about how he was frustrated at playing on the right and not in the middle.
If we buy him he would be a shoe in to start. I consider LVC to be our only decent central midfield player. Hyndman still has to be nurtured. Parker and Tunnicliffe are borderline useless for us.
but in what formation. a flat four, you wouldnt start lvc in the middle with him as both are more attacking.
Quote from: fulhamben on June 24, 2015, 07:43:30 PM
where would he play though. i read an article the other day about how he was frustrated at playing on the right and not in the middle.
Yes I've heard this, not read though, and many a Blackburn fan seems to see him as a central midfielder. I just fear what that would end up doing to Lasse Vigen Christensen. In a 442, we surely can't have both in the middle? Tom Cairney played 16 games on the right last season grabbing three goals and three assists, in his 16 games in central and attacking midfield, just two assists.
With the abilities of Cairney, I can only see him on the right really, I think that's where we'd see the best of both him and Lasse Vigen Christensen. You probably could rotate Cairney and LVC throughout a game in - and it'd also create the possibility of as Cairney drifts in from the right with the ball, LVC could overlap from central midfield and sneak in between. All theoretical of course.
So, I've heard he's not into playing in the right, but his statistics suggest thats where his best and from watching bits and pieces of him I would agree that he's best floating inwards with the ball, somewhat of a Damien Duff and Bryan Ruiz hybrid in how he can whip in balls on his left foot or simply ease the ball around and move. In terms of central attacking from deep, Lasse Vigen Christensen seems the better footballer, though Christensen has only had the one season behind him of course.
That's just how I see things, I've not physically read quotes or actually heard him say that he doesn't like playing there, if true, things get a bit confusing for me. But we shall wait and see.
I prefer to sign players of his quality especially if it calls into question the starting place of a current midfield option in this club. It truly has been far too long since we've had battles for starting positions in midfield ...... something that speaks to the lack of quality and quality in depth. The deeper we are in midfield and the hungrier those players are for minutes, the better the club will be for it. Sign him up!
Quote from: fulhamben on June 25, 2015, 12:53:59 PM
a fan on the blackburn site is claiming this is neigh on done and dusted http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22 (http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22)
If you're gonna nick my post you could at least link to the correct page of their fourm...
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 25, 2015, 12:53:59 PM
a fan on the blackburn site is claiming this is neigh on done and dusted http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22 (http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22)
If you're gonna nick my post you could at least link to the correct page of their fourm...
sorry didnt see it in the silly season
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Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 25, 2015, 12:53:59 PM
a fan on the blackburn site is claiming this is neigh on done and dusted http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22 (http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22)
If you're gonna nick my post you could at least link to the correct page of their forum...
sorry didnt see it in the silly season
You happen to post the same link as me from a random Rovers forum just 5 minutes after I do? Nice try..
The bloke talking about the Cairney deal happened on page 21.
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 25, 2015, 01:02:18 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 25, 2015, 12:53:59 PM
a fan on the blackburn site is claiming this is neigh on done and dusted http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22 (http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22)
If you're gonna nick my post you could at least link to the correct page of their forum...
sorry didnt see it in the silly season
You happen to post the same link as me from a random Rovers forum just 5 minutes after I do? Nice try..
The bloke talking about the Cairney deal happened on page 21.
Well it was on TIFF at 11.34, so maybe he got it from there.........
Quote from: Chesh on June 25, 2015, 01:26:01 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 25, 2015, 01:02:18 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 25, 2015, 12:53:59 PM
a fan on the blackburn site is claiming this is neigh on done and dusted http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22 (http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22)
If you're gonna nick my post you could at least link to the correct page of their forum...
sorry didnt see it in the silly season
You happen to post the same link as me from a random Rovers forum just 5 minutes after I do? Nice try..
The bloke talking about the Cairney deal happened on page 21.
Well it was on TIFF at 11.34, so maybe he got it from there.........
Wow, are you getting royalties or something? Blimey.
Loads of Twitter activity in the last hour about this saying it's now done. £3m rising to £3.5m on how we do...
Sky Sports News now reporting that he is having a medical at Fulham.
Something has just occured to me. Given our signing of Ben Pringle, in addition to this one with Tom Cairney, we MUST be getting rid of the diamond
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Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 25, 2015, 12:53:59 PM
a fan on the blackburn site is claiming this is neigh on done and dusted http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22 (http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30543-transfer-talk-part-2/page-22)
If you're gonna nick my post you could at least link to the correct page of their forum...
sorry didnt see it in the silly season
You happen to post the same link as me from a random Rovers forum just 5 minutes after I do? Nice try..
The bloke talking about the Cairney deal happened on page 21.
Well it was on TIFF at 11.34, so maybe he got it from there.........
Wow, are you getting royalties or something? Blimey.
:005:
Quote from: Riversider on June 25, 2015, 04:45:44 PM
Sky Sports News now reporting that he is having a medical at Fulham.
Wahey!!
And now on the Sky Sports ticker. Now a waiting game.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIW4b7TWwAAH_46.png)
That's not Tom Cairney by the way.
Could be Patrick Roberts though...
:drums:
Sticking with Blackburn, Sky sources also understand midfielder Tom Cairney is having a medical with Fulham this afternoon.
Quote from: FPT on June 25, 2015, 04:59:07 PM
Could be Patrick Roberts though...
:drums:
Looks much too old for Roberts!
I bet he passes the infamous medical & will then be out for the season with an ingrown toe nail.
Well I hope this isn't the same medical he was reported by some to be having three days ago. No wonder our players are injured when we sign them.
If only there was somewhere on this forum to talk about this signing already!!!
;-)
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 25, 2015, 04:52:42 PM
Something has just occured to me. Given our signing of Ben Pringle, in addition to this one with Tom Cairney, we MUST be getting rid of the diamond
Really? I'm definitely not ruling out the following midfield, as long as Kit is in charge:
Parker
LVC - Pringle
Cairney
Quote from: twang on June 25, 2015, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 25, 2015, 04:52:42 PM
Something has just occured to me. Given our signing of Ben Pringle, in addition to this one with Tom Cairney, we MUST be getting rid of the diamond
Really? I'm definitely not ruling out the following midfield, as long as Kit is in charge:
Parker
LVC - Pringle
Cairney
Nothing wrong with some form of the diamond. You just have to have proper players in each position who are able to and know how to play their positions. If not, there's just no way to consistently impose your game on the varying approaches of the opposition.
At the same time, you also need players who allow a manager some tactical flexibility if things aren't working. We definitely did not have that last season.
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Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 25, 2015, 04:52:42 PM
Something has just occured to me. Given our signing of Ben Pringle, in addition to this one with Tom Cairney, we MUST be getting rid of the diamond
Really? I'm definitely not ruling out the following midfield, as long as Kit is in charge:
Parker
LVC - Pringle
Cairney
Hmmm would it be?
Pringle LVC Parker Cairney
Left to Right.
Thoughts?
Cairney wants to play in the middle, I reckon thats one of the conditions. Apparently hes very unhappy out wide
Quote from: FPT on June 25, 2015, 04:58:07 PM
And now on the Sky Sports ticker. Now a waiting game.
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He looks very young. Is he one for the future??
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 25, 2015, 05:40:27 PM
Quote from: twang on June 25, 2015, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 25, 2015, 04:52:42 PM
Something has just occured to me. Given our signing of Ben Pringle, in addition to this one with Tom Cairney, we MUST be getting rid of the diamond
Really? I'm definitely not ruling out the following midfield, as long as Kit is in charge:
Parker
LVC - Pringle
Cairney
Nothing wrong with some form of the diamond. You just have to have proper players in each position who are able to and know how to play their positions. If not, there's just no way to consistently impose your game on the varying approaches of the opposition.
At the same time, you also need players who allow a manager some tactical flexibility if things aren't working. We definitely did not have that last season.
Totally agree, it wasn't a swipe at the diamond - more of Kit's apparent obsession to use it when we didn't have the tools to do it.
If used right, I think it's a great formation that offers plenty of options. But, as you say, you need players that are suited for it and who knows their positions.
And importantly good fullbacks that are comfortable both when attacking and defending, as they will get exposed more than in most other formations.
Except for LVC, and maybe Ruiz, we had neither last season.
Regardless of what formation we'll use this season I want us to sign a strong defensive minded midfielder, but I also think that Parker can still offer something if he's ordered to do next to nothing but protect the back four instead of pretending to be the player he was five years ago.
The only thing I really read from the combined Pringle and [likely] Cairney signings is that the club recognises two areas of weakness (CM and wide players) and also the broader need for football league experience and creativity in our squad.
According to whoscored.com, in the Championship, Pringle created the 5th most chances per minute and Cairney was 9th. If we get O'Hara, he was 2nd. The best in our existing squad was Ross in 20th - which kind of tells a story in itself; he was the one we relied on to score, but he was the only one really capable of giving the sort of service he needed...
I don't think we'll be able to tell anything about formation until a few more deals are done and friendlies begin.
I'm thinking we are looking more at 451/433/4231 all about getting three in the middle.
If he's having a medical at Fulham that only takes 5 minutes; look left, cough, ok sign here.
Quote from: MJG on June 25, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
I'm thinking we are looking more at 451/433/4231 all about getting three in the middle.
But then how do we get the gruesome twosome of Smith and McCormack up top together? Unless Ross plays #10 in the 4231, I can't see it
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 25, 2015, 06:07:20 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 25, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
I'm thinking we are looking more at 451/433/4231 all about getting three in the middle.
But then how do we get the gruesome twosome of Smith and McCormack up top together? Unless Ross plays #10 in the 4231, I can't see it
I think the idea would be to oust Smith and play Ross up top alone (maybe with Pringle/Pat as wide support), which wouldn't be impossible to imagine; Kit only seemed to include Matt as a last resort.
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 06:12:15 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 25, 2015, 06:07:20 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 25, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
I'm thinking we are looking more at 451/433/4231 all about getting three in the middle.
But then how do we get the gruesome twosome of Smith and McCormack up top together? Unless Ross plays #10 in the 4231, I can't see it
I think the idea would be to oust Smith and play Ross up top alone (maybe with Pringle/Pat as wide support), which wouldn't be impossible to imagine; Kit only seemed to include Matt as a last resort.
I think Smith did enough when he came back last season to be in with a hell of a shout of starting
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 25, 2015, 06:14:18 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 06:12:15 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 25, 2015, 06:07:20 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 25, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
I'm thinking we are looking more at 451/433/4231 all about getting three in the middle.
But then how do we get the gruesome twosome of Smith and McCormack up top together? Unless Ross plays #10 in the 4231, I can't see it
I think the idea would be to oust Smith and play Ross up top alone (maybe with Pringle/Pat as wide support), which wouldn't be impossible to imagine; Kit only seemed to include Matt as a last resort.
I think Smith did enough when he came back last season to be in with a hell of a shout of starting
I agree.
But he's a marmite player; I like him because he scores, others don't like him because his style of play isn't the prettiest.
I don't think Kit's a big fan though (Matt was only given the odd chance despite scoring buckets of goals and Kit's a fan of attractive football [even if he's been useless at implementing it]). I reckon he'd drop Matt in favour of a formation to accommodate ball-playing midfielders.
Just an opinion though..
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 25, 2015, 06:14:18 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 25, 2015, 06:12:15 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 25, 2015, 06:07:20 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 25, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
I'm thinking we are looking more at 451/433/4231 all about getting three in the middle.
But then how do we get the gruesome twosome of Smith and McCormack up top together? Unless Ross plays #10 in the 4231, I can't see it
I think the idea would be to oust Smith and play Ross up top alone (maybe with Pringle/Pat as wide support), which wouldn't be impossible to imagine; Kit only seemed to include Matt as a last resort.
I think Smith did enough when he came back last season to be in with a hell of a shout of starting
I agree.
But he's a marmite player; I like him because he scores, others don't like him because his style of play isn't the prettiest.
I don't think Kit's a big fan though (Matt was only given the odd chance despite scoring buckets of goals and Kit's a fan of attractive football [even if he's been useless at implementing it]). I reckon he'd drop Matt in favour of a formation to accommodate ball-playing midfielders.
Just an opinion though..
And I can see your opinion (mainly because I like him too). I just think that if we go 433 or something with Ross as the main man, it would render some people surplus to requirement.
433 surely
Parker/Hyndman
LVC Cairney
Kaca Mccormack Pringle
Smith as a plan B
Any formation and combination of signings that allows Ross to focus on finishing versus have to create and finish is a win and will strengthen us.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on June 25, 2015, 06:34:45 PM
433 surely
Parker/Hyndman
LVC Cairney
Kaca Mccormack Pringle
Smith as a plan B
Nice team - but please no Kaca, has no courage or killer instinct.
We need ross in and around there box as our stand out threat .
Slightly worried that we're buying players who have a history of not being able to tackle. We need to defend from the front as a team, not just the back, and would like to see another Etuhu holding type player come in.
Quote from: MJG on June 25, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
I'm thinking we are looking more at 451/433/4231 all about getting three in the middle.
Man! That's a lot of players on the pitch at once.
Quote from: hovewhite on June 25, 2015, 06:54:10 PM
We need ross in and around there box as our stand out threat .
Just imagine a Ross who get's to be on the end of things and not put so much effort into creating things, just imagine!!!
You can pick whatever combination you like but it will never lead to a successful team until we get someone in the middle who is strong, athletic, intelligent and can protect the area in front of the back four.
And don't say Parker because he's not up to it.
I'm not convinced by Ross as a lone striker, I think he has too much of a tendency to be involved with play - and to be honest, that's how I prefer him. I like him getting a lot of touches of the ball, I like him being the link between midfield and attack, I like him finding his own space and I like him not having the entire burden of scoring goals.
I spoke earlier (you'll probably find it somewhere on the this post or the Silly Season thread) about how I personally see Tom Cairney best suited to a wide right role, almost a false winger where he can drift in, allowing us a 442.
3142? With three centre backs, two wide men, a "holding midfielder" with Christensen and Cairney ahead, Ross and another up top.
--------------Bettinelli
-----Grimmer Burn Amorebieta
---------------Parker--------------
Richards----LVC---Cairney---Pringle
--------McCormack---Smith-----------
Just spitballing of course. I don't know how we're looking to build, who and what goes where and how, we'll learn more over pre-season, of course, but at least we're getting pieces of the puzzle together - it's Kit and Mike Rigg who'll know how it all slots together.
I think a 4-5-1 with a holding player, two roaming/support midfielders and two dynamic wide men would suit Ross up front on his "own". As long as there's an element of fluidity and support from the wide players allowing Ross to drift/drop off, and the dynamic off the ball movement of LVC supporting him through the middle we should do well.
It would be a formation incredibly dependent on movement, but from the attacking players we've signed it appears as though this is something we're heading towards. It's also incredibly dependent on a disciplined holding player which we do not have as yet.
Frankie we will have to agree to disagree on McCormack. I want him up top right where the centre backs are, if I see him pick the ball up again off any of our CB's next season all hope is lost.
for me we will get murdered if we play 3 at the back, it wont matter how many we put in front we will be shipping them like the titanic did water thats even if we do get reinforcements there which as yet we hav enot even been rumoured to be doing.
I wuld go with a 4-2-3-1 with Ross up front doing what we bought him to do
I don't think Ross has ever played anywhere as the 'one up front' not at Cardiff or Leeds for sure. I know you, MJG and Kit Symons have a dislike of Matt Smith but for me the two of them working in tandem, with a decent supply are our greatest hope of success. Agree with MJG about Ross dropping deep for the ball, bloody infuriating that and a waste of talent.
Quote from: 3rd attempt to register! on June 25, 2015, 08:02:14 PM
I don't think Ross has ever played anywhere as the 'one up front' not at Cardiff or Leeds for sure. I know you, MJG and Kit Symons have a dislike of Matt Smith but for me the two of them working in tandem, with a decent supply are our greatest hope of success. Agree with MJG about Ross dropping deep for the ball, bloody infuriating that and a waste of talent.
Bloody wast of time too. We need to be far more pro-active going forward than that would allow.
Quote from: 3rd attempt to register! on June 25, 2015, 08:02:14 PM
I don't think Ross has ever played anywhere as the 'one up front' not at Cardiff or Leeds for sure. I know you, MJG and Kit Symons have a dislike of Matt Smith but for me the two of them working in tandem, with a decent supply are our greatest hope of success. Agree with MJG about Ross dropping deep for the ball, bloody infuriating that and a waste of talent.
I think that's a little unfair on me, I've not picked Woodrow, Dembèlè or Taggart and I like all three.
My point was that it looks like they could down that route and was not aimed at just not playing Smith.
3-5-2.... Mark my words! ;)
I honestly don't care what the formation is, as long as we never ever ever ever see a god damn defender in midfield again.
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on June 25, 2015, 09:00:13 PM
3-5-2.... Mark my words! ;)
god i hope not, smacks of long ball then up to smith. i would rather not go and watch that
How is the medical going? I don't follow twitter and every time I click on this thread tonight its all about formations.
As long as we drop the diamond and don't play Kavanagh in midfield I will go along with it
I hate to have made this a Ross McCormack post, but I do also think it's relevant to general conversation. As our talisman and our main goal scorer, we should be moulding with him in mind. It is a personal preference to have Ross in a deeper role, and after thinking about the 451, I do think that would be the best system with how our squad is taking place.
If McCormack can be the Berbatov-like focal point of our attack, with the likes of Tom Cairney and Lasse Vigen Christensen attacking from deep, with Ben Pringle and right sided winger stretching the pitch and getting plenty of quality deliveries into the box - then if not successful, it could certainly be entertaining.
As God The Mechanic stated, I do think we'd also need a pure defensive midfielder to glue it all together, whether that's Toumani Diagouraga, Ryan Tunnicliffe or someone we haven't heard about yet, I don't think we can go another season with Scott Parker as a mainstay.
Lets get back to Tom Cairney and be happy with another solid signing with a lot of skill, talent and endeavour that should slot in nicely! Then it's back to the defence!
Cairney/LVC/Hyndman/O'Hara/Tunniliffe/Parker
They would be alright options for central midfield
Great news! As others have stated, so far it looks like we mean business if these rumors and speculations bear fruit. Come on Fulham, become a title contender!
if the sky sources are accurate then can we expect an announcement today? surely we wouldnt do a medical if terms were not agreed.
also any news on o'hara?
Blackburn message board saying O'Hara is in Blackburn for talks, generally they don't seem to pleased about it.
OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL!!!
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/june/26/cairney-joins-fulham (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/june/26/cairney-joins-fulham)
yes lad
Told you it was a done deal :-)
Rigg must be having some effect with the swiftness of these transfers
Quote from: MJG on June 26, 2015, 02:03:05 PM
Told you it was a done deal :-)
Phew! No egg on your face then!
Also in for Kevin McDonald Wolves - a £1 million bid
Quote from: rusty shackleford on June 26, 2015, 02:04:06 PM
Rigg must be having some effect with the swiftness of these transfers
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i wont believe it till its on skysports news ;)
and has anyone got a highlights clip as i know nothing about him really
So then...can someone please spin this negatively!!!!
I can't tolerate this optimism and satisfaction with a signing!
Think this is a very good signing for us. 3 players in already who could potentially walk straight into the first 11. A contrast to last summer when we just seemed to be getting in players who were backup quality only... Apart from Mccormack of course.
Now to strengthen the defence and replace Hugo. Maybe a replacement for Ruiz (to be honest... Id like to see Pat Roberts replace the Ruiz role but that seems unlikely to happen)
All in all... Its positive news!
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on June 26, 2015, 02:15:46 PM
So then...can someone please spin this negatively!!!!
I can't tolerate this optimism and satisfaction with a signing!
ill give it ago. we only bought him because we are down grading on roberts who is off to brentford.
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on June 26, 2015, 02:15:46 PM
So then...can someone please spin this negatively!!!!
I can't tolerate this optimism and satisfaction with a signing!
They've signed him to play CB
We've made a bright start to the window but still a long way to go. Imo we still need a LBx1, RBx1, CBx2, CDMx1, RMx1, STx1 (?) to have a team capable of a promotion challenge. Still, Cairney, Pringle and Lonergan are all very decent signings at this level.
This is a massive signing for us.
Welcome to the club, Tom!
Great contract length too. A nice change from the usual 2/3 years.
Quote from: snarks on June 26, 2015, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on June 26, 2015, 02:15:46 PM
So then...can someone please spin this negatively!!!!
I can't tolerate this optimism and satisfaction with a signing!
They've signed him to play CB
lol, better than mine, worryingly you wouldnt put it past us
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on June 26, 2015, 02:15:46 PM
So then...can someone please spin this negatively!!!!
I can't tolerate this optimism and satisfaction with a signing!
Orlando Sa is still going to score a hat trick against us when we play Reading next season.
How was that?
Quote from: Classic94 on June 26, 2015, 02:31:48 PM
We've made a bright start to the window but still a long way to go. Imo we still need a LBx1, RBx1, CBx2, CDMx1, RMx1, STx1 (?) to have a team capable of a promotion challenge. Still, Cairney, Pringle and Lonergan are all very decent signings at this level.
Do we really need another striker? We've got McCormack, Smith, Woodrow, Dembele and Taggart. Plus Mitroglou is still on our books.
I'd like us to try and go for Cotterill from Birmingham though for the right. Buy all those wingers that play well against us. Full backs will be very important though.
Glad we're bringing in British players with experience of this level rather than getting in overseas no-marks. We need to flex our financial muscle this summer. Due to parachute payments we should still be able to beat the majority of teams in this division especially when it comes to wages.
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Quote from: Classic94 on June 26, 2015, 02:31:48 PM
We've made a bright start to the window but still a long way to go. Imo we still need a LBx1, RBx1, CBx2, CDMx1, RMx1, STx1 (?) to have a team capable of a promotion challenge. Still, Cairney, Pringle and Lonergan are all very decent signings at this level.
Do we really need another striker? We've got McCormack, Smith, Woodrow, Dembele and Taggart. Plus Mitroglou is still on our books.
I'd like us to try and go for Cotterill from Birmingham though for the right. Buy all those wingers that play well against us. Full backs will be very important though.
if we lose hugo mitro and dembele, then yes id say we need a striker.
Quote from: fulhamben on June 26, 2015, 02:50:23 PM
Quote from: Jack Fulham on June 26, 2015, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: Classic94 on June 26, 2015, 02:31:48 PM
We've made a bright start to the window but still a long way to go. Imo we still need a LBx1, RBx1, CBx2, CDMx1, RMx1, STx1 (?) to have a team capable of a promotion challenge. Still, Cairney, Pringle and Lonergan are all very decent signings at this level.
Do we really need another striker? We've got McCormack, Smith, Woodrow, Dembele and Taggart. Plus Mitroglou is still on our books.
I'd like us to try and go for Cotterill from Birmingham though for the right. Buy all those wingers that play well against us. Fullbacks will be very important though.
if we lose Hugo, Mitro and Dembele, then yes I'd say we need a striker.
Not sure his best position has been decided yet, but Plumain has had a good season up top for the U21s; he might be a good option for 5th choice (allowing us to spend money elsewhere). I guess it depends on how Kit thinks Taggart is coming along, and whether he wants to play 1 or 2 strikers up top?
Rovers' official website post can't even muster a thank you to Cairney for his contribution to the club.
http://www.rovers.co.uk/news/article/tom-cairney-fulham-2509033.aspx (http://www.rovers.co.uk/news/article/tom-cairney-fulham-2509033.aspx)
"Rovers midfielder Tom Cairney has today joined fellow Championship club Fulham for an undisclosed fee.
The 24-year-old moves to Craven Cottage on a four-year deal.
Cairney arrived at Rovers on loan from Hull City in August 2013, before making the move to Ewood Park a permanent one in January 2014.
In total, he scored nine goals in 85 appearances for the club."
Considering that during his time he's been their player of the season, never had a public strop, was consistently a first team regular and arrived for around just £300k, you'd have thought they'd have had the civility to thank him for his efforts and wish him luck for the rest of his career - even if only as a formality...
Weird club...
Excellent signing. Now let´s concentrate on getting a defence worthy of the title.
Rumours of him preferring a central midfield role is good. But three sold signings now and more importantly it gives the right impression of building a side instead of filling a squad. Very pleased because it is another player that is used to the Championship and good enough to step up.
I'm happy with this signing. I assume he'll play wide right in a 442 with Pringle on the left. LVC is an obvious starter in CM, I hope we're looking at a Matic/Etuhu style player to go in along side him. Unless they think Hyndman can do a job there.
Quote from: Ordar on June 26, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
I'm happy with this signing. I assume he'll play wide right in a 442 with Pringle on the left. LVC is an obvious starter in CM, I hope we're looking at a Matic/Etuhu style player to go in alongside him. Unless they think Hyndman can do a job there.
I'm not so sure. I heard one of Tom's major issues at Blackburn was the tendency for Gary Bowyer to stick him out on the right when he wanted to play centrally.
He's left-footed, so could sit at LCM, with LVC at RCM. Or I think he might be played in a CAM spot.
Still, your guess is as good as mine!
I quite like the idea of a 4-3-3 something like:
Betts
Yedlin Dunk Burn Kav
Hyndman
LVC Cairney
D.Gray Pringle
Ross
Subs: Lonergan, Hutch, Jazz, Parker, Roberts, Smith, Cauley
Reserves: Jesse, Bod, Grimmer, Tunni, Cole, G.Williams, Moussa, Taggart
It's a bit lightweight in the middle, and requires a couple of unlikely signings, but looks more like the sort of thing I'd like to see (but anything will be an improvement on the narrow diamond).
EDIT:
apparently Cairney is right footed (transfermarkt).. Defnietely left footed; checked his youtube vids - unless he's weird and takes freekicks with his weak foot, he's a lefty.
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Quote from: Jack Fulham on June 26, 2015, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: Classic94 on June 26, 2015, 02:31:48 PM
We've made a bright start to the window but still a long way to go. Imo we still need a LBx1, RBx1, CBx2, CDMx1, RMx1, STx1 (?) to have a team capable of a promotion challenge. Still, Cairney, Pringle and Lonergan are all very decent signings at this level.
Do we really need another striker? We've got McCormack, Smith, Woodrow, Dembele and Taggart. Plus Mitroglou is still on our books.
I'd like us to try and go for Cotterill from Birmingham though for the right. Buy all those wingers that play well against us. Fullbacks will be very important though.
if we lose Hugo, Mitro and Dembele, then yes I'd say we need a striker.
Not sure his best position has been decided yet, but Plumain has had a good season up top for the U21s; he might be a good option for 5th choice (allowing us to spend money elsewhere). I guess it depends on how Kit thinks Taggart is coming along, and whether he wants to play 1 or 2 strikers up top?
good shout, think he was left of a 3
I really dont like the idea of Ross playing as a lone striker. Obviously if we're playing with wide players its good to have a tall centre forward to get on the end of crosses. Also Ross has a tendancy to drop very deep and out wide, which would be a disaster in that formation.
I agree though I cant see us playing with just Cairney and LVC in the middle. Would be very lightweight. I guess Pringle could play on the "wrong" side as he did for Rotherham (I'm not a fan of inverted wingers personally) and Cairney out on the left.
Obviously if he doesnt want to play wide...
Quote from: MJG on June 26, 2015, 02:03:05 PM
Told you it was a done deal :-)
Well done MJG, can you now look into your crystal ball and give us a hint of who's next?
Quote from: Ordar on June 26, 2015, 03:44:11 PM
I really dont like the idea of Ross playing as a lone striker. Obviously if we're playing with wide players its good to have a tall centre forward to get on the end of crosses. Also Ross has a tendancy to drop very deep and out wide, which would be a disaster in that formation.
I agree though I cant see us playing with just Cairney and LVC in the middle. Would be very lightweight. I guess Pringle could play on the "wrong" side as he did for Rotherham (I'm not a fan of inverted wingers personally) and Cairney out on the left.
Obviously if he doesnt want to play wide...
Agree about Ross - I'm just trying to avoid another Smith debate (who I - for the record - think's an ideal foil for Ross, but know many disagree).
Agree about inverted wingers too.. Hopefully a couple more signings and we'll get an idea of Kit's plans for the starting 11/formation.
What I would love to see is Ross being part of a front 3 which is interchangeable. Letting him drop deep or play out wide when he wants. I'd like to see us sign a striker with serious pace, someone who is willing to run in behind the opposition defenders. However, I've also seen our defence and know how important it is to strengthen.
Quote from: stephenFFC on June 26, 2015, 04:21:11 PM
What I would love to see is Ross being part of a front 3 which is interchangeable. Letting him drop deep or play out wide when he wants. I'd like to see us sign a striker with serious pace, someone who is willing to run in behind the opposition defenders. However, I've also seen our defence and know how important it is to strengthen.
Dembele can do that. Yes he's raw, but if we get him to sign a new contract he could be the pacey striker we need. He doesn't need to get 10-15 goals next season if he's a secondary option.
Quote from: God The Mechanic on June 26, 2015, 04:37:36 PM
Quote from: stephenFFC on June 26, 2015, 04:21:11 PM
What I would love to see is Ross being part of a front 3 which is interchangeable. Letting him drop deep or play out wide when he wants. I'd like to see us sign a striker with serious pace, someone who is willing to run in behind the opposition defenders. However, I've also seen our defence and know how important it is to strengthen.
Dembele can do that. Yes he's raw, but if we get him to sign a new contract he could be the pacey striker we need. He doesn't need to get 10-15 goals next season if he's a secondary option.
yes, he looked decent in his cameos. nice and direct too
Nicked from the Rovers forum:
One of their respected posters who's has been told the deal for Cairney was "in the region of £2.3 million with around another £1.5 million in add on's"
Not bad business if that's the case.
Also, worryingly for them, that poster has info that their board have sanctioned the sale of any/all players (provided the manager approves), with Gestede to likely to go to Watford, Ben Marshall to Norwich or Brom, and Rhodes expecting a prem bid this week... With their transfer embargo still in place, looks like it could be a tricky season for them..
That's now three very decent signings, and they appear to be the right kind of players for the positions targeted as needed strengthening.
Woolly . You sound worryingly positive . Are we not doomed ?
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Quote from: Riverside on June 26, 2015, 06:16:46 PM
Woolly . You sound worryingly positive . Are we not doomed ?
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Yes Riverside, you are indeed correct. I have locked the word demooD in the Attic, as since I have had a rub down with the Sporting Life every day since the end of last season, I have felt very positive, and as each day goes by the positive vibes are expanding, at first I did not recognise myself, but I am beginning to get use to it.
I am starting to get excited about the new season already. So far it's all good news.
This club is starting to look refreshing rather than dehydrating so to speak. Some real characters, young legs, and life being introduced. Kit may well prove all of his doubters wrong, Lord I do hope so.
The bus is only as good as the driver, we will see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDCwSFLaFCc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDCwSFLaFCc)
Quick video I made showing Tom Cairneys goals for Blackburn in the last 2 years. Would appreciate if you gave it a watch. Looks a great signing
Some nice strikes there, worth watching!
Yes, let's hope he replicates some of those goals for Fulham FC
Let's hope the Route Master doesn't blow a tyre, or run out of fuel. If that does happen, let's hope they have a Jack and a Fuel Can.
Come to think of it they have Jack Grimmer, so that's the Jack sorted, just need someone called Fuel or Can or both.
Betts
Grimmer Dunk Burn Kavanagh (someone new)
Parker/Hyndman
LVC Cairney
Roberts Pringle
Mccormack
That's top 2 material.
LVC/Cairney might not be the most defensive but I'd hope with 1/both of them and Parker/Hyndman in there they'd help with any issues we might have.
Mccormack has had problems with just his up front, but I think that's just down to poor management/tactics. He's the best player in the league by a distance, just needs the supply.
Lets hope Kit can find the solution.
Helluva left foot, but a couple with his right as well. Promising
Quote from: PaulJ123 on June 27, 2015, 03:06:20 AM
Betts
Grimmer Dunk Burn Kavanagh (someone new)
Parker/Hyndman
LVC Cairney
Roberts Pringle
Mccormack
That's top 2 material.
LVC/Cairney might not be the most defensive but I'd hope with 1/both of them and Parker/Hyndman in there they'd help with any issues we might have.
Mccormack has had problems with just his up front, but I think that's just down to poor management/tactics. He's the best player in the league by a distance, just needs the supply.
Lets hope Kit can find the solution.
Ross is absolutely the best player in the league, and with how poor we were last year he still managed to score 19 goals. Given the right players behind him, I think he will bag another 19 and then some. Not to mention...this lad deserves game time in the Premier League. Would be a shame for someone of his ilk to not play in the Premier League, even if only for a season or two.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 27, 2015, 02:40:11 AM
Let's hope the Route Master doesn't blow a tyre, or run out of fuel. If that does happen, let's hope they have a Jack and a Fuel Can.
Come to think of it they have Jack Grimmer, so that's the Jack sorted, just need someone called Fuel or Can or both.
We used to have Ash
Can Dejagah.... pity we let him leave!
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 26, 2015, 11:50:14 PM
The bus is only as good as the driver, we will see.
Well we have our own FoF bus driver - is that reassuring or worrying?
Quote from: @jolslover on June 27, 2015, 12:02:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDCwSFLaFCc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDCwSFLaFCc)
Quick video I made showing Tom Cairneys goals for Blackburn in the last 2 years. Would appreciate if you gave it a watch. Looks a great signing
Thanks for making a video! I was just getting into the song before it cut out tho haha!
Please make more if you get a chance - we've never been a club who's had someone doing this and it'd be a great thing for someone to start.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on June 27, 2015, 03:06:20 AM
Betts
Grimmer Dunk Burn Kavanagh (someone new)
Parker/Hyndman
LVC Cairney
Roberts Pringle
Mccormack
That's top 2 material.
LVC/Cairney might not be the most defensive but I'd hope with 1/both of them and Parker/Hyndman in there they'd help with any issues we might have.
Mccormack has had problems with just his up front, but I think that's just down to poor management/tactics. He's the best player in the league by a distance, just needs the supply.
Lets hope Kit can find the solution.
That's not top2 material that side wouldn't even make the play offs. I wouldn't have Grimmer, Roberts(to light weight), Hyndman. A new right back, A new left back and 2 new centre halfs then we maybe talking top 6.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 27, 2015, 09:18:13 AM
Quote from: Holders on June 27, 2015, 05:14:15 AM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 26, 2015, 11:50:14 PM
The bus is only as good as the driver, we will see.
Well we have our own FoF bus driver - is that reassuring or worrying?
:down_under: Considering the amount of low bridges he has run into, and the number of request stops he fails to stop at, I would say it's biblically worrying. 067.gif
Oi thats me you're criticising there! ..........actually he has a point, be very worried! I get road rage :dft007:
I said stop ringing the bell, I heard it the first time! :dead horse:
Quote from: Tooting legend on June 27, 2015, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on June 27, 2015, 03:06:20 AM
Betts
Grimmer Dunk Burn Kavanagh (someone new)
Parker/Hyndman
LVC Cairney
Roberts Pringle
Mccormack
That's top 2 material.
LVC/Cairney might not be the most defensive but I'd hope with 1/both of them and Parker/Hyndman in there they'd help with any issues we might have.
Mccormack has had problems with just his up front, but I think that's just down to poor management/tactics. He's the best player in the league by a distance, just needs the supply.
Lets hope Kit can find the solution.
That's not top2 material that side wouldn't even make the play offs. I wouldn't have Grimmer, Roberts(to light weight), Hyndman. A new right back, A new left back and 2 new centre halfs then we maybe talking top 6.
I'd be worried about that defence.
Last season we scored 62 goals [11th in the league] but conceded 83 [23rd in the league]. Only Blackpool (who could barely put out a squad) let in more goals - and only 8 more at that. No matter how much we improve our creativity and goalscoring chances if we concede more than we score we'll be in for another disappointing season.
Last season didn't work, so putting out basically the same back 4 would be a huge mistake IMO.
A new formation will help (good riddance to the narrow diamond), but our fullbacks are not good enough, Parker isn't good enough and a new CB is needed (you've suggested Dunk, who would be the ideal, but Tom Lees would also be a big upgrade).
TLDR? No chance of top 2 with that defence..