I know we wouldn't have gone up anyway, but that's another must win game we've failed to win. Thought mitrovic was really poor today. Bryan at fault for their goal. But now the positives, kebano is the man, and kamara is way better than knockaert and bobby Reid so it's fantastic to see him back. Brentford lost again and look knackered. I believe we have Cardiff who we easily beat just recently, and I make us favourites coyws it's cup football now
Mitrovic, Onomah, Cairney, Hector, Arter. All played below par tonight. Kebano having a purple patch and its good to see some real pace available with Kamara back (though he'll take time to get playing well again). Ream had a good game and so did Rodak. Overall we didn't play well and Wigan deserved the draw.
If anyone has bottled it it is Brentford. West Brom have crawled over the line showing that pressure can have a great effect on anyone. After all of this the team that I feel sorry for is Barnsley. They have shown real fight.
OP is a bit daft ... we were massive outsiders ....
Expected nothing, it was a huge ask. Two goals in our favour and it would have been. If anyone bottled it it is Forest!
Should of kept the same team that beat Sheff Wed, we looked clueless. Losing possession very easily. No urgency, misplaced passes.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 22, 2020, 09:39:47 PM
If anyone has bottled it it is Brentford. West Brom have crawled over the line showing that pressure can have a great effect on anyone. After all of this the team that I feel sorry for is Barnsley. They have shown real fight.
barnsley will be safe, no way can Wigan over turn the deduction. The rules are clear administration = 12 points deduction
Quote from: Robbie on July 22, 2020, 09:40:22 PM
OP is a bit daft ... we were massive outsiders ....
did you not read it. I said I know we wouldn't have gone up anyway. We bottled what we needed to do regardless
Imagine at the start of the season if anyone had have said kamara is better than knockaert
Quote from: MikeCdawg on July 22, 2020, 09:44:20 PM
Imagine at the start of the season if anyone had have said kamara is better than knockaert
i would have, and did
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 22, 2020, 09:39:47 PM
If anyone has bottled it it is Brentford. West Brom have crawled over the line showing that pressure can have a great effect on anyone. After all of this the team that I feel sorry for is Barnsley. They have shown real fight.
Barnsley has survived.
Sheff Wed are also getting deduction, did I read that somewhere?
Bottled all three big games, including West Brom and Brentford as well. Time to show up for the big games.
I don't think we bottled it. This is football and Wigan are a good in form side. Always going to be an edgy one.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 22, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: MikeCdawg on July 22, 2020, 09:44:20 PM
Imagine at the start of the season if anyone had have said kamara is better than knockaert
i would have, and did
Hmm sceptical...not saying you're lying. But I don't believe you lol
Quote from: MikeCdawg on July 22, 2020, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on July 22, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: MikeCdawg on July 22, 2020, 09:44:20 PM
Imagine at the start of the season if anyone had have said kamara is better than knockaert
i would have, and did
Hmm sceptical...not saying you're lying. But I don't believe you lol
kamara is my thumb nail picture, he's my favourite player. The only one who does anything exciting on the pitch. He always makes my first 11
I agree Ben...
I fear we will do the same in the playoffs
Too slow in buildup and defensively frail
Oh and Nitro can't hit the target with headers despite his size and strength for some reason.
I hope I have to eat my words but I fear that Scott doesn't pick the right team and set us up right.
Just ny opinion and so hope I'm talking bull!
Quote from: ashteadFFC on July 22, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
I don't think we bottled it. This is football and Wigan are a good in form side. Always going to be an edgy one.
This. We went for it and had a decent game, just like Wigan did. They are in fact one of the best sides in the league for the last 6 months, and were never going to be push overs. Just because some posters are as clueless as ever don't mean we bottled it. Brentford and Nottingham Forest are the bottlers if any.
Just glad that cr@p first half didn't end up costing us promotion. It wasn't meant to be on the night.
We can win the play offs though, no doubt about it!!
049:gif COYW
Five goals against Wednesday but here we were again today struggling to get a goal, a few wild shots but nothing ,other than Kebano's free kick, to really bother their keeper. We really have to sharpen our attack for the play offs.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 22, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: MikeCdawg on July 22, 2020, 09:44:20 PM
Imagine at the start of the season if anyone had have said kamara is better than knockaert
i would have, and did
Me too
Quote from: filham on July 22, 2020, 09:53:53 PM
Five goals against Wednesday but here we were again today struggling to get a goal, a few wild shots but nothing ,other than Kebano's free kick, to really bother their keeper. We really have to sharpen our attack for the play offs.
That's exactly it.
Well, it was only the previous game to this one we scored 5.
Understandably nervy yesterday and Wigan really came at us, and looked a good, skilful side, with a threat up front, we actually did well defensively not to lose this game.
We missed Harrison though.
In the end it didn't matter that we didn't win, with WBA drawing - and they just scraped over the line after being certs all season, and look at Brentford, they will feel the pressure now. Did they shoot their bolt too early?
i think we are just coming into form.
Forget about winning the game, it was an awful performance. It's the fact that from Saturday's performance, you end up with a performance like yesterdays. It was 'chalk and cheese'. I lost count of the number of times we lost 'the ball'.
Yes Wigan has had a 'upturn' in form, but that doesn't explain why we kept giving the ball away.
Arter was on the deck more then 'B & Q Decking'.
I think Wigan made it hard for us, pressured us on the ball whenever we got possession, they looked confident and certainly up for it.
It was tough game, which Wigan probably deserved to win.
We defended well to keep them out.
Arter made some errors, - well he rushes around, into everything, but they all did, even Hector, but had a decent game I thought. He certainly gives his all, and doesn't hide.
We really missed Reed though.
For me in the real big games we have fallen short. The games where we could have made second, WBA and yesterday. The drive, energy and yes motivation and game plans failed us.
Parker has a team built to grind out the points without any real flair. We have been there or thereabouts nearly all season but without pulling any trees up.
I thought we would be playoffs before seasn began, but I thought that would be because we attacked like mad with the team we had but would let goals in as well. In the end we have been just very middle of the road.
Does middle of the road get you through the knockout stages of pkayoffs is the question.
Did we bottle it yesterday, actually I think it was Barnsley home that we really did.
Quote from: MJG on July 23, 2020, 08:13:41 AM
For me in the real big games we have fallen short. The games where we could have made second, WBA and yesterday. The drive, energy and yes motivation and game plans failed us.
Parker has a team built to grind out the points without any real flair. We have been there or thereabouts nearly all season but without pulling any trees up.
I thought we would be playoffs before seasn began, but I thought that would be because we attacked like mad with the team we had but would let goals in as well. In the end we have been just very middle of the road.
Does middle of the road get you through the knockout stages of pkayoffs is the question.
Did we bottle it yesterday, actually I think it was Barnsley home that we really did.
:plus one:
Quote from: MJG on July 23, 2020, 08:13:41 AM
For me in the real big games we have fallen short. The games where we could have made second, WBA and yesterday. The drive, energy and yes motivation and game plans failed us.
Parker has a team built to grind out the points without any real flair. We have been there or thereabouts nearly all season but without pulling any trees up.
I thought we would be playoffs before seasn began, but I thought that would be because we attacked like mad with the team we had but would let goals in as well. In the end we have been just very middle of the road.
Does middle of the road get you through the knockout stages of pkayoffs is the question.
Did we bottle it yesterday, actually I think it was Barnsley home that we really did.
Agree 100%.
Too many times do I read "High & wide" - I imagine someone has the stats for shots taken/shots on target for the season but I'm guessing it's about 4 to 1.
Quote from: keithh on July 23, 2020, 08:35:38 AM
Too many times do I read "High & wide" - I imagine someone has the stats for shots taken/shots on target for the season but I'm guessing it's about 4 to 1.
I like Knockhart for his business and he does get in positions to score, but if he could only lean over a ball when shooting he would many more goals this season.
Most things in life get tougher to do the longer you leave them festering, decaying or unresolved. You could say that the future was writ loud and large in that defeat against Barnsley. Lots of promise in a side that didn't ever reach a level you could be sure of fulfillment. Just an empty promise. Brilliant play one moment; dire and disastrous the next. Unreliable throughout and that'll be carried over into the next two / three games. Could go any number of different ways depending which team turns up and whether or not Parker has a viable plan up his sleeve. I am not convinced our head coach has enough in him, but we shall see.
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on July 23, 2020, 08:43:26 AM
Quote from: keithh on July 23, 2020, 08:35:38 AM
Too many times do I read "High & wide" - I imagine someone has the stats for shots taken/shots on target for the season but I'm guessing it's about 4 to 1.
I like Knockhart for his business and he does get in positions to score, but if he could only lean over a ball when shooting he would many more goals this season.
he reminds me of Zamora in his first season. He looks like he is smashing every shot as hard as he can. He needs a little finesse, and to realise that accuracy is far more important than power
Quote from: MJG on July 23, 2020, 08:13:41 AM
For me in the real big games we have fallen short. The games where we could have made second, WBA and yesterday. The drive, energy and yes motivation and game plans failed us.
Parker has a team built to grind out the points without any real flair. We have been there or thereabouts nearly all season but without pulling any trees up.
I thought we would be playoffs before seasn began, but I thought that would be because we attacked like mad with the team we had but would let goals in as well. In the end we have been just very middle of the road.
Does middle of the road get you through the knockout stages of pkayoffs is the question.
Did we bottle it yesterday, actually I think it was Barnsley home that we really did.
+1
Quote from: toshes mate on July 23, 2020, 08:45:37 AM
Most things in life get tougher to do the longer you leave them festering, decaying or unresolved. You could say that the future was writ loud and large in that defeat against Barnsley. Lots of promise in a side that didn't ever reach a level you could be sure of fulfillment. Just an empty promise. Brilliant play one moment; dire and disastrous the next. Unreliable throughout and that'll be carried over into the next two / three games. Could go any number of different ways depending which team turns up and whether or not Parker has a viable plan up his sleeve. I am not convinced our head coach has enough in him, but we shall see.
Good post. We flatter to deceive, you would think that Parker would want to build on the Wednesday performance.
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on July 23, 2020, 08:43:26 AM
Quote from: keithh on July 23, 2020, 08:35:38 AM
Too many times do I read "High & wide" - I imagine someone has the stats for shots taken/shots on target for the season but I'm guessing it's about 4 to 1.
I like Knockhart for his business and he does get in positions to score, but if he could only lean over a ball when shooting he would many more goals this season.
The big problem is that there isn't much variation to his game, he mostly wants to cut in and shoot, when a pass or cross might be a better option. When the opportunity has gone, the ball eventually reaches our half.
I thought this thread would be about Brentford. Who on earth loses to Barnsley, ahem.
I mean, we bottled it this season, not yesterday. Being this close and to automatic and finishing 4th just doesn't feel like an achievement to me. Sorry if this bursts a bubble but I can't celebrate this mediocrity.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 22, 2020, 09:48:44 PM
Quote from: MikeCdawg on July 22, 2020, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on July 22, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: MikeCdawg on July 22, 2020, 09:44:20 PM
Imagine at the start of the season if anyone had have said kamara is better than knockaert
i would have, and did
Hmm sceptical...not saying you're lying. But I don't believe you lol
kamara is my thumb nail picture, he's my favourite player. The only one who does anything exciting on the pitch. He always makes my first 11
He looks overweight !
Quote from: ashteadFFC on July 22, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
I don't think we bottled it. This is football and Wigan are a good in form side. Always going to be an edgy one.
Precisely.
As regards 'the games we should have won', every footballer supporter in the country will be saying the same. What about all the games we won which could easily have ended up as draws ? Football fans as a whole are rarely happy.
To be fair, everyone bottled it. Three times in the mix for autos and not a single one of us won!
Brentford bottled it - they could have gone up with a win.
Forest bottled it - they could have made the play-offs.
Charlton bottled it - they could have stayed up with a win and were playing a team with nothing to play for.
WIGAN bottled it - they also could have stayed up with a win and were playing a team with nothing to play for
We got a draw in a game where we had nothing to play for and the opposition were in form and fighting for their lives. We have two much bigger matches coming up in the next few days. It may not have been the best performance but I don't see how on earth you can say we bottled this one.
Quote from: Statto on July 23, 2020, 09:42:34 AM
Brentford bottled it - they could have gone up with a win.
Forest bottled it - they could have made the play-offs.
Charlton bottled it - they could have stayed up with a win and were playing a team with nothing to play for.
WIGAN bottled it - they also could have stayed up with a win and were playing a team with nothing to play for
We got a draw in a game where we had nothing to play for and the opposition were in form and fighting for their lives. We have two much bigger matches coming up in the next few days. It may not have been the best performance but I don't see how on earth you can say we bottled this one.
Agree 100%. If you analyse your own club failings you in fairness have to analyse every other club for honest comparisons.
Brentford had to win their last 2 games for automatic promotion and lost both. We were never in that position. The season is about 46 games not the few that some wish to highlight time after time. 049:gif
Quote from: Statto on July 23, 2020, 09:42:34 AM
Brentford bottled it - they could have gone up with a win.
Forest bottled it - they could have made the play-offs.
Charlton bottled it - they could have stayed up with a win and were playing a team with nothing to play for.
WIGAN bottled it - they also could have stayed up with a win and were playing a team with nothing to play for
We got a draw in a game where we had nothing to play for and the opposition were in form and fighting for their lives. We have two much bigger matches coming up in the next few days. It may not have been the best performance but I don't see how on earth you can say we bottled this one.
Can you imagine being a Forest fan this morning? A few weeks ago they had an outside shot at autos (neck and neck with us). They were nailed on play offs. Even going into last night as they a 5 goal swing on Swansea. Who needed a bigger miracle than the one we needed, and yet... Forest WDL the last three weeks is horrendous! I don't see Lamouchi keeping his job (and some were raving about him).
Quote from: MJG on July 23, 2020, 08:13:41 AM
For me in the real big games we have fallen short. The games where we could have made second, WBA and yesterday. The drive, energy and yes motivation and game plans failed us.
Parker has a team built to grind out the points without any real flair. We have been there or thereabouts nearly all season but without pulling any trees up.
I thought we would be playoffs before seasn began, but I thought that would be because we attacked like mad with the team we had but would let goals in as well. In the end we have been just very middle of the road.
Does middle of the road get you through the knockout stages of pkayoffs is the question.
Did we bottle it yesterday, actually I think it was Barnsley home that we really did.
Could not agree more - this is spot on. The only thing I would add is that Charlton away was a game when I thought we needed to step up - the game was there for the taking - but we just whimpered to the final whistle. Underwhelming is the word that best describes the season for me. Still we are still in it and could well make it . Fingers crossed.
Seems to standard now to say it was 'bottled' when a team doesn't win a crucial game. Really don't think that was the case yesterday for us. We had a highly motivated opponent. Could we have played better? Yes. Bottling is what Nottingham Forest did yesterday...