Fielded a strong team today and lost. Also lost to palace despite 70% possession. Not good signs for them and a clear team for us to try and better.
Simply can't tell with them.
They let Leicester beat them 9-0 last season, yet after that game went on a good run of form.
Yes...they will be in the relegation battle with us...as will West Brom, Leeds, Villa and West Ham.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 16, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Simply can't tell with them.
They let Leicester beat them 9-0 last season, yet after that game went on a good run of form.
Yes...they will be in the relegation battle with us...as will West Brom, Leeds, Villa and West Ham.
The way the media keep going on about Leeds and Bielsa I expect them to win the league by at least 20 points! They lost to Hull tonight! I bet that wont be headlining tomorrow
Leeds did make 11 changes though
Quote from: Andy S on September 16, 2020, 10:34:11 PM
Leeds did make 11 changes though
We made rather a lot too, but unlike Leeds we beat our third division opponents.
They will be fine. I still think WestHam and WestBrom are my first two to go down.
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Quote from: Radiowhite on September 16, 2020, 11:16:53 PM
Quote from: Andy S on September 16, 2020, 10:34:11 PM
Leeds did make 11 changes though
We made 9
We made 9 changes to field better players, tho
Their manager is the greatest manager in the history of football apparently, so I'd expect them to beat everyone regardless of personnel. I hope we turn them over, just to shut some people up.
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Quote from: Andy S on September 16, 2020, 10:34:11 PM
Leeds did make 11 changes though
That says a lot about the lack of depth in Leeds. They'll burn out.
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Quote from: Radiowhite on September 16, 2020, 11:16:53 PM
Quote from: Andy S on September 16, 2020, 10:34:11 PM
Leeds did make 11 changes though
We made 9
We made 9 changes to field better players, tho
I wouldn't say Odoi, MLM, Robinson, BDR, Knockaert and Kebano were better than the players they replaced. And the others we brought it were lacking fitness and familiarity with our team. One of Leeds' changes was to start Rodrigo. IMO they took exactly the same approach as us - played the second string, new signings and players lacking sharpness
if ings were to get injured maybe. they were in freefall before he turned it on last season.
Way too early to tell. Hassenhutl knows what he's doing. They should be fine, I think. West Ham looks to implode and West Brom is going to struggle a lot like us.
I don't
Quote from: Denzil Dexter on September 16, 2020, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 16, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Simply can't tell with them.
They let Leicester beat them 9-0 last season, yet after that game went on a good run of form.
Yes...they will be in the relegation battle with us...as will West Brom, Leeds, Villa and West Ham.
The way the media keep going on about Leeds and Bielsa I expect them to win the league by at least 20 points! They lost to Hull tonight! I bet that wont be headlining tomorrow
My wish list for relegation, Leeds, West Ham and Aston Villa.
Wait until end of November to get a truer picture of who's worse than us
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on September 17, 2020, 07:35:51 AM
Wait until end of November to get a truer picture of who's worse than us
I think Palace will also struggle. They have the oldest squad in the Premier League and are overly reliant on zaha
Quote from: OhConnah on September 16, 2020, 11:52:05 PM
Quote from: Andy S on September 16, 2020, 10:34:11 PM
Leeds did make 11 changes though
That says a lot about the lack of depth in Leeds. They'll burn out.
This could become an issue for them. Bielsa didn't do much rotation. Granted, they managed it in the Championship, so they should be able to do it with 8 fewer games.
And if the shoe was on the other foot and Fulham went out in the cup people would roll out the "good we can focus on the league" or "who cares about the cup anyway" canard that usually comes out after we go out in the second round. Hope we can get a cup run for once though.
Good to know that we may have competition for those relegation places.
Southampton have a depleted squad and will need to bring in some more midfielders, but their greatest asset is their manager. I'd love to have him here, they have a great style of play and work hard for each other to make up for the lack of individual quality in some areas. They do also have a quality forward in Ings, which helps.
No. In a nutshell.
If he's still there, Redmond is also quality.
To answer the OP, yes I reckon they'll be in or around the bottom 3 this season.
I get the impression there's disharmony around the manager which is the hallmark of a team in trouble.
Southampton this year reek of our relegation year in 2013. A team in the PL that for a few seasons were just sneaking by while the rot festered.
It's hard to say who will struggle while the transfer window is open. If Southampton sell Ings and Palace sell Zaha the odds on either being relegated will change.
I'm not sure where the squad being upset with manager etc come from, they seem fine, just frustrated by a typical gritty counter attacking Hodgeson outfit. Weirdly enough, they desperately need a CB, Vestergaard is, in the eyes of a lot of their supporters, the Le Marchand of Southampton. I think Saints will be fine, around 11th-15th happily as long as they keep Ings. Che Adams has looked much, much better as times goes on and they have good pacey widemen. I expect them to strengthen in this window too so I wouldn't be quick to write them off yet.
WestBrom and WestHam look way worse on bother paper and on the field and on form.
Can't see it. I think they'll beat Spurs this weekend. They had the majority of the possession, plenty of shots on goal and more shots on target than Palace, last weekend.
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 17, 2020, 04:56:25 PM
I'm not sure where the squad being upset with manager etc come from, they seem fine,
Maybe I'm reading too much into small things. Lemina obviously didn't want to work with him. Ings seems to want out. He was very critical of his players yesterday, saying they'd allowed their fitness to drop in the close season.
Quote from: Statto on September 17, 2020, 08:05:14 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 17, 2020, 04:56:25 PM
I'm not sure where the squad being upset with manager etc come from, they seem fine,
Maybe I'm reading too much into small things. Lemina obviously didn't want to work with him. Ings seems to want out. He was very critical of his players yesterday, saying they'd allowed their fitness to drop in the close season.
Maybe, or you might well be right, I just haven't seen anything. Does Ings want out? I thought he was happy after an interview recently where he said he loved playing for the team he loves etc. As for Lemina, I get the impression it was two big personalities and only one winner....
18th Burnley
19th Sheff Utd
20th West Brom
Totally capitulated in the second half today
Quote from: Statto on September 20, 2020, 01:42:21 PM
Totally capitulated in the second half today
kane and son have been different gravy today. Doubt they will come up against an attack playing as well as those two did again this season. But yes they could be in the mix with us.
They've been poor today. Spurs looked poor last weekend and I fancied Southampton today but they've been way off the pace in the second half. Son has been immense. Still think Southampton will be fine.
This thread aged well 🤣😂😁😃
Yes a week in football is a long time let alone a month, and two months is an eternity.
It's a funny old game. Where are they in the League today ? It's good to see other team share the summit even it is only for 24 hours, let's hope Fulham can get a result today, we are capable and we do really need to pick up points wherever we play.
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I don't Quote from: Denzil Dexter on September 16, 2020, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 16, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Simply can't tell with them.
They let Leicester beat them 9-0 last season, yet after that game went on a good run of form.
Yes...they will be in the relegation battle with us...as will West Brom, Leeds, Villa and West Ham.
The way the media keep going on about Leeds and Bielsa I expect them to win the league by at least 20 points! They lost to Hull tonight! I bet that wont be headlining tomorrow
My wish list for relegation, Leeds, West Ham and Aston Villa.
Notice I said 'I don't' at the top, I don't think they will do a Leicester either, plum 'midtable'. What they have created is team spirit and playing to their strengths. Everyone knows what Ings brings, Ward - Prowse, etc bring. They get the ball up the pitch quickly.
Find me the pundit who at the beginning of the season would have even hinted that Shef. U. would be bottom and Southampton top of the premier league.
Starting to get annoyed with these cycles of massive overreaction and/or WUM "I told you so" comments when predictions momentarily look wrong. The league table means very little at the moment. The big teams are all over the place and it's still the start of the season, so if anyone else can put a couple of b2b wins together they look like they could "do a Leicester". Think we've had these sorts of posts about Leeds, Villa and Southampton so far. As others have pointed out we can go above Man Utd with certain (albeit unlikely) results today. If that happens I look forward to reading that we're going to win the league.
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 11:17:00 AM
Starting to get annoyed with these cycles of massive overreaction followed by WUM "I told you so" comments soon after. The big teams are all over the place at the moment and it's still the start of the season, so if anyone else can put a couple of b2b wins together they look like they could "do a Leicester". Think we've had these sorts of posts about Leeds, Villa and Southampton so far. As others have pointed out we can go above Man Utd with certain (albeit unlikely) results today. If that happens I look forward to reading that we're going to win the league.
Is that directed at me?
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 11:17:00 AM
Starting to get annoyed with these cycles of massive overreaction followed by WUM "I told you so" comments soon after. The big teams are all over the place at the moment and it's still the start of the season, so if anyone else can put a couple of b2b wins together they look like they could "do a Leicester". Think we've had these sorts of posts about Leeds, Villa and Southampton so far. As others have pointed out we can go above Man Utd with certain (albeit unlikely) results today. If that happens I look forward to reading that we're going to win the league.
Saints were never going to be relegation candidates though so I think some egg on face bantering is fine here!
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 11:30:11 AM
Saints were never going to be relegation candidates though so I think some egg on face bantering is fine here!
Exhibit A
If they're still in the top 6 in May then by all means come back to this thread
Bruh.
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 11:30:11 AM
Saints were never going to be relegation candidates though so I think some egg on face bantering is fine here!
Exhibit A
If they're still in the top 6 in May then by all means come back to this thread
They won't be, but they do remind me of Leicester in the way they play. If they are I will sing 'we are the champions' in F minor.
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 11:30:11 AM
Saints were never going to be relegation candidates though so I think some egg on face bantering is fine here!
Exhibit A
If they're still in the top 6 in May then by all means come back to this thread
Why top 6? I just said they weren't going to be relegation candidates!
Have to be honest? This post hasn't aged well and hasenhutti? Has done a solid job with them and they seem to have turned a corner, I do think the thread was fair given the time it was posted and also would put in the caveat perhaps of suggesting that two of their five wins came against burnley and West brom and two others came against villa and Newcastle.
Even we've beaten west Bromwich and believe both west Bromwich and burnley are still currently without a win.
They may not go down, but that could very well be down to the poor quality of the three teams currently in the bottom 3.
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 11:30:11 AM
Saints were never going to be relegation candidates though so I think some egg on face bantering is fine here!
Exhibit A
If they're still in the top 6 in May then by all means come back to this thread
Why top 6? I just said they weren't going to be relegation candidates!
Ok well I will modify it to top 8 instead of top 6, and say that everyone from 9th downwards has the potential to be sucked into a relegation battle in this division. 9th and 10th last year was Burnley and Sheffield United. So no Southampton probably won't go down this year because of the start they've had but they'll still (along with Leeds, Villa and us) be among the teams in a relegation battle or on the precipice thereof. So anyone like the OP who asked whether they might go down isn't really far wrong.
IMO
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 17, 2020, 02:11:41 AM
Way too early to tell. Hassenhutl knows what he's doing. They should be fine, I think. West Ham looks to implode and West Brom is going to struggle a lot like us.
This guy knows his footie.
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 11:30:11 AM
Saints were never going to be relegation candidates though so I think some egg on face bantering is fine here!
Exhibit A
If they're still in the top 6 in May then by all means come back to this thread
Why top 6? I just said they weren't going to be relegation candidates!
Ok well I will modify it to top 8 instead of top 6, and say that everyone from 9th downwards has the potential to be sucked into a relegation battle in this division. 9th and 10th last year was Burnley and Sheffield United. So no Southampton probably won't go down this year because of the start they've had but they'll still (along with Leeds, Villa and us) be among the teams in a relegation battle or on the precipice thereof. So anyone like the OP who asked whether they might go down isn't really far wrong.
IMO
They wont be involved in a relegation battle in any way shape or form, and anybody that said that they will be "in or around the bottom three" couldn't have been any more wrong if they had tried,
Which is fine we've all made mistakes, but sometimes you have to just hold your hands up instead of trying to justify the hopeless prediction.
Quote from: filham on November 07, 2020, 10:21:41 AM
Find me the pundit who at the beginning of the season would have even hinted that Shef. U. would be bottom and Southampton top of the premier league.
Exactly. Pundits are fake news mostly. It's how they make a living.
Things could change a lot before the end of the season.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on November 07, 2020, 01:19:48 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 17, 2020, 02:11:41 AM
Way too early to tell. Hassenhutl knows what he's doing. They should be fine, I think. West Ham looks to implode and West Brom is going to struggle a lot like us.
This guy knows his footie.
The jury is out, you could look at it this way, all the top teams are pants at the moment, no team is streaking ahead, normally the top 6 are flying, hasn't happened, so Southampton's average performances has propelled them to the top.
Quote from: Riversider on November 07, 2020, 01:27:11 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 11:30:11 AM
Saints were never going to be relegation candidates though so I think some egg on face bantering is fine here!
Exhibit A
If they're still in the top 6 in May then by all means come back to this thread
Why top 6? I just said they weren't going to be relegation candidates!
Ok well I will modify it to top 8 instead of top 6, and say that everyone from 9th downwards has the potential to be sucked into a relegation battle in this division. 9th and 10th last year was Burnley and Sheffield United. So no Southampton probably won't go down this year because of the start they've had but they'll still (along with Leeds, Villa and us) be among the teams in a relegation battle or on the precipice thereof. So anyone like the OP who asked whether they might go down isn't really far wrong.
IMO
They wont be involved in a relegation battle in any way shape or form, and anybody that said that they will be "in or around the bottom three" couldn't have been any more wrong if they had tried,
Which is fine we've all made mistakes, but sometimes you have to just hold your hands up instead of trying to justify the hopeless prediction.
Lol, you are some kind of WUM Riversider. Ain't you got anything better to do? Anyway I look forward to coming back to this in a few months, and making you look silly like I did on the TK thread yesterday with your own silly contradictions.
On the strength of today I think they are safe
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2020, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2020, 11:30:11 AM
Saints were never going to be relegation candidates though so I think some egg on face bantering is fine here!
Exhibit A
If they're still in the top 6 in May then by all means come back to this thread
Why top 6? I just said they weren't going to be relegation candidates!
Ok well I will modify it to top 8 instead of top 6, and say that everyone from 9th downwards has the potential to be sucked into a relegation battle in this division. 9th and 10th last year was Burnley and Sheffield United. So no Southampton probably won't go down this year because of the start they've had but they'll still (along with Leeds, Villa and us) be among the teams in a relegation battle or on the precipice thereof. So anyone like the OP who asked whether they might go down isn't really far wrong.
IMO
I don't know, we'll see but I don't see them in any sort of relegation battle. We all make bad predictions though, I said Westham would struggle but look at them since then! Its fine to be wrong and its also fine we have a little laugh about it.
Sinking like a stone
Bottom of the form table
Less points than us and even less than Sheffield since 7 December
Only 4 pts between them and Newcastle in the table
Not looking so far off relegation candidates now...
Could be a 6-pointer when we play them in May
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Quote from: Statto on February 15, 2021, 02:05:41 AM
Sinking like a stone
Bottom of the form table
Less points than us and even less than Sheffield since 7 December
Only 4 pts between them and Newcastle in the table
Not looking so far off relegation candidates now...
Could be a 6-pointer when we play them in May
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I was going to message you today actually! Although they were very unfortunate against Wolves. VAR was a farce with the two penalty decisions!
Having said that, injuries have disrupted there season massively. There's definitely an issue there though, with Ward-Prowse producing Worldy freekicks, which perhaps paved over some of the cracks, they're certainly struggling of late.
Let's not get too carried away though, they're see a win away from being 11th and have a nice gap margin above relegation so I still think they'll finish comfortably above but probably around the 14th Mark so not as high as I previously thought!