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Don't see this working out any differently from the Villareal deal. They already have a good price, doubt we'll be lowering our demands. They've been trying to haggle since November.
Really hope this gets done and he doesn't re-appear for pre season with us again. We need to move on and so does Zambo.
€15m is a bargain and he's been one of their best players. If they don't want to pay it then walk away and someone else in Serie A or La Liga will pay the €15m. We don't need to sell him if we go up but if we do want to offload him then there's no point being lowballed by Napoli as they were happy paying the 15m before and are just being tight now
Agreed, high time Zambo moved on BUT Napoli Chairman has a Levy type reputation for trying discount deals. Time to stay strong AGAIN Fulham.
Zambo in the Reed role next season :HD: :HD: :HD: :HD:
Our midfield has not regularly been up to expectation this season and if we get promoted there will be need of him at the Cottage again.
Wanted him gone and don't want him back!
We should move on from him I think,even though I don't dislike him. He needs a good coach to turn him into just a DM and not box to box but that won't happen at FFC.
If we get less than 15 Mil for him (which is incredibly cheap already) it'll be another stella TC&AM transfer special...
Whilst I think he's worth more than £15m, I can't see teams in Spain/Italy (where he's most known) having so much cash to spend.
I'd prefer him hear next year tbh, but I know there's many on here who'd disagree.
I think our squad is much better with him in it. He doesn't want to stick around when we get relegated, so from an emotional perspective I can fully understand why many don't want him around. Putting feelings to one side, I think his inclusion helps rather than hinders our prospects of survival. He was decent last season. Unshackled by Parker Ball, he becomes even better especially when driving forward.
Quote from: Ruislip White on March 06, 2022, 01:26:52 PM
I think our squad is much better with him in it. He doesn't want to stick around when we get relegated, so from an emotional perspective I can fully understand why many don't want him around. Putting feelings to one side, I think his inclusion helps rather than hinders our prospects of survival. He was decent last season. Unshackled by Parker Ball, he becomes even better especially when driving forward.
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If Napoli do not want to pay the money tell them to get lost and integrate Anguissa into our Premier League squad - he was very good last year and I am sure Marco would be able to get even more out of him - it would also mean one less player to buy!
In theory too good to have on our bench, but I doubt he has starting claims for any role in particular. He is built to be a DM but isn't reliably, and after years with multi-clubs he as near as matters never scores or assists. Although it rarely ends up leading anywhere, he is a fine ball-carrier, so useful for retaining possession and giving us a breather. And he's a big unit of course. Both those traits could make him handy from the bench when trying to close out a match to retain a point or three. To chase results, no, either as a starter or a sub.
When he was playing for us I liked him, I liked him a lot. He became one of the top rated players in his position in La Liga and now in Serie A. For such a player 15m. would seem a bargain.
And yet, I have seen him a few times this season for Napoli and for Cameroon and begin to wonder what he actually contributes. He looks great as he moves around the field and doesn't make mistakes, but doesn't seem to actually DO anything. I wonder if this is why Napoli are looking for a discount. Or are they just tight, or short of cash, or both?
The other elephant in Frank's room is his almost comical inability to put the ball in the net for his club sides. You don't expect your DM to be a goal machine, but you do expect a midfielder to chip in with the occasional score. In 192 games for Fulham, OM and Napoli Frank has chalked up precisely ZERO goals. When he scored 2 in his season in Spain they declared a public holiday.
Good summary Geezer. Zambo has the physique and ball skills but lacks football intelligence. This is why the game often bypasses him and less gifted players outperform him.
Others quote stats about tackles won but what they fail to see is that, due to his poor reading of the game and resultant inability to be in the right place, he rarely intercepts and is too far from the ball even to contest many tackles. The stats only count those he is involved in, not the many he should be but isn't.
If it's a straight choice, give me Harrison any day. If it's a Dickson Etuhu you want, get one who can read the play, as without that essential, you're a passenger.
After watching Marco bring Seri back from the castoffs, I have no doubt he could re-integrate FZA back in if needed.
Napoli would be getting a better than fair deal at 15m. Heading for promotion, Fulham hold all the bargaining power now. That was not the case in the summer. To sell him for less than the agreed upon price at this point would be foolish. There is no way they would be able to obtain a superior player for less.
Quote from: millsy on March 06, 2022, 02:06:14 PM
If it's a straight choice, give me Harrison any day. If it's a Dickson Etuhu you want, get one who can read the play, as without that essential, you're a passenger.
Pretty much. He's famously unproductive (merely sometimes eyecatching) going forward, but equally (as you say) is too hit-and-miss in defensive senses. You cannot really rely on him as a DM. Interesting reference to Etuhu, who clearly hit his heights here with Murphy and others around him, just filling in spaces out of possession and doing simple things. If that were the spec again then Chalobah would match it more closely than Zambo would.
Anyone know how long is left on his contract? If it's just a year, probably best to cash in now?
Quote from: Whitesideup on March 06, 2022, 02:47:50 PM
Anyone know how long is left on his contract? If it's just a year, probably best to cash in now?
It runs out in 2024.
Don't want him, he is no club man, does not play within the framework of the team, poor ethics and players with his attitude are a bad smell in the Fulham dressing room.
Move him on he has shown his lack of commitment on more than one occasion.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 06, 2022, 03:47:05 PM
Don't want him, he is no club man, does not play within the framework of the team, poor ethics and players with his attitude are a bad smell in the Fulham dressing room.
Move him on he has shown his lack of commitment on more than one occasion.
I can't blame him for not wanting to play championship football but I do agree that I don't think he really cares about fulham so time to go our separate ways me thinks
We have two years left on his contract. We're not going to bid against ourselves to give a discount on an already cheap option for a player of his caliber.
It's a shame. We need someone like Healthy Motivated Anguissa in the middle of the park next season and likely will have to pay more than 15m Euros for a replacement (or an expensive loan), but at this point, I think too much damage has been done.
(My bigger question is whether Seri can start for us next season. He's absolutely not a 6 in the Prem, but could he be the 8? No idea, honestly.)
Quote from: Denver Fulham on March 06, 2022, 06:54:26 PM
We need someone like.....Anguissa in the middle of the park next season .....but at this point, I think too much damage has been done.
Stripped down, those are the two points of debate, with some of us citing both of them and some just one.
I'm one of those who isn't into the second of those thoughts, but rather (like others above) wonder what exactly this key role is that we'll need someone else to perform if not him. Not a goals creation role for sure. Is it a defensive one? Hmmm.
A high quality genuine DM or left-side CB would be great additions. Trading him in for either would be a win.
Think that his role is to be able to link between defense and attack when space is tight. The ability to be able to dribble past a player in the centre of the park to create space and also better at winning the ball back than he gets credit for.
He'd fit alright in the system Silva has been playing, I think that Reed is being somewhat misused in the position he is at the moment and a player like Anguissa would fit better alongside the more holding midfielder (usually Seri this season).
I'd prefer to keep Anguissa than sell him for £15m. Let's not forget we bought Knockaert, Caverlio, and Reid who aren't as good (or as young) for similar prices to £15m (once you include both their loan fee and transfer fee combined). This season Leicester spent more than £15m on Boubakary Soumaré and Spurs spent more than £15m on Rodrigo Bentancur, so £15m doesn't buy an EPL star.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 07, 2022, 03:20:32 AM
I'd prefer to keep Anguissa than sell him for £15m. Let's not forget we bought Knockaert, Caverlio, and Reid who aren't as good (or as young) for similar prices to £15m (once you include both their loan fee and transfer fee combined). This season Leicester spent more than £15m on Boubakary Soumaré and Spurs spent more than £15m on Rodrigo Bentancur, so £15m doesn't buy an EPL star.
I agree on your comparison with Knockaeart, Cavaleiro and Reid. The problem is Anguissa just does not contribute enough when he is on the pitch (in fact arguably less than at least two of the players you mention).
The way I see it - we get £15m that will go towards buying a £25m+ player. This time it needs to be someone who is suited to the Premier League and has more than one of the required attributes to be a decent central midfielder (unlike Anguissa and Seri)...
I'd love to see how he fits into a Marco Silva team, he has the dynamism that Silva loves and think he could do a brilliant job playing the Reed role as a number 8. So I hope we keep him.
I agree with B&W Geezer and Woolly M, and would add that:
His languid style is just is just is not suited to The Premiership,
For his size he rarely wins headers or 50/50 tackles,
He does not cover much ground for a so called midfield player.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on March 10, 2022, 06:47:17 PM
For his size he rarely wins headers or 50/50 tackles,
Easy to type but simply just wrong
Most disappointing player to ever play for Fulham. The fact he did it under multiple managers shows what a weak minded character he was.
To go from bench of Scotty Parker to almost now Serie-A champions is a disgrace. :031:
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 06, 2022, 03:47:05 PM
Don't want him, he is no club man, does not play within the framework of the team, poor ethics and players with his attitude are a bad smell in the Fulham dressing room.
Move him on he has shown his lack of commitment on more than one occasion.
I can't blame him for not wanting to play championship football but I do agree that I don't think he really cares about fulham so time to go our separate ways me thinks
Actually I do blame him for not wanting to play Championship football. It's only the second tier of football in one of the most competitive football leagues in the world. Our Championship is as good as the top tier in many countries.
And that's setting aside his complete failure to understand or honour any sort of commitment to his club.
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Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 07, 2022, 03:20:32 AM
I'd prefer to keep Anguissa than sell him for £15m. Let's not forget we bought Knockaert, Caverlio, and Reid who aren't as good (or as young) for similar prices to £15m (once you include both their loan fee and transfer fee combined). This season Leicester spent more than £15m on Boubakary Soumaré and Spurs spent more than £15m on Rodrigo Bentancur, so £15m doesn't buy an EPL star.
I agree on your comparison with Knockaeart, Cavaleiro and Reid. The problem is Anguissa just does not contribute enough when he is on the pitch (in fact arguably less than at least two of the players you mention).
The way I see it - we get £15m that will go towards buying a £25m+ player. This time it needs to be someone who is suited to the Premier League and has more than one of the required attributes to be a decent central midfielder (unlike Anguissa and Seri)...
That was always my issue with Zambo; neat and tidy? Sure. Good passer and ok in possession? Yes. But never scores, doesn't register assists, isn't a destructive tackler so what does he really contribute?
Anguissa has done well everywhere he has been (Marseille,Villarreal, Napoli) other than Fulham, he has played champions league football has played in a Europa final and has almost 50 international caps maybe just maybe the problem may have been Fulham and Silva may have the answers???
I would back Silva to get the best out of him. He's clearly a great man manager
He wanted to leave. Why would we want to keep someone who doesn't want to fight for us? Good player but no loyalty.
There's no way Areola or Anderson would play in the championship but I bet most fans would take them back in a heartbeat.
Quote from: Cookie6262 on March 10, 2022, 09:38:27 PM
There's no way Areola or Anderson would play in the championship but I bet most fans would take them back in a heartbeat.
Maybe so but don't confuse loanees with permanent transfers. Anguissa signed for the club , was part of a team that got relegated , and decided that he didn't want to play in the Championship ( when he was as much of a problem as the rest ) . Wrong attitude as far as I am concerned
Silva has got Seri playing well maybe he can do the same to Anguissa.
Quote from: cookieg on March 10, 2022, 09:56:13 PM
Silva has got Seri playing well maybe he can do the same to Anguissa.
Got to be worth a punt to supplement the other incoming players.
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Quote from: Cookie6262 on March 10, 2022, 09:38:27 PM
There's no way Areola or Anderson would play in the championship but I bet most fans would take them back in a heartbeat.
Maybe so but don't confuse loanees with permanent transfers. Anguissa signed for the club , was part of a team that got relegated , and decided that he didn't want to play in the Championship ( when he was as much of a problem as the rest ) . Wrong attitude as far as I am concerned
Agreed.
Quote from: Texas White on March 10, 2022, 08:40:59 PM
He wanted to leave. Why would we want to keep someone who doesn't want to fight for us? Good player but no loyalty.
None of these players are truly loyal to us, the ones that want to stay are those who don't have a better offer. After our promotion, Harrison Reed wanted to join Crystal Palace until they were adding midfielders and he realized he might not start. Mitrovic could join Spurs as a bench player, but that could mean he loses his starting spot for Serbia which isn't a great offer.
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 06, 2022, 03:47:05 PM
Don't want him, he is no club man, does not play within the framework of the team, poor ethics and players with his attitude are a bad smell in the Fulham dressing room.
Move him on he has shown his lack of commitment on more than one occasion.
I can't blame him for not wanting to play championship football but I do agree that I don't think he really cares about fulham so time to go our separate ways me thinks
Actually I do blame him for not wanting to play Championship football. It's only the second tier of football in one of the most competitive football leagues in the world. Our Championship is as good as the top tier in many countries.
And that's setting aside his complete failure to understand or honour any sort of commitment to his club.
Would you rather be playing for Napoli away to Milan in the San siro or on a wet Tuesday in Hull or at Peterborough?
That's the only question I pose because anguissa probably has never heard of either teams tbf to the lad. I get where you're coming from but I honestly think he made the right choice for him. Especially so if we just gave him away for 15 Mil. Says lots about how a club is run when you treat assets like that.
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 06, 2022, 03:47:05 PM
Don't want him, he is no club man, does not play within the framework of the team, poor ethics and players with his attitude are a bad smell in the Fulham dressing room.
Move him on he has shown his lack of commitment on more than one occasion.
I can't blame him for not wanting to play championship football but I do agree that I don't think he really cares about fulham so time to go our separate ways me thinks
Actually I do blame him for not wanting to play Championship football. It's only the second tier of football in one of the most competitive football leagues in the world. Our Championship is as good as the top tier in many countries.
And that's setting aside his complete failure to understand or honour any sort of commitment to his club.
Would you rather be playing for Napoli away to Milan in the San siro or on a wet Tuesday in Hull or at Peterborough?
That's the only question I pose because anguissa probably has never heard of either teams tbf to the lad. I get where you're coming from but I honestly think he made the right choice for him. Especially so if we just gave him away for 15 Mil. Says lots about how a club is run when you treat assets like that.
It seems only Anguissa's Agent and Anguissa'a family talks to Anguissa about career decisions, both of whom don't share their advice.
For all we know Anguissa is probably happy to play for Fulham in the second tier, but he has an agent that advises him on career decisions and after listening to the agent's advice, we know Anguissa would prefer to play for Napoli in Serie A than Fulham in the Second Tier.
Anguissa seems like the kind of person that listens to his advisors, whether it is his agent or coach, that isn't a bad thing and doesn't make him disloyal besides we weren't the academy that taught him football.
Quote from: ffcwickford on March 06, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
If Napoli do not want to pay the money tell them to get lost and integrate Anguissa into our Premier League squad - he was very good last year and I am sure Marco would be able to get even more out of him - it would also mean one less player to buy!
Quote from: ffcwickford on March 06, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
If Napoli do not want to pay the money tell them to get lost and integrate Anguissa into our Premier League squad - he was very good last year and I am sure Marco would be able to get even more out of him - it would also mean one less player to buy!
Not sure I really wanna go there again, boy has zero loyalty
Time to move on I reckon plus Seri is a far more positive player
A very intelligent thread and lots of excellent posts from people with knowledge
and sensible opinions.
It's the longest thread I've managed to read for a while and still be interested
and...no BS !
Well done chaps
Zambo and i agree on one thing which is that neither of us want to see him at Fulham.
Zambo because playing with Fulham players in the Championship alongside Mitro, Wilson, Fabio, Reed, Tete, Tosin, Seri, Kebano and the rest of the boys that have worked their socks off to see Fulham sailing towards promotion at the summit of the Championship playing attractive attacking football is not good enough for him.
and........
I don't want a big time Charlie like him with an attitude that stinks no matter what.
On top of that why risk fracturing the dressing over one surly player with poor ethics.
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 06, 2022, 03:47:05 PM
Don't want him, he is no club man, does not play within the framework of the team, poor ethics and players with his attitude are a bad smell in the Fulham dressing room.
Move him on he has shown his lack of commitment on more than one occasion.
I can't blame him for not wanting to play championship football but I do agree that I don't think he really cares about fulham so time to go our separate ways me thinks
Actually I do blame him for not wanting to play Championship football. It's only the second tier of football in one of the most competitive football leagues in the world. Our Championship is as good as the top tier in many countries.
And that's setting aside his complete failure to understand or honour any sort of commitment to his club.
Would you rather be playing for Napoli away to Milan in the San siro or on a wet Tuesday in Hull or at Peterborough?
That's the only question I pose because anguissa probably has never heard of either teams tbf to the lad. I get where you're coming from but I honestly think he made the right choice for him. Especially so if we just gave him away for 15 Mil. Says lots about how a club is run when you treat assets like that.
Let's be clear Zambo wasn't a loanee or a fringe participant, he was an integral part of the first team that got relegated. Having done so he went on strike because he point blank refused to drop one division along with his teammates. It doesn't matter which teams he's heard of (and anyhow that's just a guess), his attitude was purely to do "the right thing for Zambo Anguissa and sod Fulham". For that, yes I do blame him. Just think where we'd have been if ten or fifteen payers had all downed tools, madness.
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 06, 2022, 03:47:05 PM
Don't want him, he is no club man, does not play within the framework of the team, poor ethics and players with his attitude are a bad smell in the Fulham dressing room.
Move him on he has shown his lack of commitment on more than one occasion.
I can't blame him for not wanting to play championship football but I do agree that I don't think he really cares about fulham so time to go our separate ways me thinks
Actually I do blame him for not wanting to play Championship football. It's only the second tier of football in one of the most competitive football leagues in the world. Our Championship is as good as the top tier in many countries.
And that's setting aside his complete failure to understand or honour any sort of commitment to his club.
Would you rather be playing for Napoli away to Milan in the San siro or on a wet Tuesday in Hull or at Peterborough?
That's the only question I pose because anguissa probably has never heard of either teams tbf to the lad. I get where you're coming from but I honestly think he made the right choice for him. Especially so if we just gave him away for 15 Mil. Says lots about how a club is run when you treat assets like that.
Let's be clear Zambo wasn't a loanee or a fringe participant, he was an integral part of the first team that got relegated. Having done so he went on strike because he point blank refused to drop one division along with his teammates. It doesn't matter which teams he's heard of (and anyhow that's just a guess), his attitude was purely to do "the right thing for Zambo Anguissa and sod Fulham". For that, yes I do blame him. Just think where we'd have been if ten or fifteen payers had all downed tools, madness.
This "strike" thing is news to me. Has that been reported anywhere? Also, if you remember Anguissa did play for us this season, which doesn't sound like a player on strike. Has this actually happened, or is it yet another creation of the famous internet (honest question)?
Also, agree with TRF that probably most of our players would have happily left for a bigger club if they had offers. This loyalty thing is highly suspect in my opinion. Had Leicester made an offer for Reed he would most likely happily have left in the blink of an eye, or if Wolves had activated Tosin's clause he would not be here anymore. As some examples. There may be some exceptions, I believe for example that some players like Mitro really loves it here, which means that it would take more to tempt him to move.
What is important is how players act when they do represent Fulham, and I can't recall Anguissa not giving his all for Fulham when he's been on the field.
Frankly, this sounds almost exactly like the Seri debate, until he was given a proper run under a good manager and all of a sudden many posters conveniently forgot that they never wanted to see him in a Fulham shirt again.
If he actually in reality refused to play for Fulham in the Championship however I lean more towards not wanting him, but still prefer to give people more chances since it may actually be in the best interest of the club.
From the day we purchased Frank I have always stood up for him, said he needed time and could see that he has a lot of talent. That said, I now believe he has outlived his time as a Fulham employee and needs to move on. He is still an excellent player but there is a lack of significant output, ie assists and goals. One last thing, if we had him in the championship I suspect we would be in trouble with FFP, we may not have been able to get Wilson and certainly not Williams so I think it was in Fulhams interest to loan him out.
Quote " What is important is how players act when they do represent Fulham, and I can't recall Anguissa not giving his all for Fulham when he's been on the field. "
Well if he was giving his all - then his impact was "buxxer all " . Doesn't score , assists?? , tackles ?
As someone has already posted " neat and tidy - yes " - so is my wardrobe -which excites me more than seeing him in a Fulham shirt
Quote from: HV71 on March 11, 2022, 09:01:51 AM
Quote " What is important is how players act when they do represent Fulham, and I can't recall Anguissa not giving his all for Fulham when he's been on the field. "
Well if he was giving his all - then his impact was "buxxer all " . Doesn't score , assists?? , tackles ?
As someone has already posted " neat and tidy - yes " - so is my wardrobe -which excites me more than seeing him in a Fulham shirt
Harrison Reed didn't score or assist in the PL and he's also not looked likely to in 3 years now but that doesn't seem to be an issue for some people. Anguissa also had better tackling stats as he made 15 more last season; stat - https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_tackle (filter to 20/21 and then Fulham)
Quote from: filham on March 06, 2022, 12:10:36 PM
Our midfield has not regularly been up to expectation this season
Wow, I genuinely am not sure what games you watch. Our MF are one of the reasons we're about to break all sorts of records.
Harrison Reed / Anguissa - I know which one I would rather be playing alongside
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Quote " What is important is how players act when they do represent Fulham, and I can't recall Anguissa not giving his all for Fulham when he's been on the field. "
Well if he was giving his all - then his impact was "buxxer all " . Doesn't score , assists?? , tackles ?
As someone has already posted " neat and tidy - yes " - so is my wardrobe -which excites me more than seeing him in a Fulham shirt
Harrison Reed didn't score or assist in the PL and he's also not looked likely to in 3 years now but that doesn't seem to be an issue for some people. Anguissa also had better tackling stats as he made 15 more last season; stat - https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_tackle (filter to 20/21 and then Fulham)
:plus one:
We need more of this to move the debate from gut feeling to reality.
Quote from: HV71 on March 11, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
Harrison Reed / Anguissa - I know which one I would rather be playing alongside
Me too, I would prefer the better player, and in my opinion that is Anguissa by some distance. But I see that there is clearly a difference of opinion on here.
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Quote from: HV71 on March 11, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
Harrison Reed / Anguissa - I know which one I would rather be playing alongside
Me too, I would prefer the better player, and in my opinion that is Anguissa by some distance. But I see that there is clearly a difference of opinion on here.
They're different players/positions though aren't they?
I agree that Anguissa is probably more talented - but as for application ?????.......as you would say " only my opinion of course "
If only we could ask someone like Tim Ream who he would rather play with
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Quote from: HV71 on March 11, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
Harrison Reed / Anguissa - I know which one I would rather be playing alongside
Me too, I would prefer the better player, and in my opinion that is Anguissa by some distance. But I see that there is clearly a difference of opinion on here.
They're different players/positions though aren't they?
Well, in this hypothethical scenario with me playing for Fulham I would be happy to adapt my game to suit the other midfield player :dft012:
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Quote from: HV71 on March 11, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
Harrison Reed / Anguissa - I know which one I would rather be playing alongside
Me too, I would prefer the better player, and in my opinion that is Anguissa by some distance. But I see that there is clearly a difference of opinion on here.
They're different players/positions though aren't they?
Well, in this hypothethical scenario with me playing for Fulham I would be happy to adapt my game to suit the other midfield player :dft012:
That I can definitely get behind!
Anguissa has many of the attributes necessary to be a brilliant ball-winning midfielder, however the key component that he lacks for this is mentality. What he does have the mentality of is more of a box-to-box midfielder, for which he does have the required ball control skills & engine, but lacks ability in passing & shooting. £15 million is unlikely enough to buy a "complete" central midfielder of Premier League quality, but should be enough to buy a player who can more effectively play a specific role.
It's € not £ of course, so the fee isn't even £15m.
That sort of money is already a bargain as far as I'm concerned. If they want him, they can pay what was agreed. If not, I think he'd be really valuable to the team - very much the box to box role Reed took up at one point earlier in the season.
Alternatively another team will pay more than €15m - so no discounts please TK and AM
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Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 10, 2022, 11:53:35 PM
It seems only Anguissa's Agent and Anguissa'a family talks to Anguissa about career decisions, both of whom don't share their advice.
For all we know Anguissa is probably happy to play for Fulham in the second tier, but he has an agent that advises him on career decisions and after listening to the agent's advice, we know Anguissa would prefer to play for Napoli in Serie A than Fulham in the Second Tier.
Anguissa seems like the kind of person that listens to his advisors, whether it is his agent or coach, that isn't a bad thing and doesn't make him disloyal besides we weren't the academy that taught him football.
Mmm, all very well TRF, but Anguissa signed the contract with FFC and not his agent or family. He is either committed or not and half way isn't good enough for any of us.
Based on what I saw of him last season when we were in the PL, he's worth £25m.
One point worth thinking about is how much cash have we received in loan fees
Our experience would suggest he is capable of holding his own in the Italian league but very questionable attitude and mentality in a team which will inevitably struggle at times next season in the Premiership.
Our management team will have greater problems to plan and prioritise for next season over one player's ego.
If Napoli quibble about the price sell to someone else, preferably another Italian team, who will.
Simples!!!!
Transfermarkt (who usually undervalue players) have him at an all time high of £27m.
I like the lad and hope a year with our current manager will get the best out of him.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/andre-zambo-anguissa/profil/spieler/354361
At this point he's just bad karma
Mister sideways can do one as far as I'm concerned
Onwards & Upwards
The best matches he's played for us has been against Man City in the league and cup.
Worth thinking about what we would have to pay for a midfielder of similar quality.
Quote from: filham on March 11, 2022, 08:08:38 PM
Worth thinking about what we would have to pay for a midfielder of similar quality.
In 2018/19, we demanded relegation clauses in all the contracts which a) limited the pool of players willing to join us and b) saved us from having a massive sell off and ultimately gave us two promotions. I really doubt we can buy a player as good as Anguissa for £15m with a relegation clause of £40,000 per week. Let's not forget, we had to pay £23m for Anguissa because an offer of £21m was rejected.
Providing he's willing to go i'm assuming we can't stop the transfer?
He's a player who didn't want to play for us in the Championship, for ONE season. Yes he's a box to box player, but with very very few assists and even less goals. TBH I'm not sure he suits Silva's style of play.
I'm sorry but in my view, the second a player says "i'm not playing" for whatever reason, is the second I kick him out of the front door. He has shown us NO loyalty and NO desire to fight for the shirt.
As for the 15m euros, we will collectively lose more on other players that have been here longer and not lived up to the hype. Knock and Cav, Mawson and Kongolo being examples. I know that individually they may not be worth as much, however there has to be at least £50m there plus wages.
I'd sell him for the 15m euros and be gone with him. One player doesn't make a team.
He's worth £25m. There's no way we could replace him with €15m. I still think there might be a way back for him at the club- but it should be the managers position.
He looked decent for us in the PL last year.
I have asked before, but can anyone point me to any credible source claiming that Zambo being unwilling to play for us in the Championship? Given how many posters seem convinced that this has actually happened I would assume there is such information readily available...
https://theathletic.com/news/anguissa-left-out-of-fulhams-draw-with-middlesbrough-due-to-desire-to-leave/yhUR6ywExKEP/
Silva said he would not keep any player who didn't want to play for Fulham.
Quote from: Cookie6262 on March 10, 2022, 09:38:27 PM
There's no way Areola or Anderson would play in the championship but I bet most fans would take them back in a heartbeat.
Agreed.
But to compare Areola and Anderson to Zambo is absolute tosh imo
"However, it is understood that Silva does not want anyone involved who is not committed to the club's promotion push, and as a result, Anguissa played no part against Middlesbrough."
It is still just words written by a journalist/reporter but no rebuffs from any senior staff at the Club and certainly nothing from the player. We also do not know what his contract stated when he originally signed, but the evidence suggests as others on this thread have stated that he is not fully committed to the Club.
Quote from: toshes mate on March 14, 2022, 04:41:46 PM
"However, it is understood that Silva does not want anyone involved who is not committed to the club's promotion push, and as a result, Anguissa played no part against Middlesbrough."
It is still just words written by a journalist/reporter but no rebuffs from any senior staff at the Club and certainly nothing from the player. We also do not know what his contract stated when he originally signed, but the evidence suggests as others on this thread have stated that he is not fully committed to the Club.
But in all honesty, why would he be? He joined us when we were in the prem and I doubt he grew up wanting to play for Fulham for 10 years.
He wants to play at the highest level and I don't mind that. I think he'd be excellent in the system as the 8 personally and think we should keep him at all costs as we won't replace with better.
Quote from: blingo on March 14, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
He's a player who didn't want to play for us in the Championship, for ONE season. Yes he's a box to box player, but with very very few assists and even less goals. TBH I'm not sure he suits Silva's style of play.
I'm sorry but in my view, the second a player says "i'm not playing" for whatever reason, is the second I kick him out of the front door. He has shown us NO loyalty and NO desire to fight for the shirt.
As for the 15m euros, we will collectively lose more on other players that have been here longer and not lived up to the hype. Knock and Cav, Mawson and Kongolo being examples. I know that individually they may not be worth as much, however there has to be at least £50m there plus wages.
I'd sell him for the 15m euros and be gone with him. One player doesn't make a team.
Agree. There are people arguing that we don't know for certain that he wouldn't play for us in the Champ but that's certainly the message that came through at the time.
As to those who say we couldn't get another player of that quality for 15m, well what have we ever seen him actually deliver for us with all that supposed quality? The sum total of not a lot. If that's "quality" then I'm not sure I want a similar quality replacement at any price.
100% agree with you Twig . Many on here rate him higher than Reed ( I know he is a different player ) and point to the stats . I prefer my own eyes which see little positive outcome from his efforts ( in a Fulham shirt that is )
Quote from: blingo on March 14, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
He's a player who didn't want to play for us in the Championship, for ONE season. Yes he's a box to box player, but with very very few assists and even less goals. TBH I'm not sure he suits Silva's style of play.
I'm sorry but in my view, the second a player says "i'm not playing" for whatever reason, is the second I kick him out of the front door. He has shown us NO loyalty and NO desire to fight for the shirt.
As for the 15m euros, we will collectively lose more on other players that have been here longer and not lived up to the hype. Knock and Cav, Mawson and Kongolo being examples. I know that individually they may not be worth as much, however there has to be at least £50m there plus wages.
I'd sell him for the 15m euros and be gone with him. One player doesn't make a team.
For once you've said something half sensible Bongo
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Quote from: HV71 on March 14, 2022, 05:54:34 PM
100% agree with you Twig . Many on here rate him higher than Reed ( I know he is a different player ) and point to the stats . I prefer my own eyes which see little positive outcome from his efforts ( in a Fulham shirt that is )
Totally agree, really don't know why some of our fans rate him? He has never impressed me with his performances for Fulham, but then I have never seen him play for other teams where maybe he does show some class.
He's lovely to watch on the ball but just doesn't produce any goals, assists or match winning displays. We've been relegated in both seasons he's actually bothered to play for us so it's time to say goodbye.
I'm actually surprised Napoli are keen to buy him.
If you want to player who glides around the pitch looking the business, can nick the ball when he's bothered to get involved, and looks divine carrying the ball in the middle third Zambos you man.
But if you want a player who will battle when things aren't going for you, can score the odd goal and create good chances for others your wasting your time with Zambo!
Quote from: davew on March 14, 2022, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: HV71 on March 14, 2022, 05:54:34 PM
100% agree with you Twig . Many on here rate him higher than Reed ( I know he is a different player ) and point to the stats . I prefer my own eyes which see little positive outcome from his efforts ( in a Fulham shirt that is )
Totally agree, really don't know why some of our fans rate him? He has never impressed me with his performances for Fulham, but then I have never seen him play for other teams where maybe he does show some class.
Regardless of whether they are different players, Anguissa is of a much better standard than Reed. I'd choose to use both stats, and my eyes on this one. Reed is alright albeit extremely limited in what he does. He's almost a nod to the old game of someone who runs around a lot, will lose the ball if he plays the ball forward more so most often than not, passes sideways or backwards and slows our play down(Think a weaker Scotty P.). He's an asset off the ball and I think a very good one and will be again, be an asset in the EPL against the better sides, but if we're playing a bottom half of the division team with more of the ball, I'd want Anguissa or someone of his ilk all day long.
This isn't an anti Reed post, or even bigging Anguissa up as, if I'm honest, I'm not so keen he comes back. He's been part and parcel of two relegations and decided twice he didn't want to be a part of the success (in promotions). The club might of loaned him out due to FFP when he wanted to stay but I think the athletic article is likely right on this one. He just didn't want to play in the championship which is his choice and one I can both respect and think awkwardly on. If Silva wants him, fine, but I wouldn't mind a change up.
Quote from: WolverineFFC on March 06, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
After watching Marco bring Seri back from the castoffs, I have no doubt he could re-integrate FZA back in if needed.
Napoli would be getting a better than fair deal at 15m. Heading for promotion, Fulham hold all the bargaining power now. That was not the case in the summer. To sell him for less than the agreed upon price at this point would be foolish. There is no way they would be able to obtain a superior player for less.
I would personally get rid of Seri as well as Anguissa. The former is too slow and physically weak for the Premier League and the latter has the physical attributes, but literally zero end product.
I'm afraid all this talk of a players transfer value is absolutely pointless, if not a single club has offered even close to that price to buy him. I think we massively overpaid for both players - I would say that Anguissa was worth about £18m when we bought him and Seri about £10m.
Quote from: Twig on March 14, 2022, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: blingo on March 14, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
He's a player who didn't want to play for us in the Championship, for ONE season. Yes he's a box to box player, but with very very few assists and even less goals. TBH I'm not sure he suits Silva's style of play.
I'm sorry but in my view, the second a player says "i'm not playing" for whatever reason, is the second I kick him out of the front door. He has shown us NO loyalty and NO desire to fight for the shirt.
As for the 15m euros, we will collectively lose more on other players that have been here longer and not lived up to the hype. Knock and Cav, Mawson and Kongolo being examples. I know that individually they may not be worth as much, however there has to be at least £50m there plus wages.
I'd sell him for the 15m euros and be gone with him. One player doesn't make a team.
Agree. There are people arguing that we don't know for certain that he wouldn't play for us in the Champ but that's certainly the message that came through at the time.
As to those who say we couldn't get another player of that quality for 15m, well what have we ever seen him actually deliver for us with all that supposed quality? The sum total of not a lot. If that's "quality" then I'm not sure I want a similar quality replacement at any price.
Agree
Quote from: blingo on March 14, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
He's a player who didn't want to play for us in the Championship, for ONE season. Yes he's a box to box player, but with very very few assists and even less goals. TBH I'm not sure he suits Silva's style of play.
I'm sorry but in my view, the second a player says "i'm not playing" for whatever reason, is the second I kick him out of the front door. He has shown us NO loyalty and NO desire to fight for the shirt.
As for the 15m euros, we will collectively lose more on other players that have been here longer and not lived up to the hype. Knock and Cav, Mawson and Kongolo being examples. I know that individually they may not be worth as much, however there has to be at least £50m there plus wages.
I'd sell him for the 15m euros and be gone with him. One player doesn't make a team.
Agree
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on March 14, 2022, 06:21:53 PM
I'm actually surprised Napoli are keen to buy him.
If you want to player who glides around the pitch looking the business, can nick the ball when he's bothered to get involved, and looks divine carrying the ball in the middle third Zambos you man.
But if you want a player who will battle when things aren't going for you, can score the odd goal and create good chances for others your wasting your time with Zambo!
Agree
Quote from: Lordedmundo on March 14, 2022, 06:26:18 PM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on March 06, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
After watching Marco bring Seri back from the castoffs, I have no doubt he could re-integrate FZA back in if needed.
Napoli would be getting a better than fair deal at 15m. Heading for promotion, Fulham hold all the bargaining power now. That was not the case in the summer. To sell him for less than the agreed upon price at this point would be foolish. There is no way they would be able to obtain a superior player for less.
I would personally get rid of Seri as well as Anguissa. The former is too slow and physically weak for the Premier League and the latter has the physical attributes, but literally zero end product.
I'm afraid all this talk of a players transfer value is absolutely pointless, if not a single club has offered even close to that price to buy him. I think we massively overpaid for both players - I would say that Anguissa was worth about £18m when we bought him and Seri about £10m.
Agree
It's very funny how at the start of the season people were trotting out all sorts of excuses as to why Seri should be nowhere near a Fulham team due to past experiences, promptly got proven wrong and went quiet on the matter and are now making the same sort of noises about Anguissa. Not sure if people on here have selective memories but he was the best player for us over the first few months of last season and then his form tailed off, like literally every player in the squad minus Areola. It's also funny how people are so quick to judge without considering that the coach was most likely the issue over recent times rather than any one individual, like the Parker fan club also found out the hard way as the rest of us foretold. Silva knows what he's doing and actually knows how to use a player of Seri's ability for example so it's very likely he'll want someone of Anguissa's skill set in his side. When he had Watford playing so well using a 433, he had Doucoure in a midfield three and Anguissa is a very similar player so I wouldn't be surprised to see him used in such a manner next season.
Quote from: perry geyton on March 14, 2022, 05:59:48 PM
Quote from: blingo on March 14, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
He's a player who didn't want to play for us in the Championship, for ONE season. Yes he's a box to box player, but with very very few assists and even less goals. TBH I'm not sure he suits Silva's style of play.
I'm sorry but in my view, the second a player says "i'm not playing" for whatever reason, is the second I kick him out of the front door. He has shown us NO loyalty and NO desire to fight for the shirt.
As for the 15m euros, we will collectively lose more on other players that have been here longer and not lived up to the hype. Knock and Cav, Mawson and Kongolo being examples. I know that individually they may not be worth as much, however there has to be at least £50m there plus wages.
I'd sell him for the 15m euros and be gone with him. One player doesn't make a team.
For once you've said something half sensible Bongo
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Quote from: Lordedmundo on March 14, 2022, 06:26:18 PM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on March 06, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
After watching Marco bring Seri back from the castoffs, I have no doubt he could re-integrate FZA back in if needed.
Napoli would be getting a better than fair deal at 15m. Heading for promotion, Fulham hold all the bargaining power now. That was not the case in the summer. To sell him for less than the agreed upon price at this point would be foolish. There is no way they would be able to obtain a superior player for less.
I would personally get rid of Seri as well as Anguissa. The former is too slow and physically weak for the Premier League and the latter has the physical attributes, but literally zero end product.
I'm afraid all this talk of a players transfer value is absolutely pointless, if not a single club has offered even close to that price to buy him. I think we massively overpaid for both players - I would say that Anguissa was worth about £18m when we bought him and Seri about £10m.
I too would get rid of them both. Seri is too lightweight and I don't think his style of play will suit the premiership as he needs too much time on the ball. Anguissa for me has shot himself in the foot refusing to play in the championship and tbh if I never see either of them in a FFC shirt again I wont cry.
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter, while Harrison Reed maybe has Watford.
Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less. Besides, if your unhappy with signing Anguissa, then I am sure you will be disappointed with how the money from his sale is spent.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.
Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.
Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.
He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.
Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.
Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.
He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.
If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.
That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players like Anguissa for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:49:36 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.
Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.
Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.
He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.
If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.
That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.
On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:52:56 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:49:36 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.
Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.
Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.
He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.
If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.
That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.
On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.
We paid "a loan fee and £11m" for Knockaert; and we are considering selling Anguissa for "a loan fee and £15m", then giving the money to the guy that bought Knockaert. Are you mad?
Surely, we should "keep Anguissa" than "give £15m to Tony Khan to spend".
For me its a no-brainer to bring back Anguissa.
The problem with our last premiership season was Parker, hands down imo. We has the talent and he didn't know how to utilize it. Anguissa has performed at a high level for Senegal, Napoli and before that at Villareal. If you can see the difference in the level of performance from the likes of Seri, Kebano and Mitro this season, it would be silly to not give him a chance under Silva and his coaching staff imo. I'd take Frank back in a hearbeat and I think we'd finally get the best out of him.
Quote from: Deeping_white on March 14, 2022, 08:01:17 PM
It's very funny how at the start of the season people were trotting out all sorts of excuses as to why Seri should be nowhere near a Fulham team due to past experiences, promptly got proven wrong and went quiet on the matter and are now making the same sort of noises about Anguissa. Not sure if people on here have selective memories but he was the best player for us over the first few months of last season and then his form tailed off, like literally every player in the squad minus Areola. It's also funny how people are so quick to judge without considering that the coach was most likely the issue over recent times rather than any one individual, like the Parker fan club also found out the hard way as the rest of us foretold. Silva knows what he's doing and actually knows how to use a player of Seri's ability for example so it's very likely he'll want someone of Anguissa's skill set in his side. When he had Watford playing so well using a 433, he had Doucoure in a midfield three and Anguissa is a very similar player so I wouldn't be surprised to see him used in such a manner next season.
This
The idea that some are rubbishing a player who when fit and not at the ACN has been starting for Napoli ( who are 2nd in Serie A) is, frankly bonkers to me
Quote from: toshes mate on March 14, 2022, 04:41:46 PM
"However, it is understood that Silva does not want anyone involved who is not committed to the club's promotion push, and as a result, Anguissa played no part against Middlesbrough."
It is still just words written by a journalist/reporter but no rebuffs from any senior staff at the Club and certainly nothing from the player. We also do not know what his contract stated when he originally signed, but the evidence suggests as others on this thread have stated that he is not fully committed to the Club.
Thank you Toshes Mate, at least that is something not entirely made up on this board. It should maybe be noted however that Anguissa was then selected for the following 4 league games and played in three of them, before he was sent on loan. Should we take this as him being committed then?
In any case, the only evidence we do have is that Anguissa did not in fact refuse to play for us in the Championship. I therefore fail to see why this is being parroted by some without any further supporting evidence being provided.
I do concede however that Anguissa was likely happy to go on loan to a bigger club in a bigger league. I do also believe that most of our players would have felt the same had a club of Napoli's size come knocking. That is just a guess though. Another guess is that the club was happy to loan him out because we were treading dangerously close to the FFP limit, and they felt we had good options to cover the middle of the park.
I'll leave the character judgment to those in charge, mainly Silva. Personally I would love Anguissa back as a player. Obviously not if he is not interested, but that goes for all players.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:52:56 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:49:36 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.
Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.
Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.
He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.
If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.
That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.
On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.
We paid "a loan fee and £11m" for Knockaert; and we are considering selling Anguissa for "a loan fee and £15m", then giving the money to the guy that bought Knockaert. Are you mad?
Surely, we should "keep Anguissa" than "give £15m to Tony Khan to spend".
Not sure that kind of attitude is necessary. If Anguissa doesn't want to be here, and he certainly didn't when we were in championship twice, then money is probably a good idea to reinvest for next season. As I said before, i'm ambivalent to it. I really rate him but do question his belief that he didn't fancy helping the club in a lower league, something he contributed towards.
Quote from: Sting of the North on March 14, 2022, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on March 14, 2022, 04:41:46 PM
"However, it is understood that Silva does not want anyone involved who is not committed to the club's promotion push, and as a result, Anguissa played no part against Middlesbrough."
It is still just words written by a journalist/reporter but no rebuffs from any senior staff at the Club and certainly nothing from the player. We also do not know what his contract stated when he originally signed, but the evidence suggests as others on this thread have stated that he is not fully committed to the Club.
Thank you Toshes Mate, at least that is something not entirely made up on this board. It should maybe be noted however that Anguissa was then selected for the following 4 league games and played in three of them, before he was sent on loan. Should we take this as him being committed then?
In any case, the only evidence we do have is that Anguissa did not in fact refuse to play for us in the Championship. I therefore fail to see why this is being parroted by some without any further supporting evidence being provided.
I do concede however that Anguissa was likely happy to go on loan to a bigger club in a bigger league. I do also believe that most of our players would have felt the same had a club of Napoli's size come knocking. That is just a guess though. Another guess is that the club was happy to loan him out because we were treading dangerously close to the FFP limit, and they felt we had good options to cover the middle of the park.
I'll leave the character judgment to those in charge, mainly Silva. Personally I would love Anguissa back as a player. Obviously not if he is not interested, but that goes for all players.
Call me cynical but I'd wager he wanted match fitness after pre season to go elsewhere in those league games. Very much share your opinion on this. Great to have him back if Silva does, and really rate him.
To be fair, we all thought Seri didn't want to be at Fulham when he went out on loan, but he said in a interview recently that he did want to stay.
The truth is we have no idea what happens behind the scenes, but if he wants to be at the club next season and the manager is happy to have him back then he should play.
There is zero chance we can replace him with €15m. I trust the management and board to make the right call- whatever they might be- I don't know.
On a final note, seen a few people talk about his goals and assist tally- if we're being fair, we haven't had a goalscoring/assist contributor since Danny Murphy.
I have enjoyed reading this thread. Great discussion. It will be interesting to see how this saga plays out. In the end I think it will come down to how TK once to balance the books and how Zambo and Silva make out.
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 11:38:11 PM
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Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.
Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.
Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.
He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.
If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.
That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.
On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.
We paid "a loan fee and £11m" for Knockaert; and we are considering selling Anguissa for "a loan fee and £15m", then giving the money to the guy that bought Knockaert. Are you mad?
Surely, we should "keep Anguissa" than "give £15m to Tony Khan to spend".
Not sure that kind of attitude is necessary. If Anguissa doesn't want to be here, and he certainly didn't when we were in championship twice, then money is probably a good idea to reinvest for next season. As I said before, i'm ambivalent to it. I really rate him but do question his belief that he didn't fancy helping the club in a lower league, something he contributed towards.
Napoli is probably willing to sign Anguissa for five seasons at the price of a) "£15m transfer fee and £100,000 per week wages" or b) "£30m transfer fee and £50,000 per week wages". If Anguissa doesn't want to be here, then he can accept a pay cut.
The "Old Fashion Attitude" of getting rid of players that don't want to be here at fire-sale transfer fees and hence high wages, rewards disloyalty and created a whole network of "mercenary agents" teaching their players the benefits of disloyalty in salary negiotions.
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Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.
Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.
Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.
He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.
If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.
That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.
On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.
We paid "a loan fee and £11m" for Knockaert; and we are considering selling Anguissa for "a loan fee and £15m", then giving the money to the guy that bought Knockaert. Are you mad?
Surely, we should "keep Anguissa" than "give £15m to Tony Khan to spend".
Not sure that kind of attitude is necessary. If Anguissa doesn't want to be here, and he certainly didn't when we were in championship twice, then money is probably a good idea to reinvest for next season. As I said before, i'm ambivalent to it. I really rate him but do question his belief that he didn't fancy helping the club in a lower league, something he contributed towards.
Also a bit bored of the continual hankering that TK isnt capable of signing good players. Sure weve signed some duds along the way, but Amnguissa isnt a dud and he signed him- clearly, hes got quality - he plays for the 2nd place team in Italy.
In recent history he signed Wilson who's been pretty damn good, Tete who's been fantastic, Neko who's been brilliant, his previous signing deemed a flop Seri has been unbelievably good at times this season. Tosin has been a pretty great signing. Muniz whilst highlighted by Silva has shown plenty of potential, Chalobah shows promise albeit he's not a starter, He's also held on to/assembled a team and staff that are currently absolutely running away with the league.
The idea that hes an idiot and cant be trusted to run the club is so way off at this point.
Sure we all hope we can improve next year, but its not like Lookman, Joachim, Areola were all terrible either. So we really need to update our perspective a littler and accept that of late his hit rates been pretty impressive...worst decision he made was keeping on Parket really but his hand was pushed somewhat by him just scraping promotion for us.
anyway
people should try and let it go.... So much to be optimistic about going into this next season. Its still gonna be very tough, and we have no diviine right to be in the premier league. But Im hopefult that were capable of picking up good signings based on the last couple seasons ... and now we have a competent coaching team to go with it
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Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:49:36 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.
Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.
Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.
He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.
If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.
That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.
On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.
We paid "a loan fee and £11m" for Knockaert; and we are considering selling Anguissa for "a loan fee and £15m", then giving the money to the guy that bought Knockaert. Are you mad?
Surely, we should "keep Anguissa" than "give £15m to Tony Khan to spend".
Not sure that kind of attitude is necessary. If Anguissa doesn't want to be here, and he certainly didn't when we were in championship twice, then money is probably a good idea to reinvest for next season. As I said before, i'm ambivalent to it. I really rate him but do question his belief that he didn't fancy helping the club in a lower league, something he contributed towards.
Also a bit bored of the continual hankering that TK isnt capable of signing good players. Sure weve signed some duds along the way, but Amnguissa isnt a dud and he signed him- clearly, hes got quality - he plays for the 2nd place team in Italy.
In recent history he signed Wilson who's been pretty damn good, Tete who's been fantastic, Neko who's been brilliant, his previous signing deemed a flop Seri has been unbelievably good at times this season. Tosin has been a pretty great signing. Muniz whilst highlighted by Silva has shown plenty of potential, Chalobah shows promise albeit he's not a starter, He's also held on to/assembled a team and staff that are currently absolutely running away with the league.
The idea that hes an idiot and cant be trusted to run the club is so way off at this point.
Sure we all hope we can improve next year, but its not like Lookman, Joachim, Areola were all terrible either. So we really need to update our perspective a littler and accept that of late his hit rates been pretty impressive...worst decision he made was keeping on Parket really but his hand was pushed somewhat by him just scraping promotion for us.
anyway
people should try and let it go.... So much to be optimistic about going into this next season. Its still gonna be very tough, and we have no diviine right to be in the premier league. But Im hopefult that were capable of picking up good signings based on the last couple seasons ... and now we have a competent coaching team to go with it
Tony Khan won't be able to replace Anguissa with someone of the same quality for £15m, and neither would 95% of DOFs. If we sell Anguissa for £15m and reinvest the money, then we are getting a downgrade. Tony Khan is not an idiot, but he is not a football genius either. Only a football genius could find a like-for-like replacement Anguissa with only £15m. If we have ten other players in the starting XI as good as Anguissa next season, then there is no way we are going down (i.e. we don't need an upgrade or replacement of Anguissa).
Putting the politics aside as to whether he wants to be at Fulham or not, Anguissa is the best midfielder we currently have on the books. I'd be surprised if he returns for a third go at Premier League survival but if Silva wants him that's good enough for me.
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Quote from: toshes mate on March 14, 2022, 04:41:46 PM
"However, it is understood that Silva does not want anyone involved who is not committed to the club's promotion push, and as a result, Anguissa played no part against Middlesbrough."
It is still just words written by a journalist/reporter but no rebuffs from any senior staff at the Club and certainly nothing from the player. We also do not know what his contract stated when he originally signed, but the evidence suggests as others on this thread have stated that he is not fully committed to the Club.
Thank you Toshes Mate, at least that is something not entirely made up on this board. It should maybe be noted however that Anguissa was then selected for the following 4 league games and played in three of them, before he was sent on loan. Should we take this as him being committed then?
In any case, the only evidence we do have is that Anguissa did not in fact refuse to play for us in the Championship. I therefore fail to see why this is being parroted by some without any further supporting evidence being provided.
I do concede however that Anguissa was likely happy to go on loan to a bigger club in a bigger league. I do also believe that most of our players would have felt the same had a club of Napoli's size come knocking. That is just a guess though. Another guess is that the club was happy to loan him out because we were treading dangerously close to the FFP limit, and they felt we had good options to cover the middle of the park.
I'll leave the character judgment to those in charge, mainly Silva. Personally I would love Anguissa back as a player. Obviously not if he is not interested, but that goes for all players.
I think a very wise underlying point you make is that it is the senior staff in the Club who encourage loyalty from players by showing realistic ambitions, realistic team strategies throughout leagues, and a united and friendly face that has no hidden agendas. In other words the Club a a great place to want to play football. I am not sure that we were quite at that place or level when Anguissa signed, but perhaps Silva has made that prospect more likely. It is also possible that Silva believed from the start his squad with or without Anguissa was too good to be true - the sign of a guy who knows what he is about and the reason why Shahid Khan was taken with him right away ...
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It's very funny how at the start of the season people were trotting out all sorts of excuses as to why Seri should be nowhere near a Fulham team due to past experiences, promptly got proven wrong and went quiet on the matter and are now making the same sort of noises about Anguissa. Not sure if people on here have selective memories but he was the best player for us over the first few months of last season and then his form tailed off, like literally every player in the squad minus Areola. It's also funny how people are so quick to judge without considering that the coach was most likely the issue over recent times rather than any one individual, like the Parker fan club also found out the hard way as the rest of us foretold. Silva knows what he's doing and actually knows how to use a player of Seri's ability for example so it's very likely he'll want someone of Anguissa's skill set in his side. When he had Watford playing so well using a 433, he had Doucoure in a midfield three and Anguissa is a very similar player so I wouldn't be surprised to see him used in such a manner next season.
This
The idea that some are rubbishing a player who when fit and not at the ACN has been starting for Napoli ( who are 2nd in Serie A) is, frankly bonkers to me
No one's denying that he may have the ability "still questionable in my opinion" but it's his attitude that stinks
and blatant disrespect to our club, if you can't see that then you might be slightly bonkers yourself
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Quote from: jayffc on March 14, 2022, 10:09:10 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on March 14, 2022, 08:01:17 PM
It's very funny how at the start of the season people were trotting out all sorts of excuses as to why Seri should be nowhere near a Fulham team due to past experiences, promptly got proven wrong and went quiet on the matter and are now making the same sort of noises about Anguissa. Not sure if people on here have selective memories but he was the best player for us over the first few months of last season and then his form tailed off, like literally every player in the squad minus Areola. It's also funny how people are so quick to judge without considering that the coach was most likely the issue over recent times rather than any one individual, like the Parker fan club also found out the hard way as the rest of us foretold. Silva knows what he's doing and actually knows how to use a player of Seri's ability for example so it's very likely he'll want someone of Anguissa's skill set in his side. When he had Watford playing so well using a 433, he had Doucoure in a midfield three and Anguissa is a very similar player so I wouldn't be surprised to see him used in such a manner next season.
This
The idea that some are rubbishing a player who when fit and not at the ACN has been starting for Napoli ( who are 2nd in Serie A) is, frankly bonkers to me
No one's denying that he may have the ability "still questionable in my opinion" but it's his attitude that stinks
and blatant disrespect to our club, if you can't see that then you might be slightly bonkers yourself
But that's the same thing people were saying about Seri for ages and this season when he's been given a chance to play here and give his side of the story it was easy to see that he was villified on here and wider for literally no reason
not really because Seri stuck around this season and played in the championship
So No not comparable
I am sat on the fence as yes I agree that if he would not play in the chamionship then he should not play as soon as (if) we go back up, however we do know not the whole truth regards whether it was or was not the case, although it seems strange as he was playing and doing well.... and equally, as mentioned, you will not get a player of he 'calibre' for 15 Mil be it EUR or £.
however, although i know only click bait, and again no truth until happens, I have seen this today...
http://sportwitness.co.uk/fulham-will-paid-now-clear-cottagers-deal-will-take-place-regardless-everything-else/
Napoli stating they will pay the 15 mil !!
Can someone please explain what all this wonderful quality is that Anguissa is meant to have? I never, ever saw it at Fulham. Yes a few nice silky touches here and there but I can't think of a game where his "quality" made all the difference to get us three points.
Consequently I assume that you guys have seen this fantastic quality whilst he has been out on loan. How do I get to watch all this Serie A football because I'd genuinely like to see what all the hype is about?
As I said earlier in the debate,can the transfer be stopped if the player wants to leave?If that's the case it doesn't matter does it?