The pre match handshake should be kept. They are professionals and whether they like it or not they are looked up to by young kids getting into the game. It bothers me that grown men cannot act responsibly
No it shouldn't, what should happen is a handshake after the game , this pre match is a total waste of time and is meaningless, after all the physical and the verbals , that is when you should shake, that is how it was in my day except for the verbals. 092.gif
Quote from: epsomraver on September 18, 2012, 06:03:50 PM
No it shouldn't, what should happen is a handshake after the game , this pre match is a total waste of time and is meaningless, after all the physical and the verbals , that is when you should shake, that is how it was in my day except for the verbals. 092.gif
Couldn't agree more
It's a bit contrived i'd be in favour of getting rid of it. If players wish to shake hands or embrace after a hard 90 minutes, that is better. More genuine!
If you are thinking only of the premier league the handshake pre-game is a waste of time and makes no difference to anything.
It is though part of the respect campaign which is *trying* to encourage a more sporting attitude among the "coaches" and "parents" who stand on the sidelines during under-8s football encouraging kids to kick lumps out of each other.
The idea is the kids are more likely to treat their opponents and referees better if they are encouraged to show respect before and after the game. The professionals are supposed to set an example to the kids.
The real fault here is the media, which has cameramen and even (on Five Live) *extra commentators*!!!! so they can report on who did and didn't shake hands. The media should shut up about it. If AF doesn't want to shake JT's hand that's between them.
And, really, you find yourself on the same side as Allardyce and Hughes (who seems to spend most of his life obsessing about handshakes) on this and think that isn't a reason to think twice?
So because of 4 players (Terry, Ferdinand,Evra and the Scumbag liverpool player) we get rid of a handshake that on a premier weekend 216 other players do so with no problem.
Maybe the players causing the issue are one who should be stopped.
No Handshake for me!!!
After is where you show your respect, when you're focused the last thing you want to do is shake the enemy's hand. But hey, that's just me!!
Next thing you know we will be telling our children it's the taking part that counts.... What a load bull that is!!!!
Quote from: MJG on September 18, 2012, 06:14:45 PM
So because of 4 players (Terry, Ferdinand,Evra and the Scumbag liverpool player) we get rid of a handshake that on a premier weekend 216 other players do so with no problem.
Maybe the players causing the issue are one who should be stopped.
I don't think that would be the sole reason for getting rid of it, I think if it did get taken out it would be more for reasons to do with the fact that everyone thinks its a load of old crap. As has been said before, if a player wants to shake hands after a game, so be it. But to do this silly lining up and shaking hands of each and every person as a custom before kick-off loses its real point to me - most of the players aren't shaking hands as they wish the opposition all the best for the next 90 minutes! They're shaking because they're told to do so, and it shows.
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I think that those who refuse to shake hands before the game should be taken by hand to the centre circle by the ref and he should slap the back of their legs. That will teach them
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 18, 2012, 06:59:12 PM
I think that those who refuse to shake hands before the game should be taken by hand to the centre circle by the ref and he should slap the back of their legs. That will teach them
I'm not sure, LH - some of them might actually like that! :005:
Don't the respective captains shake hands at the coin toss? Should that be scrapped? If Ferdinand was captain at QPR how would that be handled?
Quote from: St Eve on September 18, 2012, 07:24:09 PM
Don't the respective captains shake hands at the coin toss? Should that be scrapped? If Ferdinand was captain at QPR how would that be handled?
Park didn't shake hands with Terry...
What about the rugby thing were one team applauds the other of the pitch? It seems to work there.
It is all a bit contrived really. I can't say I would miss it if it does get scrapped. I suspect it will stay the course though, given that is what the authorities want.
We do not live in a perfect world but its not unreasonable to expect pro footballers to show respect for their fellow players, the officials, fans and the game in general is it ?
Hang on a mo, this is footballers we are talking about, there are still a few sports that generally hold the moral high ground. Golfers may shake hands on the first tee but this is also a sport where an individual regularly reports himself for breaking the rules.
I am afraid a significant number of footballers can not be trusted to do the decent thing anymore and whoever thought the pre match handshake up, may of had good intentions but its really just part of the marketing crap and is an embarrassing joke
SO YOU WOULD SHAKE THE HAND OF THE MAN WHO SHAGGED YOUR MISSUS? :49:
What is a hand shake supposed to prove? Has nothing to do with respect, just seems to be a norm before the game.
Keep things as they are, and if folks don't want to shake with others, LEAVE IT ALONE. I can't believe we're still hearing about this crap into the current season. This is a sport, not a soap opera. "Johnny stuck out his and and it was refused. What does this mean? Should we make it all better by not having anyone shaking hands? Should we set up a support group to make everyone feel better about it?"
Ah well, it makes a nice change from "His teammates don't know why Christiano Ronaldo is sad." Honest to god; did they cancel Coronation Street or something? If it weren't so depressing it would just be incredibly silly.
And, furthermore, Harumph 092.gif
Quote from: DiegoFulham on September 18, 2012, 08:14:24 PM
SO YOU WOULD SHAKE THE HAND OF THE MAN WHO SHAGGED YOUR MISSUS? :49:
Not my present Missus, no. But if he'd shagged my ex I'd have bought him a bloody medal!
if they didnt make such a big deal of it in the press no one would care if random footballer a shakes random footballer b's hand. Its a load of bollox!
Quote from: rusty shackleford on September 18, 2012, 09:27:59 PM
if they didnt make such a big deal of it in the press no one would care if random footballer a shakes random footballer b's hand. Its a load of bollox!
Why don't you say what you mean? :011:
Tradition shouldn't be scrapped because of few morons.....you know the names...
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 19, 2012, 04:23:25 AM
Tradition shouldn't be scrapped because of few morons.....you know the names...
But is it a tradition Jazzman ? Captains shaking hands at the coin toss has seemingly been around for ever but the pre-match thing is a fairly recent development (if my unreliable memory is correct) and I agree with those consider it contrived and pointless. Two minutes later the majority are tugging shirts, pushing and shoving at frees and corners and claiming every corner or throw in no matter how obviously the decision should go against them. - And still I love the game ! :bang head:
Well.I view the shake hands before a game as a "gentleman's agreement" to play the game by the rules.After the game, shaking hands has another meaning and goes without being imposed by the ruling bodies. As for the tradition it is a tradition on the makings. And judging by who is calling to be scrapped / Big Sam and the Wanna be Big Cheese/ I doubt people in charge are listening.
I think the only reason they introduced the handshake was so that the TV cameras got the huge sponsors logo covering the whole centre circle on camera. Its all about money so whether we like it or not we benefit from Barclays sponsorship of the Premier league with end of season prize money so I guess we will just need to live with it
Being forced to shake the hand of someone whose hand you do not wish to shake is, at best, insincere, at worst, hypocricy.
There is no way this nonsense can be called a tradition, it is a PR stunt introduced to the game in the last few years, along with such garbage as entering the field clutching the hand of a bewildered-looking infant and booting the ball into touch the instant any highly paid actor hits the deck clutching his head when only minimal contact has been made with his foot.
Shaking hands, after the event, with an opponent you respect is the sportsmanlike thing to do. It does not need to happen under the full gaze of the tv cameras.
As for the youth of this country looking to professional footballers as exemplars of proper behaviour...well, I didn't think my mind could be more boggled than it is, but this sets a new high.
The only good thing to come out of this business is that JT may eventually get the message about what people actually think of him as a human being.
I guess this means I agree with Hughes and Allardyce. Ugh...I think I need a shower.
Quote from: cmg on September 19, 2012, 09:16:20 AM
Being forced to shake the hand of someone whose hand you do not wish to shake is, at best, insincere, at worst, hypocricy.
There is no way this nonsense can be called a tradition, it is a PR stunt introduced to the game in the last few years, along with such garbage as entering the field clutching the hand of a bewildered-looking infant and booting the ball into touch the instant any highly paid actor hits the deck clutching his head when only minimal contact has been made with his foot.
Shaking hands, after the event, with an opponent you respect is the sportsmanlike thing to do. It does not need to happen under the full gaze of the tv cameras.
As for the youth of this country looking to professional footballers as exemplars of proper behaviour...well, I didn't think my mind could be more boggled than it is, but this sets a new high.
The only good thing to come out of this business is that JT may eventually get the message about what people actually think of him as a human being.
I guess this means I agree with Hughes and Allardyce. Ugh...I think I need a shower.
Wise words. 065.gif
I wouldn't shake anyone' hand who I didn't respect and why should they. You have to earn that repect and in this instance their is no respect. And JT properly has sweaty hand anyway
When the captain goes up to the half way line his job is to toss a coin and shake hands with the officials and the captain of the other side. He does this on behalf of his team so why do all the players need to shake hands as well? I am still in favour of both teams entering the field of play at the same time though.
I remember before it was mandatory to shake hands that when players were lining up sometimes both wingers would shake hands and I'm sure others would as well especially if there was an ex player playing against us.
The thing is that is a spontaneous gesture.
And when the respective captains are Ferdinand and Terry I suppose we should scrap that tradition
I am reminded of the only time I ever refused an opponents after match handshake, so p*****d off was I with his on-field behaviour.
After the match he approached me in the bar and said how disappointed he was I had spurned his handshake, especially, so said, as I had been kicking him all afternoon. Aghast that he should think such a thing of me, I could only splutter, "What about you then?"
"Ah," he said - he was Irish, of course, "but that was fair fouling."
What else could I do but buy the man a drink? We ended up getting legless together and whenever we met thereafter greeted each other like long-lost brothers (still kicked lumps out of each other, though.)
...I totally agree with cmg, it is a modern contrivance and it has become in some cases a cursory touching of hands which without and eye contact and expression means nothing, all it is is a meaningless ritual that is supposed top be part of the 'show'
Again I agree with all those that say that due respect to a fellow professional should be shown after the match, where a genuine firm handshake, and even a smile or an arm around the shoulder would be more genuine.
Like cmg the thought of agreeing with Alldaylies, and Exhughes makes me feel dirty, a petrol wash with a wire brush may help to purge myself...
Quote from: LBNo11 on September 20, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
... a petrol wash with a wire brush may help to purge myself...
...is OK, as long as you promise not to enjoy it.
These guys are paid £250,000 a week or more....
Sorry, they should shake each others hands... end of.
Quote from: cmg on September 20, 2012, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: LBNo11 on September 20, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
... a petrol wash with a wire brush may help to purge myself...
...is OK, as long as you promise not to enjoy it.
...I promise.. :dft012:
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 19, 2012, 04:23:25 AM
Tradition shouldn't be scrapped because of few morons.....you know the names...
I'm sorry but it's not a tradition as has been said earlier it's a fairly recent idea. Years ago when there were no handshake before the game as I remember more respect was shown between footballers especially after a game when each player had given as good as he had taken, which was usually kicking hell out of each other, Ahhh the good old days.
