We have just activated his one year clause and i'm very excited for the future of Fulham!!!!! Good work Fulham.
So regardless, currently he is IN!
Widely reported that Jol is staying & is committed to turning things round
Backed by MAF, hopefully supported next week by MAC
If we can retain Prem status pretty sure they'll be a big summer clear out & it will be Jols team 13/14 season
Not a fan of our recent football, but we need to back the team
I think what Jol has said is that the club had an option for a third year which they exercised last year.
Who knows if they'd make that same decision now.
give him some money and buy some quality players, or we could be in poo street
Call me negative but I still find it a bit lightweight. If we really wanted to back a manager then surely we would offer more then the agreed extension? Yes he is still staying on for another year but we will go through this same circus next year...which causes problems etc.
Either give the man a proper 2/3 year new deal and back the man or just get rid this summer in my eyes. A one year extension does not sound like the club wants Jol for years. I dont want another repeat of will he/wont he sign this time next year. Its not good for morale!
From Sporting Life:
Fulham manager Martin Jol has revealed that the club have taken the option to trigger a one-year extension to his contract.
Fulham have not formally announced that Jol will be staying beyond the end of this season, but he insists his future has been sorted.
"They took that option, so that was it from their side," he said in the Daily Star.
Jol is focused on trying to strengthen his squad before the end of January but does not want to spend too heavily and recognises that he will have to be creative.
He added: "Top players won't come to Fulham as they will do well for their own clubs.
"So we have to pay over the odds and we can't do that and we won't do that. You have to wait for the odd surprise.
"We want to strengthen the squad but the market is not a good one.
"We get all the players that are not doing well and you have to take them when they are struggling.
"We want to be like pioneers and adventurers but it's not easy.
"We don't have the resources of Chelsea so we have to do our job properly to get these players."
Jol 1-0 UKIP
Good to get this in the open now. The speculation about Jol leaving / being kicked out cannot have been helping recruiting players
Seriously!? fp.gif
This was on the official website back in November
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2012/november/08/jol-on-contracts (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2012/november/08/jol-on-contracts)
"Fulham want to activate the extra year and I'm happy for them to do that. We talk to each other every day and maybe a month ago the decision was made. An option is an option and they did that. I'm quite happy here."
Quote from: cottage cheese on January 25, 2013, 10:44:05 AM
Call me negative but I still find it a bit lightweight. If we really wanted to back a manager then surely we would offer more then the agreed extension? Yes he is still staying on for another year but we will go through this same circus next year...which causes problems etc.
Either give the man a proper 2/3 year new deal and back the man or just get rid this summer in my eyes. A one year extension does not sound like the club wants Jol for years. I dont want another repeat of will he/wont he sign this time next year. Its not good for morale!
We could find ourselves in a worse situation though if performances continue to be dire and hes on a 4 year contract then we have to try and pay to get him out. It seems like something all parties are happy with and we should be the same so we don't see the club being held to ransom by someone if we end up getting relegated and can't even afford to get rid of him in a couple of years.
Quote from: Northern Cottager on January 25, 2013, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: cottage cheese on January 25, 2013, 10:44:05 AM
Call me negative but I still find it a bit lightweight. If we really wanted to back a manager then surely we would offer more then the agreed extension? Yes he is still staying on for another year but we will go through this same circus next year...which causes problems etc.
Either give the man a proper 2/3 year new deal and back the man or just get rid this summer in my eyes. A one year extension does not sound like the club wants Jol for years. I dont want another repeat of will he/wont he sign this time next year. Its not good for morale!
We could find ourselves in a worse situation though if performances continue to be dire and hes on a 4 year contract then we have to try and pay to get him out. It seems like something all parties are happy with and we should be the same so we don't see the club being held to ransom by someone if we end up getting relegated and can't even afford to get rid of him in a couple of years.
But on the flip side why would the board want to fund Jol heavily in the summer for him to be able to walk next year in principle. Its a lack of faith in my eyes and I can see loans and frees coming in during the summer again.
Good news he is a good manager & we need stability
Great news manager stability is crucial for us and for the players now lets get behind jol and drive us onwards :clap_hands:
Am I being cynical, but this was done earlier in the season and the club know fans want some 'good' news so they send this out now?
Good news!! Jol is a great manager for Fulham. Lets get behind Jol and our team!!
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on January 25, 2013, 11:24:58 AM
Good news he is a good manager & we need stability
And your proof of that is?
Quote from: mangoputney on January 25, 2013, 10:28:23 AM
Widely reported that Jol is staying & is committed to turning things round
Backed by MAF, hopefully supported next week by MAC
If we can retain Prem status pretty sure they'll be a big summer clear out & it will be Jols team 13/14 season
Not a fan of our recent football, but we need to back the team
:0 im stunned Mango. Good post and I fully agree with you!
Quote from: FulhamMic on January 25, 2013, 10:59:08 AM
Seriously!? fp.gif
This was on the official website back in November
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2012/november/08/jol-on-contracts (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2012/november/08/jol-on-contracts)
"Fulham want to activate the extra year and I'm happy for them to do that. We talk to each other every day and maybe a month ago the decision was made. An option is an option and they did that. I'm quite happy here."
Whats teh face slap for? it hasn't been agreed they would extend it and they officially have no. He said the club were wanting to and not that they had. Bearing in mind our run of results, recent reports have suggested we may opt out of this extension. No face palm required sir.
Quote from: MJG on January 25, 2013, 11:53:26 AM
Am I being cynical, but this was done earlier in the season and the club know fans want some 'good' news so they send this out now?
Think your being cynical Mr. Im happy that he mentioned we made good offers for M'Vila though, shows we are working hard in the market and not looking for just bosmans.
Quote from: Bobby2012 on January 25, 2013, 11:59:20 AM
Good news!! Jol is a great manager for Fulham. Lets get behind Jol and our team!!
That's my feeling!
Quote from: epsomraver on January 25, 2013, 12:14:24 PM
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on January 25, 2013, 11:24:58 AM
Good news he is a good manager & we need stability
And your proof of that is?
Track record and our start the season and I'd call last season a success. Let's not lower the tone and try and start an argument in an optimistic thread. We should be happy about this.
Great news now lets support him by bringing some signings!
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 25, 2013, 12:19:09 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on January 25, 2013, 12:14:24 PM
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on January 25, 2013, 11:24:58 AM
Good news he is a good manager & we need stability
And your proof of that is?
Track record and our start the season and I'd call last season a success. Let's not lower the tone and try and start an argument in an optimistic thread. We should be happy about this.
Why is it an argument to question a statement about a manager who clearly is not good as the last 18 matches have shown, the amount of unrest in the dressing room, the players who will not sign an extension, the public spats he has with players, the boring no shots on goal football we play week in week out, need I go on? I just look at the BBC web site each day hoping to see him gone.This man is ruining a club I love.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 25, 2013, 12:17:55 PM
Whats teh face slap for? it hasn't been agreed they would extend it and they officially have no. He said the club were wanting to and not that they had.
As quoted from November
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Fulham want to activate the extra year and I'm happy for them to do that. We talk to each other every day and maybe a month ago the decision was made. An option is an option and they did that. I'm quite happy here."
The extension was triggered by Fulham before this quote was made. The face-palm was for lazy journalism and the fact people were celebrating this as though it was new news yet was on the official site back in November.
Whether or not the Club offered Jol an extension late last year seems to me to be largely irrelevant to the chance of him being sacked this season.
On his record to date, if MAF senses we are at serious risk of relegation, the manager will be out - as with both Cookie and Lawrie S.
Like Epsomraver, I hope every day to find that this incompetent and destructive manager has gone.
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Quote from: Oakeshott on January 25, 2013, 12:56:09 PM
Whether or not the Club offered Jol an extension late last year seems to me to be largely irrelevant to the chance of him being sacked this season.
On his record to date, if MAF senses we are at serious risk of relegation, the manager will be out - as with both Cookie and Lawrie S.
Like Epsomraver, I hope every day to find that this incompetent and destructive manager has gone.
:047:
Geez! Have a little faith!
In Jol I Trust!
Why oh why can't we have 1 thread for the Jol Out brigade and 1 thread for his supporters, instead of everytime someone posts something positive and supportive it is ambushed by the negative!? :doh:
lol i just had a dream last night he signed for 4 more years... still interesting coincidence but one will do for now :D
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 25, 2013, 01:12:39 PM
Why oh why can't we have 1 thread for the Jol Out brigade and 1 thread for his supporters, instead of everytime someone posts something positive and supportive it is ambushed by the negative!? :doh:
...totally agree, and conversely let's have a negative thread about Jol that is not ambushed by the positive Jol is doing a splendid job brigade. Let's stifle debate and revert to having our own little utopian enclaves and revert to name-calling those whose views differ from our own..! :doh: fp.gif
Quote from: LBNo11 on January 25, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
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Why oh why can't we have 1 thread for the Jol Out brigade and 1 thread for his supporters, instead of everytime someone posts something positive and supportive it is ambushed by the negative!? :doh:
...totally agree, and conversely let's have a negative thread about Jol that is not ambushed by the positive Jol is doing a splendid job brigade. Let's stifle debate and revert to having our own little utopian enclaves and revert to name-calling those whose views differ from our own..! :doh: fp.gif
You have the power. Make it so.
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Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 25, 2013, 01:12:39 PM
Why oh why can't we have 1 thread for the Jol Out brigade and 1 thread for his supporters, instead of everytime someone posts something positive and supportive it is ambushed by the negative!? :doh:
...totally agree, and conversely let's have a negative thread about Jol that is not ambushed by the positive Jol is doing a splendid job brigade. Let's stifle debate and revert to having our own little utopian enclaves and revert to name-calling those whose views differ from our own..! :doh: fp.gif
I wouldn't mind but it's the same people saying exactly the same thing time and time again!
Jol is staying, for now, so there's not much point!
:dead horse:
I don't get Fulham's communications policy. Very strange.
They let Jol break the news that his option has been trigger in one of his pre-match interviews with Sarah Brooks. And it was just a sort of off the cuff "oh by the way" kind of thing.
I don't recall any of the kids they've signed getting their day in the sun (picture on the official site holding their new kit).
Now weeks after Jol states that his extension has been triggered, the club decide that they need to announce it.
Just weird to me.
Don't get me wrong. I love some of the things they have been doing. Jol's video interviews are a great addition. Just their news announcement policy doesn't seem very well thought out.
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Quote from: LBNo11 on January 25, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 25, 2013, 01:12:39 PM
Why oh why can't we have 1 thread for the Jol Out brigade and 1 thread for his supporters, instead of everytime someone posts something positive and supportive it is ambushed by the negative!? :doh:
...totally agree, and conversely let's have a negative thread about Jol that is not ambushed by the positive Jol is doing a splendid job brigade. Let's stifle debate and revert to having our own little utopian enclaves and revert to name-calling those whose views differ from our own..! :doh: fp.gif
I wouldn't mind but it's the same people saying exactly the same thing time and time again!
Jol is staying, for now, so there's not much point!
:dead horse:
...yes, it is the same people saying the same thing - it is called differences of opinion. Whatever has been said on this or any other website will never influence the chairman/CEO/board so whatever has been decided we are stuck with - the real point it is the pro-Jol supporters will use this decision as proof that their opinions are right; well either way, and whatever the consequences, there always will be people crowing about how they were right and the others were wrong - personally I am a Fulham supporter who is concerned about how we are playing and recognises that a sea-change must happen.
Those who say we won't be relegated should have nothing to worry about and need not have to convince the doubters (sorry -
haterz) they can just bask in the secure knowledge that they will be proven right...
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Quote from: LBNo11 on January 25, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 25, 2013, 01:12:39 PM
Why oh why can't we have 1 thread for the Jol Out brigade and 1 thread for his supporters, instead of everytime someone posts something positive and supportive it is ambushed by the negative!? :doh:
...totally agree, and conversely let's have a negative thread about Jol that is not ambushed by the positive Jol is doing a splendid job brigade. Let's stifle debate and revert to having our own little utopian enclaves and revert to name-calling those whose views differ from our own..! :doh: fp.gif
I wouldn't mind but it's the same people saying exactly the same thing time and time again!
Jol is staying, for now, so there's not much point!
:dead horse:
That's what debate and a forum is for, If I say Jol is kiling the club I love , then you should not come on my thread and say he isn't, is that what you want? look at the results and all that is happening and I can show you an argument for my thoughts, give me an argument not based on history at Spurs and abroad and I will consider your reasoning.
I'm kind of smiling at the thought that people believe that a contract extension means either:
a. The club is happy with Jol's performance / Jol is happy with the support he's getting from the board OR
b. Jol will stay with the club at least until that extension is complete.
EVERY manager that's fired has time left on his contract. And managers who want to move on despite their contract situation generally make that move as well. If this contract extension means anything, it means that both parties are taking a little longer to find better situations. Jol will be leaving us some day, whether we finish 18th or 8th this season. Contracts mean NOTHING.
Quote from: epsomraver on January 25, 2013, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 25, 2013, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on January 25, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 25, 2013, 01:12:39 PM
Why oh why can't we have 1 thread for the Jol Out brigade and 1 thread for his supporters, instead of everytime someone posts something positive and supportive it is ambushed by the negative!? :doh:
...totally agree, and conversely let's have a negative thread about Jol that is not ambushed by the positive Jol is doing a splendid job brigade. Let's stifle debate and revert to having our own little utopian enclaves and revert to name-calling those whose views differ from our own..! :doh: fp.gif
I wouldn't mind but it's the same people saying exactly the same thing time and time again!
Jol is staying, for now, so there's not much point!
:dead horse:
That's what debate and a forum is for, If I say Jol is kiling the club I love , then you should not come on my thread and say he isn't, is that what you want? look at the results and all that is happening and I can show you an argument for my thoughts, give me an argument not based on history at Spurs and abroad and I will consider your reasoning.
From my point of view Jol has brought in some good players and without any real money being available to him. The club and circumstances have put him and us in this position not him. He didn't (I doubt) take the job in the knowledge that we would sell our best players, not offer reasonable contracts or money etc etc. I believe he will turn us around we just need to be patient - this year was always going to be difficult (transition pd) and especially with the loss of the main part of team. It is a real upset as we were only 2 or 3 away from stepping up and we are all suffering becuase of this is what we all expected to happen after the last few years. But to blame Jol for this massive cahnge is unfair imo. I can't see that chaning the manager now will benefit us and may even put us in more jeopardy.
Quote from: epsomraver on January 25, 2013, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 25, 2013, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on January 25, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 25, 2013, 01:12:39 PM
Why oh why can't we have 1 thread for the Jol Out brigade and 1 thread for his supporters, instead of everytime someone posts something positive and supportive it is ambushed by the negative!? :doh:
...totally agree, and conversely let's have a negative thread about Jol that is not ambushed by the positive Jol is doing a splendid job brigade. Let's stifle debate and revert to having our own little utopian enclaves and revert to name-calling those whose views differ from our own..! :doh: fp.gif
I wouldn't mind but it's the same people saying exactly the same thing time and time again!
Jol is staying, for now, so there's not much point!
:dead horse:
That's what debate and a forum is for, If I say Jol is kiling the club I love , then you should not come on my thread and say he isn't, is that what you want? look at the results and all that is happening and I can show you an argument for my thoughts, give me an argument not based on history at Spurs and abroad and I will consider your reasoning.
There is no on field argument to counter what you've said - at least not one of much strength.
The only real retort is this announcement that he's been re-signed. Only Jol and the board understand the true constraints within which he's been required to operate. It seems obvious with this "official" announcement that all knew there were going to be little to no funds to spend in the last two windows, despite the money that came in resulting from the sale of the Dems. I guess that everyone is willing to tread water this season and hope the results come with the squad we have and what we can get on the cheap, and then wait for the major re-tooling that is coming in the new season. It appears that the board have decided that Jol is the man for that job as well.
If we're relegated as a result, it'll all be on Jol's head. But the board will have had just as much of a hand in it as anyone. They have this club walking on the edge of a cliff at the moment, I fear.
Of course, Jol and the board could be just stuck with each other at the moment as well.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on January 25, 2013, 02:25:31 PM
Of course, Jol and the board could be just stuck with each other at the moment as well.
exactly how I feel. With Jol being able to walk next year for free potentially, you cant help but think are the board going to really back him this window and the summer one? Why would they knowing that Jol has less than a year to go by August?
Something just does not feel right at this club at the moment. I cant help but think this is the calm before a storm in our sense
Sorry for making a thread that's trying to be positive and was openly acknowledged by the club. The whole face palm because news FROM THE CLUB and not an off the cuff comment in a Sarah Brooks interview, made it all seem far more real so yes, I'm justied in saying its 'news' as the club confirmed it today.
Saying Jol is killing this club is fair enough and an argument that I strongly disagree with but its your opinion so you're welcome to it. I'm really happy that we aren't chopping and changing again. Bring on stability.
Good news this about jol extending. But i am worried about his continuous statements about difficulty in recruiting new players. Definately seems as though the club is sending a strong warning to fans that we will not be buying much in this window.
Most of you jol haters why don't you stfu for once and talk about the team not just the manerger
I can tell you most of the hammy end still wants him in
But not all down to the manerger I don't see you bitching about the players
Quote from: nickmuir on January 25, 2013, 03:05:06 PM
Most of you jol haters why don't you stfu for once and talk about the team not just the manerger
I can tell you most of the hammy end still wants him in
But not all down to the manerger I don't see you bitching about the players
If the best contribution you have is to tell those you don't agree with to "stfu", then you should follow your own advice.
If you've got a point to make about the players' responsibility, make it.
Quote from: nickmuir on January 25, 2013, 03:05:06 PM
Most of you jol haters why don't you stfu for once and talk about the team not just the manerger
I can tell you most of the hammy end still wants him in
But not all down to the manerger I don't see you bitching about the players
how old are you? Who uses stfu these days apart from kids? If you have an opinion I suggest you use proper words.
Quote from: nickmuir on January 25, 2013, 03:05:06 PM
Most of you jol haters why don't you stfu for once and talk about the team not just the manerger
I can tell you most of the hammy end still wants him in
But not all down to the manerger I don't see you bitching about the players
that's nice, how about joining in a debate instead of telling people to do one.
Some very good points in this thread, and I think the most important thing to note is that we are all Fulham Fans. I can agree with every point in this thread.....almost!
I do not agree that Jol is ruining the club, and I do not believe that everything wrong at the club to date is Jol's fault. That is just silly!
I do agree that there is definitely something not right happening at the club, but I am unable to point a finger at one person and say "that is the culprit".
In my humble opinion, Jol is a good manager, and however much I personally think he can do the job...the fact may very well be that he is the wrong man for Fulham. Fulham definitely need someone who can bring the best out of journeyman players.
The fact is that in the past the team played more industrious, and Jol is trying to bring in a more attractive and fluid style of play. (Which I can appreciate!)
Perhaps with the boards constraints we will never be able to have that type of team, and I for one find it sad.
I had really hoped that Jol would be able to come in and improve the level of play, and add some new dimensions to the team.
Then let me ask an open question, do you think Dempsey would have stayed at Fulham if we had still got Hughes or Woy in charge?
no
Me neither
Quote from: rusty shackleford on January 25, 2013, 04:50:26 PM
no
That's what I like to see on here, a well reasoned out response. fp.gif
A) No . He understandably wanted to
1) make his last long term contract as lucrative as possible
2) play for a bigger club
So a different manager would not have changed that
B) Yes as under the managers before Jol he was not nearly as good and did not score nearly as many goals so another bigger club may not have been interested let alone pay him more
Well i'm not particlarly a Jol lover, and mentioned this to my West Ham supporting work collegue. He said Jol was a good manager but we just had bad players. I really hope we beat them!
I don't believe Dempsey would've stayed, no matter the manager.
If the board had offered the kind of deal (length, $'s) that he wanted (if indeed there were ever such conversations), then I believe the manager might've come into play in a limited way.
New contract situation, as Clint may have wanted it, aside, he has always been confident enough to believe he could fit in with a team that could compete each year for a Champs Lge position. I think that if the right position presented itself - and it eventually did - he always would've pushed his way toward the door, both as a personal challenge and as a negotiating tactic to ensure Fulham offered enough to make it worthwhile for him to stay (family comfort is always a consideration).
Long story short, I don't think manager was a huge sticking point in any negotiation with Clint. We were looking for the same type managers he was interested in playing for IMHO.
