...apart from an extremely unlucky shot against the post, he spent the game struggling to control the ball when it came to him, and as a result was off balance and easily dispossessed, and his passing was appalling...up to the point when he wasn't even striking the ball properly, just scuffing it.
Now, we've seen him as a quality player with a nice touch, so skill doesn't disappear overnight, but confidence does. Perhaps a run in the reserves would give him some time on the ball to get that touch back...
It struck me today at the game that he could have been replaced by, say, Davies, who is probably desperate to use his experience for 20 mins against United rather than Petric coming on for Dejagah, who I thought had been outstanding
Quote from: ron on February 02, 2013, 09:57:19 PM
...apart from an extremely unlucky shot against the post, he spent the game struggling to control the ball when it came to him, and as a result was off balance and easily dispossessed, and his passing was appalling...up to the point when he wasn't even striking the ball properly, just scuffing it.
Now, we've seen him as a quality player with a nice touch, so skill doesn't disappear overnight, but confidence does. Perhaps a run in the reserves would give him some time on the ball to get that touch back...
It struck me today at the game that he could have been replaced by, say, Davies, who is probably desperate to use his experience for 20 mins against United rather than Petric coming on for Dejagah, who I thought had been outstanding
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He seemed to have no awareness today never looks up and sees the full back or wingers bombing on. By the time he moves it the space is gone and the move dead. For the odd moment of magic he just isn't good enough to play as a number 10 in the premiership
Requires too long on the ball ALL the time!! The one time he did something on instinct he almost scored.
Must have watched a different game than me then, his adventurous passing into the final third created at least two golden chances today (scooped ball to Rodallega in the first half, pinpoint cross to Dejagah in the 2nd). His dribbling was excellent today, beat his man more times than the rest of the Fulham team combined today. Come on, he even won a header in the six yard box that Rafael just about scuffed off the line. Besides, Ruiz blaming is so passe, so 2012, haven't you noticed we've moved on to Senderos, Rodallega and Schwarzer now?
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Requires too long on the ball ALL the time!! The one time he did something on instinct he almost scored.
...he seemed to go into slow motion when he got the ball, there were fans around me screaming "man on" on several ocassions where he had the ball but took too long to pass/make a move and so was dispossessed. Capable of some lovely touches but still times of 'rabbit in the headlights'...
Quote from: CanadianCottager on February 02, 2013, 10:21:48 PM
Must have watched a different game than me then, his adventurous passing into the final third created at least two golden chances today (scooped ball to Rodallega in the first half, pinpoint cross to Dejagah in the 2nd). His dribbling was excellent today, beat his man more times than the rest of the Fulham team combined today. Come on, he even won a header in the six yard box that Rafael just about scuffed off the line. Besides, Ruiz blaming is so passe, so 2012, haven't you noticed we've moved on to Senderos, Rodallega and Schwarzer now?
No blaming him for anything. Just wouldn't play him... Emanuelson for Ruiz would have been my sub
I thought Ruiz had a good game, and seeing as he has provided the most assists to date (8) I don't see any benefits in him being in the reserves...??!!??
I genuinely cannot understand the anti Ruiz brigade. He gets caught on the ball sometimes, but his work rate today was excellent and his passing is quality. I would rather have someone who can put their foot on the ball and look up, rather than someone who does not want to hold the ball.
Quote from: FF(C)UK on February 02, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
I genuinely cannot understand the anti Ruiz brigade. He gets caught on the ball sometimes, but his work rate today was excellent and his passing is quality. I would rather have someone who can put their foot on the ball and look up, rather than someone who does not want to hold the ball.
the worst passing completion of an outfield fulham player today. As for looking up, by the time he gets the ball, stops, looks up...the ball is gone and the other team have it.
Quote from: Bilet on February 02, 2013, 10:42:30 PM
I asked MUFC fans this question on Twitter: What Fulham-player impressed you the most today: 10 out of 11 answered Bryan Ruiz.
...but then again, they would, wouldn't they....?
Quote from: FF(C)UK on February 02, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
I genuinely cannot understand the anti Ruiz brigade. He gets caught on the ball sometimes, but his work rate today was excellent and his passing is quality. I would rather have someone who can put their foot on the ball and look up, rather than someone who does not want to hold the ball.
Quintessentially un-English player. Tall, but can't win a header. Tracks back, but doesn't get stuck in. Takes on his man, but relies on swivels and touch rather than acceleration. Receives the ball in the final third and prefers to take a touch and get his head up rather than smacking it first time. An attacking player who doesn't throw himself into the box when the ball is out on the wing.
Mind you, what that doesn't account for is that he's the best crosser of the ball on the team (alongside Duff), the most creative player in the team, beats his man more times a game than anyone except maybe Berbatov, wins more tackles than Chris Baird and all our defenders minus Riether, or that he's a player that can take a shot from outside the box without sending it into row Z, and sometimes even find the back of the net with it, something that only Petric also manages in the side.
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Quote from: FF(C)UK on February 02, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
I genuinely cannot understand the anti Ruiz brigade. He gets caught on the ball sometimes, but his work rate today was excellent and his passing is quality. I would rather have someone who can put their foot on the ball and look up, rather than someone who does not want to hold the ball.
the worst passing completion of an outfield fulham player today. As for looking up, by the time he gets the ball, stops, looks up...the ball is gone and the other team have it.
True, alongside his strike partner Rodallega. They also created more chances with their passing than did anyone else in a white jersey today. Forwards do tend to have lower passing completion percentages than do other players, for the sake of example, RVP's passing percentage today was only 3% better that Ruiz's and Rodallega and only Nani's was worse for Man U.
If we look across the season however, you'll find he has the highest pass completion rate of any Fulham forward this season despite attempting more long balls forward and crosses than any of them (passes that are exceptionally risky and thus tend to lower completion rates).
Quote from: Bilet on February 02, 2013, 10:59:00 PM
And some stats from todays match:
- 4 shots, 2 on target, most shots of all Fulham-players
- He made 27 attempted passes in the final third, 15 was succsessfull, 4th most passes in the final third of all 22 players.
- He took on players 6 times and successfully did it 4 times, most take ons off all 22 players. Nani 2nd with 3 take ons and 1 successfull.
- He intercepted the ball 3 times, joint most with Carrick, Baird, Dejagah and Evans
- He was in 9 aeril duels, more than any other Fulham-player
- He got 4 free kicks, joint most with Karagounis.
Great stats. I still think he was poor in comparison to what he is able to produce. He lost the ball ALOT and does most games. He simply wants to take 5 more touches than he needs to!!
His passing was poor also. Especially 2nd half. Anything over 10yards went to a United player!!! Really hope he gets better. That being said I want him OR Berba NOT both in starting 11
Quote from: Bilet on February 02, 2013, 10:42:30 PM
I asked MUFC fans this question on Twitter: What Fulham-player impressed you the most today: 10 out of 11 answered Bryan Ruiz.
Maybe cos he was their best passer :hook:
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Quote from: FF(C)UK on February 02, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
I genuinely cannot understand the anti Ruiz brigade. He gets caught on the ball sometimes, but his work rate today was excellent and his passing is quality. I would rather have someone who can put their foot on the ball and look up, rather than someone who does not want to hold the ball.
Quintessentially un-English player. Tall, but can't win a header. Tracks back, but doesn't get stuck in. Takes on his man, but relies on swivels and touch rather than acceleration. Receives the ball in the final third and prefers to take a touch and get his head up rather than smacking it first time. An attacking player who doesn't throw himself into the box when the ball is out on the wing.
Mind you, what that doesn't account for is that he's the best crosser of the ball on the team (alongside Duff), the most creative player in the team, beats his man more times a game than anyone except maybe Berbatov, wins more tackles than Chris Baird and all our defenders minus Riether, or that he's a player that can take a shot from outside the box without sending it into row Z, and sometimes even find the back of the net with it, something that only Petric also manages in the side.
I'd like to express my agreement with both of these posts.
I've come to the conclusion now, that Bryan is too slow to be the kind of super star I'd hope he'd be. He remains, though, our most creative player and, statistically our top provider (after Damien Duff). Elsewhere on this board the usual suspects are advocating the exclusion of Berbatov. So the way forward seems to be to leave out one of our leading providers and also our leading scorer. I know we are all entitled to our opinions, but there does seem to be some flaw in this sort of plan.
I would like a little run of having 1 from 2 - Berba OR Ruiz!!
I have been wanting this for a while and someone on here pointed out until the Southampton game we were 2nd top scorers int the League. Which is true, what also true is up til that game Berba and Ruiz had only started 2 games together
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Quote from: FF(C)UK on February 02, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
I genuinely cannot understand the anti Ruiz brigade. He gets caught on the ball sometimes, but his work rate today was excellent and his passing is quality. I would rather have someone who can put their foot on the ball and look up, rather than someone who does not want to hold the ball.
Quintessentially un-English player. Tall, but can't win a header. Tracks back, but doesn't get stuck in. Takes on his man, but relies on swivels and touch rather than acceleration. Receives the ball in the final third and prefers to take a touch and get his head up rather than smacking it first time. An attacking player who doesn't throw himself into the box when the ball is out on the wing.
Mind you, what that doesn't account for is that he's the best crosser of the ball on the team (alongside Duff), the most creative player in the team, beats his man more times a game than anyone except maybe Berbatov, wins more tackles than Chris Baird and all our defenders minus Riether, or that he's a player that can take a shot from outside the box without sending it into row Z, and sometimes even find the back of the net with it, something that only Petric also manages in the side.
I'd like to express my agreement with both of these posts.
I've come to the conclusion now, that Bryan is too slow to be the kind of super star I'd hope he'd be. He remains, though, our most creative player and, statistically our top provider (after Damien Duff). Elsewhere on this board the usual suspects are advocating the exclusion of Berbatov. So the way forward seems to be to leave out one of our leading providers and also our leading scorer. I know we are all entitled to our opinions, but there does seem to be some flaw in this sort of plan.
agreed
martin jol and most others who work in football know a fair bit about it so, luckily for fulham, there's no chance of ruiz or berba being dropped :)
Quote from: CanadianCottager on February 02, 2013, 10:21:48 PM
Must have watched a different game than me then, his adventurous passing into the final third created at least two golden chances today (scooped ball to Rodallega in the first half, pinpoint cross to Dejagah in the 2nd). His dribbling was excellent today, beat his man more times than the rest of the Fulham team combined today. Come on, he even won a header in the six yard box that Rafael just about scuffed off the line. Besides, Ruiz blaming is so passe, so 2012, haven't you noticed we've moved on to Senderos, Rodallega and Schwarzer now?
my turn to go :plus one:
Ruiz is working hard and without doubt has magnificent skills. Yesterday he was often caught on the ball and looked a shade slow, there were some unbelievably bad passes from him. However he was involved in most of our attacks and when he did his bit well we looked so good.
I still can't make up my mind about him, there are times when he looks like the player to lift us above the ordinary then at other times I feel we would be better off with an ordinary reliable player in his place.
The big question is can we afford the luxury of both Berbatov and Ruiz in the relegation dog fight that we are now facing.
Much prefer Ruiz in the side to Berbatov
Quote from: Bilet on February 02, 2013, 10:42:30 PM
I asked MUFC fans this question on Twitter: What Fulham-player impressed you the most today: 10 out of 11 answered Bryan Ruiz.
They watched it on tv as well then
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Quote from: ron on February 02, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
...but then again, they would, wouldn't they....?
Stop this nonsense. We have played one of the best matches of the season, Ruiz played a major part in it and all you are looking for is some kind of scapegoat. Get behind the team and its players or get lost!
that's not very nice is it. Ruiz was a complete pain in the neck today. Flashes of what he offers to looking completely out of his depth.
The game in the premier lge is too quick for him. He would be better off in Spain/Italy or France. He's had 18 months to get used to it but he still is too slow reaction wise and some of his passing was woeful.
Loads of skill, just the wrong lge.
Totally agree, it seems as I have said in another post that the views of those there like youself LB and myself seem to differ from those who were not
I think the 'short leg' problem is the reason why Ruiz is being careful and is probably not fully fit .....................he is not tackling and not taking the corners. This may be the reason he is not taking the free kicks also.
When Ruiz wants to play he is super classy, but his problem is he is such a patchy player... He drifts in and out of the game.... When he is wanting to play he is our best passer of the ball and has the skill to get away from players, but then all of a sudden he just goes missing and starts playing mis placed passes.... Very strange player because barring Berbatov he is the classiest player we have, but he is just not consistent in a game
He got caught in possesion so many times yesterday
Yes I agree Epsom.... He was our worst player yesterday, but he does show glimmers of magic but as I said he is super inconsistent
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Quote from: ron on February 02, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
...but then again, they would, wouldn't they....?
Stop this nonsense. We have played one of the best matches of the season, Ruiz played a major part in it and all you are looking for is some kind of scapegoat. Get behind the team and its players or get lost!
that's not very nice is it. Ruiz was a complete pain in the neck today. Flashes of what he offers to looking completely out of his depth.
The game in the premier lge is too quick for him. He would be better off in Spa/Italy or France. He's had 18 months to get used to it but he still is too slow reaction wise and some of his passing was woeful.
Loads of skill, just the wrong lge.
Totally agree, it seems as I have said in another post that the views of those there like youself LB and myself seem to differ from those who were not
I think it's a shame that an opinion honestly expressed invokes the rather sad reply "get behind the team or get lost"......
What did someone once say. "Patiotism is the last refuge of the Scoundrel" ? Certainly, that attitude has done great damage in the past.
Agreed Ron... Its a forum, where people give their opinion.... Yes we may not agree on everything, but thats the point... No need for the rudeness
The term "luxury player" springs to mind every time I think of Ruiz......one of those that no doubt has some class in his locker but cant produce consistently over 90 mins........there are games where he could do well and others where he skips around like a pansy with no idea how to get engaged in the game.........he could potentially be a briliant sub and that how i would play him.....TBH no one is ever going to buy him for anything like the sum we paid.
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I think he is a class act..... To accept the many assists, we have to put up with the negatives.... I'd definitely have him in my team, and I am surprised to hear myself say it, ahead of Berbatov....
I am seriously not sure what match many of you were watching yesterday... Ruiz was one of the best players on the park for either side.. he made a few mental errors but considering he was the focal point of our attack most of the day... he was bound to get caught in a possession a few times... he must have had the ball 35+....
He is luxury player... it is a luxury that 15-16 other teams in the league would like to have... if Berba gave his effort and actually stayed up near the front where the goals are happening and actually sprinted in transition the way that Hugo or Mladin do... we would be a top 8 side...
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I am seriously not sure what match many of you were watching yesterday... Ruiz was one of the best players on the park for either side.. he made a few mental errors but considering he was the focal point of our attack most of the day... he was bound to get caught in a possession a few times... he must have had the ball 35+....
He is luxury player... it is a luxury that 15-16 other teams in the league would like to have... if Berba gave his effort and actually stayed up near the front where the goals are happening and actually sprinted in transition the way that Hugo or Mladin do... we would be a top 8 side...
agreed.
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Quote from: ron on February 02, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
...but then again, they would, wouldn't they....?
Stop this nonsense. We have played one of the best matches of the season, Ruiz played a major part in it and all you are looking for is some kind of scapegoat. Get behind the team and its players or get lost!
that's not very nice is it. Ruiz was a complete pain in the neck today. Flashes of what he offers to looking completely out of his depth.
The game in the premier lge is too quick for him. He would be better off in Spain/Italy or France. He's had 18 months to get used to it but he still is too slow reaction wise and some of his passing was woeful.
Loads of skill, just the wrong lge.
Totally agree, it seems as I have said in another post that the views of those there like youself LB and myself seem to differ from those who were not
sorry, but having watched ruiz both from the sidelines and on tv, i'm pretty sure those watching on tv have a better view of the match than those who are there, and those watching on tv are better qualified to comment on how good/bad ruiz is. in fact, i don't see how anyone could logically/reasonably suggest otherwise. being at the ground is better and admirable in most respects but it doesn't give you a better view of the football
I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more.
Ruiz's work is incredibly constructive. He has great ideas and he was incredible for us yesterday. Occasionally he misplaced a ball, yes, but this was mainly because others could not get on the end of what I thought were well thought-out passes. He orchestrated almost all of our attacks and showed so much skill. People only seem to notice when he does something wrong. He's improved his physicality beyond recognition, can head balls now and trap a ball beautifully. There's serious scapegoating at play here.
I do think that Ruiz should be played in the hole and not in midfield, though. Some of our best performances this season have come from Berbatov playing as a number time with Ruiz in the hole behind him.
Well , guys you are both right and wrong. The issue is that both Berba and Ruiz drop deep. But dont you think that Berba is doing so because Jol tell him to. I think that if he did not follow manager's task he would have been dropped. The reason why Jol had both Ruiz and Berba drop deep is because they both can keep possession while our other midfielders easily lose possession and then there is no protection for our defense. Case in point, our loss at OT. for 3 of the goals, their midfielders swarm Sidwell, and he is dispossessed and they attack with numbers advantage and score. The same thing happened a few more times. It is not Sidwell's fault as well as Karagounis is excellent in destroying the buildup play of the opposition but he cannot pass and move and keep possession. With the new purchases, I think that we can hold possession better, and Frimpong as DM can provide a cushion for the defense. So maybe now, Jol can play Berba on the top of the attack. It can work well, look at the Arsenal game. Ruiz can be played at CM where he can pull the strings. we should play 4 in the back, a midfield of Frimpong, Ruiz, Emanuelson, Sidwell, and (Karagounis or Enoh or Dejagagh), and Berba on top, to hold possession, and then pass it to the overlapping midfielders (Emanuelson did that at AC Milan, or Ruiz or Dejagagh). We will be super effective that way. Lastly, Enoh has played DM, and I think he is very very capable of playing now CB with Brede. I hope Jol also tries him there as now we got enough midfielders. Also, Manolev has played midfield behind Berbatov in Bulgarian national team, and they were super effective that way. The best thing about the new purchases is that these guys can play all over the midfield and defense which is a great plus. And Frimpong and Manolev have great motors, they can run and run and run. we got fast midfielders....playing with a target man who can hold possession (like Berba) is the perfect thing. I hope Jol starts playing that way sooner.
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on February 03, 2013, 01:21:11 PM
Well , guys you are both right and wrong. The issue is that both Berba and Ruiz drop deep. But dont you think that Berba is doing so because Jol tell him to. I think that if he did not follow manager's task he would have been dropped. The reason why Jol had both Ruiz and Berba drop deep is because they both can keep possession while our other midfielders easily lose possession and then there is no protection for our defense. Case in point, our loss at OT. for 3 of the goals, their midfielders swarm Sidwell, and he is dispossessed and they attack with numbers advantage and score. The same thing happened a few more times. It is not Sidwell's fault as well as Karagounis is excellent in destroying the buildup play of the opposition but he cannot pass and move and keep possession. With the new purchases, I think that we can hold possession better, and Frimpong as DM can provide a cushion for the defense. So maybe now, Jol can play Berba on the top of the attack. It can work well, look at the Arsenal game. Ruiz can be played at CM where he can pull the strings. we should play 4 in the back, a midfield of Frimpong, Ruiz, Emanuelson, Sidwell, and (Karagounis or Enoh or Dejagagh), and Berba on top, to hold possession, and then pass it to the overlapping midfielders (Emanuelson did that at AC Milan, or Ruiz or Dejagagh). We will be super effective that way. Lastly, Enoh has played DM, and I think he is very very capable of playing now CB with Brede. I hope Jol also tries him there as now we got enough midfielders. Also, Manolev has played midfield behind Berbatov in Bulgarian national team, and they were super effective that way. The best thing about the new purchases is that these guys can play all over the midfield and defense which is a great plus. And Frimpong and Manolev have great motors, they can run and run and run. we got fast midfielders....playing with a target man who can hold possession (like Berba) is the perfect thing. I hope Jol starts playing that way sooner.
if berba did what managers asked him to do he would still be a man united. i do not believe for one minute jol tells him to drop deep. why on gods earth would he. especially when a lot of the time he is a lone striker
Quote from: Terry Angus on February 03, 2013, 12:42:41 PMQuote from: epsomraver on February 03, 2013, 11:26:05 AMQuote from: MJG on February 02, 2013, 10:54:34 PMQuote from: Bilet on February 02, 2013, 10:50:41 PMQuote from: ron on February 02, 2013, 10:46:25 PM...but then again, they would, wouldn't they....?
Stop this nonsense. We have played one of the best matches of the season, Ruiz played a major part in it and all you are looking for is some kind of scapegoat. Get behind the team and its players or get lost!
that's not very nice is it. Ruiz was a complete pain in the neck today. Flashes of what he offers to looking completely out of his depth.
The game in the premier lge is too quick for him. He would be better off in Spain/Italy or France. He's had 18 months to get used to it but he still is too slow reaction wise and some of his passing was woeful.
Loads of skill, just the wrong lge.
Totally agree, it seems as I have said in another post that the views of those there like youself LB and myself seem to differ from those who were not
sorry, but having watched ruiz both from the sidelines and on tv, i'm pretty sure those watching on tv have a better view of the match than those who are there, and those watching on tv are better qualified to comment on how good/bad ruiz is. in fact, i don't see how anyone could logically/reasonably suggest otherwise. being at the ground is better and admirable in most respects but it doesn't give you a better view of the football
not sure if what you said is a joke or serious. What you get at a game is the whole pitch in view. Things that don't come across in a 16/9 letterboxed view of a game. No you don't get replays or real close up shots of footballers gobbing onto the pitch, but you get a better feel for what's going on game wise.you see space available for players, you see the movement of teams across the whole pitch better than tv. Once the camera moves away from the player who lost or passed it, you see his reaction. You don't see that on TVs.
You'd not getting a view from a TVs company with an agenda.
Ruiz as I said yesterday was a pain. One minute brilliant then one minute could not find a white shirt.
I've seen some crap written about how he is so clever and that the players are not his wavelength. What a load of bollocks.
Yes he has skill, yes he can take players on, he loses the ball while in possession more than any player I can ever remember.
Whatever people think of Ruiz I can't see how anyone can think he can play in a two man centre midfield. He's shown he can't do that and thank God Jol knows that now as well.
I agree with others, he is a luxury player and when in a relegation battle you don't need luxury players. He gave te ball away far too often yesterday and is too easily brushed off.
For me, Rodalega has shown that when he leads the line Fulham play better. Before you say he doesn't score enough, he hasn't been given too many opportunities.
Newcastle, West ham and Manu yesterday, he was excellent and so was the team.
Quote from: epsomraver on February 03, 2013, 11:31:40 AM
He got caught in possesion so many times yesterday
agree with this completely.... and his passing was off also, anything over 10yards was constantly cut out by a United player...
on his day though he IS class but he needs to make these days happen alot more, i think the only way u play Ruiz and Berba together is by losing the wide men and having them both behind Rodders.
norwich i would like to see
Duff Karagounis Enoh/Frimpong Urby
Berbatov Rodders
Quote from: Banstead White on February 03, 2013, 12:18:44 PM
The term "luxury player" springs to mind every time I think of Ruiz......one of those that no doubt has some class in his locker but cant produce consistently over 90 mins........there are games where he could do well and others where he skips around like a pansy with no idea how to get engaged in the game.........he could potentially be a briliant sub and that how i would play him.....TBH no one is ever going to buy him for anything like the sum we paid.
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Ruiz controlled the game yesterday. He created chances all the way through the match and was a huge reason we played so well. He doesn't run round the pitch like a "pansy", he's much better at tackling than Dejagah, Kaca, Karagounis and even Baird. And don't forget how many headers he wins when he challenges. And if he does give the ball away watch his reaction, he chases after the ball and hassles whoever has it. Great player and if you can't see it then there's something wrong.
Better than Baird at tackling!!! Really..do you really believe that?
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Quote from: Banstead White on February 03, 2013, 12:18:44 PM
The term "luxury player" springs to mind every time I think of Ruiz......one of those that no doubt has some class in his locker but cant produce consistently over 90 mins........there are games where he could do well and others where he skips around like a pansy with no idea how to get engaged in the game.........he could potentially be a briliant sub and that how i would play him.....TBH no one is ever going to buy him for anything like the sum we paid.
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Ruiz controlled the game yesterday. He created chances all the way through the match and was a huge reason we played so well. He doesn't run round the pitch like a "pansy", he's much better at tackling than Dejagah, Kaca, Karagounis and even Baird. And don't forget how many headers he wins when he challenges. And if he does give the ball away watch his reaction, he chases after the ball and hassles whoever has it. Great player and if you can't see it then there's something wrong.
must have been looking down when he controlled the game... but ur prob right, something wrong with me!!
Quote from: MJG on February 03, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
Better than Baird at tackling!!! Really..do you really believe that?
Ok, not entirely true but as an attacking midfielder (someone who's not meant for defending) Ruiz does a lot better at times than Baird who is meant to be a defender.
Very good team performance yesterday. Ruiz was part of that, wasn't he? All I can say in reading this rather odd thread is that many of you like to argue yourselves into a wet paper bag to see if you could fight your way out. Sadly, I don't think many could.
Nogood "paper-bagging now, isit" Boyo
Crikey, there I go again - top'the'page, top'th'page, top'th'opage.
Nogood "topping the page when I should be topping myself at the endless debate about nothing, isit" Boyo
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Quote from: MJG on February 02, 2013, 10:54:34 PM
Quote from: Bilet on February 02, 2013, 10:50:41 PM
Quote from: ron on February 02, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
...but then again, they would, wouldn't they....?
Stop this nonsense. We have played one of the best matches of the season, Ruiz played a major part in it and all you are looking for is some kind of scapegoat. Get behind the team and its players or get lost!
that's not very nice is it. Ruiz was a complete pain in the neck today. Flashes of what he offers to looking completely out of his depth.
The game in the premier lge is too quick for him. He would be better off in Spain/Italy or France. He's had 18 months to get used to it but he still is too slow reaction wise and some of his passing was woeful.
Loads of skill, just the wrong lge.
Totally agree, it seems as I have said in another post that the views of those there like youself LB and myself seem to differ from those who were not
sorry, but having watched ruiz both from the sidelines and on tv, i'm pretty sure those watching on tv have a better view of the match than those who are there, and those watching on tv are better qualified to comment on how good/bad ruiz is. in fact, i don't see how anyone could logically/reasonably suggest otherwise. being at the ground is better and admirable in most respects but it doesn't give you a better view of the football
not sure if what you said is a joke or serious. What you get at a game is the whole pitch in view. Things that don't come across in a 16/9 letterboxed view of a game. No you don't get replays or real close up shots of footballers gobbing onto the pitch, but you get a better feel for what's going on game wise.you see space available for players, you see the movement of teams across the whole pitch better than tv. Once the camera moves away from the player who lost or passed it, you see his reaction. You don't see that on TVs.
You'd not getting a view from a TVs company with an agenda.
Ruiz as I said yesterday was a pain. One minute brilliant then one minute could not find a white shirt.
I've seen some crap written about how he is so clever and that the players are not his wavelength. What a load of bollocks.
Yes he has skill, yes he can take players on, he loses the ball while in possession more than any player I can ever remember.
in that case, you'd better ring f.i.f.a. pronto mate and tell them not to bother with goal line technology or video replay assistance for referees after all. explain to them that referees get a better feel for whether the ball has crossed the line without the aid of a close-up or replay. in fact whilst you're at it, you should record the 2010 europa league final as a win for madrid in normal time, rather than extra time, because my eyes told me pretty convincingly that aguerro scored a winner around the 80th minute. the video replays i watched later showed that it only went into the side netting, but obviously, my eyes from 200 yrds away are far more reliable than those close-ups and slow motion replays with their sinister agenda
Quote from: Humbled on February 03, 2013, 04:36:41 PM
Quote from: TWFL on February 03, 2013, 04:15:01 PM
Quote from: Banstead White on February 03, 2013, 12:18:44 PM
The term "luxury player" springs to mind every time I think of Ruiz......one of those that no doubt has some class in his locker but cant produce consistently over 90 mins........there are games where he could do well and others where he skips around like a pansy with no idea how to get engaged in the game.........he could potentially be a briliant sub and that how i would play him.....TBH no one is ever going to buy him for anything like the sum we paid.
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Ruiz controlled the game yesterday. He created chances all the way through the match and was a huge reason we played so well. He doesn't run round the pitch like a "pansy", he's much better at tackling than Dejagah, Kaca, Karagounis and even Baird. And don't forget how many headers he wins when he challenges. And if he does give the ball away watch his reaction, he chases after the ball and hassles whoever has it. Great player and if you can't see it then there's something wrong.
must have been looking down when he controlled the game... but ur prob right, something wrong with me!!
Probably. For us he was easily the most dominant.
Here are just some of the stats: Shots - Ruiz (2 on target, 2 off)
Rodallega (0 on target, 3 off)
Baird (1 on target, 1 off)
Passes - Ruiz 34/49
Riether 28/36
Dejagah 28/33
Attacking 3rd Passes - Rodallega 16/24
Ruiz 15/27
Take ons - Ruiz 4/6
Riether 1/1
Who is the one re-occurring name in that? He was easily controlling the game for us.
Quote from: Humbled on February 03, 2013, 03:57:31 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on February 03, 2013, 11:31:40 AM
He got caught in possesion so many times yesterday
agree with this completely.... and his passing was off also, anything over 10yards was constantly cut out by a United player...
on his day though he IS class but he needs to make these days happen alot more, i think the only way u play Ruiz and Berba together is by losing the wide men and having them both behind Rodders.
norwich i would like to see
Duff Karagounis Enoh/Frimpong Urby
Berbatov Rodders
Stolen from the TIFF & spot on IMO
Ruiz this season
'ok so i have it that he has played 16 times for us. 15 if you dont include sunderland as he went off early at 0 0. in the 15 games we have only lost 5 times twice to man u who we were unlucky not to get something out of twice and twice to city (the champs) and once to an impressive swansea. we have picked up 18 points in the games he has played. incontrast. we have played 10 games without losing 6 to spurs liverpool stoke qpr sunderland and westham.(games we would have looked at getting something) and managed 10 points in the other 4 games. villa brom newcastle at home and chelse away for the point. he also has 3 goals and 6 assists, and a few man of the matches to his name. we score more lose less and pick up more points when he plays'
#keephimintheholeJol
Quote from: Terry Angus on February 03, 2013, 04:45:42 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 03, 2013, 03:46:05 PM
Quote from: Terry Angus on February 03, 2013, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on February 03, 2013, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: MJG on February 02, 2013, 10:54:34 PM
Quote from: Bilet on February 02, 2013, 10:50:41 PM
Quote from: ron on February 02, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
...but then again, they would, wouldn't they....?
Stop this nonsense. We have played one of the best matches of the season, Ruiz played a major part in it and all you are looking for is some kind of scapegoat. Get behind the team and its players or get lost!
that's not very nice is it. Ruiz was a complete pain in the neck today. Flashes of what he offers to looking completely out of his depth.
The game in the premier lge is too quick for him. He would be better off in Spain/Italy or France. He's had 18 months to get used to it but he still is too slow reaction wise and some of his passing was woeful.
Loads of skill, just the wrong lge.
Totally agree, it seems as I have said in another post that the views of those there like youself LB and myself seem to differ from those who were not
sorry, but having watched ruiz both from the sidelines and on tv, i'm pretty sure those watching on tv have a better view of the match than those who are there, and those watching on tv are better qualified to comment on how good/bad ruiz is. in fact, i don't see how anyone could logically/reasonably suggest otherwise. being at the ground is better and admirable in most respects but it doesn't give you a better view of the football
not sure if what you said is a joke or serious. What you get at a game is the whole pitch in view. Things that don't come across in a 16/9 letterboxed view of a game. No you don't get replays or real close up shots of footballers gobbing onto the pitch, but you get a better feel for what's going on game wise.you see space available for players, you see the movement of teams across the whole pitch better than tv. Once the camera moves away from the player who lost or passed it, you see his reaction. You don't see that on TVs.
You'd not getting a view from a TVs company with an agenda.
Ruiz as I said yesterday was a pain. One minute brilliant then one minute could not find a white shirt.
I've seen some crap written about how he is so clever and that the players are not his wavelength. What a load of bollocks.
Yes he has skill, yes he can take players on, he loses the ball while in possession more than any player I can ever remember.
in that case, you'd better ring f.i.f.a. pronto mate and tell them not to bother with goal line technology or video replay assistance for referees after all. explain to them that referees get a better feel for whether the ball has crossed the line without the aid of a close-up or replay. in fact whilst you're at it, you should record the 2010 europa league final as a win for madrid in normal time, rather than extra time, because my eyes told me pretty convincingly that aguerro scored a winner around the 80th minute. the video replays i watched later showed that it only went into the side netting, but obviously, my eyes from 200 yrds away are far more reliable than those close-ups and slow motion replays with their sinister agenda
WTF are you talking about? What the hell has how did Ruiz play got to do with FIFA, or goal line technology.
Where did I say that TV has no place. We are talking about the view of how a player played.
I'm saying that the whole game experience and being their gives you a better view of how a player played.
Not sure why you went off on one about replays etc.
Brilliant TWFL (with the statistical analysis). Now watch someone trot out a variable of that old mathematically-challenged lion's debating technique when being nibbled to death in a corner by a numerate argument:
"There are lies, damned lies and statistics."
Nogood "one of the worst Chancellors of the Exchequer we've ever had, 'e was too" Noyo
Even worse, they might even do an ostrich and pretend those numbers don't exist, TWFL.
Nogood "can't argue with that, isit" Boyo
Quote from: MJG on February 03, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
Better than Baird at tackling!!! Really..do you really believe that?
Statiscally speaking... He wins 1.8 tackles a game, Baird 1.4
Quote from: MJG on February 03, 2013, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: Terry Angus on February 03, 2013, 04:45:42 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 03, 2013, 03:46:05 PM
Quote from: Terry Angus on February 03, 2013, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on February 03, 2013, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: MJG on February 02, 2013, 10:54:34 PM
Quote from: Bilet on February 02, 2013, 10:50:41 PM
Quote from: ron on February 02, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
...but then again, they would, wouldn't they....?
Stop this nonsense. We have played one of the best matches of the season, Ruiz played a major part in it and all you are looking for is some kind of scapegoat. Get behind the team and its players or get lost!
that's not very nice is it. Ruiz was a complete pain in the neck today. Flashes of what he offers to looking completely out of his depth.
The game in the premier lge is too quick for him. He would be better off in Spain/Italy or France. He's had 18 months to get used to it but he still is too slow reaction wise and some of his passing was woeful.
Loads of skill, just the wrong lge.
Totally agree, it seems as I have said in another post that the views of those there like youself LB and myself seem to differ from those who were not
sorry, but having watched ruiz both from the sidelines and on tv, i'm pretty sure those watching on tv have a better view of the match than those who are there, and those watching on tv are better qualified to comment on how good/bad ruiz is. in fact, i don't see how anyone could logically/reasonably suggest otherwise. being at the ground is better and admirable in most respects but it doesn't give you a better view of the football
not sure if what you said is a joke or serious. What you get at a game is the whole pitch in view. Things that don't come across in a 16/9 letterboxed view of a game. No you don't get replays or real close up shots of footballers gobbing onto the pitch, but you get a better feel for what's going on game wise.you see space available for players, you see the movement of teams across the whole pitch better than tv. Once the camera moves away from the player who lost or passed it, you see his reaction. You don't see that on TVs.
You'd not getting a view from a TVs company with an agenda.
Ruiz as I said yesterday was a pain. One minute brilliant then one minute could not find a white shirt.
I've seen some crap written about how he is so clever and that the players are not his wavelength. What a load of bollocks.
Yes he has skill, yes he can take players on, he loses the ball while in possession more than any player I can ever remember.
in that case, you'd better ring f.i.f.a. pronto mate and tell them not to bother with goal line technology or video replay assistance for referees after all. explain to them that referees get a better feel for whether the ball has crossed the line without the aid of a close-up or replay. in fact whilst you're at it, you should record the 2010 europa league final as a win for madrid in normal time, rather than extra time, because my eyes told me pretty convincingly that aguerro scored a winner around the 80th minute. the video replays i watched later showed that it only went into the side netting, but obviously, my eyes from 200 yrds away are far more reliable than those close-ups and slow motion replays with their sinister agenda
WTF are you talking about? What the hell has how did Ruiz play got to do with FIFA, or goal line technology.
Where did I say that TV has no place. We are talking about the view of how a player played.
I'm saying that the whole game experience and being their gives you a better view of how a player played.
Not sure why you went off on one about replays etc.
May well be true, but even if the TV and your eyes lie, the stats don't, and the stats say he was our most dangerous player on the day.
Oh Canadian, now you've really done it. Throwing in more numbers, isit? You and TWFL are blowing out the rancid air of guff with all this data.
Having said that, it does seem as if the Rican gets caught a lot with the ball and plays bad passes, but I remember another legend who ran this club to the dizzy heights. People said he was useless too, slow, always getting caught in possession, making terrible passes and his legs had gone.
Trouble is, four Fulham managers didn't think that. Neither did the opposition. He was the heart of the football club he was, was Murphy. Time and time again, the statistics showed it too. Like Ruiz, he was often the only one who wanted the ball, the only one to make the difficult passes and the only one who all of his team-mates wanted to pass to no matter how crowded out he was.
Nogood "face it, us fans know jack squat about this game as I see it, isit" Boyo
Quote from: CanadianCottager on February 03, 2013, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 03, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
Better than Baird at tackling!!! Really..do you really believe that?
Statiscally speaking... He wins 1.8 tackles a game, Baird 1.4
Ok we can play this game.
Are we agreed that Matthew Briggs is a better dibbler than Ruiz? I mean he averages 1 per game which Ruiz averages 0.9.
Are we agreed that Ruiz also losses the ball more than any Fulham apart from Berbatov? Which is my biggest argument against Ruiz. For a player who plays a lot deeper than berbatov and more involved, he losses it far too often in his own half. The tackles he makes are sometimes when he has lost it and goes charging after the player to get it back.
The losing possession is the biggest part of his game he has to improve, he needs to be quicker in his awareness of whats going on.
Quote from: MJG on February 03, 2013, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: CanadianCottager on February 03, 2013, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 03, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
Better than Baird at tackling!!! Really..do you really believe that?
Statiscally speaking... He wins 1.8 tackles a game, Baird 1.4
Ok we can play this game.
Are we agreed that Matthew Briggs is a better dibbler than Ruiz? I mean he averages 1 per game which Ruiz averages 0.9.
Are we agreed that Ruiz also losses the ball more than any Fulham apart from Berbatov? Which is my biggest argument against Ruiz. For a player who plays a lot deeper than berbatov and more involved, he losses it far too often in his own half. The tackles he makes are sometimes when he has lost it and goes charging after the player to get it back.
The losing possession is the biggest part of his game he has to improve, he needs to be quicker in his awareness of whats going on.
May well be, but Briggs, unlike Ruiz or Baird, has only played 3 games this season so its far to say we may need a bigger sample before passing judgement.
I also agree that he loses the ball the most out of anyone at Fulham with Berba, but thats because both Ruiz and Berba take on players and attempt more risky passes than any one else in the squad. Messi loses the ball the most on Barcelona, but thats because he's the most direct player on the team. He does play the odd sloppy sideways ball, that we agree on, but I think its a bridge too far to suggest he needs dropping for it when he's been one of Fulham's best performers of the season.
This thread is becoming a bit :dead horse:......
BTw to those who thinks it matters, I watched the game from my seat at the ground, the telly live recording and MOTD with my tea and toast this morning.........Ruiz looked pretty hopeless on each occasion so I dont think it matters where you look from.... 092.gif
love stats....
did anyone count how many times he lost possession??? i really like him but i feel i am telling it how it was and has been most the season, he requires to long on the ball. maybe its a confidence thing, cos when he did something on instinct in the game he almost had himself a great goal...
although i wont say he shouldnt play, i just think JOL needs to decide who he prefers out of him n Berba.
Ruiz 15/27 wit this pass ratio u could argue he was just as influential for United as he was us... :hook:
I watched the game in full again this morning and I agree Ruiz had a poorer first half than I imagined. Despite this he played in two good chances and hit the inside of the post. Second half he played pretty well.
Yes, Ruiz has been caught on the ball and misplaced passes more often than he should in the last few games and more than he did earlier in the season.
But I cannot understand what some of you want. He is our most creative player and was our main goal threat yesterday with the shot that hit the post and the header.
Do you really want a bland player who will pass safely sideways, not make any mistakes but probably not create anything either?
No we want Ruiz to move quicker and not get caught in possesion so often :dead horse:
Quote from: epsomraver on February 04, 2013, 12:18:18 AM
No we want Ruiz to move quicker and not get caught in possesion so often :dead horse:
:54:
I still prefer him to Berba.
Either Ruiz, or Berbatov in the No10 role. But there's not room for both in the team imo. We can afford 1 'luxury' but need the other 10 to be bl00dy hard workers if we're going to get results in the Premiership.
Quote from: Scrumpy on February 04, 2013, 12:34:44 AM
Either Ruiz, or Berbatov in the No10 role. But there's not room for both in the team imo. We can afford 1 'luxury' but need the other 10 to be bl00dy hard workers if we're going to get results in the Premiership.
:54:
whats going on tonight, i am agreeing with far too many people
Quote from: epsomraver on February 04, 2013, 12:18:18 AM
No we want Ruiz to move quicker and not get caught in possesion so often :dead horse:
Well of course. But he was still our most creative player in the last two games and he is not going to sharpen up his game in the reserves, as suggested by the original post, or on the bench.
Quote from: Scrumpy on February 04, 2013, 12:34:44 AM
I still prefer him to Berba.
Either Ruiz, or Berbatov in the No10 role. But there's not room for both in the team imo. We can afford 1 'luxury' but need the other 10 to be bl00dy hard workers if we're going to get results in the Premiership.
Ruiz and Berbatov have made the greatest contributions to our successes this season. Look at the goals and assists tables. If you take out one or the other or both you are going to greatly reduce our creativity.
Having 10 or 11 hard workers and being organised is probably what the two or three clubs just above the relegation zone at the end of the season will have. If we want to become a better team then we have to find a way of having quality players like Ruiz and Berbatov in the team and making effective use of their talent. We need more quality not less.
Bryan Ruiz vs Club Brugge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ozuZ6j0e4g#)
LOL those were the days
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on February 04, 2013, 01:24:02 AM
Quote from: Scrumpy on February 04, 2013, 12:34:44 AM
I still prefer him to Berba.
Either Ruiz, or Berbatov in the No10 role. But there's not room for both in the team imo. We can afford 1 'luxury' but need the other 10 to be bl00dy hard workers if we're going to get results in the Premiership.
Ruiz and Berbatov have made the greatest contributions to our successes this season. Look at the goals and assists tables. If you take out one or the other or both you are going to greatly reduce our creativity.
Having 10 or 11 hard workers and being organised is probably what the two or three clubs just above the relegation zone at the end of the season will have. If we want to become a better team then we have to find a way of having quality players like Ruiz and Berbatov in the team and making effective use of their talent. We need more quality not less.
And yet up until the Southampton game when we was the leagues 2nd top scorers, they had only started 2 games together!!
Since then they have started 7 together and we have scored 9. However 1 against Wigan we had Petric up top and 3 against West Ham we havd Rodders!!
thought he was good against united. lost the ball a lot because he dwells on it (which is a good attribute but needs to know when he can't do that and also when it's not the best option to do that) and also he has no idea about risk v reward so he plays risky passes around our area. however, he also provided some exceptional moments of class, was always keen to get on the ball and make stuff happen. and for a creative player to do that against a team like United, especially since they put pressure on players so intensely, it is commendable and largely accounts for why his passing rate was lower than average. besides, he worked hard off the ball, and i was struck in one moment in the first half where he had a shot or something (cant remember), united regained possession, broke, and it was ruiz who made a goal saving interception 20 yards out. so i can't say I have a bone to pick with his performance particularly and it's hypercritical if you do as far as im concerned.
quite clearly this demonstrates that berba & ruiz alone up top doesnt bring out the best in both, unless berba plays ala bobby zamora and he doesnt want that, although he cn play that way and we've seen it in swashbuckling performances vs reading and arsenal. personally thats what I think the solution is. berba must stick to it. anyway, they're both lovely players to watch, and ruiz was good. did everything other than score for me.
Quote from: LRCN on February 04, 2013, 11:14:05 PM
thought he was good against united. lost the ball a lot because he dwells on it (which is a good attribute but needs to know when he can't do that and also when it's not the best option to do that) and also he has no idea about risk v reward so he plays risky passes around our area. however, he also provided some exceptional moments of class, was always keen to get on the ball and make stuff happen. and for a creative player to do that against a team like United, especially since they put pressure on players so intensely, it is commendable and largely accounts for why his passing rate was lower than average. besides, he worked hard off the ball, and i was struck in one moment in the first half where he had a shot or something (cant remember), united regained possession, broke, and it was ruiz who made a goal saving interception 20 yards out. so i can't say I have a bone to pick with his performance particularly and it's hypercritical if you do as far as im concerned.
quite clearly this demonstrates that berba & ruiz alone up top doesnt bring out the best in both, unless berba plays ala bobby zamora and he doesnt want that, although he cn play that way and we've seen it in swashbuckling performances vs reading and arsenal. personally thats what I think the solution is. berba must stick to it. anyway, they're both lovely players to watch, and ruiz was good. did everything other than score for me.
I do kind of agree mate. I really like Ruiz. He has so much potential. I just get so frustrated with the dwelling on the ball. When he gets it u think something's going to happen u start to get to the edge of ur seat and then......... he is robbed of the ball for taking to long to decide what to do with it and that hard to take sometimes. It is in a sense a compliment to him though as I feel he has the quality to make something happen every time he touches the ball just at the present time he disappoints more than he should.
Most Defo agree with him and Berba not being our 2 'up top' players but have said it so ,any times have begun to annoy myself now
Quote from: Humbled on February 04, 2013, 11:30:10 PM
Quote from: LRCN on February 04, 2013, 11:14:05 PM
thought he was good against united. lost the ball a lot because he dwells on it (which is a good attribute but needs to know when he can't do that and also when it's not the best option to do that) and also he has no idea about risk v reward so he plays risky passes around our area. however, he also provided some exceptional moments of class, was always keen to get on the ball and make stuff happen. and for a creative player to do that against a team like United, especially since they put pressure on players so intensely, it is commendable and largely accounts for why his passing rate was lower than average. besides, he worked hard off the ball, and i was struck in one moment in the first half where he had a shot or something (cant remember), united regained possession, broke, and it was ruiz who made a goal saving interception 20 yards out. so i can't say I have a bone to pick with his performance particularly and it's hypercritical if you do as far as im concerned.
quite clearly this demonstrates that berba & ruiz alone up top doesnt bring out the best in both, unless berba plays ala bobby zamora and he doesnt want that, although he cn play that way and we've seen it in swashbuckling performances vs reading and arsenal. personally thats what I think the solution is. berba must stick to it. anyway, they're both lovely players to watch, and ruiz was good. did everything other than score for me.
I do kind of agree mate. I really like Ruiz. He has so much potential. I just get so frustrated with the dwelling on the ball. When he gets it u think something's going to happen u start to get to the edge of ur seat and then......... he is robbed of the ball for taking to long to decide what to do with it and that hard to take sometimes. It is in a sense a compliment to him though as I feel he has the quality to make something happen every time he touches the ball just at the present time he disappoints more than he should.
Most Defo agree with him and Berba not being our 2 'up top' players but have said it so ,any times have begun to annoy myself now
yeah he does take too long. that type of midfielder went with the age of riquelme 10 years ago. he wasnt like that for twente though. thought he was more direct there.
Qute from Opta Evaluation from http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2013/february/05/opta-evaluation (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2013/february/05/opta-evaluation):
"Ruiz was at the heart of many of Fulham's attacking moves and so it's no surprise that the playmaker was the busiest man in a white shirt as he was involved in 75 ball events. His input was good defensively, as well as going forward – Ruiz won possession of the ball 11 times, successfully challenged for three headers and played 13 passes into the final third of the pitch".
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on February 03, 2013, 01:21:11 PM
Well , guys you are both right and wrong. The issue is that both Berba and Ruiz drop deep. But dont you think that Berba is doing so because Jol tell him to. I think that if he did not follow manager's task he would have been dropped. The reason why Jol had both Ruiz and Berba drop deep is because they both can keep possession while our other midfielders easily lose possession and then there is no protection for our defense. Case in point, our loss at OT. for 3 of the goals, their midfielders swarm Sidwell, and he is dispossessed and they attack with numbers advantage and score. The same thing happened a few more times. It is not Sidwell's fault as well as Karagounis is excellent in destroying the buildup play of the opposition but he cannot pass and move and keep possession. With the new purchases, I think that we can hold possession better, and Frimpong as DM can provide a cushion for the defense. So maybe now, Jol can play Berba on the top of the attack. It can work well, look at the Arsenal game. Ruiz can be played at CM where he can pull the strings. we should play 4 in the back, a midfield of Frimpong, Ruiz, Emanuelson, Sidwell, and (Karagounis or Enoh or Dejagagh), and Berba on top, to hold possession, and then pass it to the overlapping midfielders (Emanuelson did that at AC Milan, or Ruiz or Dejagagh). We will be super effective that way. Lastly, Enoh has played DM, and I think he is very very capable of playing now CB with Brede. I hope Jol also tries him there as now we got enough midfielders. Also, Manolev has played midfield behind Berbatov in Bulgarian national team, and they were super effective that way. The best thing about the new purchases is that these guys can play all over the midfield and defense which is a great plus. And Frimpong and Manolev have great motors, they can run and run and run. we got fast midfielders....playing with a target man who can hold possession (like Berba) is the perfect thing. I hope Jol starts playing that way sooner.
Spot on.
Huge fan of Bryan but he's been rather complacent the past few games. Far too casual in possession and a bit too ponderous. I think dropping him would be a good reminder that he isn't guaranteed a starting place.
