Poll
Question:
Where do you think they should rebury HRH Richard III?
Option 1: Leicester Cathedral
votes: 5
Option 2: York
votes: 8
Option 3: Westminster Abbey
votes: 8
Option 4: Couldn't give a rat's behind
votes: 11
Option 5: Other
votes: 1
I know there are lots of more important issues in the world, BUT...........
Just out of curiosity, if you had a say, what would it be?
I vote for Westminster with lots of pomp & circumstance.
Put a statue up by the river
Ask Ferguson and Redknapp. We seem to have to endure their opinion on every other subject every time they appear on SSN or in a paper!!
Personally I suppose Westminster would be fitting but Leicester have a right to him under the 'archialogical treasure' rules dont they so I suppose they should have him? And theres not much else to go there for so it might boost tourism up there.
Was he as bad as the Bard portrayed him?
Arow has erupted over were to bury the remains. Leicester, were they were found and York because of his connection to there.
Quote from: YankeeJim on February 05, 2013, 09:51:32 PM
Was he as bad as the Bard portrayed him?
Apparently not. There are some historians that argue that he was portrayed that way as a smear campaign by the tudors.
V&A museum...
Steptoe & son?
History is written by the victors. Apparently he was popular in Yorkshire so perhaps that's where he belongs.
I'd be more interested in finding a national hero like Alfred the Great.
He was the one that stuck his finger in a dyke, right?
Surely York Minster. In life that was his place...in death he lay forgotten in Leicestershire for a good part of the last 500 years.
If we work on the fact that his evil reputation is nothing more than a Shakespearean calumny, then he deserves the honour of being buried in his own place.
As an aide memoire to remember the order of the colours of the spectrum, we say Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain. Perhaps if his reinstatement warns us of the dangers of believing everything the establishment wants us to hear, then he didn't.
A target man! A target man!
My kingdom for a target man!
Stay, thee, behind me, Berbatov.
For whilst the cock doth crow
like champions at White Hart Lane,
We steel ourselves like seely beggars
And yet still find a way to 37,
And a safe passage home.
Well i was in two minds about whether it is Richard especially as he has a rather female skeleton. Looking at the skull compared to the portrait, even without the reconstruction the bone structure is in the right place. I'm sure if it was modern day and you super imposed a photo of Richard over the skull it would line up at the key points. Also the battle injuries to the head wouldn't be found on a contempory female. Therefore what with the curved spine and the DNA test i am pretty convinced it is Richard III. I think he should really be buried at York Minister as he would then be home. I'm sure my Archeaology lecturer will be discussing in the lesson Thursday!
I'm guessing he's a bit too old to play CM.
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Quote from: HatterDon on February 05, 2013, 11:37:26 PM
I'm guessing he's a bit too old to play CM.
Not for Fulham. It would help Karagounis to have a peer.
Quote from: leonffc on February 05, 2013, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: YankeeJim on February 05, 2013, 09:51:32 PM
Was he as bad as the Bard portrayed him?
Apparently not. There are some historians that argue that he was portrayed that way as a smear campaign by the tudors.
If you looked at the channel 4 programme he did have a bent spine, he did die in the way Shakespeare portrayed and he did declare him self king when the real king and his brother we in the tower and they disappeared not long after.
For the two years he was King he did some good things but he did usurp the crown and had the most to gain from murder of his brothers children though that is not proof.
King of the realm = burial at Westminster Abbey. I am however biased as a pro-Richard supporter though. If not Westminster Abbey then York Minster
Richard governed/controlled the North on behalf of his brother Edward IV. Historians consider that Richard's governance was better than Edward who spent most of his reign enjoying life to the full dying too early, allegedly, of syphilis to secure the succession for his sons.
The question we will never know the answer for certain is whether Richard was complicit in the Princes in the Tower murders or not.
"Good or Bad, Still think he did it. He had the power and the motive...They were like Maffia familys...if you got in the way it was sorry youve gotta go....just no hard feelings a"
State burial could equal a public holiday, so that would get my vote.
Anything for a day off work.
Quote from: ron on February 05, 2013, 10:55:08 PM
Surely York Minster. In life that was his place...in death he lay forgotten in Leicestershire for a good part of the last 500 years.
If we work on the fact that his evil reputation is nothing more than a Shakespearean calumny, then he deserves the honour of being buried in his own place.
As an aide memoire to remember the order of the colours of the spectrum, we say Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain. Perhaps if his reinstatement warns us of the dangers of believing everything the establishment wants us to hear, then he didn't.
Putting my pedantic hat on for a moment (do I ever take it off?) the Richard of York in the above phrase was actually Richard III's dad, Richard, Duke of York, who was Henry VI's rival for the throne, which kicked off the whole Wars of the Roses saga. He did give battle in vain because, despite a number of crushing victories, he eventually ran into superior numbers who ambushed him (or he got overconfident, depending on how you read it) and got the chop without actually becoming king himself.
I agree about York, though, he belongs there more than anywhere, I think.
I do like the mock up of his face that they have made and are so proud of. It looks just like his painting. Amazing, really.
As for the Bard, he was a creature of his times, he had to write plays that would impress the Tudors, who of course got their paws on the thone after defeating Richard III at Bosworth, so he was hardly going to depict the man as a saint, was he? Ditto Macbeth. Here was the legal king of Scotland, deposed by Edward the Confessor, who was well thought of by Tudor Englishmen. Well, he, Macbeth, must have been a bad man, mustn't he? Except that history tells us he was a good king (or as good as they tended to be in those days), ruled wisely and went on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem before the English found a puppet candidate more to their liking to rule their northern neighbour and sent an army to install him.
Richard of York gave battle in vain
R = Red
O = Orange
Y = Yellow
G = Green
B = Blue
I = Indigo
V = Violet
This is how to remember the colour order in a rainbow
He should be buried in York Minster.
Richard III was Duke of Gloucester before becoming king
Rupert is 100% correct in that the mnemonic is about King Richard's father, the Duke of York, who was killed at the Battle of Wakefield with his second son Edmund, Earl of Rutland, on 30th December 1460
They were both avenged in March 1461 by the eldest son the Earl of March who became Edward IV.
The fourth son of the Duke of York, George, was Duke of Clarence. He was convicted of treason and by his brother Edward IV and the sentence of death carried out. Drowned in a butt of malmsey wine. Shakespeare again?
I have three sons. Edward, Richard and George. Named after this lot. And I wonder why mine don't get along.....
Quote from: HatterDon on February 05, 2013, 10:32:53 PM
He was the one that stuck his finger in a dyke, right?
:005:
Isn't that homophobic?
Quote from: FFC73 on February 06, 2013, 04:04:45 PM
Richard III was Duke of Gloucester before becoming king
Maybe he should be buried in Gloucester next to Edward II
Quote from: Berserker on February 06, 2013, 06:10:59 PM
Quote from: FFC73 on February 06, 2013, 04:04:45 PM
Richard III was Duke of Gloucester before becoming king
Maybe he should be buried in Gloucester next to Edward II
I believe History has decided to forget Edward II, who had a very unpleasant
end ...literally, due to his ...er relationship with a French Knight, Piers Gaveston
Stick him in the House of Lords; no one would notice.
He was born near Leicester he died near Leicester
The people of Leicester have been driving over him for years, they deserve to keep him and make some money from visitors. York and London get enough tourists already.
Quote from: Gozorich on February 06, 2013, 10:38:56 PM
Stick him in the House of Lords; no one would notice.
:005:
Quote from: Burt on February 06, 2013, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: Gozorich on February 06, 2013, 10:38:56 PM
Stick him in the House of Lords; no one would notice.
:005:
They are looking for King Alfred now in Winchester. Why not just wait until they find him and just have one big special day. Love the idea of another Bank Holiday though!
Quote from: Gozorich on February 06, 2013, 10:38:56 PM
Stick him in the House of Lords; no one would notice.
:yay:
They should have Peter Sellers as Richard reciting 'Hard Days Night' as they build a new multi storey car park around him leaving space R3 forever empty.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 06, 2013, 11:55:41 PM
They should have Peter Sellers as Richard reciting 'Hard Days Night' as they build a new multi storey car park around him leaving space R3 forever empty.
Excellent idea - it sounds doable ... which probably means that it won't be done though :wine:
In the end zone at giant stadium with jimmy Hoffa?
