Before everyone goes mad here is why ...
Yes his tactics at times are poor, this run in the last 6 games has been simply not good enough but up until then I think we were having a decent season, losing Dembele & Dempsey has taken It's toll but even more of a blow was losing Diarra for most the season then losing Dejagah to injury too. Stability is key just look at Everton they could have sacked Moyes when they finished 17th but they stuck by him & look at them now. We certainly need some changes this summer, the board need to back Jol with some money or bring in someone they trust to back.
It looks like Schwarzer , Baird , Davies will be in there way this summer what great players they have been for us, I would expect Manolev , Karagounis , Frimpong , Emanuelson & Petric to follow.
Keeping Riether has to be a priority & Enoh if the price is right.
We need a pacey defender to partner Hangeland & CM has to be the key. We lack goals upfront but I am looking forward to a full season of Dejagah & Kacaniklic on the wings.
This season has been poor but sometimes these things happen look at Newcastle, all we can hope is Jol & the board are this as we still have some quality players & with a bit of investment in key areas we can push for the top 10 again, atleast the summer won't be boring at the Cottage COYW!
sorry,
jol is the worst manager in the premiership we have had bar none, it's not even close.
he took a good well disciplined team and turned them into a shambles, tht is called going backwards. All the managers have injuries, we are no better or worse than that.
He picked the wrong left back today ina bvery poor injury prone richardson. failed to bring on the specialist riis who he has demoralised, he keeps playing the hopeless and damaging karagonis (how he was boted 2nd best player says loads about how little fulham fans know the man is a disaster area, he tries but costs us, but that is a different lecture!) he took off kaka when the greek was the obvious choice. He still plays the imensely underwhelming ruiz just because he payed such a lot of money for him... the man is truely a waste of space, and even the one thing he is half good at namely corners he didn't lket him take.
Sometimes we have players on the posts at set pieces sometimes we don't the players are ill disciplined, arguing amongst themselves and it's jols fault, jhe should have gone ages ago.... one point in seven games couertesy of an aston villa own goal! 4 home defeats in a row!half the home games well 9 out of 10 ended in defeat, l;ost to the two relegated sides!
Jol inheriteda good side and has turned it into a whimpering mess of nothingness.
if he stays we will go down 100% for sure! Time for a change.
Just my opinion.
Second post in 2 days to start jol's not to blame but his tactics are someimes wrong.
Lets take today..starts with a midfielder at LB who being a sicknote goes off for the 5th time this season with an injury.
He is replaced by a player who is another wide midfielder,while all the time having a Lb on the bench.
Said LB then comes on and wide midfielder goes into CM, when game crying out for a pacy forward.
The decisons of Jol..dont you just love them.
Sorry for realising we have not had a great season but that it could be worse, I used to enjoy this forum but now It's just as bad as cottage corner
In response to a few posters above:
1. How can you say Jol is our worst manager in the Prem era when a former manager is Lawrie Sanchez?
2. Riise has been poor this season, everyone should be able to admit that. He is way past his best, offers little and its no surprise he didn't come on. Urby is a more than adequate LB.
3. Richardson is our best LB going on ability. He just can't stay fit.
4. How can you say 'shut up you idiot'. Just reminds me why I don't read this forum as much anymore.
5. The original poster has a point. Stability is important. We've had a high turnover of managers in recent years and I think Jol would have a chance if he was given some backing by the board. Jol has a lot of successes in the transfer market (Dejagah, Reither, Berba, Karagounis, Urby, Enoh) with limited funds. He is an attraction for players, many want to play for him and given funds I think he could succeed.
Basically I don't think it matters who the manager is, if the board do not back them, we will be in trouble. They can't hope for the best like this year and need to plan early instead of waiting for deadline day.
Quote from: fulhamaustin on May 12, 2013, 10:03:01 PM
In response to a few posters above:
1. How can you say Jol is our worst manager in the Prem era when a former manager is Lawrie Sanchez?
2. Riise has been poor this season, everyone should be able to admit that. He is way past his best, offers little and its no surprise he didn't come on. Urby is a more than adequate LB.
3. Richardson is our best LB going on ability. He just can't stay fit.
4. How can you say 'shut up you idiot'. Just reminds me why I don't read this forum as much anymore.
5. The original poster has a point. Stability is important. We've had a high turnover of managers in recent years and I think Jol would have a chance if he was given some backing by the board. Jol has a lot of successes in the transfer market (Dejagah, Reither, Berba, Karagounis, Urby, Enoh) with limited funds. He is an attraction for players, many want to play for him and given funds I think he could succeed.
Basically I don't think it matters who the manager is, if the board do not back them, we will be in trouble. They can't hope for the best like this year and need to plan early instead of waiting for deadline day.
Thankyou, I can admit we have had a poor season but the premiership is a tough league & we didn't invest this summer, we certainly need some changes this summer but with investment I think Jol can get it right
Quote from: fulhamaustin on May 12, 2013, 10:03:01 PM
In response to a few posters above:
1. How can you say Jol is our worst manager in the Prem era when a former manager is Lawrie Sanchez?
2. Riise has been poor this season, everyone should be able to admit that. He is way past his best, offers little and its no surprise he didn't come on. Urby is a more than adequate LB.
3. Richardson is our best LB going on ability. He just can't stay fit.
4. How can you say 'shut up you idiot'. Just reminds me why I don't read this forum as much anymore.
5. The original poster has a point. Stability is important. We've had a high turnover of managers in recent years and I think Jol would have a chance if he was given some backing by the board. Jol has a lot of successes in the transfer market (Dejagah, Reither, Berba, Karagounis, Urby, Enoh) with limited funds. He is an attraction for players, many want to play for him and given funds I think he could succeed.
Basically I don't think it matters who the manager is, if the board do not back them, we will be in trouble. They can't hope for the best like this year and need to plan early instead of waiting for deadline day.
richardson is pants and a sick niote. riis is a wonderful player undermined and demoralised by mr jol
Sanchez started with a very poor squad and tried to build it, with a few tweaks hodgson turned most of sanchez's squad into a very good unit. Sanchez was sacked far too early to tell what may have occured if he had of got to the january transfer window.
Jol started with a very good, settled squad, it was committed and organized, they have now lost all those qualitles and we are going backwards fast and he purchased a £10m player more suited to the lower leagues!
The poster after me shouldn't insult the other posters, I agree. Even if we have different opinions keep to the point.
It is vastly important who the manager is. it is up to him to get the best from the squad he has available, jol singularly fails in this respect. Whetehr the board backs him is another question. I certainly wouldn't trust jol with any of my money based on what i have seen.
I think changing the manager now would be a huge gamble, especially given the lack of investment in the team.
There have been some real lows this season, but - in spite of some heavy tinkering - no striking combinations have seemed to work for us and we have a poor selection of players to choose from in midfield.
Given the amount of money he's spent I think Jol's actually overachieved in the transfer market. Berbatov's been a highlight, and with the right striking partner could still flourish for us. Dejagah's been lively, Riether speaks for himself and the rest have been useful back up. Only Richardson's flopped - and that's just because of his dodgy hamstrings.
I will say this though - Jol needs to sort out the Berbatov/Ruiz dilemma. One of them needs to be sold. Berbatov is the better player but how can Jol get rid of Ruiz - his most expensive acquisition and one of the few in our starting eleven who happens to be under 30?
I'm not saying Jol doesn't make mistakes. Some decisions baffle (Petric for Kaca today was outrageous for example). But this season has been written off because of no squad depth due to lack of investment. When we have had a fit squad we were flying, after January for example. But when we picked up injuries / suspensions (Brede, Sidwell, Dejagah) we've been poor because there is no realistic alternative.
Oh and Riise is not wonderful in my opinion. Past it and offers nothing anymore.
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on May 12, 2013, 09:12:04 PM
Before everyone goes mad here is why ...
Yes his tactics at times are poor, this run in the last 6 games has been simply not good enough but up until then I think we were having a decent season, losing Dembele & Dempsey has taken It's toll but even more of a blow was losing Diarra for most the season then losing Dejagah to injury too. Stability is key just look at Everton they could have sacked Moyes when they finished 17th but they stuck by him & look at them now. We certainly need some changes this summer, the board need to back Jol with some money or bring in someone they trust to back.
It looks like Schwarzer , Baird , Davies will be in there way this summer what great players they have been for us, I would expect Manolev , Karagounis , Frimpong , Emanuelson & Petric to follow.
Keeping Riether has to be a priority & Enoh if the price is right.
We need a pacey defender to partner Hangeland & CM has to be the key. We lack goals upfront but I am looking forward to a full season of Dejagah & Kacaniklic on the wings.
This season has been poor but sometimes these things happen look at Newcastle, all we can hope is Jol & the board are this as we still have some quality players & with a bit of investment in key areas we can push for the top 10 again, atleast the summer won't be boring at the Cottage COYW!
And a straight red for you sir.....
Quote from: Texas White on May 12, 2013, 10:36:25 PM
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on May 12, 2013, 09:12:04 PM
Before everyone goes mad here is why ...
Yes his tactics at times are poor, this run in the last 6 games has been simply not good enough but up until then I think we were having a decent season, losing Dembele & Dempsey has taken It's toll but even more of a blow was losing Diarra for most the season then losing Dejagah to injury too. Stability is key just look at Everton they could have sacked Moyes when they finished 17th but they stuck by him & look at them now. We certainly need some changes this summer, the board need to back Jol with some money or bring in someone they trust to back.
It looks like Schwarzer , Baird , Davies will be in there way this summer what great players they have been for us, I would expect Manolev , Karagounis , Frimpong , Emanuelson & Petric to follow.
Keeping Riether has to be a priority & Enoh if the price is right.
We need a pacey defender to partner Hangeland & CM has to be the key. We lack goals upfront but I am looking forward to a full season of Dejagah & Kacaniklic on the wings.
This season has been poor but sometimes these things happen look at Newcastle, all we can hope is Jol & the board are this as we still have some quality players & with a bit of investment in key areas we can push for the top 10 again, atleast the summer won't be boring at the Cottage COYW!
And a straight red for you sir.....
Up until mid April we were having a good season
we could of on today if we were giving a pen and then we would of been 10th fine margins, give jol some bloody money and trust him. should of kept kaka on, bit we are Fulham 12 years in the prem is no mean fete at all, but we need to invest, spend 30m to push in the top half, we are not far away
MAF picked Jol for a reason - he's a decent gaffer.
We need competition for places. Roy was great at exploiting that. The past few games the team picks itself. I didn't even rate Sidwell and all due respect he's really done quite well (judging this on the season).
Jol has had the luxury of sussing out players. Reithner you keep. Maybe Richardson you don't. But I won't be judging the team on the past few games when we've been safe.
It comes down to how much Jol needs and MAF wants to dish out. MAF wants max profits and ~ safety. If Jol wants champions league football, he should join Mark Hughes at that whatever team he's with and I'm sure they're in Europe somewhere oops I mean he's gone and that team are fizzy pop.
I'd like to see Jol stay and I'd like him to be able with the help of the board bring in good players that create competition for places. We'll see, but I'd be expecting as much. MAF a business man.
How can Jol still be defended? Week in week out we play the same way. Berbatov and Ruiz behind him. They are great, wonderful players but are crying out for a forward of pace to play in the system. This has been the problem from day one. So Jol looks at his squad and he still decides to bring on another slow forward in Petric. The same player who once missed a goal from the goal line and was offside anyway. If we had lost and Fulham tried to go forward at pace then there would be less to complain about.
Players being injured and players making mistakes are not always down to the manager. But yesterday Brede was charging up the pitch. Do we know why? Frustrated that we have no runners again? Jol being defended because if bad luck or a bad squad is fine. However he doesn't use what he has and plays the same way week in week out. Despite injury problems. As if losing Dejagah didn't matter. Like a manager playing a computer game who doesn't know how to change the formation.
I don't believe in him and the players look as if they have long ago stopped listening. Please let him go. He is the worst manager bar none we have had in the Prem with the squad he has.
if dejagah wasnt kicked against qpr, everyone will be still singing jol praises, losing dejagah was a huge blow. with him we had more chance of beating villa, reading and arsenal, and liverpool i think.
Quote from: fulhamaustin on May 12, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
I'm not saying Jol doesn't make mistakes. Some decisions baffle (Petric for Kaca today was outrageous for example). But this season has been written off because of no squad depth due to lack of investment. When we have had a fit squad we were flying, after January for example. But when we picked up injuries / suspensions (Brede, Sidwell, Dejagah) we've been poor because there is no realistic alternative.
Kaca was having calf problems that is why he was taken off, you could see at certain times he was trying to stretch his calves out, but obviously did not work. Not so outrageous as you suggests)
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 13, 2013, 09:53:04 AM
How can Jol still be defended? Week in week out we play the same way. Berbatov and Ruiz behind him. They are great, wonderful players but are crying out for a forward of pace to play in the system. This has been the problem from day one.
What players do we have who can play this way? None. No investment = no choice. And don't say Hugo, he is woeful.
Quote from: alfie on May 13, 2013, 10:01:08 AM
Kaca was having calf problems that is why he was taken off, you could see at certain times he was trying to stretch his calves out, but obviously did not work. Not so outrageous as you suggests)
Didn't see this - I stand corrected.
The funny thing is we are 1 point off a top ten spot, and 5 from the drop.... The problem is we have been so poor and Jol has no ideas to change things around. Would rather have played our development team the last few games of the season, least they would have cared...
Big changes in the summer are needed, both on the pitch and off it
Zu meister I agree losng dejegah was a.massive blow as we lost our shape and balance to the team.... Jol should have changed things around though, once it was clear the system without him wasnt working
Jol for Everton (we might eventually win there).
Martinez for Fulham.
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on May 12, 2013, 09:12:04 PM
Before everyone goes mad here is why ...
Yes his tactics at times are poor, this run in the last 6 games has been simply not good enough but up until then I think we were having a decent season, losing Dembele & Dempsey has taken It's toll but even more of a blow was losing Diarra for most the season then losing Dejagah to injury too. Stability is key just look at Everton they could have sacked Moyes when they finished 17th but they stuck by him & look at them now. We certainly need some changes this summer, the board need to back Jol with some money or bring in someone they trust to back.
It looks like Schwarzer , Baird , Davies will be in there way this summer what great players they have been for us, I would expect Manolev , Karagounis , Frimpong , Emanuelson & Petric to follow.
Keeping Riether has to be a priority & Enoh if the price is right.
We need a pacey defender to partner Hangeland & CM has to be the key. We lack goals upfront but I am looking forward to a full season of Dejagah & Kacaniklic on the wings.
This season has been poor but sometimes these things happen look at Newcastle, all we can hope is Jol & the board are this as we still have some quality players & with a bit of investment in key areas we can push for the top 10 again, atleast the summer won't be boring at the Cottage COYW!
+ 1
i certainly feel losing diarra was a massive blow.. such a shame
here's to an injury free season after this one ;)
Quote from: Deanothefulhamfan on May 13, 2013, 01:56:05 PM
Zu meister I agree losng dejegah was a.massive blow as we lost our shape and balance to the team.... Jol should have changed things around though, once it was clear the system without him wasnt working
With Jol thee is always an excuse, Ruiz out, be all right when he comes back, now it is "Mick " who lets face it was only just starting to show some real talent, That is what having a squad is for and how wisely the manager uses it, the real problem is that three players as long as fit are always starting the games irrespective of poor performances.
I think the Jol debate is going to run longer than the Jimmy Saville scandal. I have bashed him and occasionally thought he was turning it round until he does a full 360 and back into the abyss. Yes, good point, all clubs need stability but gems like Fergie, Moyes and Wenger are rare and probably would not stay with our small club.
Personally, I am on the fence. There is no doubt Jol has been a failure this season. His failings are simple. This season grade F, and more important, he took over a very good team and turned it into the dross we have seen this season. His transition grade is also F.
Having said that, if he signs 2 gems this summer, all will be sweetness and light on here.
Despite the fact I am not in the Jol camp, I think he might just be able to find those 2 gems. We shall see.
some people on this forum are so idiotic i cant even understand. we lost some of our best players at the start of the season, and maybe jol should of acted better but its not entirely his fault. do you think he didn't want to spend any money ? of course not, the board didn't give it to him. sanchez spent 20+ mil in his first season so the guy that said jol is our worst ever manager needs to stop being a football fan. were probably gonna come around 14th and its being classed as a bad season, that shows how much we have come over the years where we used to be favorites to go down every season. some of you need to get a grip and just be grateful were doing ok in the best league in the world with some really good players (berbatov, riether, hangeland, emanuelson, ruiz). i swear you lot complain more than you encourage
Quote from: hazzaffc on May 14, 2013, 02:53:51 PM
some people on this forum are so idiotic i cant even understand. we lost some of our best players at the start of the season, and maybe jol should of acted better but its not entirely his fault. do you think he didn't want to spend any money ? of course not, the board didn't give it to him. sanchez spent 20+ mil in his first season so the guy that said jol is our worst ever manager needs to stop being a football fan. were probably gonna come around 14th and its being classed as a bad season, that shows how much we have come over the years where we used to be favorites to go down every season. some of you need to get a grip and just be grateful were doing ok in the best league in the world with some really good players (berbatov, riether, hangeland, emanuelson, ruiz). i swear you lot complain more than you encourage
I am the guy that said Jol was was a candidate for worst manager. He is much worse than sanchez but I feel sure you may not have read what i said properly.
Sanchez took over a very poor squad, in need of major surgery. With a bit of tweaking from hodgson most of that squad went on to greater things. Sanchez had less than half a season and never got to January to try and improve in a couple of key areas.
Jol inherited a good squad, well motivated, organised and committed with a great work ethic. That clearly is no longer the case. But the two key issues with jol are that he clearly has alienated good servants of the club for no benifit to the club and second, regardless of the money he does or doesn't have available, he dioes not get te best from the squad he has available.
We have 40 points with one game left, we could still theoretically go down, with the players we have that is a remarkable achievement, that and 9 home defeats, and one point in the last seven games (and that to aston villa courtesy of an own goal!).
I am extremely grateful to still be in this division but what i loathe is underacheiving in such a big time manner.
You suggest I stop being a football fan, what do you mean? My commitment to the club is absolute. I have had a season tiicket since before the ark and never failed to renew. If we were in the conference or blue square or whatever that is called nowadays i would renew. I have tickets for swansea, i was there last time we were relegated, i had to get tickets this time too to at least show my loyalty to the club (not any individualin it) what do you mean I should stop being a fan? It is precisely because I am a fan and a supporter of the club, this club, my club that I speak out when things are wrong and not as good as they could be. And surely with our current manager we are underperforming. All I want is that we get the best from the team available, and that is not happening.
I want Jol to stay. Its the owners that have cause this. He needs at least 15 million to get a top ten finish
Quote from: alfie on May 13, 2013, 10:01:08 AM
Quote from: fulhamaustin on May 12, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
I'm not saying Jol doesn't make mistakes. Some decisions baffle (Petric for Kaca today was outrageous for example). But this season has been written off because of no squad depth due to lack of investment. When we have had a fit squad we were flying, after January for example. But when we picked up injuries / suspensions (Brede, Sidwell, Dejagah) we've been poor because there is no realistic alternative.
Kaca was having calf problems that is why he was taken off, you could see at certain times he was trying to stretch his calves out, but obviously did not work. Not so outrageous as you suggests)
It was still an awful substitution. Rodallega for Kacaniklic was the change to make; that was obvious to most.
It's said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result. Questionable team selections, odd subbing, poor tactical flexibility, disinterest in motivating his players -- those are the characteristics of a manager who should be fired. Instantly.
Mancini's team finishes 2d and he gets fired. Jol's team is in freefall for the second time this season (1 point from 21), yet he still has a job. We lost to f-ing Reading at home! We've played worse than relegated teams. How much worse do you need it to get before you recognize it's time for a change.
Quote from: nose on May 12, 2013, 09:28:13 PM
ruiz... is truely a waste of space
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 13, 2013, 09:53:04 AM
Ruiz... great, wonderful player
There you go. Two of Jol's most vociferous critics giving totally opposite opinions in the same thread.
You can't both be right, so which is it? Because one of you must be talking rubbish.
Quote from: hazzaffc on May 14, 2013, 02:53:51 PM
some people on this forum are so idiotic i cant even understand.
just because people have a different view does not make them idiotic. Maybe your view is also idiotic, but its not. Its a pov which is one way to look at the situation. I don't agree with it but you seem to think I'm idiotic because of it.
Why call people that? Can't you respect the views of others?
The question is : Does Jol want to stay ????
In my opinion, everything about he body language screams Noooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!
If he doesn't get promished a huge bag of money he will leave. I do wonder if the teams lack of motivation is because Jol has lost his passion to be the Fulham manager, and the verbs have passed to the team
Totally agree.On both counts
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on May 12, 2013, 10:00:49 PM
Sorry for realising we have not had a great season but that it could be worse, I used to enjoy this forum but now It's just as bad as cottage corner
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on May 14, 2013, 09:40:40 PM
Totally agree.On both countsQuote from: JackyFulham90 on May 12, 2013, 10:00:49 PM
Sorry for realising we have not had a great season but that it could be worse, I used to enjoy this forum but now It's just as bad as cottage corner
It's inevitable with a large group of people that you will get different views on things, and that some posters will be glass half empty types, and others half full. And these differences get magnified when things haven been great on the pitch.
We're only human, after all...!
All football forums I have seen all have this in common.
I would like to think though that with this board you have less of the trolling and abuse that happens elsewhere.
It's what's best for the club, and even though Jol will be perfect in the transfer window, his passion and drive for being our manager is non existent and he doesn't get the best out of the players. We need a manager who will get the best, who does want to be there and preferably one who could work on a tighter budget, much like Hodgson.
I hope we keep Jol............................................................away from the first team
If Jol goes that is ok by me and if he stays so is that. But be sure Jol will be first out next season should we start badly. I'm sot sure whether schwarzer will leave as he wants first team football. I cannot see any other club guaranteeing that and whether we get a top keeper or not who knows. Schwarzer may be happy to stay. We certainly need another defender and left back we also need Reither to sign. We need at least one central midfielder and a good forward who can bring others into play. Whether we have those young players coming through the ranks I'm not sure but if I can see it surely sn can others at the club
If Jol goes that is ok by me and if he stays so is that. But be sure Jol will be first out next season should we start badly. I'm sot sure whether schwarzer will leave as he wants first team football. At 40 I cannot see any other club guaranteeing that and whether we get a top keeper or not who knows. Schwarzer may be happy to stay. We certainly need another defender and left back we also need Reither to sign. We need at least one central midfielder and a good forward who can bring others into play. Whether we have those young players coming through the ranks I'm not sure but if I can see it surely so can others at the club
I believe MJ will perk up when he has a deeper, more talented team. Cobbling together a team from the current bunch could break one's spirit. Watching it has almost broken mine!
We're safe and I'm hoping this summer is productive.
Roland
There's been lots of talk about Him not motivating the team but who's motivating Jol. If Jol had pulled out all the stops these last few weeks and gained more points. Would the Board sanction more money? Maybe Jol's a bit smarter than people are giving him credit for. How many of you would put in maximum effort when your bosses don't.
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on May 12, 2013, 10:30:56 PM
I think changing the manager now would be a huge gamble, especially given the lack of investment in the team.
There have been some real lows this season, but - in spite of some heavy tinkering - no striking combinations have seemed to work for us and we have a poor selection of players to choose from in midfield.
Given the amount of money he's spent I think Jol's actually overachieved in the transfer market. Berbatov's been a highlight, and with the right striking partner could still flourish for us. Dejagah's been lively, Riether speaks for himself and the rest have been useful back up. Only Richardson's flopped - and that's just because of his dodgy hamstrings.
I will say this though - Jol needs to sort out the Berbatov/Ruiz dilemma. One of them needs to be sold. Berbatov is the better player but how can Jol get rid of Ruiz - his most expensive acquisition and one of the few in our starting eleven who happens to be under 30?
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A good post that just about sums up my own sentiments.
No doubt the most difficult situation facing Jol is the failed Ruiz/Berbatove partnership. He paid some 16m for these two what can he do with them, he would never recover his money on Ruiz who has be tried in several different roles in the two seasons he has been with us,
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on May 15, 2013, 10:52:36 AM
There's been lots of talk about Him not motivating the team but who's motivating Jol. If Jol had pulled out all the stops these last few weeks and gained more points. Would the Board sanction more money? Maybe Jol's a bit smarter than people are giving him credit for. How many of you would put in maximum effort when your bosses don't.
I'd actually never contemplated this but perhaps VHLC has a point ! I wonder that, having reached relative safety in the league, the last 6 or so performances have been 'diplomatically' poor to highlight the need to loosen the purse strings close season ? Jol of course could never admit to this, but if so it could be a master stroke.. I just think Jol is too talented to be as bad as we have been recently..
Oh yes - and the moon landings were staged in a studio in Arizona..
Quote from: Vinnieffc on May 15, 2013, 02:24:44 PM
Oh yes - and the moon landings were staged in a studio in Arizona..
True story
Jol out x3
It's the only way we have a prayer of escaping relegation next season.
Quote from: KCat on May 14, 2013, 08:05:13 PM
The question is : Does Jol want to stay ????
In my opinion, everything about he body language screams Noooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!
I think this is the real question, we don't sack managers , we offered Hughes a new contract, Jol has done an OK job as the first phase of his transformation comes to an end. Does he have the appetite for another year of transition for his project or does he want to move on to new pastures? It's difficult as his standard demeanour is pretty dour and detached.
Hopefully he will heed his own advice to players on grass not always being greener after Fulham, which has proved especially true with both our last two managers.
After what happened at the end of the 2012 transfer window and the players we ended up with I think he deserves a medal for keeping is up, even if we did have a few squeaky-bum-moments during the last few weeks.
I am yet to be convinced that anyone else would have played such a bad hand much better or unearthed better "no-money" signings.
The real tests will be what happens after this transfer window.
Hopefully he will not get any last minute shocks and we will see some of the players we invested in making it out of the Academy and on to the Craven Cottage pitch.
Quote from: Zu-Meister on May 13, 2013, 10:00:50 AM
if dejagah wasnt kicked against qpr, everyone will be still singing jol praises, losing dejagah was a huge blow. with him we had more chance of beating villa, reading and arsenal, and liverpool i think.
If you check the board's content prior to Dejagah's injury, I think you'll find that not everyone "was singing Jol's praises." There's a sizable contingent on Friends of Fulham who think that Jol is our worst manager since Sanchez, and that if he doesn't go and go soon, that this season is just a prelude to relegation.
I grow weary of the opinion that if you don't love Jol, you don't love Fulham. It seems to be the mantra of many, many posters here.
Quote from: HatterDon on May 17, 2013, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: Zu-Meister on May 13, 2013, 10:00:50 AM
if dejagah wasnt kicked against qpr, everyone will be still singing jol praises, losing dejagah was a huge blow. with him we had more chance of beating villa, reading and arsenal, and liverpool i think.
If you check the board's content prior to Dejagah's injury, I think you'll find that not everyone "was singing Jol's praises." There's a sizable contingent on Friends of Fulham who think that Jol is our worst manager since Sanchez, and that if he doesn't go and go soon, that this season is just a prelude to relegation.
I grow weary of the opinion that if you don't love Jol, you don't love Fulham. It seems to be the mantra of many, many posters here.
I grow weary of the opinion that if you think Jol given the chance to bring in players he wants will do well you are considered a "Jol lover" a term Mr HD that you seem to like to use, i am neither a Jol lover or hater, i am a supporter of Fulham Football Club and because i may have an opinion that may conflict with others i do not see why i should be given a title.
alfie - He who walks without title
Quote from: HatterDon on May 18, 2013, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: alfie on May 18, 2013, 02:07:38 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 18, 2013, 12:57:11 PM
alfie - He who walks without title
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:49: as well
And, sorry, alfie. I didn't mean to offend.
Well alfie didn't want to be given a title. So in my hilarious manner I gave alfie a title of .... you see? Oh for Gods sake please yourselves.
Quote from: HatterDon on May 18, 2013, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: alfie on May 18, 2013, 02:07:38 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 18, 2013, 12:57:11 PM
alfie - He who walks without title
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:49: as well
And, sorry, alfie. I didn't mean to offend.
no offence taken, was just making the point that we all want the same thing at the end of the day, we just have different ways of showing it. I am now going to play some blues from the man i love more than Jol or football for that matter, Mr John Mayall. Have a nice evening/night
Quote from: alfie on May 18, 2013, 11:59:40 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on May 18, 2013, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: alfie on May 18, 2013, 02:07:38 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 18, 2013, 12:57:11 PM
alfie - He who walks without title
:49:
:49: as well
And, sorry, alfie. I didn't mean to offend.
no offence taken, was just making the point that we all want the same thing at the end of the day, we just have different ways of showing it. I am now going to play some blues from the man i love more than Jol or football for that matter, Mr John Mayall. Have a nice evening/night
Just finished 2.5 hours of singing songs by Albert King, Robert Johnson, Louis Jordan, Sam Cooke, Ray Charles, and Junior Wells [among others]. Mellowed out here. Have a good morning and COYW
