Experimental team from Jol on last day of the season giving the youngsters a chance...
@FulhamFC: Fulham starting XI v Swansea: Schwarzer; Riether, Senderos, Hangeland, Riise; Duff, Frimpong, Enoh, Kacaniklic; Ruiz; Berbatov. #FFC
Not...
Thank god it's our last game. What an appalling line up. What is his obsession with Riise and Duff. Jols obsession with Duff is wrong.
@FulhamFC: Swansea team: Vorm; Rangel, Chico Flores, Williams, Davies; Britton, de Guzman; Routledge, Hernandez, Dyer; Michu #ffc
On the other hand...maybe it means we're taking it seriously.
(Optimism).
Quote from: BenjyUK on May 19, 2013, 03:16:57 PM
On the other hand...maybe it means we're taking it seriously.
(Optimism).
hmm, Jol might be taking it seriously but the jury is out on wether the players will...
Win today and saints loss wins me £100 off my QPR and Southampton supporting mates for higher finish...
Jol would love to get the three points, and , hopefully, the players too.
No youngsters on the bench.
Don't care anymore. Jol is taking the proverbial with that team. SAME 0LD SAME OLD. He hasn't any idea. The team that has failed time and time again in the same formation that has failed time and time again. I just hope, whatever the result, Jol sods off soon.
Quote from: EJL on May 19, 2013, 03:45:32 PM
No youngsters on the bench.
Frei looks pretty young to me but no one from the U 21´s
Quote from: grandad on May 19, 2013, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: EJL on May 19, 2013, 03:45:32 PM
No youngsters on the bench.
Frei looks pretty young to me but no one from the U 21´s
Didn't see Frei. I was skimming over the subs list for people I didn't recognise, haha.
Quote from: grandad on May 19, 2013, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: EJL on May 19, 2013, 03:45:32 PM
No youngsters on the bench.
Frei looks pretty young to me but no one from the U 21´s
I'd like to see Frei subbed in
on the right some time in the 2nd half!
Poor team. Poor manager.
Good position here. Challenge the keeper, Ruiz!
Rubbish
another quality Riise free kick
Ruiz had a great chance but just didn't shoot. Seeeeeeriously, he had about 3 chances and did nothing.
Decent game so far though.
Quote from: God The Mechanic on May 19, 2013, 04:07:10 PM
Ruiz had a great chance but just didn't shoot. Seeeeeeriously, he had about 3 chances and did nothing.
Decent game so far though.
that situation was frustrating he took ages to decide what to do
Fulham are so so slowwwwwwwwwww!
pass pass pass (Hangeland and Senderos)...lose ball.
ahh token Senderos error. Glad that's over with without punishment.
Get innnnnn
YAY!!! KACA :)
What a goal!!!
KACA BOY RUNS RIOT :)
lovely from Ruiz and great finish
Kaca is a fantastic finisher
Kaca - yeeeeeees
Beautiful passing, nice through ball by Frimpong, and cool finish by Kacaniklic. 1-0
brilliant goal
Fantastic goal! Was not expecting that..
That's a glorious goal and shows what Ruiz needs to do more, and what he needs from his team mates to do it more.
What's our support like today? Didn't hear much of a cheers for the goal.
BBC Final Score crediting Enoh with through ball and Berba with flick...do they not watch the game :/
The through ball to Kacaniklic was from Frimpong, not Ruiz.
yea indead I was just thinking I missed something cause clearly Frimpong passed to Kaca :)
Enoh on the other hand gets each slight breeze called a foul on him
defensive work appalling as usual though. Ref being lenient thankfully
Quote from: alexbishop on May 19, 2013, 04:25:11 PM
BBC Final Score crediting Enoh with through ball and Berba with flick...do they not watch the game :/
Surprised they didn't see it as a Berba finish, from a Berba pass, from a Berba flick.
senderos is so bad. hopefully we do sign Amorebieta
WE HAVE A GAME PLAN.
lol so my neighbours from downstairs preparing a barbecue in the yard and one knocks on my window to ask me if i'm a Fulham fan
the guy turns out to be one of us as well and has a "still believe" tattoo on his arm
Kacaniklic soooo close
Quote from: KP_FFC on May 19, 2013, 04:31:21 PM
senderos is so bad. hopefully we do sign Amorebieta
Overall devensive play has been awful, don't think it's really fair to pick him out today.
Noooo Kaca hits the post! He and Dejagah better be our wingers for next year!
the usual stuff, trying to throw away the lead :D
Quote from: God The Mechanic on May 19, 2013, 04:33:25 PM
Quote from: KP_FFC on May 19, 2013, 04:31:21 PM
senderos is so bad. hopefully we do sign Amorebieta
Overall devensive play has been awful, don't think it's really fair to pick him out today.
true but in general he isnt as good as he once was
our defence really do try hard to keep their goals conceded tally up don't they?
Quote from: IranianCottager on May 19, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
Noooo Kaca hits the post! He and Dejagah better be our wingers for next year!
Let it be so! 049:gif
Senderos is down, I repeat, Senderos is down!
Why do we just stop attacking? We shut down like a windows computer!
We're actually winning...
1/2 time. One nicely worked goal and couple of chances but otherwise, doing our best to give away our lead.
People moaning still then?
Right.
winning but getting outplayed
berbatov looks very frustrated when nobody makes runs
Sorry but this is so boring. I have positive all this year but I can't understand why we just stop and don't attack. It's like we are not allowed to go over half way.
Quote from: KP_FFC on May 19, 2013, 04:50:59 PM
winning but getting outplayed
berbatov looks very frustrated when nobody makes runs
well, aren't we all frustrated when we just stop moving when there's a decent counter opportunity :D
Quote from: PokerMatt on May 19, 2013, 04:50:53 PM
People moaning still then?
Right.
Honest appraisals of the first half.
If Jol sends Kaka out on loan next season, he's nuts. We're miles better when he plays, would be a lot better if we had Dejagah and Sidwell.
People STILL moaning about people moaning. This is the same team with the same performance. We have scored a nice goal but we are still slow in going forward and still giving the ball away. I really wish people see the game for what it is.
Still Kaka proved he is useful and creating space for himself. Oh but for a bit of pace up the middle. Hope our second half has more chances for us and keeps them quiet.
Well as it stands we are 11th. Not bad for a crap year with no attacking or defending what so ever!
We've had CLEARLY the two best chances of the game. If not for Vorm it'd be 2-0.
Schwarzer's had, what, that low shot from the corner of the box saved. What else has he done?
Good first half in my books, by this seasons standards anyway. Repeatedly impressed by Enoh but please Lord, relieve us from more Duff perfomances. As much as I respect him in all he's done throughtout his career and this club, he is no longer a winger. He is probably the most predictable player in the prem. I'll bet right/left backs rub their hands when they see him on the teamsheet. Kaca on the other hand...
Quote from: JIMMY D on May 19, 2013, 04:57:33 PM
Well as it stands we are 11th. Not bad for a crap year with no attacking or defending what so ever!
Just shows what a bonkers league the Prem is.
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 19, 2013, 04:56:43 PM
People STILL moaning about people moaning. This is the same team with the same performance. We have scored a nice goal but we are still slow in going forward and still giving the ball away. I really wish people see the game for what it is.
But you're now moaning about people moaning about people moaning.
What does that mean i'm doing? 090.gif
Kaca has been excellent and very mature
Duff too quiet
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Quote from: Count Berbatov on May 19, 2013, 05:02:39 PM
Kaca has been excellent and very mature
Duff too quiet
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He's been quiet since November. Useless.
Quote from: Count Berbatov on May 19, 2013, 05:02:39 PM
Kaca has been excellent and very mature
Duff too quiet
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duff has been great defencivley
but bad offencivley
Looks like we are playing for a 1-0 , 1-1 , 2-1 loss... Sitting back like a fat man in a McDonald's
i'm not sure we're gonna hold on much longer if we continue playing in our keeper box :D
yes guys that's the spirit, more fancy ball control in our penalty area please
Berbatov couldn't have made that earlier cross any more difficult for Ruiz.
this is painful
Quote from: EJL on May 19, 2013, 05:16:25 PM
Berbatov couldn't have made that earlier cross any more difficult for Ruiz.
I think you are underestimating him. It only wasn't his intention this time :D
We have another 35 minutes of this. Why do we have forwards and midfielders when we don't need them. Just have 10 defenders.
were playing too defensive the whole game
thats what happens when you play 2 defensive midfeilders and a rm who doesnt attack
big Shwartz saves the day again
if Swansea were not so terrible with their finishing we could've been 5-1 down by now
WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING?
We need W ham to lose - 2-2 now and Norwich not to win 1-2 now and we need another goal
hey look we passed the halfway line for a second there :D
seriously this is getting embarassing
I've never seen a 4-4-2 deployed so poorly as I have this season
:dft007:
Norwich 2-2
If it wasn't for big Mark we would be down 3-1
to be fair with their billionaire owners and the millions they have invested in their squad Swansea should be dominating us...
According to this commentator, you have to be touched by another player to get injured.
its a matter of time
Quote from: JIMMY D on May 19, 2013, 05:23:28 PM
If it wasn't for big Mark we would be down 3-1
don't want to deny his influence but still Swansea have been terrible so far and hit 90% of the shots straight at his chest
What did Jol say at half time? Let's give Mark the ball?
This sums up the season quite nicely.
A nice, pacey attacking substitution there. Karagounis is on.
we are SOO lucky to be in the lead still
Quote from: KP_FFC on May 19, 2013, 05:28:29 PM
we are SOO lucky to be in the lead still
i'm not sure how you came up with that! :D
I've never been so down about being 1-up away from home. What a poor, poor performance. We look like a pub team.
Quote from: The Bronsons on May 19, 2013, 05:31:00 PM
I've never been so down about being 1-up away from home. What a poor, poor performance. We look like a pub team.
+1
lets see what Urby does now
duff off for urby, nicee
hangeland has been our best player so far IMO
Mr Jol has a brain. Duff is finally off the pitch. Why did he extend his contract. He has been useless practically all season.
The same old rubbish, sit back and give the opposition every chance to score.
Game after game, for love sake! It may not be as easy as it looks but we play like a an under 12's team playing a an under 16 team, pack the defense and hope for the best.
Another typical Fulham performance. Such a shame we just have no idea how to keep the ball or change things.
We'll probs score and win 2-0
Quote from: Brown@FFC on May 19, 2013, 05:34:16 PM
Mr Jol has a brain. Duff is finally off the pitch. Why did he extend his contract. He has been useless practically all season.
Because we'll actually need a squad next season.
Yes Berba! Looked offside, but I'll take it!
BERBAAAAAAAAAA
Nice goal and can we hang on.
Fulhamish.
Oh yes. Berb
Hahahaha WHAT!! We are winning 2 0
well now it looks more likely that we might win
COYW
Quote from: IranianCottager on May 19, 2013, 05:36:54 PM
Yes Berba! Looked offside, but I'll take it!
One of the Swansea defenders played him onside.
Jol out! :005:
We need M City and Reading to score and we finish 10th
lool nice enough but:
Some would say the table never lies, I would say we prove to be the exception to the rule. If you look away from the start of this season, than we can only go forward playing wise NeXT season ..
Quote from: IranianCottager on May 19, 2013, 05:36:54 PM
Yes Berba! Looked offside, but I'll take it!
About three yards on, as it happens.
Lady Luck is on Fulhams side!
How very backwards. That'll get us some extra money for a better placed finish. Touch wood we don't concede 5.
Emanuelson come on for Duff. Gets an assist. So much better than Duff.
As it stands we are 7 points off the relegation zone. What were we getting all worked up about.
Quote from: Brown@FFC on May 19, 2013, 05:41:36 PM
Emanuelson come on for Duff. Gets an assist. So much better than Duff.
Assist was from Ruiz actually
Wonder how many million £ we make from winning this game and finished higher than a lose would provide.
More importantly..
I've done West Ham, Norwich, Fulham and United today...
I'm vomiting with stress..
I will never figure this club out?
its 775000 or 755000 a place
Was that a goodbye wave from Berbatov as he got subbed off??
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on May 19, 2013, 05:43:35 PM
Wonder how many million £ we make from winning this game and finished higher than a lose would provide.
We stood to win a max of c£4m if we won, and all above us lost.
It is basically c£775k per placing.
in an alternate universe west brom v Man U is 5-5
if Man City get a goal in it would be 5 places gained compared to if we lost
However +4 places looks more likely
united have let in 5 goals :O
Lindegaard's in goal and we've been linked with him
5-5 at the Hawthorns...
Quote from: Burt on May 19, 2013, 05:47:33 PM
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on May 19, 2013, 05:43:35 PM
Wonder how many million £ we make from winning this game and finished higher than a lose would provide.
We stood to win a max of c£4m if we won, and all above us lost.
It is basically c£775k per placing.
Thanks :) Hope every £ goes towards replacing players. We need it.
Kacaniklic MotM for me
And we're officially 12th
Quote from: Baider on May 19, 2013, 05:47:18 PM
Was that a goodbye wave from Berbatov as he got subbed off??
Yes, till next season.
urby!
yay 3-0!
3-0
loooooooooooool
And another
What a terrible performance.. I can't take this anymore.
What is Kaca even on the pitch for?
JOL OUT.
Why on earth did we ever drop Kacaniklic from the starting lineup?
Kaca MOTM for me
Happy that Urby got one on what is probably his last performance for us:(
And on the road too...
Who'd have put money on that result?
Fantastic...
12th place, 7 points ahead of Wigan.
Never in doubt :dft011:
city are pathetic
Schwarzer MOTM for me. How many times has this been said.Kaca & Dejadah must start next season.
3-0 wow, Very nice and very weird.
Quote from: CanadianCottager on May 19, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
Why on earth did we ever drop Kacaniklic from the starting lineup?
We are scared to develop our own players.?. Or so it seems give some of them a chance to grow and do not drop them based on a bad preformance.
Typical isn't it. Another awful performancce for most of the match. Giving the ball away and hanging on. But when we did break away we did support the leading player. Plenty to be concerned about this season but at least we have something to be happy with, with this scoreline.
A big Summer coming up.
Quote from: grandad on May 19, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
Schwarzer MOTM for me. How many times has this been said.Kaca & Dejadah must start next season.
Kaca for me, but Mark a close second.
I really liked Frimpong as well until he got hurt.
hangeland motm for me
he was so solid
cant wait for the Amorebieta - Hangeland partnership
Finally something to sing about... Great result, now onto improving the team over the summer and trying to push on and get in the European places!!! I haven't been overly impressed this season but there is promising signs!
Great result
12th is a decent finish
Roll on next season
19 points from 19 away games is a pretty good return for us. It was our home form that has let us down. Our 12th position finish must not cover over the cracks though. There is a lot of work to be done this summer. No time for sentiment. Jol has a problem of what to do with Schwarzer. I would love to keep him but no player should be guaranteed being 1st choice.
Riise, Duff, Hughes, Baird , Richardson, Petric, Senderos & Sidwell are only squad players at best. Davies is, I´m afraid, finished. I don´t know about Diaara. We will have to wait on his fitness.
Not wishing to be controversial but even after a completely unexpected win against a very good side, it is still difficult for some of you to celebrate. From the sound of it, we rode our luck today but we won and once again from the sound of it, our defence played well and we did what Swansea couldn't, we scored some goals. Reason for me to celebrate. Great pity that some of you cannot (or will not) join me
Quote from: Peabody on May 19, 2013, 07:06:03 PM
Not wishing to be controversial but even after a completely unexpected win against a very good side, it is still difficult for some of you to celebrate. From the sound of it, we rode our luck today but we won and once again from the sound of it, our defence played well and we did what Swansea couldn't, we scored some goals. Reason for me to celebrate. Great pity that some of you cannot (or will not) join me
Well said, all I read is how we shouldn't be winning and how we will lose, win is a win!!
We moan when we win
We moan when we win
Fulham fans we moan when we win
Well said Mr Peabody.
There hasn't been too much to cheer about recently, so this is a good way to draw the season to a close.
And despite being a bit average in places, we finished closer to 8 than 18th on points.
Been out playing today. First thing when I got in, I looked at was the score :yay: As mr. Peabody says, rejoice. After such a dismal run to finish 12th is outstanding.
Tough season but at least we finished above the stoke giant thugs.
12th, not too shabby. Work to be done for next season, so lets keep fingers crossed and we can all start moaning again in a few months.
Two minutes before he scored, I was thinking "I want that man out of my team" we scarcely had the ball and when they had possession he just sulked around the pitch. Effectively we were one man down.
Yes he can score goals, but I'm sorry if we are paying someone 100k a week I expect them to make an effort.
Interestingly that is the first time I can recall Jol taking him off just before the end. He gave a wave to the fans. There was no acknowledgement between Berbatov and Jol when he went off..... Was that his last goodbye?
Great player, but I want Fulham to play with more pace as we did when Karagounis and Emanuelson came on and actually ran at Swansea.
On another point. We have been playing badly because we have been lacking confidence. We have been playing the ball backwards too often, and back to schwarzer which means then losing possession which means less confidence etc etc etc.... That confidence is not helped by Berbatov's sulking and moods....
We can't afford both Berbatov and Ruiz in the Same team. At least Ruiz tries!!!!!
Will fans stop moaning about fans who moan. You just bring us all down. Enjoy the win but stop moaning about other fans. It does nothing but divide us when we all can enjoy the win, some of us without thinking it was a wonderful World beating performance.
Quote from: CanadianCottager on May 19, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
Why on earth did we ever drop Kacaniklic from the starting lineup?
Because he was losing confidence .
A couple of poor performances .
An ineffective CM.
And Berba harassing him with every mistake.
A couple of months away probably did him some good .
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 19, 2013, 08:40:36 PM
Will fans stop moaning about fans who moan. You just bring us all down. Enjoy the win but stop moaning about other fans. It does nothing but divide us when we all can enjoy the win, some of us without thinking it was a wonderful World beating performance.
The irony.
They mentioned on SKY that Swansea won only one of their final ten games, I don't know how many they've drawn. If a few of their stars get itchy feet, it could halt their progress, I think Williams will move on soon.
Bit like us then. The Swansea guy i was sat next to leaned over and shock my hand at the end of the match, which i thought was good
Great win and a breath of fresh air after all the negativity. However, this result shouldn't overshadow the need for major reinforcements in the summer.
NIce to get a win, but let's be honest, we we're awful.
Peabody says, "from the sound of it, our defence played well". That may be true, from the sound of it, but watching it, our defence was a shambles. The back four were never moving as a unit and regularly passed the ball to Swansea players. At one point in the second half they had had 11 shots on target to our 2 - and we were 1-0 up at the time. If they'd actually fired at any part of the goal instead of Mark's chest they could easily have been cruising by half time.
The bright spot was Kaka, who looked very good.
Quote from: Berserker on May 19, 2013, 10:46:40 PM
Bit like us then. The Swansea guy i was sat next to leaned over and shock my hand at the end of the match, which i thought was good
I wouldn't have been too pleased if he 'shock' my hand! 064.gif
Quote from: Riverside on May 19, 2013, 10:00:21 PM
Quote from: CanadianCottager on May 19, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
Why on earth did we ever drop Kacaniklic from the starting lineup?
Because he was losing confidence .
A couple of poor performances .
An ineffective CM.
And Berba harassing him with every mistake.
A couple of months away probably did him some good .
I actually get the felling Berbs really likes Kaca, I donno but he seems to have more time for his mistakes than he does for some others like Karagounis.
Quote from: The Bronsons on May 20, 2013, 12:33:35 AM
NIce to get a win, but let's be honest, we we're awful.
Peabody says, "from the sound of it, our defence played well". That may be true, from the sound of it, but watching it, our defence was a shambles. The back four were never moving as a unit and regularly passed the ball to Swansea players. At one point in the second half they had had 11 shots on target to our 2 - and we were 1-0 up at the time. If they'd actually fired at any part of the goal instead of Mark's chest they could easily have been cruising by half time.
The bright spot was Kaka, who looked very good.
they turned us over 2-1 at our place in very similar fashion and this board was full os people moaning that day about how poor we were in front of goal and how much more effective they were in possession. Now we do the same to them and we get people moaning about our performance. We've just beaten a solid mid table prem team 3-0 away from home with some really nice goals as well. Lets just leave it as a nice victory to end the season and not try to put a downer on it please.
This was a match thread and was there for fans to give opinions about the match. The only downer for a depressed fan like me who was happy with the result was the moaning by those who wanted to ignore the performance and moan about other fans.
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 20, 2013, 05:32:18 PM
This was a match thread and was there for fans to give opinions about the match. The only downer for a depressed fan like me who was happy with the result was the moaning by those who wanted to ignore the performance and moan about other fans.
which is exactly what you're doing right now as well. I agree though in earnest that we should all just be proud of a good away win on the weekend not using it as another stick to attempt to batter the team with. There's enough of those from the rest of the season.
so on a brighter note Bryan looked lovely as well on the weekend, some of his work in the build up to the first and second goals was delightful.
So, those of us who want to celebrate a good away win by imploring those who don't want to celebrate, to join us in our celebrations, are missing something, like the performance. Yichang is of course nonsense. Obviously the performance is important, though not as important as the result and maybe, just maybe we don't agree with the total negativity.
