Just 1 year after moaning that he wanted CL. Clint Dempsey Signs for Seattle!! SkySports has just announced it!!
it is pretty crazy that move, would have welcomed him back here but good luck to him I guess
$$$ He can go fish and write some more crap rap songs $$$
Any chance we can sign him in the MLS off season?
I don't believe it. I can only think it is for personal reasons beyond football. If true than I am sorry for our league and sorry for the player who like many before him should have stayed at Fulham. Good luck to him.
amazing U turn. I guess he has his reasons. Good luck to him.
He is a yank trash talking punk who didn't know his own limits. Most American rapper chav type athletes trash talk. McBride was different, special, humble. I'd have Demps back, though he sort of burnt that bridge and I wouldn't want players who don't want to be at the club. Didn't seem like he got on that great with Jol at the end anyway. Maybe he just wants to go home.
Did he at least make it off the bench for a Champions League match?
Maybe the Tottenham supporters were not so nice about his fan boys!!!
This news is amazing, i am so surprised. Such a shame he left us, glad he didn't go to Everton though
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2013, 05:09:52 PM
Any chance we can sign him in the MLS off season?
There are serious rumors that he will be loaned back to a prem club in January.
Not confirmed yet
I would give anything for him to have a good finish to the MLS season, a little break and a loan to Fulham in January to get him ready for the WC. Could put a nice exclamation point on his relationship with the club, and vice versa.
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2013, 05:09:52 PM
Any chance we can sign him in the MLS off season?
I think a loan somewhere in the PL after the MLS season ends is likely this year, he will want to keep fit for the WC.
Well deserved retirement after his prolific spell in the Champions League.
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 03, 2013, 05:10:11 PM
I don't believe it. I can only think it is for personal reasons beyond football. If true than I am sorry for our league and sorry for the player who like many before him should have stayed at Fulham. Good luck to him.
I'm agreeing with you again.
None of this seems to make much sense to me.
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I thought it was funny. Still a big fan of Demps, and would happily have him back, but doesn't mean people can't engage in some light banter; he did move on for Champs League, so explain this transfer??
LOL
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I dont buy this articles view at all, but maybe that is due to the fact that aside from being American, I support Fulham
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Quote from: EJL on August 03, 2013, 05:37:52 PM
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I dont buy this articles view at all, but maybe that is due to the fact that aside from being American, I support Fulham
Spurs have confirmed it on their Twitter..
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I feel Dempsey deserves it to for the way he treated the club and the fans, I would never like to see him back in a Fulham shirt.
I am stunned to be honest, but with the terms coming out, I get it.
Transfer fee the same as last summer roughly, an MLS record.
Huge contract, reported at $30 million over 4 yrs, an MLS record.
Playing in front of $40,000 fans a night in what is widely accepted as the best playing environment in North America in Seattle, part of the Northwest trio of teams.
Secures playing time ahead of the 2014 WC, likely his last.
All in all, seems like a great deal for him, especially if he is ready to leave Europe.
Gonna be really difficult for all the "yank haters" who support the club going forward, considering one of us owns the club now...
I'm stunned this has happened. Seems like Dempsey has given up. What a very strange move
The Sounders are holding a 'special presentation' before their game with Dallas tonight, so I assume that the deal is completely tied up.
So anyone still want to go on about him being world class and good enough for a CL team/top 4 team?
...I cannot unlike Demps after all he did for Fulham, he had heart and gave 100% and scored some great and important goals for us-do we miss him - of course we do. Hated seeing him in a spurs shirt (at least it wasn't a Mickey shirt) so good luck to him...
He did wonders for you. But it was time for him to move on. That said, he was never going to make it at a big club. Sorry Spurs aren't the big club I was referring to, but he didn't have much of a chance there either..
I'll just have a look at the rest of the first page and see if there's a 3rd or 4th thread about this.
I was wrong. Dempsey was lying. It wasn't about the Champions League. It was about money and the greater goal of being a successful USMNT captain. I'm not trying to make him a martyr but realistically his goals of CL have shifted. His wife could have also been tired of living in England. That was a minor tremor.
Quote from: Yellow Jacket on August 03, 2013, 07:32:51 PM
I was wrong. Dempsey was lying. It wasn't about the Champions League. It was about money and the greater goal of being a successful USMNT captain. I'm not trying to make him a martyr but realistically his goals of CL have shifted. His wife could have also been tired of living in England. That was a minor tremor.
Just leave it that he lied. CL football? He's just another potential football great that managed to mess his professional career up, for whatever reasons he might like to spout, I wouldn't believe him if he claimed the sun rises in the east every morning.
Hope it was worth joining spurs Dempsey
.. and as for the USMNT, they did VERY without a hint of him this past Gold Cup. Klinsman has them playing the best I have seen them in many, many years, so very enjoyable to watch. If Demps walks back in, in place of Wondolowski, Shea or Donovan, I will be disappointed.
This is simple to explain - it's all about money. He has effectively been given the boot by spurs & knows he won't make it in to another champions league team. He's just turned 30 but is just about still able to demand a decent transfer fee & salary, which he's taken. Back home as well for his last big deal.
Quote from: Logicalman on August 03, 2013, 07:47:22 PM
.. and as for the USMNT, they did VERY without a hint of him this past Gold Cup. Klinsman has them playing the best I have seen them in many, many years, so very enjoyable to watch. If Demps walks back in, in place of Wondolowski, Shea or Donovan, I will be disappointed.
Uh that's the B team. Not the A team which Dempsey is a huge part of and they are at the top of the group. The Gold Cup is a cakewalk compared to the WCQ campaign. Sure, they did well but don't exaggerate. It's not about Demps walking back in. It's about who from the Gold Cup B squad will join Demps and his A squad. He's the captain for the national team. You know nothing about the USMNT.
Dempsey did lie but I'm not going to judge because if I had the option of a contract which is claimed that he will earn or a Champions League appearance. I know what I would pick. I would take the money and run. At the end of the day, this is all that matters for probably the majority of footballers. You only get one career. Make as much money as you can and sit on that for the rest of your life. Instead of having to work more common day jobs like us.
Spurs wanted him and were willing to keep him around. In fact, Adebayor was more likely to have been given the boot. Dempsey was the 3rd highes goalscorer on the team last year. He has a proven record as a goalscorer. His minutes would have been reduced no doubt but he was still in the plans. However, they as most clubs will always listen to offers and they found a nice deal to get their money back while Clint got moneybags in his eyes. His transfer away was just as his transfer in. Opportunistic.
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Well, this is indeed a coup for MLS. Not because of Dempsey but because of all those who will now follow MLS in order to find negative things about the man so as to start threads about him on FOF.
Good luck to him...
Hopefully he stay healthy playing on that crap turf the Flounders play on... :008:
Quote from: YankeeJim on August 03, 2013, 08:18:00 PM
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Well, this is indeed a coup for MLS. Not because of Dempsey but because of all those who will now follow MLS in order to find negative things about the man so as to start threads about him on FOF.
Just like all those who went to Spurs message boards?
Look at this thread. There are hardly any negative posts and many who say that they would take him back.
What creates long Dempsey threads are inaccurate statements, dubious claims and wumming such as your post having an unfair and unpleasant dig at FoF posters.
Quote from: Logicalman on August 03, 2013, 07:47:22 PM
.. and as for the USMNT, they did VERY without a hint of him this past Gold Cup. Klinsman has them playing the best I have seen them in many, many years, so very enjoyable to watch. If Demps walks back in, in place of Wondolowski, Shea or Donovan, I will be disappointed.
You have a very dry sense of humor sir.
He's a footballer its what he gets paid for,nearing the latter stages of his career I can understand the move considering the contract on offer,he got where he is with a lot of hard graft,fair play.In his early days with us he was not even a starter but again he did the hard shift and became a fans favourite,big shame the way it ended,could have stayed with us for 1yr more gone back to the States and would have gone down in FFC folkelore, I'm just grateful he wont be popping up and scoring a winner against us at the cottage,so long Deuce
Quote from: alexbishop on August 03, 2013, 05:07:19 PM
it is pretty crazy that move, would have welcomed him back here but good luck to him I guess
In many ways, it makes sense. MLS lost its major star when Becks retired, and Demps is one of the most recognizable stars in American football today. Brian McBride added at least four more years to his career moving back to MLS. Demps was never going to be anything but just another number at Spurs or the other "Big Clubs", moving back to us would have been seen as trying to erase a mistake (which it would have been), and the other EPL clubs where he WOULD have been a star wouldn't have had the kind of "spotlight effect" Demps wants. Going to a lower league helped Jozy Altidore become a star, and Donovan's success at LA Galaxy has made him a hot property in Europe again -- Everton would have signed him permanently if they'd had the funds, and it would have been a great marriage IMHO.
I was surprised when I heard it was Sounders, but it all came clear with some thought: LA Galaxy wouldn't have worked because he'd have been in Beckham's shadow; Red Bull NY already has its star in Henry, even though he's fading; and while Houston Dynamo or FC Dallas would have made more sense because Demps is a Texan, but Dallas is on the down and Dominic Kinnear is very big on the "No Stars" philosophy. (Hey, for him it works!) Sounders is the gold standard as far as MLS goes -- best manager, most consistent performance on the pitch, most money from an ownership standpoint, most insane fans by volume (if only because you can get more people into their ground than Portland can into their little bandbox), and they play truly entertaining football. Put Demps on the same line with Obafemi Martins and it'll be explosive.
It's a good move for him and a great move for MLS, who are usually
losing American stars. If Sounders plays Red Bull or NE Revolution, I'm going!
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Quote from: Logicalman on August 03, 2013, 07:47:22 PM
.. and as for the USMNT, they did VERY without a hint of him this past Gold Cup. Klinsman has them playing the best I have seen them in many, many years, so very enjoyable to watch. If Demps walks back in, in place of Wondolowski, Shea or Donovan, I will be disappointed.
You have a very dry sense of humor sir.
Yeah, and don't we all know it - must be something with me moving south!! LOL
Like many other young supporters on here, Clint Dempsey was somewhat of a Fulham hero for me during his stay at the club.
His contribution in the 2011/2012 campaign was nothing short of sensational, and he was truly at the peak of his career. I had no problem with Clint wanting to leave, none at all, after all he was destined for bigger things. However the manner in which he left stills angers me to this day. I know that the majority of footballers are only driven by money, but I honestly thought that Clint was better than that. He showed absolutely no class whatsoever in leaving the club that had 'made him', which was even further highlighted through Dembele's departure where he left in the right way.
To be fair, Dempsey wasn't bad in his season at Spurs, but he was never going to be first choice for long. I wish him the best in his venture at the Sounders, but can't help but think that he regrets leaving the Cottage in the first place.
In my opinion he could have stayed in the Premier League (or indeed at Fulham) until he was 33 or 34 - for a player like Dempsey to be heading back to the MLS at age 30 is (with all due respect) a tremendous waste of his autumn years.
Still, he gave his Champions' League dream a shot and it didn't work out. We can't slate him too much for that. No doubt he will be paid an absolute fortune and will do well both domestically in America and on the international front, so good luck to him I guess.
Still vaguely shocking to see the absolute highlight of our 2011/12 season - and at one point the hottest property in the Premier League - shipped off to a fairly mediocre Western Conference side less than twelve months on.
Its seems a strange move as has been said.
I'm guessing his time at Tottenham was not to his liking and he realized he wasn't going to Chelsea, Man City, United, or Arsenal so why not go home and make some dough and be a star in the MLS. Not a bad move if you realize you reached your limit in the Prem and you want to play every match. Too bad the bridge was burned with us.
C'est la vie.
The thing that pisses me off the most is that this is another good Fulham career wasted by spoilt Spurs. They snatch at everything going and then drop it when they get bored - similar to Steed who left us at his peak for a pittance, made a few ripples at Spurs and then ended up at Sunderland. Davies was not dissimilar although he was unlucky with injuries.
It makes me sick to think that if they had not come in for him (Dempsey) he could have potentially sulked it out for a few matches in the reserves before fighting his way back into the first team and seeing out the rest of his career with us.
On the other hand we did get Berbatov though and I think Spurs would have sold their proverbial mother to have snatched at that opportunity.
I can see what you're saying there JimPav, it does anger me also, though I firmly believe that the player is the ultimate buck stop (notwithstanding some are a little too influenced by their agents - though Demps was a little too long in the tooth for that explanation), and so his leaving was his own choice (unless he has something drawing him to the NW - his wife hails from NC though)
He made a bad decision, but he also must have known if he swallowed his pride and approached MJ, the chances are he would be back at the Cottage in a flash.
Therefore, it was his own choice to return stateside, and however much money they pay him, I still don't believe it will satisfy his hunger for the game, because, and without pushing any points, buttons or noses out of joint, the quality of play in the MLS is somewhat quite south of that he has become used to in the last 6 years.
Knowing where he comes from though, it still beggers belief that he would make that choice.
Agree with your statement Jimpav "another good Fulham career wasted by spoilt Spurs. They snatch at everything going and then drop it when they get bored".
But Clint has to take a large share of the blame too. He was bored with us, bored with not playing at "a higher level", wanted to go to Liverpool. Spurs actually gave him a face-saving move when his Liverpool dream fell through.
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Well, this is indeed a coup for MLS. Not because of Dempsey but because of all those who will now follow MLS in order to find negative things about the man so as to start threads about him on FOF.
Just like all those who went to Spurs message boards?
Look at this thread. There are hardly any negative posts and many who say that they would take him back.
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I can always count on you. Are you the pot or the kettle?
From an earlier thread on the much-loved Dempsey's divine right to Championship footie and the ludicrous idea of him being sounded by Seattle.
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Quote from: HatterDon on August 01, 2013, 11:29:34 PM
What a load of rubbish. You guys take my breath away with your gullibility.
Dempsey was Spurs second most effective attacker last season -- behind only Bale is goals per minute played and assists per minute played. So far this off-season, according to what I've seen on this site, Tottenham is shipping out Bale, Adebayor, and Defoe, and now Dempsey. Who will they start up front? Jimmy Greaves?
You 13 year olds might want to ask your grandfather who Greaves is.
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As much as my heart greaves for the demps dumpster trawlers, I did get a good laugh out of this. Now, I wonder how does a senior senor know-it-all apologise to an ignorant bunch of pimply callow youths who have peed on his back and told him it's raining? Or does he close his eyes madman shut, put one hand over his ears whilst his other cups his prostate all the time muttering "not happening, not happening, bastrards, bastrards, I hate them all!"
Nogood "coming out of retirement for this one, isit" Boyo
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on August 04, 2013, 04:05:28 AM
From an earlier thread on the much-loved Dempsey's divine right to Championship footie and the ludicrous idea of him being sounded by Seattle.
"Quote from: HatterDon on August 01, 2013, 11:29:34 PM
What a load of rubbish. You guys take my breath away with your gullibility.
Dempsey was Spurs second most effective attacker last season -- behind only Bale is goals per minute played and assists per minute played. So far this off-season, according to what I've seen on this site, Tottenham is shipping out Bale, Adebayor, and Defoe, and now Dempsey. Who will they start up front? Jimmy Greaves?
You 13 year olds might want to ask your grandfather who Greaves is.
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As much as my heart greaves for the demps dumpster trawlers, I did get a good laugh out of this. Now, I wonder how does a senior senor know-it-all apologise to an ignorant bunch of pimply callow youths who have peed on his back and told him it's raining? Or does he close his eyes madman shut, put one hand over his ears whilst his other cups his prostate all the time muttering "not happening, not happening, bastrards, bastrards, I hate them all!"
Nogood "coming out of retirement for this one, isit" Boyo
Boyo, don't ever retire. But to the point, how about this:
I was wrong I'm still stunned about it, but Demps really did get his long awaited long-term contract back in this hemisphere.
I don't hate anybody, although I am wondering if Greavesey will be called upon to rescue Spuds.
So, pimply-faced gullible rude teenyboppers, I was wrong -- for the 859th time in the month of August 2013. How do I know the number? Simple; I'm married.
HD,
ha ha, classic.
Now you ARE showing your age mentioning young Jimmy on these hallowed pages. I was still a whipper-snapper in his glory days with the spuds, and I do recall him more for his post-playing career, where I would expect the vast majority (who actually know who he is) would be the same - or am I just a spring chicken in the presence of old cocks on here?
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Quote from: NogoodBoyo on August 04, 2013, 04:05:28 AM
From an earlier thread on the much-loved Dempsey's divine right to Championship footie and the ludicrous idea of him being sounded by Seattle.
"Quote from: HatterDon on August 01, 2013, 11:29:34 PM
What a load of rubbish. You guys take my breath away with your gullibility.
Dempsey was Spurs second most effective attacker last season -- behind only Bale is goals per minute played and assists per minute played. So far this off-season, according to what I've seen on this site, Tottenham is shipping out Bale, Adebayor, and Defoe, and now Dempsey. Who will they start up front? Jimmy Greaves?
You 13 year olds might want to ask your grandfather who Greaves is.
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HD's larger point was apparently lost on all of you. So let me repeat it for him, and for the rest of you. He wrote, Dempsey was Spurs' second most effective attacker last season, behind only Bale in goals per minute played and assists per minute played. That's a staggering statistic which in your blind hate you fail to give its fair weight, choosing instead to deride HD for suggesting there is nothing to the then-rumour of Demps going to a U.S. team. And who could blame HD for thinking as much? After all, he wasn't shipped out as a bargain bin cast off. He took the biggest pay day in MSL history. Period. The biggest pay day ever. I'll say it again for the dyslexic among you: More money as a player than Beckham got. How much? $32 Million reported over 4 years, with Spurs getting 95% of what they paid for him back in transfer fees. And not just any MLS team or just any manager. But, rather, the Seattle Sounders and Schmidt (sp?). Take a trip to Seattle and catch a Sounders game. Stay a few days and visit the northwest coastal area. It is beautiful. The climate mild. The people incredibly friendly and interesting. There isn't any place like it in America. Seattle is--different. And in a good way. The fans are out of their minds rabid. They LOVE their team. It's a riotous explosion of fandom. And they are creative in their fan ways. Something of a wonder to behold. Speak up, American FFC fans! Explain what I'm trying to communicate here! He took the money. It was silly huge money. Gagoogobs of money. Money to set him, his children, and their children up for life forever. What would you have done?
Dempsey got to trend on Twatter for the last 48 hours ................... how very cool is that ??
My brother lives near Ballard and hopefully I will get to see our
EX-PLAYER live (alive) sometime soon.
The very best of luck Clint, the boy from Nacogdoches did good ... the fishin real good toooooooo...........innit !!!
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Quote from: WolverineFFC on August 03, 2013, 06:01:12 PM
Gonna be really difficult for all the "yank haters" who support the club going forward, considering one of us owns the club now...
Everyone has ignored your idiotic, paranoid statement but I'm not.
People on this board are generally decent people and certainly don't 'hate yanks'. What they do hate is stupid statements from yanks, such as yours, so providing our new owner Mr Kahn doesn't come out with such bollox he'll be we'll received.
Those of us that have no time for Dempsey dislike (not hate) him for a reason. That being his attitude at trying to get out of the club that stood by his falling over and lack of end product / silly tricks to eventually make him a decent player. We DO NOT dislike him because he is a 'yank'. Find me one FOF member that dislikes Brian McBride!!
I understand Americans supporting fellow countrymen playing overseas as we English would also do the same but Dempseys actions were pathetic so there comes a time when 'national support' should be over shadowed by morals.
On Dempsey, it seems a strange move to me. Maybe, as stated he wanted to move his family back home?
Personally I never thought he was a 'champions league' player and whilst he saved us many times through his Fulham career I think he only had one true great season with us. For his service to us I personally could understand his wish to have a crack at CL football and wished him well with it. But then he joined Spurs with his bottom lip dragging on the floor so good riddance.
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Well, this is indeed a coup for MLS. Not because of Dempsey but because of all those who will now follow MLS in order to find negative things about the man so as to start threads about him on FOF.
Just like all those who went to Spurs message boards?
Look at this thread. There are hardly any negative posts and many who say that they would take him back.
:kettle pot:
What creates long Dempsey threads are inaccurate statements, dubious claims and wumming such aI canyour post having an unfair and unpleasant dig at FoF posters.
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I can always count on you. Are you the pot or the kettle?
As usual, typically of Dempsey fan-boys, you don't address the points made but just respond with abuse.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on August 04, 2013, 06:56:03 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on August 04, 2013, 04:51:17 AM
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on August 04, 2013, 04:05:28 AM
From an earlier thread on the much-loved Dempsey's divine right to Championship footie and the ludicrous idea of him being sounded by Seattle.
"Quote from: HatterDon on August 01, 2013, 11:29:34 PM
What a load of rubbish. You guys take my breath away with your gullibility.
Dempsey was Spurs second most effective attacker last season -- behind only Bale is goals per minute played and assists per minute played. So far this off-season, according to what I've seen on this site, Tottenham is shipping out Bale, Adebayor, and Defoe, and now Dempsey. Who will they start up front? Jimmy Greaves?
You 13 year olds might want to ask your grandfather who Greaves is.
"
HD's larger point was apparently lost on all of you. So let me repeat it for him, and for the rest of you. He wrote, Dempsey was Spurs' second most effective attacker last season, behind only Bale in goals per minute played and assists per minute played. That's a staggering statistic which in your blind hate you fail to give its fair weight, choosing instead to deride HD for suggesting there is nothing to the then-rumour of Demps going to a U.S. team. And who could blame HD for thinking as much? After all, he wasn't shipped out as a bargain bin cast off. He took the biggest pay day in MSL history. Period. The biggest pay day ever. I'll say it again for the dyslexic among you: More money as a player than Beckham got. How much? $32 Million reported over 4 years, with Spurs getting 95% of what they paid for him back in transfer fees. And not just any MLS team or just any manager. But, rather, the Seattle Sounders and Schmidt (sp?). Take a trip to Seattle and catch a Sounders game. Stay a few days and visit the northwest coastal area. It is beautiful. The climate mild. The people incredibly friendly and interesting. There isn't any place like it in America. Seattle is--different. And in a good way. The fans are out of their minds rabid. They LOVE their team. It's a riotous explosion of fandom. And they are creative in their fan ways. Something of a wonder to behold. Speak up, American FFC fans! Explain what I'm trying to communicate here! He took the money. It was silly huge money. Gagoogobs of money. Money to set him, his children, and their children up for life forever. What would you have done?
"Blind hate"? It seems rather that the anger and aggression comes from you.
"Spurs' second most effective attacker"? A quite interesting but hardly a
staggering statistic. The key statistic is that Spurs have let Dempsey go.
"More money as a player than Beckham got"? I would have thought that you would want to make points about his football.
It is perfectly reasonable that Dempsey chooses to move to a beautiful part of America, to a club with enthusiastic fans that will welcome one of their country's top international players for a lucrative contract.
But why should any of this be of particular interest to FFC fans beyond mild amusement at yet more angst and hype from the Dempsey fan boys?
I think Dempsey remains of interest to us as he was the longest serving player we had when he left. He has been a major part of our recent history. His perceived failure to find a better place to play is a shame both for Fulham and for him. Like Jol he commands views of extreme prejudice. So we will continue to debate and to follow with interest his remaining years in the game with a pang of regret for us all.
It remains a mystery why a player who had it all then decided to gamble on leaving Fulham for one season of mild success but not appreciation. What his plans are now seem to be comfort led. That is fine but a shame.
Just stated on Talk Sport that 'Fulham thought they were getting Dempsey back for 3 1/2 million, but then the Seattle Sounders deal came in'............................!!!?
Will be a while until we see a midfielder score 23 goals in a season for us again. Dempsey was a great player for us, wasn't the most talented footballer but played with a lot of heart and desire. Watching him evolve as player was great to watch. Don't blaming for him taking ridiculous money to return to his home country. Although the MLS isn't the best league, its better than going to the Middle East or China like we've seen some players do. Wish him all the best.
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I dont buy this articles view at all, but maybe that is due to the fact that aside from being American, I support Fulham
Thanks for posting this. I was unaware of how good the money was and also how big the Seattle crowds are.
It makes a case for Dempsey being unwilling to slip down the pecking order at Spurs and unable to land a place with a Champions League club and a regular first team spot. Plus he has childrens education to consider, so that may play a part.
Good luck to him. I enjoyed watching him over the years. He was a great asset to Fulham and I do not begrudge him moving on even if his departure ruffled feathers. Blame Liverpool for unsettling him. Where are they when he wants to leave Spurs?
Leon, it was sarcastic, that is why most have ignored it. Hence the (...). I know that the vast majority of those on the site and in England enjoy the support of people from all over the world, not just the U.S. I was merely poking at those who don't.
As for "idiotic", I will try to not take it too personally. But that is pretty inflammatory language to throw around in the attempt to assuage the belief that there is not a general contempt for Americans by some on the board. Otherwise, why does Dempsey keep coming up. Oh right, but we loved McBride. Reminds me of an American form of racism where folks claim they couldn't be racist because my co-worker friend John is black.
You likely missed the beginning of the thread, which had gotten pretty anti-Dempsey, anti-american. The terms "trash" and "yank", were thrown around and the rhetoric was getting pretty harsh. I am not sure how Dempsey is any different than Bale, or Rooney, or Milner, or Downing, or more close to home Zamora and Bullard. We don't have bi-weekly name calling threads about them anymore. Why still Dempsey?
I hate getting into ranting fights about anything on boards, hopefully Clint going back to the U.S. will end them regarding his departure. I for one, will most certainly be watching more MLS now that he is in Seattle.
And if you made it to the end of this essay... 049:gif
Quote from: leonffc on August 04, 2013, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on August 03, 2013, 06:01:12 PM
Gonna be really difficult for all the "yank haters" who support the club going forward, considering one of us owns the club now...
Everyone has ignored your idiotic, paranoid statement but I'm not.
People on this board are generally decent people and certainly don't 'hate yanks'. What they do hate is stupid statements from yanks, such as yours, so providing our new owner Mr Kahn doesn't come out with such bollox he'll be we'll received.
Those of us that have no time for Dempsey dislike (not hate) him for a reason. That being his attitude at trying to get out of the club that stood by his falling over and lack of end product / silly tricks to eventually make him a decent player. We DO NOT dislike him because he is a 'yank'. Find me one FOF member that dislikes Brian McBride!!
I understand Americans supporting fellow countrymen playing overseas as we English would also do the same but Dempseys actions were pathetic so there comes a time when 'national support' should be over shadowed by morals.
On Dempsey, it seems a strange move to me. Maybe, as stated he wanted to move his family back home?
Personally I never thought he was a 'champions league' player and whilst he saved us many times through his Fulham career I think he only had one true great season with us. For his service to us I personally could understand his wish to have a crack at CL football and wished him well with it. But then he joined Spurs with his bottom lip dragging on the floor so good riddance.
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 04, 2013, 12:49:51 PM
I think Dempsey remains of interest to us as he was the longest serving player we had when he left. He has been a major part of our recent history. His perceived failure to find a better place to play is a shame both for Fulham and for him. Like Jol he commands views of extreme prejudice. So we will continue to debate and to follow with interest his remaining years in the game with a pang of regret for us all.
It remains a mystery why a player who had it all then decided to gamble on leaving Fulham for one season of mild success but not appreciation. What his plans are now seem to be comfort led. That is fine but a shame.
Why? In what way does his career after Fulham reflect in any significant way, let alone shame, on Fulham?
Wolverine, Thanks for the informative post,
I guess we like to think that here on FoF there is no anti-yank, anti-anything, but being an open forum where the only requirements are that we all follow a football team, we have all walks of life here.
Having said that though, there are some members here that promote such dislike towards their own countrymen with derogatory comments concerning the fight for independence, and 'best-at-everything' jibes. This is why you will find that FoF is one of the first MBs to select US members to join the Mods ranks, and those members are often challenged when they get going.
FoF has proved itself to be a place where people can express their views without being subject to name calling and racial or national abuse, and we are proud of that, so please believe that we do what we can to stamp it out, but it often takes two sides to start - and stop - such behavior.
Quote from: Logicalman on August 04, 2013, 02:07:06 PM
Wolverine, Thanks for the informative post,
I guess we like to think that here on FoF there is no anti-yank, anti-anything, but being an open forum where the only requirements are that we all follow a football team, we have all walks of life here.
Having said that though, there are some members here that promote such dislike towards their own countrymen with derogatory comments concerning the fight for independence, and 'best-at-everything' jibes. This is why you will find that FoF is one of the first MBs to select US members to join the Mods ranks, and those members are often challenged when they get going.
FoF has proved itself to be a place where people can express their views without being subject to name calling and racial or national abuse, and we are proud of that, so please believe that we do what we can to stamp it out, but it often takes two sides to start - and stop - such behavior.
I think many of us are antediluvian, so we have that going for us which is nice.
Quote from: HatterDon on August 04, 2013, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on August 04, 2013, 02:07:06 PM
Wolverine, Thanks for the informative post,
I guess we like to think that here on FoF there is no anti-yank, anti-anything, but being an open forum where the only requirements are that we all follow a football team, we have all walks of life here.
Having said that though, there are some members here that promote such dislike towards their own countrymen with derogatory comments concerning the fight for independence, and 'best-at-everything' jibes. This is why you will find that FoF is one of the first MBs to select US members to join the Mods ranks, and those members are often challenged when they get going.
FoF has proved itself to be a place where people can express their views without being subject to name calling and racial or national abuse, and we are proud of that, so please believe that we do what we can to stamp it out, but it often takes two sides to start - and stop - such behavior.
I think many of us are antediluvian, so we have that going for us which is nice.
Hmm, speak for yourself, I had the shots !! 092.gif I think
Thanks LM.
As we are already seeing on the board, with Mr. Kahn as the new owner, there are going to be more and more Americans looking in on the club. With zero MLS clubs in the south in the U.S., I am sure Mr. Kahn is going to be promoting FFC/Jags together throughout the Georgia, Alabama, northern Florida areas trying to bring in new fans through friendlies, etc. Just like those in London are going to start seeing a lot more of the Jags and their hideous teal jerseys...
My poke was more about that, vs the idea that "haha we own your club now" jibe... but with the internet I get how people can interpret things differently.
I had to look up antediluvian, but I think I have that too HD.
Quote from: Logicalman on August 04, 2013, 02:07:06 PM
Wolverine, Thanks for the informative post,
I guess we like to think that here on FoF there is no anti-yank, anti-anything, but being an open forum where the only requirements are that we all follow a football team, we have all walks of life here.
Having said that though, there are some members here that promote such dislike towards their own countrymen with derogatory comments concerning the fight for independence, and 'best-at-everything' jibes. This is why you will find that FoF is one of the first MBs to select US members to join the Mods ranks, and those members are often challenged when they get going.
FoF has proved itself to be a place where people can express their views without being subject to name calling and racial or national abuse, and we are proud of that, so please believe that we do what we can to stamp it out, but it often takes two sides to start - and stop - such behavior.
Well said, Wolverine. It amazes me how the Dempsey haters continue to maintain Clint isn't good enough to play in the Champions League. The EPL player voted fourth best player in the league. But still somehow not good enough. He goes to Spurs on, what, September 1, with no time to get fully integrated, comfortable, and 'known' on that team with his teammates, yet still ends up the second most productive player on that team in a per-minutes-played analysis. His team's chances of making CL are still alive on the very last day of the season. Adebayor had a bust year. Defoe got injured. He did his part to get them to CL. And considering the timing of his arrival, and what he DID accomplish, that he can be ridiculed as 1. not good enough for CL or 2. didn't perform well for Spurs, is simply bitterness by those that feel he jilted them. Now we have a Rohrshach test, an inkblot to be interpreted by those that dislike him and those that don't. Was the move to Seattle for mega bucks a concession by Clint that he was never going to get to CL, was never 'good enough'? Or was it that he had achieved iconic status in the States, was perceived as worthy of bank breaking money (in MLS scale terms), would serve as a focal point to draw more viewers and fans to the game, especially given the new big TV rights coverage contract awarded to NBC? We'll never know. The all time top scorer for Fulham. Still villified. Whatever. Let's agree to disagree and move on.
Why because someone feels Dempsey was not good enough for CL team hes(I'm) called a hater?
Yes I would take the piss out of him falling over, shooting from the edge of our box or even thou I came up with the DDL saying, while he played for us I supported him.
The way he engineered his move was out of order and hence his status as a 'legend' is not worthy.
I have never been a Dempsey hater or a Yank hater, so get the chip off YOUR shoulder just because everyone doesn't agree with you does not mean they are haters.
And speaking of endless threads about ex players, did anyone read the profile of Erik the Viking over on Friends of Fulham Facebook?
Why is there such an interest in this Spurs player? Get over him guys fp.gif
Quote from: JBH on August 04, 2013, 04:14:18 PM
Why is there such an interest in this Spurs player? Get over him guys fp.gif
Boredom.
No meaningful transfers for over a month and the Darren Bent foreplay has gotten tired too... We need matches ASAP.
Quote from: WolverineFFC on August 04, 2013, 02:59:07 PM
Thanks LM.
As we are already seeing on the board, with Mr. Kahn as the new owner, there are going to be more and more Americans looking in on the club. With zero MLS clubs in the south in the U.S., I am sure Mr. Kahn is going to be promoting FFC/Jags together throughout the Georgia, Alabama, northern Florida areas trying to bring in new fans through friendlies, etc. Just like those in London are going to start seeing a lot more of the Jags and their hideous teal jerseys...
I know where you're coming from on that point, having recently moved down to the deep south, (well MS is deep enough for me), soccer is like a foreign word in some quarters, though I have not found a more acceptable population of people in my time here either - Southern hospitality is alive and well.
So Clint is good enough for a top 4 team (champions league)? Nope, afraid not, maybe he should have took up the German team offers back in the day. no. He isn't a top 4 EPL player but a fringe player. Still enjoying this pie! Yum!
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 04, 2013, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 04, 2013, 12:49:51 PM
I think Dempsey remains of interest to us as he was the longest serving player we had when he left. He has been a major part of our recent history. His perceived failure to find a better place to play is a shame both for Fulham and for him. Like Jol he commands views of extreme prejudice. So we will continue to debate and to follow with interest his remaining years in the game with a pang of regret for us all.
It remains a mystery why a player who had it all then decided to gamble on leaving Fulham for one season of mild success but not appreciation. What his plans are now seem to be comfort led. That is fine but a shame.
Why? In what way does his career after Fulham reflect in any significant way, let alone shame, on Fulham?
It is a shame for Fulham because had he stayed he would have remained an important part in our side. The fact he left and did not find the success he was seeking is a shame for us as we could well have done with a player of his class last season as we were IMO dull, poor and boring. Both he and we lost out.
Quote from: JBH on August 04, 2013, 04:14:18 PM
Why is there such an interest in this Spurs player? Get over him guys fp.gif
It seems like the biggest interest is in having the last word on the issue. I am fully behind the "Get Over It" campaign.
:plus one:
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 04, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 04, 2013, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 04, 2013, 12:49:51 PM
I think Dempsey remains of interest to us as he was the longest serving player we had when he left. He has been a major part of our recent history. His perceived failure to find a better place to play is a shame both for Fulham and for him. Like Jol he commands views of extreme prejudice. So we will continue to debate and to follow with interest his remaining years in the game with a pang of regret for us all.
It remains a mystery why a player who had it all then decided to gamble on leaving Fulham for one season of mild success but not appreciation. What his plans are now seem to be comfort led. That is fine but a shame.
Why? In what way does his career after Fulham reflect in any significant way, let alone shame, on Fulham?
It is a shame for Fulham because had he stayed he would have remained an important part in our side. The fact he left and did not find the success he was seeking is a shame for us as we could well have done with a player of his class last season as we were IMO dull, poor and boring. Both he and we lost out.
:plus one:
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 04, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 04, 2013, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 04, 2013, 12:49:51 PM
I think Dempsey remains of interest to us as he was the longest serving player we had when he left. He has been a major part of our recent history. His perceived failure to find a better place to play is a shame both for Fulham and for him. Like Jol he commands views of extreme prejudice. So we will continue to debate and to follow with interest his remaining years in the game with a pang of regret for us all.
It remains a mystery why a player who had it all then decided to gamble on leaving Fulham for one season of mild success but not appreciation. What his plans are now seem to be comfort led. That is fine but a shame.
Why? In what way does his career after Fulham reflect in any significant way, let alone shame, on Fulham?
It is a shame for Fulham because had he stayed he would have remained an important part in our side. The fact he left and did not find the success he was seeking is a shame for us as we could well have done with a player of his class last season as we were IMO dull, poor and boring. Both he and we lost out.
It was the "His perceived failure to find a better place to play" and why this was a shame for Fulham that I found confusing.
Quote from: HatterDon on August 04, 2013, 04:51:17 AM
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on August 04, 2013, 04:05:28 AM
From an earlier thread on the much-loved Dempsey's divine right to Championship footie and the ludicrous idea of him being sounded by Seattle.
"Quote from: HatterDon on August 01, 2013, 11:29:34 PM
What a load of rubbish. You guys take my breath away with your gullibility.
Dempsey was Spurs second most effective attacker last season -- behind only Bale is goals per minute played and assists per minute played. So far this off-season, according to what I've seen on this site, Tottenham is shipping out Bale, Adebayor, and Defoe, and now Dempsey. Who will they start up front? Jimmy Greaves?
You 13 year olds might want to ask your grandfather who Greaves is.
"
As much as my heart greaves for the demps dumpster trawlers, I did get a good laugh out of this. Now, I wonder how does a senior senor know-it-all apologise to an ignorant bunch of pimply callow youths who have peed on his back and told him it's raining? Or does he close his eyes madman shut, put one hand over his ears whilst his other cups his prostate all the time muttering "not happening, not happening, bastrards, bastrards, I hate them all!"
Nogood "coming out of retirement for this one, isit" Boyo
Boyo, don't ever retire. But to the point, how about this:
I was wrong I'm still stunned about it, but Demps really did get his long awaited long-term contract back in this hemisphere.
I don't hate anybody, although I am wondering if Greavesey will be called upon to rescue Spuds.
So, pimply-faced gullible rude teenyboppers, I was wrong -- for the 859th time in the month of August 2013. How do I know the number? Simple; I'm married.
Sometimes something very rare pops up on FOF. A genuine (and funny) apology for a strident position proven wrong by the FACTS.
I doff my Harris Tweed cap to the Hatter Don and thank him for sticking with Fulham through thick and thin when he must have been sorely tempted to go back to Luton after all the abuse dished to our supportive cousins.
I guess he is made of sterner stuff than many.
Nogood "my opinion that is, not a FACT in sight, isit" Boyo
Quote from: Putney on August 03, 2013, 05:48:55 PM
Well deserved retirement after his prolific spell in the Champions League.
:clap_hands:
Quote from: MJG on August 03, 2013, 06:07:07 PM
So anyone still want to go on about him being world class and good enough for a CL team/top 4 team?
I wouldn't label your posts as "blind hatred", MJG. Snarky and derisive, yes. Hate-filled, no. In any event, I wasn't referring to any poster in particular. And I retract my use of that overheated expression. It was uncalled for. My apologies to anyone who thought I was referring to a particular poster. Equally snarky and petty are statements like Danitar's: "Hope it was worth joining spurs Dempsey [sic]." Answer: Obviously it was. Huge payday. It isn't that he's an American. It's that as a Fulham player of five years, having accomplished much, and at all times acting in a professional and proper manner, he is slagged off, dismissed, ridiculed, lambasted, and diminished--for assertions much in dispute. There are the posters who claim he wasn't all that talented, not CL level, etc., but that he worked hard. Andy Johnson worked hard. Duff works hard. Rodellaga works hard. I could go on and on. But only one of them was effective. I call that more than just working hard. I call that true talent. So we'll all just agree to disagree and move on.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on August 04, 2013, 07:37:08 PMQuote from: MJG on August 03, 2013, 06:07:07 PMSo anyone still want to go on about him being world class and good enough for a CL team/top 4 team?
I wouldn't label your posts as "blind hatred", MJG. Snarky and derisive, yes. Hate-filled, no. In any event, I wasn't referring to any poster in particular. And I retract my use of that overheated expression. It was uncalled for. My apologies to anyone who thought I was referring to a particular poster. Equally snarky and petty are statements like Danitar's: "Hope it was worth joining spurs Dempsey [sic]." Answer: Obviously it was. Huge payday. It isn't that he's an American. It's that as a Fulham player of five years, having accomplished much, and at all times acting in a professional and proper manner, he is slagged off, dismissed, ridiculed, lambasted, and diminished--for assertions much in dispute. There are the posters who claim he wasn't all that talented, not CL level, etc., but that he worked hard. Andy Johnson worked hard. Duff works hard. Rodellaga works hard. I could go on and on. But only one of them was effective. I call that more than just working hard. I call that true talent. So we'll all just agree to disagree and move on.
If not a poke ay MJG I guess that's a dig at me then (although i do acknowledge that you say its nothing personal) seeing as I said that I 'personally' didn't think he was a champions lg player? I did state it was my own personal opinion and I do believe that whilst he was our saviour over the seasons he wasn't always as technically good as some would like us to believe. Obviously every punter has their favourite players for what ever reason as we all see the game through different eyes. As a coach I saw failings in his game that didn't warrant his hero status. Other 'coaches' / fans in the stands saw positives in his game that did and that is football. That is life. It's all about opinions!!
I can't see how I'm a hater though when I've always said that I wished him well in his Champions lg quest as I thought he deserved a shot at his dream. A footballer has to aspire to get to the highest level he can, he served us well, good luck. But then he joined Spurs!!
What you have said though is that it was worth Dempsey joining Spurs because he got a huge pay day. Thanks for that because that's what many Fulham fans believed. It wasn't really about Champions league football, it was the money!!
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 04, 2013, 11:03:50 AM
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Well, this is indeed a coup for MLS. Not because of Dempsey but because of all those who will now follow MLS in order to find negative things about the man so as to start threads about him on FOF.
Just like all those who went to Spurs message boards?
Look at this thread. There are hardly any negative posts and many who say that they would take him back.
:kettle pot:
What creates long Dempsey threads are inaccurate statements, dubious claims and wumming such aI canyour post having an unfair and unpleasant dig at FoF posters.
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I can always count on you. Are you the pot or the kettle?
As usual, typically of Dempsey fan-boys, you don't address the points made but just respond with abuse.
Well then, make an original point. It would be a first. BTW, opinions are not points or facts. Every Dempsey threas has your name all over it andall you do is stress your dissatficaton as to how he left. Newsflash! We all are. Enlighten meas' to how your dissatifacrion is superior to anyone else's. None of us knowwhat transpired between he and Jol. The fact that as Demps said, the truth will come out. Well, it hasn't. If Demps had something to say
e would have said it by now. It would seem that your rush to judgement may, may have been right. However, it was and is a rush to judgement and the last year you have spent on ît has bèen based on that,
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Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 04, 2013, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: YankeeJim on August 04, 2013, 01:35:22 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 03, 2013, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: YankeeJim on August 03, 2013, 08:18:00 PM
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Well, this is indeed a coup for MLS. Not because of Dempsey but because of all those who will now follow MLS in order to find negative things about the man so as to start threads about him on FOF.
Just like all those who went to Spurs message boards?
Look at this thread. There are hardly any negative posts and many who say that they would take him back.
:kettle pot:
What creates long Dempsey threads are inaccurate statements, dubious claims and wumming such aI canyour post having an unfair and unpleasant dig at FoF posters.
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I can always count on you. Are you the pot or the kettle?
As usual, typically of Dempsey fan-boys, you don't address the points made but just respond with abuse.
Well then, make an original point. It would be a first. BTW, opinions are not points or facts. Every Dempsey threas has your name all over it andall you do is stress your dissatficaton as to how he left. Newsflash! We all are. Enlighten meas' to how your dissatifacrion is superior to anyone else's. None of us knowwhat transpired between he and Jol. The fact that as Demps said, the truth will come out. Well, it hasn't. If Demps had something to say
e would have said it by now. It would seem that your rush to judgement may, may have been right. However, it was and is a rush to judgement and the last year you have spent on ît has bèen based on that,
None of us know fully what was behind Dempsey's departure from Fulham. It is your speculative assumption that something transpired between Dempsey and Jol. Most of us have preferred to stick with what has been known publicly.
Contrary to what you say it is those who said that there was more behind the story who rushed to judgement. Those who based their view on the known facts were being cautious.
My comments in these threads are primarily aimed at the speculation such as your suggestion that something transpired between Dempsey and Jol, and inaccuracies. Those posts showed a desperate need to make Dempsey an icon at the expense of abusing Jol, MAF or FoF posters which I find distasteful.
Locking this one up. I think the topic has run its course and the player in question remains divisive amongst our supporters. Lets look ahead, for now, folks.
