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Title: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: win-dup on September 30, 2013, 05:52:01 PM
Will you be booing Jol or Hughes, or Jol and Hughes. How will either or both managers know if they are being booed? This is important, Can anyone supply a solution?
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Kent Cassandra on September 30, 2013, 06:04:54 PM
Grow up and don't boo anyone
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on September 30, 2013, 06:12:21 PM
I've never heard of a player stating that booing from his home fans ever inspired good play or a victory. I do recall many interviews where players have said that cheering and chanting inspired them to play harder and better.

The only things that matter in the game Saturday are the three points available to both teams. If you're able to go to the game, cheer, chant, sing for the home players. There's plenty of time for the rest after the points are earned.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: epsomraver on September 30, 2013, 06:19:10 PM
Never boo your own team, simple, why don't you stop these wind ups, don't believe for a minute you are a Fulham fan.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Me-ate-Live, innit?? on September 30, 2013, 06:22:21 PM
I wouldn't booooo Hughes  
but then again I would not Boooo Jol

We should all assume the Paintsil Crucifixion Pose  :022:
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Joe blogs on September 30, 2013, 06:25:48 PM
I repeat a rousing chorus of STAND UP IF YOU STILL BELIEVE May help.


Title: Re: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Berserker on September 30, 2013, 06:25:53 PM
Is that like Sgt Elias in Platoon, if so my knees won't take it. I mean the Paintsil thing not the standing and believing
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Burt on September 30, 2013, 06:29:15 PM
No booing.

Get behind the team.

We need the points.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Peabody on September 30, 2013, 06:45:05 PM
Surely the only dilemma is how to stop stupid questions like this one.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Holders on September 30, 2013, 06:48:00 PM
Burt's right. Booing achieves nothing - even after the game. Even if we lose or don't play well the board will take care of the manager situation and it'll do no good whatever getting on the backs of the players who have to get the club out of this!
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on September 30, 2013, 06:50:25 PM
Wasn't it just after the winter break during the Hughes regime that the club distributed the noisemakers (clappers) to get the crowd and team amped up?

Might be a good idea about now. A way of showing the players, at very least, that we are behind them.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Max Headroom on September 30, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
Never boo your own team...... Simple
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Twig on September 30, 2013, 07:23:44 PM
The clue is in the name.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Pluto on September 30, 2013, 07:26:56 PM
Can everyone please stop booing? If we all rallied together, got behind the team and sang like crazy we could create a huge atmosphere which would really help us get the points we so desperately need. The boo boys are just doing more damage.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Riverside on September 30, 2013, 07:30:07 PM
I don't boo.

I hope to cheer or am ground into silence by backward passes
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Forever Fulham on September 30, 2013, 07:31:29 PM
The team needs support.  The hour is dark.  No booing.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: premFlem on September 30, 2013, 07:43:27 PM
you do what you think is right at the time if you want to boo then boo if you dont want to boo then dont boo...The beauty of freedom ...enjoy!.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: terryr on September 30, 2013, 07:47:50 PM
No booing, no matter what happens
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: premFlem on September 30, 2013, 07:50:10 PM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on September 30, 2013, 07:31:29 PM
The team needs support.  The hour is dark.  No booing.
The time is dark for the supporters not the 22 millionaires out on the pitch being paid to entertain us
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Travers Barney on September 30, 2013, 08:21:46 PM
At the Reading game last season people were booing (and it was a few of them) even before Ruiz had received a teammates pass...outrageous it was and on my Grandsons first trip to the Cottage,only pleased he was too young to have a clue what was going on.

coyw
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: MrProphet on September 30, 2013, 08:29:48 PM
Absolutely no booing during the game agreed its counter productive they need our support but at the end they should know how awful they have been and how everyone has had enough
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Artful Dodger on September 30, 2013, 08:38:21 PM
Is booing allowed at the end after Stoke have strolled to 3 points after another gutless performance or should that be applauded too? Hope to hell we don't get that, but not particularly expecting anything else after Cardiff.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Oakeshott on September 30, 2013, 08:43:59 PM
I hope there is no booing during the game. But I also hope that if Jol is still in charge and we play as poorly as last Saturday, the "Jol out" chant after the final whistle is so loud that the owner gets the message.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: win-dup on September 30, 2013, 08:50:55 PM
 :005:
Quote from: Twig on September 30, 2013, 07:23:44 PM
The clue is in the name.
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Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on September 30, 2013, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: Oakeshott on September 30, 2013, 08:43:59 PM
I hope there is no booing during the game. But I also hope that if Jol is still in charge and we play as poorly as last Saturday, the "Jol out" chant after the final whistle is so loud that the owner gets the message.

I think he has the message in his hand already.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: BestOfBrede on September 30, 2013, 09:16:43 PM
Quote from: Artful Dodger on September 30, 2013, 08:38:21 PM
Is booing allowed at the end after Stoke have strolled to 3 points after another gutless performance or should that be applauded too? Hope to hell we don't get that, but not particularly expecting anything else after Cardiff.
Don't go to the game - what point is there with your attitude? Actually, I take that back - replace 'your' with the 'majority' of posters on this board!
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Logicalman on October 01, 2013, 06:03:43 AM
Personally, I've never booed the team, but its a matter of choice. I don't agree with those that do, though, as others have said on here, its a free world and everyone to their own, we live with our own decisions.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Parkway Drive on October 01, 2013, 06:40:18 AM
Quote from: epsomraver on September 30, 2013, 06:19:10 PM
Never boo your own team, simple, why don't you stop these wind ups, don't believe for a minute you are a Fulham fan.

This. Really don't get the lot going on about booing before the match has even started but everyone's entitled to their own decisions and actions no matter how insanely idiotic they are.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Matt on October 01, 2013, 08:19:59 AM
Quote from: premFlem on September 30, 2013, 07:50:10 PM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on September 30, 2013, 07:31:29 PM
The team needs support.  The hour is dark.  No booing.
The time is dark for the supporters not the 22 millionaires out on the pitch being paid to entertain us

My thoughts as well. We are the people actually caring as it seems. Lack of effort, if you have got the ticket you have defo the right to express your opinions.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: 7787fulham on October 01, 2013, 10:38:18 AM
Don't boo the team during the game by all means boo the opposition but not our own lads lets cherr them on and get behind them.
Now if we lose everybody is entitled to do what you want boo, chant jol out or walk away in silence hoping for a better game next time.
My only question is if we now go on a winning streak even if its only a few games will people suddenly want jol to stay and will the jol out chants stop just because he's getting things right until theu go wrong again.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: EJL on October 01, 2013, 12:55:33 PM
Why would you boo at the beginning of the game? I can understand it at half-time, although it's a bit ridiculous as any team can have a dodgy half, and at full-time, but before anyone has kicked a ball? Nope, sorry, don't get it.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: mikeyffc28 on October 01, 2013, 01:39:44 PM
Why boo?  If your boss or colleague stood next to you at work and booed at you for doing something wrong is it going to make you work better/harder?  How about supporting the team like "supporters" should do - the clue is in the name!

I say "Boo" to all you "boo"ers!
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: MasterHaynes on October 01, 2013, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: Joe blogs on September 30, 2013, 06:25:48 PM
I repeat a rousing chorus of STAND UP IF YOU STILL BELIEVE May help.



:plus one: 049:gif
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Brown@FFC on October 01, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
Quote from: mikeyffc28 on October 01, 2013, 01:39:44 PM
Why boo?  If your boss or colleague stood next to you at work and booed at you for doing something wrong is it going to make you work better/harder?  How about supporting the team like "supporters" should do - the clue is in the name!

I say "Boo" to all you "boo"ers!

Wrong. If you do something wrong at work, over the course of a year, consistently, you would be sacked.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: mikeyffc28 on October 01, 2013, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: Brown@FFC on October 01, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
Quote from: mikeyffc28 on October 01, 2013, 01:39:44 PM
Why boo?  If your boss or colleague stood next to you at work and booed at you for doing something wrong is it going to make you work better/harder?  How about supporting the team like "supporters" should do - the clue is in the name!

I say "Boo" to all you "boo"ers!

Wrong. If you do something wrong at work, over the course of a year, consistently, you would be sacked.

Well done, you are right. 065.gif  But you havent addressed any part of my post, which you will see refers to the neanderthal booing, not the eventual outcome of being sacked.
     
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Forever Fulham on October 01, 2013, 04:59:05 PM
Some players, like people in general, respond positively to negative reinforcement.  But for most people, and I would assume players as well, positive reinforcement is more effective.  Some players shut down and sulk or get depressed over boo-ing.  But no one plays worse upon hearing cheers and support.  Cheering and support inspires you when you are tired.  Boo-ing--what does that do for you when you are tired or your team is down a goal late?  Does it inspire you?  Does it lift your spirits?  What parallel universe are you boo birds living in to not understand human nature?  I've seen players half kill themselves with extra effort for an 'atta boy', a mighty cheer, a sustained applause.  But booing?  Here's the thing: Players don't know for sure what is the specific object of your booing, so they internalize it must be about them.  You hate the manager's selections or his failure to make a smart substitute, so you boo.  Do you think the players can easily differentiate the object of your boos?  No, they can't.  You're mad at, say, Hangeland for standing like a statute while the player he's supposed to be marking leaps over him for a header.  You boo. His teammates think you are booing them.  Everyone gets tarred and feathered over the seemingly unfocused and indiscriminate nature of booing.  Save your booing until half time or the end.  Give them courage and spirit in trying times, not disdain from the opening whistle.  This is punk behavior.  You want it all nice and easy, this is the wrong club for you.  Fulham is utterly dependent on team chemistry and cohesion, because of personnel holes in the lineup.  The team is old and in transition.  Help will come.  Until then, do everything possible to encourage winning with what we've got.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Pluto on October 01, 2013, 05:02:27 PM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on October 01, 2013, 04:59:05 PM
Some players, like people in general, respond positively to negative reinforcement.  But for most people, and I would assume players as well, positive reinforcement is more effective.  Some players shut down and sulk or get depressed over boo-ing.  But no one plays worse upon hearing cheers and support.  Cheering and support inspires you when you are tired.  Boo-ing--what does that do for you when you are tired or your team is down a goal late?  Does it inspire you?  Does it lift your spirits?  What parallel universe are you boo birds living in to not understand human nature?  I've seen players half kill themselves with extra effort for an 'atta boy', a mighty cheer, a sustained applause.  But booing?  Here's the thing: Players don't know for sure what is the specific object of your booing, so they internalize it must be about them.  You hate the manager's selections or his failure to make a smart substitute, so you boo.  Do you think the players can easily differentiate the object of your boos?  No, they can't.  You're mad at, say, Hangeland for standing like a statute while the player he's supposed to be marking leaps over him for a header.  You boo. His teammates think you are booing them.  Everyone gets tarred and feathered over the seemingly unfocused and indiscriminate nature of booing.  Save your booing until half time or the end.  Give them courage and spirit in trying times, not disdain from the opening whistle.  This is punk behavior.  You want it all nice and easy, this is the wrong club for you.  Fulham is utterly dependent on team chemistry and cohesion, because of personnel holes in the lineup.  The team is old and in transition.  Help will come.  Until then, do everything possible to encourage winning with what we've got.

:plus one: Intelligent and well argued. I thoroughly agree. No one should be booing our team before the match or while the game is in play.
Title: Re: booing next saturday - what a dilemma!
Post by: Logicalman on October 01, 2013, 05:51:37 PM
Quote from: mikeyffc28 on October 01, 2013, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: Brown@FFC on October 01, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
Quote from: mikeyffc28 on October 01, 2013, 01:39:44 PM
Why boo?  If your boss or colleague stood next to you at work and booed at you for doing something wrong is it going to make you work better/harder?  How about supporting the team like "supporters" should do - the clue is in the name!

I say "Boo" to all you "boo"ers!

Wrong. If you do something wrong at work, over the course of a year, consistently, you would be sacked.

Well done, you are right. 065.gif  But you havent addressed any part of my post, which you will see refers to the neanderthal booing, not the eventual outcome of being sacked.
     

Perhaps he is alluding to the fact the board have done nothing up until now, and therefore the booing will signal to them that all is not well, thus, lead to the sacking occurring a little earlier.