...I have just spoken to Tommy Guthrie who has advised that to contact the club with any concerns there are two options that will ensure any concerns are read.
1) E-mail: [email protected]
2) Letter: Supporters Relations Team, Fulham FC Training Ground, Motspur Park, New Malden, Surrey KT3 6PT
IMPORTANT: Making abusive comments and swearing in your correspondence will mean that, no matter how valid your points may be, they will NOT be passed further up the chain to the heirarchy.
If a sufficient number of e-mails and letters are sent they will be taken up to the CEO by the supporters relations team, but as mentioned abuse and swearing in any forms of communications will not be tolerated or passed on.
This is the first step...
Don't try ringing the main number as it is closed. Perhaps there is a link, ie a meltdown or just another example of where the Club is going, or perhaps the one operative is at lunch.
Emails usually work and to be fair TG has always got back. My rant aimed at Ali Mac or anyone who is paid to listen over the stewarding farce on Saturday is benefitting from the time elapsing and my wrath cooling.
actually no its not................ aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
I'm going to write after we fail to beat Swansea
Quote from: ScalleysDad on November 04, 2013, 02:25:34 PM
Don't try ringing the main number as it is closed. Perhaps there is a link, ie a meltdown or just another example of where the Club is going, or perhaps the one operative is at lunch.
Emails usually work and to be fair TG has always got back. My rant aimed at Ali Mac or anyone who is paid to listen over the stewarding farce on Saturday is benefitting from the time elapsing and my wrath cooling.
actually no its not................ aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
I know this seems like a broken record, but what stewarding farce? What did they do this time?
e-mailed tommy last week and he replied straight away. he's had a lot of fans e-mailing him with concerns. Says they will be passed on. The more the better!
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on November 04, 2013, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on November 04, 2013, 02:25:34 PM
Don't try ringing the main number as it is closed. Perhaps there is a link, ie a meltdown or just another example of where the Club is going, or perhaps the one operative is at lunch.
Emails usually work and to be fair TG has always got back. My rant aimed at Ali Mac or anyone who is paid to listen over the stewarding farce on Saturday is benefitting from the time elapsing and my wrath cooling.
actually no its not................ aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
I know this seems like a broken record, but what stewarding farce? What did they do this time?
The number of away fans in P2 standing the whole time was far more than the number of seats so the inevitable happened in that they spilled over, sometimes onto seated punters. They blocked the view for many and when they started the "We're Man United we do what we want" chant they had a point. My guest, a fifty something head of HR, remonstrated with a group in front of us who were getting out of hand and he got shoved. I looked at the one and only spotty steward at the top of the stairs and he just shrugged his shoulders later explaining that he had no chance of getting the 200 or so to sit down or at least play the up and down game. On a normal week if we stand for too long the wave from the end of the row and the motion to sit is pretty damn quick. Most our row missed the build up to the second goal and all of the third. I missed our solitary reply as my guest had been evicted by two over zealous members of the Met who acting on a complaint from a Man U fan behind us took him out for a chat about an alleged head butt. Several people, the Fulham massive and The Enclave chose to debate the allegation and were heckled by the oiks enjoying this entertainment. A few minutes later I got a text from him saying he was outside the gates. What could I do but leave my seat and go and find him. The second I left my seat two oiks took over the spaces in our row to join in the chanting. I was given the two finger sign as I took the first step up the stairwell. Oh joy. I told the steward at the top of the steps what had happened and he was more concerned I was blocking the aisle. On the concourse I tried to find a supervisor who would actually listen as opposed to point to some one else miles away. I heard the own goal go in which stirred the Man U fans hovering around the betting booths so the 'day glo clad ones' became occupied. I found a guy in a tie. He'll know I thought. "Phone the Club. If the Police felt the need to intervene we cannot dispute that". Me. "Ah but my point was the melee should have been brought under control or better still prevented by the stewards". He."Ring the Club mate not much I can do from here". The two coppers walked by and asked if I was looking for my mate. "We had to evict him as he was getting out of hand and had had a pint too many". We had two pints and a pizza on Putney High Street. I rang the Club this morning and got the message that the Office was closed with a voice telling me what the opening hours were ..... which strangely coincided with the time I was ringing. So there I am twenty minutes or so before the whistle walking up the Stevenage Road looking for my guest. For the first time I was disgusted, embarrassed and red hot angry with my Club and Zat Knight wasn't even playing. My guest had reached the tube and was Paddington bound by the time messages got through and I doubt he will be coming again.
Ah for those emotional, exciting and emotional again Europa nights. They seem so far away.
Not being to make abusive comments means that the majority of the Jol Outers e- mails will not be passed up the chain.
Quote from: grandad on November 04, 2013, 09:33:03 PM
Not being to make abusive comments means that the majority of the Jol Outers e- mails will not be passed up the chain.
...a typical sweeping generalisation, but hey, if that is the case they won't be listened to and you'll be delighted. The fact that in your view anybody who is not happy with the manager must be a knuckle dragging neanderthal who uses swear words as hyphens says a lot about how you view fellow fans of the club...
Quote from: grandad on November 04, 2013, 09:33:03 PM
Not being to make abusive comments means that the majority of the Jol Outers e- mails will not be passed up the chain.
This is a ridiculous comment. A few people have got out of hand on both sides. The vast majority - again on both sides - have been pretty polite.
I'm sorry but i study archaeology and evolution and must point out that the stereotype of Neanderthals is completely wrong
Quote from: ScalleysDad on November 04, 2013, 09:27:26 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on November 04, 2013, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on November 04, 2013, 02:25:34 PM
Don't try ringing the main number as it is closed. Perhaps there is a link, ie a meltdown or just another example of where the Club is going, or perhaps the one operative is at lunch.
Emails usually work and to be fair TG has always got back. My rant aimed at Ali Mac or anyone who is paid to listen over the stewarding farce on Saturday is benefitting from the time elapsing and my wrath cooling.
actually no its not................ aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
I know this seems like a broken record, but what stewarding farce? What did they do this time?
The number of away fans in P2 standing the whole time was far more than the number of seats so the inevitable happened in that they spilled over, sometimes onto seated punters. They blocked the view for many and when they started the "We're Man United we do what we want" chant they had a point. My guest, a fifty something head of HR, remonstrated with a group in front of us who were getting out of hand and he got shoved. I looked at the one and only spotty steward at the top of the stairs and he just shrugged his shoulders later explaining that he had no chance of getting the 200 or so to sit down or at least play the up and down game. On a normal week if we stand for too long the wave from the end of the row and the motion to sit is pretty damn quick. Most our row missed the build up to the second goal and all of the third. I missed our solitary reply as my guest had been evicted by two over zealous members of the Met who acting on a complaint from a Man U fan behind us took him out for a chat about an alleged head butt. Several people, the Fulham massive and The Enclave chose to debate the allegation and were heckled by the oiks enjoying this entertainment. A few minutes later I got a text from him saying he was outside the gates. What could I do but leave my seat and go and find him. The second I left my seat two oiks took over the spaces in our row to join in the chanting. I was given the two finger sign as I took the first step up the stairwell. Oh joy. I told the steward at the top of the steps what had happened and he was more concerned I was blocking the aisle. On the concourse I tried to find a supervisor who would actually listen as opposed to point to some one else miles away. I heard the own goal go in which stirred the Man U fans hovering around the betting booths so the 'day glo clad ones' became occupied. I found a guy in a tie. He'll know I thought. "Phone the Club. If the Police felt the need to intervene we cannot dispute that". Me. "Ah but my point was the melee should have been brought under control or better still prevented by the stewards". He."Ring the Club mate not much I can do from here". The two coppers walked by and asked if I was looking for my mate. "We had to evict him as he was getting out of hand and had had a pint too many". We had two pints and a pizza on Putney High Street. I rang the Club this morning and got the message that the Office was closed with a voice telling me what the opening hours were ..... which strangely coincided with the time I was ringing. So there I am twenty minutes or so before the whistle walking up the Stevenage Road looking for my guest. For the first time I was disgusted, embarrassed and red hot angry with my Club and Zat Knight wasn't even playing. My guest had reached the tube and was Paddington bound by the time messages got through and I doubt he will be coming again.
Ah for those emotional, exciting and emotional again Europa nights. They seem so far away.
Why bother to put yourself through that poo mate.
I have nothing but sympathy for you but the club do not deserve your support.
One of the many reasons that I retain an ineterest in Fulham but don't go anymore.
Not until the Championship anyway..
Quote from: grandad on November 04, 2013, 09:33:03 PM
Not being to make abusive comments means that the majority of the Jol Outers e- mails will not be passed up the chain.
Yawn must be lonely on that high horse
I will definitely be putting an email together I echo the experience of getting a quick reply always had useful ones in the past
Quote from: Berserker on November 04, 2013, 11:28:44 PM
I'm sorry but i study archaeology and evolution and must point out that the stereotype of Neanderthals is completely wrong
On average 2.8% of Homo sapiens' genome is Neanderthal.
...the situation is serious, this is not just about the manager, it is about the future of this club. Those who disagree do nothing by all means, those unsure but not happy, or those positive we need a change let your conscience guide you.
Please take that moment to write - if nothing else the strength of feeling may influence the manager to change or hasten his grand scheme to fruition, but I (and not just I) firmly believe this club is sleepwalking towards relegation...
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 06, 2013, 10:00:10 AM
...the situation is serious, this is not just about the manager, it is about the future of this club. Those who disagree do nothing by all means, those unsure but not happy, or those positive we need a change let your conscience guide you.
Please take that moment to write - if nothing else the strength of feeling may influence the manager to change or hasten his grand scheme to fruition, but I (and not just I) firmly believe this club is sleepwalking towards relegation...
is there such a term as 'sleep jogging'.
The ten game mark has passed and we have no discernible plan in place. Ten games on and with the opposition we have we might actually struggle to double our points tally. For goodness write in even if it is only to get somebody else in doing the warm ups. They are truly pitiful.
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 06, 2013, 10:00:10 AM
...the situation is serious, this is not just about the manager, it is about the future of this club. Those who disagree do nothing by all means, those unsure but not happy, or those positive we need a change let your conscience guide you.
Please take that moment to write - if nothing else the strength of feeling may influence the manager to change or hasten his grand scheme to fruition, but I (and not just I) firmly believe this club is sleepwalking towards relegation...
Done, kept it short and sweet and Grandad I managed to refrain from any profanities, ( swear words to you! )
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
...well don't read it and don't write. Your choice. Keep practising playing with that fiddle...
I sent an email after the cup game last week going through various things i am not happy with, most of which was completly missed by Tommy . He basicly said keep the faith and give my support against Man U on Sat as though everything would suddenly change. One of my points was the all singing dancing Website which markets our club like we were top of the table, i said if they were producing a physical product the trades description act would come down on them like a ton of bricks, the reply to this part was "i'm glad you like our new website, alot of effort has gone into it"!
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
So you are happy with the situation?
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 06, 2013, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
...well don't read it and don't write. Your choice. Keep practising playing with that fiddle...
I don't think as an admin it is appropriate to say I shouldn't read it as thats the point of a forum. I chose not to write.....Not through any highground or overseeing perspective, just that I feel the club employs (i'd like to think) people who are well aware of the situation. Call it lazy but I imagine(hope) things are being addressed. I also don't feel that getting rid of Jol will make things drastically improve. If this situation arises ie Jol sacked, I will carry on doing what i am doing, supporting my club and not creating a vile atmosphere that *some are.
*I don't mean anyone directly in this chat or on FoF but booing etc and fans fighting amongst themselves hasn't helped.
Quote from: epsomraver on November 06, 2013, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
So you are happy with the situation?
I agree i'm not happy but i'm not yet succumbing to the doom and gloom that some have portrayed. We aren't 20th (yet) and we aren't in the relegation zone (yet) and to my eyes we haven't played a decent game all year. My hope lies in our ability to change this.
I agree with the stewards argument and the lack of FFC policies making us supporters feel like we are second string to the away lot who get away with anything and everything. I'll just support my club regardless of who sits in the throne to pick the team and to not add to some rather stale atmospheres I have witnessed of late.
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 06, 2013, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
...well don't read it and don't write. Your choice. Keep practising playing with that fiddle...
I don't think as an admin it is appropriate to say I shouldn't read it as thats the point of a forum. I chose not to write.....Not through any highground or overseeing perspective, just that I feel the club employs (i'd like to think) people who are well aware of the situation. Call it lazy but I imagine(hope) things are being addressed. I also don't feel that getting rid of Jol will make things drastically improve. If this situation arises ie Jol sacked, I will carry on doing what i am doing, supporting my club and not creating a vile atmosphere that *some are.
*I don't mean anyone directly in this chat or on FoF but booing etc and fans fighting amongst themselves hasn't helped.
Quote from: epsomraver on November 06, 2013, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
So you are happy with the situation?
I agree i'm not happy but i'm not yet succumbing to the doom and gloom that some have portrayed. We aren't 20th (yet) and we aren't in the relegation zone (yet) and to my eyes we haven't played a decent game all year. My hope lies in our ability to change this.
I agree with the stewards argument and the lack of FFC policies making us supporters feel like we are second string to the away lot who get away with anything and everything. I'll just support my club regardless of who sits in the throne to pick the team and to not add to some rather stale atmospheres I have witnessed of late.
:plus one: to both posts.
Of course I am not happy about us never having won a major trophy in my 59 years of supporting the club. It is unlikely in my lifetime that we will win anything but I will still support the club with as much passion as I always have. I have known some pretty bad times & our present situation is no way as bad. Keep believing.
Quote from: grandad on November 06, 2013, 11:41:56 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 06, 2013, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
...well don't read it and don't write. Your choice. Keep practising playing with that fiddle...
I don't think as an admin it is appropriate to say I shouldn't read it as thats the point of a forum. I chose not to write.....Not through any highground or overseeing perspective, just that I feel the club employs (i'd like to think) people who are well aware of the situation. Call it lazy but I imagine(hope) things are being addressed. I also don't feel that getting rid of Jol will make things drastically improve. If this situation arises ie Jol sacked, I will carry on doing what i am doing, supporting my club and not creating a vile atmosphere that *some are.
*I don't mean anyone directly in this chat or on FoF but booing etc and fans fighting amongst themselves hasn't helped.
Quote from: epsomraver on November 06, 2013, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
So you are happy with the situation?
I agree i'm not happy but i'm not yet succumbing to the doom and gloom that some have portrayed. We aren't 20th (yet) and we aren't in the relegation zone (yet) and to my eyes we haven't played a decent game all year. My hope lies in our ability to change this.
I agree with the stewards argument and the lack of FFC policies making us supporters feel like we are second string to the away lot who get away with anything and everything. I'll just support my club regardless of who sits in the throne to pick the team and to not add to some rather stale atmospheres I have witnessed of late.
:plus one: to both posts.
Of course I am not happy about us never having won a major trophy in my 59 years of supporting the club. It is unlikely in my lifetime that we will win anything but I will still support the club with as much passion as I always have. I have known some pretty bad times & our present situation is no way as bad. Keep believing.
If we all had adapted this do nothing attitude then we would be Fulham park rangers, did you not go on the pitch at the Walsall game to protest at the situation? did you walk from the dog track to CC to protest at the loss of the Cottage? we did , If you think standing back and doing nothing is the the way to get change then sorry, you are deluded.
Quote from: epsomraver on November 06, 2013, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: grandad on November 06, 2013, 11:41:56 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 06, 2013, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
...well don't read it and don't write. Your choice. Keep practising playing with that fiddle...
I don't think as an admin it is appropriate to say I shouldn't read it as thats the point of a forum. I chose not to write.....Not through any highground or overseeing perspective, just that I feel the club employs (i'd like to think) people who are well aware of the situation. Call it lazy but I imagine(hope) things are being addressed. I also don't feel that getting rid of Jol will make things drastically improve. If this situation arises ie Jol sacked, I will carry on doing what i am doing, supporting my club and not creating a vile atmosphere that *some are.
*I don't mean anyone directly in this chat or on FoF but booing etc and fans fighting amongst themselves hasn't helped.
Quote from: epsomraver on November 06, 2013, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 06, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
So you are happy with the situation?
I agree i'm not happy but i'm not yet succumbing to the doom and gloom that some have portrayed. We aren't 20th (yet) and we aren't in the relegation zone (yet) and to my eyes we haven't played a decent game all year. My hope lies in our ability to change this.
I agree with the stewards argument and the lack of FFC policies making us supporters feel like we are second string to the away lot who get away with anything and everything. I'll just support my club regardless of who sits in the throne to pick the team and to not add to some rather stale atmospheres I have witnessed of late.
:plus one: to both posts.
Of course I am not happy about us never having won a major trophy in my 59 years of supporting the club. It is unlikely in my lifetime that we will win anything but I will still support the club with as much passion as I always have. I have known some pretty bad times & our present situation is no way as bad. Keep believing.
If we all had adapted this do nothing attitude then we would be Fulham park rangers, did you not go on the pitch at the Walsall game to protest at the situation? did you walk from the dog track to CC to protest at the loss of the Cottage? we did , If you think standing back and doing nothing is the the way to get change then sorry, you are deluded.
You'd make a very valid point, had the situation even be remotely similar. It's not though. We as a club have evolved. We aren't on the cusp of oblivion. I simply do nothing out of trust that my club is well ran (which it is) and we aren't drifting into impending doom. Was I around in such troubled times, I would have been there because that was admirable and dare I say it necessary. Now it isn't a matter of proposing actions in order to fundimentally save the club.
I do like your passion however.
Yes I fall into the same category. If it would definitely help to get rid of Jol I would say yes do it. The problem is Jol Knows the players he knows their strengths and weaknesses. He also knows the players we need in the window. He is not the fool he is painted to be. The other thing is will the new man need time to get everyone working together. Will he just purchase players for the sake of it none of which will be any better than we already have. There are very few points on the table that we can honestly say in advance we will gain. We need the fight of everyone at the club. I'm sure everyone is working on it.
He is not the fool he is painted to be. really? judging by his comments to the press and the performances on the pitch I wouldn't be so sure. For all the positives you quote why are these not evident then,he knows the players strengths and weaknesses, really? then why does persist week in week out playing the same no shape team with players who obviously are not enjoying their football and seem to have no idea what they are doing out there.
Quote from: epsomraver on November 06, 2013, 01:45:30 PM
He is not the fool he is painted to be. really? judging by his comments to the press and the performances on the pitch I wouldn't be so sure. For all the positives you quote why are these not evident then,he knows the players strengths and weaknesses, really? then why does persist week in week out playing the same no shape team with players who obviously are not enjoying their football and seem to have no idea what they are doing out there.
Because he feels plan B,C,D and E aren't good enough for the EPL and certain parts of his squad aren't physically/mentally ready and other members just don't fit into his plan.....if there is one.
I don't know, i'm not overly smitten with him but i'll worry slightly more with the unpredictability of a new manager over our current one who has successfully steered us clear previously. That is the extent of my argument for keeping him so read into that what you will but our downfall is *just* down to him.
FFC 1987 SAID
Not through any highground or overseeing perspective, just that I feel the club employs (i'd like to think) people who are well aware of the situation. Call it lazy but I imagine(hope) things are being addressed. I also don't feel that getting rid of Jol will make things drastically improve.
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I agree i'm not happy but i'm not yet succumbing to the doom and gloom that some have portrayed. We aren't 20th (yet) and we aren't in the relegation zone (yet) and to my eyes we haven't played a decent game all year. My hope lies in our ability to change this.
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While you are entitled to do and think as you wish, don't you think you are putting a lot of faith into something that is looking worse by the day.
Fewer and fewer people by the day are unable to see any evidence that any constructive work is being done behind the scenes to turn things around.
This is not a blip that can be ridden out, but even if it was the team would be set up to make us hard to beat first and foremost by a good coach
Jol may genuinely believe berbatov and ruiz are our first 2 names on the team sheet regardless, but the lack of any tactics to get the best out of them while protecting the team is worse than amateurish.
Jol clearly cant see the wood for the trees so the only hope of getting the best from the squad is to shake things up and give someone else the chance.
Quote from: FFC1987 on Today at 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
...well don't read it and don't write. Your choice. Keep practising playing with that fiddle...
FFC 1987: "I don't think as an admin it is appropriate to say I shouldn't read it as thats the point of a forum. I chose not to write.....Not through any highground or overseeing perspective, just that I feel the club employs (i'd like to think) people who are well aware of the situation. Call it lazy but I imagine(hope) things are being addressed. I also don't feel that getting rid of Jol will make things drastically improve. If this situation arises ie Jol sacked, I will carry on doing what i am doing, supporting my club and not creating a vile atmosphere that *some are.
*I don't mean anyone directly in this chat or on FoF but booing etc and fans fighting amongst themselves hasn't helped".
...I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in your interpretation of my comment, to clarify, if you don't like the Mail don't read it, I don't - if you don't want to write, that is your choice, but after two and a half seasons plus in charge, if you are happy with things or too lazy to change things then such procrastination could mean changes will be made too late to save the club from the drop.
Either way, as a moderator I am still entitled to a point of view, but you can complain to the other moderators about me being honest in expressing my views.
The point about getting people to write is that even if you think Jol will one day do a wonderful job, or could do better then let them know, if you think the players are letting him down- let them know, if you think the board should be investing in better, younger players - let them know, they may do something about it. There are others, like myself, who cannot see that Jol has achieved anything and strongly feel that he won't ever at Fulham as his sterile style of play holds no interest to me and I feel his continued tenure at the club, coupled with the poor form and poor results and poor points tally means he will take the club down...
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on November 06, 2013, 03:10:29 PM
FFC 1987 SAID
Not through any highground or overseeing perspective, just that I feel the club employs (i'd like to think) people who are well aware of the situation. Call it lazy but I imagine(hope) things are being addressed. I also don't feel that getting rid of Jol will make things drastically improve.
I agree i'm not happy but i'm not yet succumbing to the doom and gloom that some have portrayed. We aren't 20th (yet) and we aren't in the relegation zone (yet) and to my eyes we haven't played a decent game all year. My hope lies in our ability to change this.
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While you are entitled to do and think as you wish, don't you think you are putting a lot of faith into something that is looking worse by the day.
Fewer and fewer people by the day are unable to see any evidence that any constructive work is being done behind the scenes to turn things around.
This is not a blip that can be ridden out, but even if it was the team would be set up to make us hard to beat first and foremost by a good coach
Jol may genuinely believe berbatov and ruiz are our first 2 names on the team sheet regardless, but the lack of any tactics to get the best out of them while protecting the team is worse than amateurish.
Jol clearly cant see the wood for the trees so the only hope of getting the best from the squad is to shake things up and give someone else the chance.
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You make the presumption that by men in charge I was referring to Mr Jol. I was merely talking about the club as a whole and that is where my faith is placed seeing as we have 10 years worth of factual contributions that indicate we are in good hands. You presume that the only way the club can improve is without Jol. I can't say whether he can or not but I can confidently say the guys who run the club know whats good for the club and i'll place my trust in that. With or without Jol.
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 06, 2013, 03:30:42 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on Today at 10:50:30 AM
Sounds like something you'd read in the daily mail this...
...well don't read it and don't write. Your choice. Keep practising playing with that fiddle...
FFC 1987: "I don't think as an admin it is appropriate to say I shouldn't read it as thats the point of a forum. I chose not to write.....Not through any highground or overseeing perspective, just that I feel the club employs (i'd like to think) people who are well aware of the situation. Call it lazy but I imagine(hope) things are being addressed. I also don't feel that getting rid of Jol will make things drastically improve. If this situation arises ie Jol sacked, I will carry on doing what i am doing, supporting my club and not creating a vile atmosphere that *some are.
*I don't mean anyone directly in this chat or on FoF but booing etc and fans fighting amongst themselves hasn't helped".
...I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in your interpretation of my comment, to clarify, if you don't like the Mail don't read it, I don't - if you don't want to write, that is your choice, but after two and a half seasons plus in charge, if you are happy with things or too lazy to change things then such procrastination could mean changes will be made too late to save the club from the drop.
Either way, as a moderator I am still entitled to a point of view, but you can complain to the other moderators about me being honest in expressing my views.
The point about getting people to write is that even if you think Jol will one day do a wonderful job, or could do better then let them know, if you think the players are letting him down- let them know, if you think the board should be investing in better, younger players - let them know, they may do something about it. There are others, like myself, who cannot see that Jol has achieved anything and strongly feel that he won't ever at Fulham as his sterile style of play holds no interest to me and I feel his continued tenure at the club, coupled with the poor form and poor results and poor points tally means he will take the club down...
Cheers for the clarity, it was indeed interpreted in the wrong manner. I will only state that again, we aren't in the bottom 3 and that changing things could ultimately make things worse. Plenty of examples that it works both way! I wouldn't complain about a moderator to a moderator regarding an expressional view, no one in this thread has suggested such so im rather confused.
Maybe i'm cynical or unaware of our impending doom but I generally think things could be far worse. History dictates this.
...FFC1987, you are right, things have been worse, but we had worse players, were in lower leagues, with hardly any money and expectations were commensurate.
However, now we are in the premier league, we have international players and a billionaire owner and a manager who has cachet in terms of reputation, so in context we are in a worse situation.
This is why I passionately feel the fans need to make their feelings known before matters get out of hand...
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 06, 2013, 04:18:42 PM
...FFC1987, you are right, things have been worse, but we had worse players, were in lower leagues, with hardly any money and expectations were commensurate.
However, now we are in the premier league, we have international players and a billionaire owner and a manager who has cachet in terms of reputation, so in context we are in a worse situation.
This is why I passionately feel the fans need to make their feelings known before matters get out of hand...
Fair enough point. I may not agree with the application of it but I can't disregard it. We all see things differently and react differently and if doing this brings some good then everyones a winner. I do however hope the situation regarding dire atmospheres in places gets better and ultimately the fans stick together.
Some parts of FFC needs re-evaluating, like the stewards and there lack of responsibility when it comes to officiating away fans but I do think some of our fans need to settle down a bit and focus on being a bit more supportive. (which ultimately is there role) *I should add, at matches.
Ive sent two e mails to tommy guthri and received no response to either. Not happy about that now either
I've just emailed Tom Guthrie to explain my concern at the current state of the Club and the need to replace the Manager. Based on other fans' experiences, I wonder whether we will even get a reply?
...please don't expect Tommy to reply immediately, he will pass on the concerns to the higher management, and if a sufficient number of letters are sent then they will ultimately make it up the chain to Alistair MacIntosh. If he ignores the concerns we may as well not exist...
...I urge you to write to the club - if they do nothing the next step will be embarrassing the club into action...
Quote from: Holders on November 05, 2013, 07:49:12 AM
Quote from: Berserker on November 04, 2013, 11:28:44 PM
I'm sorry but i study archaeology and evolution and must point out that the stereotype of Neanderthals is completely wrong
On average 2.8% of Homo sapiens' genome is Neanderthal.
2.8% of mankind are Manur fans?
I just sent the following to the club:
Sir:
It is with deepest regret that I feel compelled to write this email. I am concerned that this current Fulham edition is headed straight into the Championship. We have played without heart, without effort and without a plan. The defense plays "bunch ball", gathering into a panic each time the ball passes the midfield stripe. The midfield is constantly overrun and serves no more purpose than the bumpers on a pin ball machine. I cannot comment on the attack since there is none. I will say that the inability to hold a lead or to defend a set piece comes from , in my opinion, the utter lack of a plan put forth to the players by Mr. Jol. Furthermore, selection of that immature, petulant child Berbatov to be captain in Hangeland's absence demonstrates the utter lack of man management or leadership by Mr. Jol and perhaps the entire coaching staff. The time is now to make a change. Martin Jol needs to move on. Whatever cash out would be contractually owed him pales when compared to the loss of money from being relegated. Please, for the love of Fulham, make a management change.
Regards,
Jim Simmons
aka Yankee Jim
Quote from: YankeeJim on November 09, 2013, 07:02:23 PM
I just sent the following to the club:
Sir:
It is with deepest regret that I feel compelled to write this email. I am concerned that this current Fulham edition is headed straight into the Championship. We have played without heart, without effort and without a plan. The defense plays "bunch ball", gathering into a panic each time the ball passes the midfield stripe. The midfield is constantly overrun and serves no more purpose than the bumpers on a pin ball machine. I cannot comment on the attack since there is none. I will say that the inability to hold a lead or to defend a set piece comes from , in my opinion, the utter lack of a plan put forth to the players by Mr. Jol. Furthermore, selection of that immature, petulant child Berbatov to be captain in Hangeland's absence demonstrates the utter lack of man management or leadership by Mr. Jol and perhaps the entire coaching staff. The time is now to make a change. Martin Jol needs to move on. Whatever cash out would be contractually owed him pales when compared to the loss of money from being relegated. Please, for the love of Fulham, make a management change.
Regards,
Jim Simmons
aka Yankee Jim
:plus one:
We can't just moan to each other we have to write in because the team is a disgrace under Jol.
We can't score, can't defend, can't keep possession, no pressing, no organisation, berbatov as captain and all this from a manager that thinks he is too good for us.
Has he improved any players at the club?.. Kasami is the only player who has got better under Jol and he went out on loan, the rest have gone backwards.
The man talks a good game but is totally incompetent. During our best spell under Jol (shortly after he took over) I spoke to a respected player and expected to hear great stories about the coaching and training, instead he told me it was poor and not a patch on Roy. At the time I was surprised as we were doing well but now it has been proven to be true.
Email or write in before he takes us down!
Sign the petition!
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=33732.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=33732.0)
Quote from: Birmingham White on November 09, 2013, 08:29:13 PM
We can't just moan to each other we have to write in because the team is a disgrace under Jol.
We can't score, can't defend, can't keep possession, no pressing, no organisation, berbatov as captain and all this from a manager that thinks he is too good for us.
Has he improved any players at the club?.. Kasami is the only player who has got better under Jol and he went out on loan, the rest have gone backwards.
The man talks a good game but is totally incompetent. During our best spell under Jol (shortly after he took over) I spoke to a respected player and expected to hear great stories about the coaching and training, instead he told me it was poor and not a patch on Roy. At the time I was surprised as we were doing well but now it has been proven to be true.
Email or write in before he takes us down!
You should have done this emailing weeks ago !!!!!!!!!!
I tweaked things a bit.
I got an email about signed shirts and buying selected adidas items but, surprise surprise, buying more Villa tickets was not mentioned. I latched onto that and wrote to the Club stating quite clearly that Chris Davids might as well start the next home game and that 'We' will not be spending a penny more on the Club until the Clown has gone.
This is truly the worst I've seen Fulham play since we've been in the PL.
Quote from: Birmingham White on November 09, 2013, 08:29:13 PM
Has he improved any players at the club?.. Kasami is the only player who has got better under Jol and he went out on loan, the rest have gone backwards.
To be fair he improved Dembele. The rest, particularly the defense, have got worse.
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 09, 2013, 05:42:34 PM
if they do nothing the next step will be embarrassing the club into action...
Just as well the team are saving everyone that effort
Thanks for the heads up of where to write, it saves me asking Tommy Guthrie.
Not for the 1st time over the last year, today we were out classed, out thought and worst for me, out fought. I paid my well earned money to attend today's disgusting performance. When I got home, I read from a BBC journalist that Jol said we have to suffer against the "big" teams but need to beat those around us.
What the hell is that? Is the season only 26-28 games a season? Do the club only charge for us to attend the games against the mid to lower teams? Not a chance in hell of that. I support my team across the country expecting them to compete in EVERY single match. I'm absolutely disgusted by those comments and the way Jol has allowed our standards to slip.
Get out of my club. We, as fans deserve so much more than this and if the club allow him to be here beyond Monday/Tuesday then the questions about what's happening should be far further reaching than just the manager.
I'm a proud supporter of Fulham, I've been present in our darkest hours but also seen us compete and beat some of the best teams across Europe. This charlatan needs to be removed immediately and some pride put back into my club.
Quote from: GloucesterWhite on November 09, 2013, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: Birmingham White on November 09, 2013, 08:29:13 PM
Has he improved any players at the club?.. Kasami is the only player who has got better under Jol and he went out on loan, the rest have gone backwards.
To be fair he improved Dembele. The rest, particularly the defense, have got worse.
He hasn't improved Dembele, that is down to Steve Wigley and the academy staff
Quote from: NorthernWhite on November 09, 2013, 10:26:44 PM
Thanks for the heads up of where to write, it saves me asking Tommy Guthrie.
Not for the 1st time over the last year, today we were out classed, out thought and worst for me, out fought. I paid my well earned money to attend today's disgusting performance. When I got home, I read from a BBC journalist that Jol said we have to suffer against the "big" teams but need to beat those around us.
What the hell is that? Is the season only 26-28 games a season? Do the club only charge for us to attend the games against the mid to lower teams? Not a chance in hell of that. I support my team across the country expecting them to compete in EVERY single match. I'm absolutely disgusted by those comments and the way Jol has allowed our standards to slip.
Get out of my club. We, as fans deserve so much more than this and if the club allow him to be here beyond Monday/Tuesday then the questions about what's happening should be far further reaching than just the manager.
I'm a proud supporter of Fulham, I've been present in our darkest hours but also seen us compete and beat some of the best teams across Europe. This charlatan needs to be removed immediately and some pride put back into my club.
Spot on mate, good post, that is what we all feel.
Has anybody heard back from their sent emails yet? If not, maybe we'd have a better chance writing to Santa instead?
Quote from: Furby on November 10, 2013, 04:33:32 PM
Has anybody heard back from their sent emails yet? If not, maybe we'd have a better chance writing to Santa instead?
Alas that is something else that seems to have gone backwards. I actually wrote to the club warning them that the curry being sold was simply asking for problems, I wrote to support Berserkers quest to get a mobility impaired seat for a great old fella who sits near us, I wrote to advise that it was not Scalley yanked out of her seat by a couple of over eager members of The Met and I emailed them on the continued practice of staff/employee seats always ending up in the hands of away fans. Not a sniff of a response on any subject which is in marked contrast to last season when I got a speedy response from TG about stewarding and I received a phone call about the away fans getting home tickets ................. although I get that now as we might sell ours a couple of times now to relieve the anguish and save towards Somerset cricket season tickets.
Not blaming Jol for any of these but it does highlight a change of attitude or application from other areas of the Club. I still think people should write in just in case they do end up on the appropriate desk although the apparent inactivity today from The Boardroom makes me wonder if we matter at all.
I did get reply after about a week. It basically said were going through a bad patch but keep the faith and we come voood. A very long bad patch but im sure the standard response.
Ials asked why there was nothhing on the website about kasami a nd three others in th club sho p and now theres a video
My next door neighbour just said his collegues at the Swindon BMW plant were talking about Fulham and the Kasami wonder goal.
I think I will e mail the club, not sure what to say, also do I send it to their general enquires e mail or is their a special one?
Sent from my GT-I9505
...if you haven't written yet, see out the day before you do...
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 10, 2013, 06:14:43 PM
...if you haven't written yet, see out the day before you do...
What do you mean LB?
Sent from my GT-I9505
Quote from: Berserker on November 10, 2013, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on November 10, 2013, 06:14:43 PM
...if you haven't written yet, see out the day before you do...
What do you mean LB?
Sent from my GT-I9505
I am in the middle of an email and now I don't know if I should leave it in my 'Draft' file or send it?
Are we waiting because their inbox is full or is something else afoot?
COYW
We're now in the relegation zone and the Black cats have woken up. Going down with the Eagles. Write now.
...Alistair MacIntosh is no fool, he knows the depth of feeling amongst the majority of fans, he reads and watches the media comments and maybe even looks in on the message boards; today we have found ourselves in the bottom three of the relegation zone, and as has been pointed out, we have two weeks before our next match, and if the club are to get anyone else in before then, this would give any new manager at least a week to see the squad in training, make changes and start to get the squad to earn their wage and to start to play together as a team as opposed to a collection of individuals.
The CEO will have many contacts and Mr Khan surely must rely on his and the boards input and experience to make the interim changes sooner than later.
Speculation it surely is, but tomorrow should be Jol's Dies Irea, if not there will be a requiem for Fulham FC...
Jol's Dies Irea, I had that but two immodium soon cured it! :005: :005:
Is it era or a man word I don't know
I wrote a mail to Tommy.
It is only the second time in my life that I have ever written to someone to complain about something.
The first time was after *that* match at the Baseball Ground. I wrote to Graham Kelly, then chairman of the Sweet FA, to ask him to justify on what basis the FA refused to replay the match against Derby given all the precedent to then had been to replay any match that had been abandoned. I even managed to research which ones, which given this was before the Age of the Internet was no mean feat!
To be fair to Kelly, he did respond, the reasoning for not having a replay was because the pre-match conditions could not be recreated - i.e. on the day there was a possibility that Derby could be relegated, but as it happened the results went their way and so in a replay scenario they would have nothing to play for (they knew they would be safe, whatever) whereas we would (we had to win to go up).
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
