He's been subpar in the last two matches, and cost us points today. He has zero command of his box and stays rooted to his line, which doesn't at all help our very fragile central defense. If you're going to be defined as a "shot stopper," then you have to do better than a soft palm of a header right into traffic and getting nutmegged for the third goal.
We can blame the defenders all we want (and they deserve a good deal of it), but a huge part of goalkeeping is organization of the defense and command of the box, and Stek at this point is failing in both areas.
Stockdale definitley needs to be recalled.... Steklenberg has been awful. I hate to say it but Nick Bateman was spot on with his critical analysis of our current number 1.
He has a poor defense infront of him but he is a major weakness imo
Maybe it's not a great idea to import players who excel in the Dutch league (yes, Bryan, I do mean you, too).
A keeper commanding the box, both verbally and physically, is becoming a dying art. When Shwarz was in goal there was a choice of seven languages between him and the back four with Senderos in it but there was still no call or commanding "Keepers ball!", "Out!" or "Man on!". We have not heard Sket at all and the number of 'will he won't he come out' moments are getting ridiculous. I am not saying it is all down to him. The back four do not shout for the ball or yell support or information and it is quite clear the telepathy coaching is not working. This is not likely to change with the return of Hangers as if he is taking command it is in whispers. I suppose the counter argument is that all the players should know where to be and when but from time to time we are shooting ourselves in both feet for the want of a yell.
Wait!! "Stek" is royalty on this board. One is not allowed to post a genuinely held view regarding him, nor compare him to Mark Schwarzer who Jol disgracefully GAVE to Chelsea.
I've been vilified for being critical of good ol' Stek because he is lauded in this tiny portion of the galaxy whether he fumbles a shot, gets beaten at the near post, reacts too late, or too soon, gets his angles wrong, palms the ball back into dangerous areas, or whatever.
That said, I'm not overly blaming him for any of the goals today apart from the fourth which somehow went through him.....
wasted valuable transfer funds IMO when stockdale could do the same job at no cost.
My original posting criticising "Stek" was LOCKED by LBno11. All my subsequent posts were moved into the same locked thread and opinion, debate, was thwarted because Stek is regarded as highly as The Queen, on this message board and one would say, NOWHERE ELSE!
His average now is 3 goals a game!
Quote from: alexbishop on December 21, 2013, 06:34:56 PM
wasted valuable transfer funds IMO when stockdale could do the same job at no cost.
100% agree. He may be a good keeper, but I have seen nothing that shows we would have got less pts with Stockdale in goal.
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I think Stek has been a real liability - not that anyone would like playing behind our back four.
Err...did anybody saw the same game as me? He may be at fault for the third goal, but he pulled off a couple of good saves before and looked calm and assured. He has been surely one of our best players until now.
Expected a lot more from a goalkeeper who's played in a World Cup Final. Not been convinced so far. Big letdown.
I doubt there is a keeper in this league who could do any better behind our fragile defence.
Quote from: Stefano Okaka Chuka on December 21, 2013, 07:21:38 PM
Err...did anybody saw the same game as me? He may be at fault for the third goal, but he pulled off a couple of good saves before and looked calm and assured. He has been surely one of our best players until now.
:plus one:
Christ knows what some of the posters ( I was going to say muppets but they may ban me) watch?
Quote from: Bedford White on December 21, 2013, 07:24:58 PM
I doubt there is a keeper in this league who could do any better behind our fragile defence.
Fair enough but be a real plus if he occasionally left his line to give the blokes in front of him a bit of confidence......was critical of Stuckdale because he was rooted to his line...this blokes the same but makes more mistakes...oh for someone with MS's authority.
coyw
We are shipping goals badly and have the worse defensive record in the premiership, the keeper has been at fault a few times and perhaps Stockdale should be given a couple of games but remember he too was guilty of not coming off his line for crosses.
A change in keeper will not solve all our defensive problems.
Quote from: filham on December 21, 2013, 08:09:19 PM
A change in keeper will not solve all our defensive problems.
I agree, and with the rest of your response in general, but that includes the implication that there is less to choose between the two of them than we expected. In theory Steck should be much the superior, but signs of that are still awaited and it's getting to the stage when they are no longer anticipated.
i think he's been quite good, yes he may be at fault for 1 or 2 goals but he has produced some sublime saves that most keepers would have let in
Quote from: alexbishop on December 21, 2013, 06:34:56 PM
wasted valuable transfer funds IMO when stockdale could do the same job at no cost.
10000000000000000000000000000% in agreement.
He was at fault today, but overall he is an improvement.
In the modern game we need his better distribution, if we can get better players in defense this will be an asset, long term.
He should have done better with the third goal but I think he's a good goalkeeper. Most of the people who think Stockdale is better would moan for Stek back upon his first mistake.
I think he is ok. We need 3 new back 4 players. Easily the worst defence in the league since Derby County. :005:
Quote from: b+w geezer on December 21, 2013, 08:32:37 PM
Quote from: filham on December 21, 2013, 08:09:19 PM
A change in keeper will not solve all our defensive problems.
I agree, and with the rest of your response in general, but that includes the implication that there is less to choose between the two of them than we expected. In theory Steck should be much the superior, but signs of that are still awaited and it's getting to the stage when they are no longer anticipated.
That is the key point. We should not be having a discussion between Stek and Stockdale. The fact that it's even being broached implies that Stek is underperforming his assumed level. We don't know whether this is indeed his level, or he's just not played well enough yet.
His distribution is very good, though. Forgot to mention that in the initial post.
Our defenders played quite well but four of them made just one serious bockolls-up that cost us goals.
Goal 1: referee error
Goal 2: Where on earth was Reither when the City player ghosted into his position unmarked for the second goal. And then what panties was Amorabieta wearing that prevented him from committing to the block?
Goal 3 (if this was the ball whipped in with the outside of the boot from the right). Aaron air-balled it. Dear oh dear. They all rave about the quality of the cross but Hughes was in the right place to clear it for a corner. And he missed it.
Goal 4. Amorabieta didn't show as much determination as the attacker (a bit harsh, but I'm remembering his wimpey attempt to block the second goal - and Stek let another one go through his body to add to last week's that went under it.
Costly, costly costly, costly.
Other than that, we played brilliantly.
Nogood "agreed that it's now Stockdale time, itis" Boyo
Keepers under the spotlight more than any other position stek is good keeper
Stockdale is no slouch though,but to simalar to call.
I think you have goals 3 and 4 the wrong way round
Quote from: Nick Bateman on December 21, 2013, 06:42:41 PM
My original posting criticising "Stek" was LOCKED by LBno11. All my subsequent posts were moved into the same locked thread and opinion, debate, was thwarted because Stek is regarded as highly as The Queen, on this message board and one would say, NOWHERE ELSE!
His average now is 3 goals a game!
Nick, I locked your thread because it was causing distress on this board because of your posting style and your banging on endlessly. Your point had been made, and it ran its course. We will continue to do so if you continue in your caustic and self-congradulating style. It's not what you communicate, it's how you do it.
Also, I MERGED your threads because they were repetitive to the point of being annoying...much like your posting style, they were not removed. Get your facts straight. I will continue to do so if you continue to throw up threads that are identical to ones you've already created.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on December 21, 2013, 06:34:12 PM
Wait!! "Stek" is royalty on this board. One is not allowed to post a genuinely held view regarding him, nor compare him to Mark Schwarzer who Jol disgracefully GAVE to Chelsea.
I've been vilified for being critical of good ol' Stek because he is lauded in this tiny portion of the galaxy whether he fumbles a shot, gets beaten at the near post, reacts too late, or too soon, gets his angles wrong, palms the ball back into dangerous areas, or whatever.
That said, I'm not overly blaming him for any of the goals today apart from the fourth which somehow went through him.....
Nick I haven't seen you show me a name before, have you shown other users a name, have you named Steklenberg to other people?
I'm sorry. In the match I watched, we were beaten by a better team. Stek might have stopped a goal, but it was defensive lapses by Amorebieta and Hughes that led to two goals he couldn't have touched, each of which gave City a two-goal lead.
I'm Stockdale's biggest fan, but I'm comfortable with Stek out there.
Quote from: andrewscott on December 22, 2013, 12:37:09 AM
I think you have goals 3 and 4 the wrong way round
You're definitely right on that Great Scott. If we can cut out those basic defensive errors, we will be out out of trouble in no time.
Nogood "not concentrated, isit" Boyo
The defenders have been playing with their heads on a swivel. There are times when they seem to be moving in slow motion or just observing while the offensive players are zipping the ball where-ever they wish. That's not an excuse for Stek, but the defense has more issues than his performance.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on December 21, 2013, 06:34:12 PM
Wait!! "Stek" is royalty on this board. One is not allowed to post a genuinely held view regarding him, nor compare him to Mark Schwarzer who Jol disgracefully GAVE to Chelsea.
I've been vilified for being critical of good ol' Stek because he is lauded in this tiny portion of the galaxy whether he fumbles a shot, gets beaten at the near post, reacts too late, or too soon, gets his angles wrong, palms the ball back into dangerous areas, or whatever.
That said, I'm not overly blaming him for any of the goals today apart from the fourth which somehow went through him.....
It's not so much in what you say, I think that it is the arrogant way you say it.
Quote from: Stefano Okaka Chuka on December 21, 2013, 07:21:38 PM
Err...did anybody saw the same game as me? He may be at fault for the third goal, but he pulled off a couple of good saves before and looked calm and assured. He has been surely one of our best players until now.
Agreed, he also made the most saves yesterday of any keeper in the league.
Stekelenburg was only at fault for the Navas goal.
People like to use the keeper as a scapegoat, it's an easy target to vent frustration.
Man City had far too much fire power for our ageing defence, it's that simple.
This is a tough one for me. One the one hand, he always appears to make some pretty good saves every match, but then he has of late made plenty of errors so I would say he should be dropped at Stockdale given a go again.
I'm a big fan of David and would like to see him play more. Saying that I doubt that he would have done better than Stekelenberg with either Everton or Man City
