Not only our stand-out performer this season, but also the man with the most heart, and the proudest man on the pitch. Week after week. Where is the negativity coming from?
Maybe cos he was ever present in a team that got battered every week, and topped it off with relegation. Best of a bad bunch, yes. The way forwards? Not on your Nelly
Agree with you Whiteroom; massively improved and scored vital goals (even if, in hindsight, inconsequential).
the only thing that i can say "bad" about him is that he should never have been in the conversation for player of the season.
he deserves that "accolade" in the context of our season however. played well for us and, really, has been the most consistent player for us in that regard. I like him and hope that he stays, but it's sounding like he has better, more lucrative opportunities. good for him if he takes them.
Quote from: Whiteroom on May 09, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Not only our stand-out performer this season, but also the man with the most heart, and the proudest man on the pitch. Week after week. Where is the negativity coming from?
Totally agree. only knocked by the arm chair brigade, you have to be there to see his passion..........and he is our leading goal scorer
Quote from: Whiteroom on May 09, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Not only our stand-out performer this season, but also the man with the most heart, and the proudest man on the pitch. Week after week. Where is the negativity coming from?
Yep, agreed, I think he's the one player who comes out of this dreadful season with most credit.
Quote from: Barrie on May 09, 2014, 06:16:46 PM
Quote from: Whiteroom on May 09, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Not only our stand-out performer this season, but also the man with the most heart, and the proudest man on the pitch. Week after week. Where is the negativity coming from?
Yep, agreed, I think he's the one player who comes out of this dreadful season with most credit.
really, I thought we only looked good when Ashkan played
Quote from: epsomraver on May 09, 2014, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Whiteroom on May 09, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Not only our stand-out performer this season, but also the man with the most heart, and the proudest man on the pitch. Week after week. Where is the negativity coming from?
Totally agree. only knocked by the arm chair brigade, you have to be there to see his passion..........and he is our leading goal scorer
I am an armchair fan here in China, but it is an embarrasement that any other player would win player of the season.... MILES AND MILES ahead of everyone else.
Quote from: Deanothefulhamfan on May 09, 2014, 06:23:36 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on May 09, 2014, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Whiteroom on May 09, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Not only our stand-out performer this season, but also the man with the most heart, and the proudest man on the pitch. Week after week. Where is the negativity coming from?
Totally agree. only knocked by the arm chair brigade, you have to be there to see his passion..........and he is our leading goal scorer
I am an armchair fan here in China, but it is an embarrasement that any other player would win player of the season.... MILES AND MILES ahead of everyone else.
As a fellow member of the armchair brigade I wholeheartedly support your post.
Because he can't pass and has no positional awareness and both Bryan Ruiz and Damien Duff had more assists than him even though they played in 1/3 of the games.
Look back to the beginning of the season and a lot of us thought a new midfielder would be brought in to replace Sidwell but although a number of players have been tried in the CM position
( Kasami, Diarra, Holtby, Karagounis, Boateng, Parker, Kvist) it is Sidwell who has been the 1st choice of all three of this seasons three managers.
Perhaps he is not every ones favourite player but his effort and consistency throughout this season is beyond question. Afraid none of the other 38 players who have played in the premiership for us this season can come anywhere near him.
Top man, great performer for Fulham, I hope he stays. A few teams could be interested. WestHam, Palace, QPR or Brighton if they get promoted. Arsenal...just kidding. :005:
Over the summer can someone take Kasami aside and tell him he could be a really good number 9 - a la Bob. He's big, strong, has a decent touch and is young. He needs a mentor - difficult in that squad I know - but he has it all going for him.
Quote from: MikeW on May 09, 2014, 07:58:33 PM
Over the summer can someone take Kasami aside and tell him he could be a really good number 9 - a la Bob. He's big, strong, has a decent touch and is young. He needs a mentor - difficult in that squad I know - but he has it all going for him.
MENTOR? He just needs a good coach. (Very much agree with you about his potential)
Sidwell = player of the season - by a mile
I'm a fan of Sidwell. He plays with heart and determination. He gives 100%. He seems to support his teammates in ways large and small. But his passing isn't great. And he gets drawn (or drifts) into odd locations on the pitch, leaving openings for opponents to exploit. He doesn't panic in the final third. And I agree he is much improved. It's rare to see a player improve like he has at his age. But he's a better player this year than last year.
Quote from: Whiteroom on May 09, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Not only our stand-out performer this season, but also the man with the most heart, and the proudest man on the pitch. Week after week. Where is the negativity coming from?
all good assets.....but can't pass water.
4th choice two years ago, now two years older, first choice and we are relegated.
Quote from: Whiteroom on May 09, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Not only our stand-out performer this season, but also the man with the most heart, and the proudest man on the pitch. Week after week. Where is the negativity coming from?
Totally agree. He would be my first name on the team sheet and I would bust a gut to sign him up for 2 years so he can Captain us back up to the Premiership during that time.
Agree 100%
Let us down at the tail end of last season by his behaviour but he made up for it...sought of bloke who would have been embarrassed about his antics...performed to the absolute maximum of his ability this season so what more can anyone want?....deserves a new contract and player of the season by a country mile.
coyw
I like him. He lacks the intelligence of someone like Murphy but works very hard and has scored some spectacular goals. He would be a massive boost in the Championship if the club can pull their collective head out of their arses and give him a 2 year contract. It's insulting that they sign players like Karagounis and Diarra but won't offer much younger and fitter players 2 years.
Maybe because his positioning is awful and his lack of quality is masked by his supposed 'passion'. A box to box midfielder who only goes to the opposition box. I'm sorry but he's simply never been good enough in my opinion.
I find it pretty grating how quite a few lob around 'armchair fan' whenever someone says anything remotely negative about Sidwell. He's the symptom of a deep-rooted problem in our tragically average midfield, and whilst he'll deserve his Player of the Season award, he really shouldn't have been near our starting XI at the beginning of the campaign.
Quote from: EJL on May 10, 2014, 12:33:14 AM
I find it pretty grating how quite a few lob around 'armchair fan' whenever someone says anything remotely negative about Sidwell. He's the symptom of a deep-rooted problem in our tragically average midfield, and whilst he'll deserve his Player of the Season award, he really shouldn't have been near our starting XI at the beginning of the campaign.
I agree with your 'armchair' quote. I usually see things in the highlights that I never spotted at the match itself so certainly don't think that absent fans are less qualified. But back to Sidders....
Quote from: JoeBartramFFC on May 09, 2014, 11:41:02 PM
Maybe because his positioning is awful and his lack of quality is masked by his supposed 'passion'. A box to box midfielder who only goes to the opposition box. I'm sorry but he's simply never been good enough in my opinion.
Does the fact that you're in a tiny minority make you wonder if you may be wrong?
Quote from: Scrumpy on May 10, 2014, 12:54:10 AM
Quote from: JoeBartramFFC on May 09, 2014, 11:41:02 PM
Maybe because his positioning is awful and his lack of quality is masked by his supposed 'passion'. A box to box midfielder who only goes to the opposition box. I'm sorry but he's simply never been good enough in my opinion.
Does the fact that you're in a tiny minority make you wonder if you may be wrong?
nope cos the league and performances this year don't lie. Cm is the most important position and all 5 of ours have been found wanting. Sidwell the best of the 5 yes, but we are still talking about a cm that can't pass, can't take on a player and only looks good because the alternatives are so bad. By all means give him player of the season, which isn't hard when the other 37 raised the bar sooo low. I for one am hoping for a brand cm partnership, as I couldn't take another season of watching the sidwell and Parker show. Now don't get me wrong, as a midfield destroyer, and one touch player he is OK, but give him more than one touch and you know your in trouble. Any how I don't think his style is what we need at all next season, and I'm hoping that we get the players to control a game as opposed to breaking one up
Quote from: EJL on May 10, 2014, 12:33:14 AM
I find it pretty grating how quite a few lob around 'armchair fan' whenever someone says anything remotely negative about Sidwell. He's the symptom of a deep-rooted problem in our tragically average midfield, and whilst he'll deserve his Player of the Season award, he really shouldn't have been near our starting XI at the beginning of the campaign.
What rubbish. We had Ruiz (crap) Taarabt (crap) Parker (ok for first ten games, then crap) Karagounis ( like him) and Sidwell. One of the best midfielders out of that lot.
Quote from: Cravenawin on May 10, 2014, 01:30:22 AM
Quote from: EJL on May 10, 2014, 12:33:14 AM
I find it pretty grating how quite a few lob around 'armchair fan' whenever someone says anything remotely negative about Sidwell. He's the symptom of a deep-rooted problem in our tragically average midfield, and whilst he'll deserve his Player of the Season award, he really shouldn't have been near our starting XI at the beginning of the campaign.
What rubbish
so you wasn't happy when we thought we was going to sign defour then?
Quote from: Cravenawin on May 10, 2014, 01:30:22 AM
Quote from: EJL on May 10, 2014, 12:33:14 AM
I find it pretty grating how quite a few lob around 'armchair fan' whenever someone says anything remotely negative about Sidwell. He's the symptom of a deep-rooted problem in our tragically average midfield, and whilst he'll deserve his Player of the Season award, he really shouldn't have been near our starting XI at the beginning of the campaign.
What rubbish. We had Ruiz (crap) Taarabt (crap) Parker (ok for first ten games, then crap) Karagounis ( like him) and Sidwell. One of the best midfielders out of that lot.
but there you go, best of a bad bunch. How many games did we have 50% or more possession?
We're mad because it's embarrassing that a midfielder who couldn't sniff a match for us two seasons ago was our best player this season thanks to horrible roster management and player regression.
I love the special one ninja and the special one ninja loves us. We'd be lucky to have him be our captain next year. End of.
edit - for some reason the word that starts with G and rhymes with minger auto changes itself to special one.
Quote from: Scrumpy on May 10, 2014, 12:54:10 AM
Quote from: JoeBartramFFC on May 09, 2014, 11:41:02 PM
Maybe because his positioning is awful and his lack of quality is masked by his supposed 'passion'. A box to box midfielder who only goes to the opposition box. I'm sorry but he's simply never been good enough in my opinion.
Does the fact that you're in a tiny minority make you wonder if you may be wrong?
Not at all, it's my opinion. His careless positioning has been one of the fundamental flaws of our side for the past 18 months ever since Diarra first got injured in 2012. He's a tryer, and a top bloke, but he should be a squad player which is of course what he was designated as by Jol in his first season. To lose Dembele, Murphy, Etuhu, Baird and essentially Diarra to end up with Sidwell was awful squad management and as i said, the only reason Sidwell gets praise is because he gets 'stuck in'. It's a constant problem we have as fans that we rate this over genuine ability and intelligence on the field. If a player is diving in to make a last-ditch tackle, the majority of the time it's because they are out of position in the first place. Never good enough and a real epitome as to why we are now no longer a top flight side.
Quote from: JoeBartramFFC on May 10, 2014, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: Scrumpy on May 10, 2014, 12:54:10 AM
Quote from: JoeBartramFFC on May 09, 2014, 11:41:02 PM
Maybe because his positioning is awful and his lack of quality is masked by his supposed 'passion'. A box to box midfielder who only goes to the opposition box. I'm sorry but he's simply never been good enough in my opinion.
Does the fact that you're in a tiny minority make you wonder if you may be wrong?
Not at all, it's my opinion. His careless positioning has been one of the fundamental flaws of our side for the past 18 months ever since Diarra first got injured in 2012. He's a tryer, and a top bloke, but he should be a squad player which is of course what he was designated as by Jol in his first season. To lose Dembele, Murphy, Etuhu, Baird and essentially Diarra to end up with Sidwell was awful squad management and as i said, the only reason Sidwell gets praise is because he gets 'stuck in'. It's a constant problem we have as fans that we rate this over genuine ability and intelligence on the field. If a player is diving in to make a last-ditch tackle, the majority of the time it's because they are out of position in the first place. Never good enough and a real epitome as to why we are now no longer a top flight side.
fp.gif Nothing to do with the 7 goals he has scored being always out of position
You can score goals and still have poor positional discipline in a defensive sense.
Quote from: epsomraver on May 10, 2014, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: JoeBartramFFC on May 10, 2014, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: Scrumpy on May 10, 2014, 12:54:10 AM
Quote from: JoeBartramFFC on May 09, 2014, 11:41:02 PM
Maybe because his positioning is awful and his lack of quality is masked by his supposed 'passion'. A box to box midfielder who only goes to the opposition box. I'm sorry but he's simply never been good enough in my opinion.
Does the fact that you're in a tiny minority make you wonder if you may be wrong?
Not at all, it's my opinion. His careless positioning has been one of the fundamental flaws of our side for the past 18 months ever since Diarra first got injured in 2012. He's a tryer, and a top bloke, but he should be a squad player which is of course what he was designated as by Jol in his first season. To lose Dembele, Murphy, Etuhu, Baird and essentially Diarra to end up with Sidwell was awful squad management and as i said, the only reason Sidwell gets praise is because he gets 'stuck in'. It's a constant problem we have as fans that we rate this over genuine ability and intelligence on the field. If a player is diving in to make a last-ditch tackle, the majority of the time it's because they are out of position in the first place. Never good enough and a real epitome as to why we are now no longer a top flight side.
fp.gif Nothing to do with the 7 goals he has scored being always out of position
We've conceded more than those seven goals due to the space left between the midfield and defence........
When Sidwell was 27 or so, he wasn't regularly starting for Aston Villa. At 29, he wasn't regularly starting for us. At 31, he's the team's "best" player this season? That's not because Steve suddenly got better as he moved past his prime age. It's because we're horrible. Seven goals or not, good effort or not, he was a central figure in a side that has conceded 83 goals in 37 league matches because of his lack of defensive positioning, discipline and passing ability. There's only so much you can ignore just because someone cares.
Quote from: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on May 09, 2014, 06:43:19 PM
Because he can't pass and has no positional awareness and both Bryan Ruiz and Damien Duff had more assists than him even though they played in 1/3 of the games.
Absoloutly right - Best of a very poor bunch and some seem to have short memories because he was not in many peoples starting eleven until the rest came down to his level. Still a part time player in games he should have been driving from the midfield. Championship squad player maybe but would blow it if we got near the top of the league because he is one of many old boys whos ambition now is Championship football for a year or two.
:plus one:
Quote from: Denver Fulham on May 10, 2014, 03:50:28 PM
When Sidwell was 27 or so, he wasn't regularly starting for Aston Villa. At 29, he wasn't regularly starting for us. At 31, he's the team's "best" player this season? That's not because Steve suddenly got better as he moved past his prime age. It's because we're horrible. Seven goals or not, good effort or not, he was a central figure in a side that has conceded 83 goals in 37 league matches because of his lack of defensive positioning, discipline and passing ability. There's only so much you can ignore just because someone cares.
Quote from: JDH101 on May 10, 2014, 03:02:14 AM
We'd be lucky to have him be our captain next year. End of.
I think so.
That he is probably our player of the season is an indictment of everyone else.
He's given it his all, but his all isn't in any way good enough.
He gives his best and will be a good championship player, but not good enough on the ball to be a premiership central midfielder in my opinion.
I think he did ok this season but tell me one game where he took the game by the scruff of the neck and was the star player? I can't remember one....
I always praise his effort.... But....
