Seen many reports that magath may be in line to move away from the club
but today I'm surprised to see that Oddschecker have posted that '' in 24 hours Felix Magath has been out from 33/1 to 9/2 to be the next southampton manager ''
If he leaves then i don't know how ill feel. It will absolutely confirm that our club is in absolute turmoil. 094.gif
Sure he might as well, everyone else is
I will drive him there
Don't worry - A Mackintosh has just done his coaching badges
Quote from: sunburywhite on June 04, 2014, 04:50:54 PM
I will drive him there
So you dont want him to stay?? Who, prey tell, can we get thats better than him?
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Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on June 04, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on June 04, 2014, 04:50:54 PM
I will drive him there
So you dont want him to stay?? Who, prey tell, can we get thats better than him?
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you know some ineffective tactician is going to say murphy dont you
Quote from: fulhamben on June 04, 2014, 05:01:55 PM
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on June 04, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on June 04, 2014, 04:50:54 PM
I will drive him there
So you dont want him to stay?? Who, prey tell, can we get thats better than him?
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you know some ineffective tactician is going to say murphy dont you
lol how do you get ineffective tactician from the word re.tard
Can't see it some how. The club has confirmed he's staying on, he's confirmed he's staying, it's the press putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 9. There will be another press release later saying that Magath's out of the running.
Why would they want him?
I think I want him to stay - don't I ?
Quote from: Baszab on June 04, 2014, 05:13:22 PM
I think I want him to stay - don't I ?
you should, getting another manager in now would set us back again
Isn't it the case that bookies deliberately shorten prices in order to make the naive think they have to 'get on' quick before the price goes odds on?
Quote from: EdenRob on June 04, 2014, 05:33:09 PM
Isn't it the case that bookies deliberately shorten prices in order to make the naive think they have to 'get on' quick before the price goes odds on?
ooh! what a wicked thought.
Quote from: Baszab on June 04, 2014, 04:50:59 PM
Don't worry - A Mackintosh has just done his coaching badges
You missread, it was "AM has just done his coach driving badges"
The way this club has been run in the last few years I really wouldn't be that shocked. Still if lose a manager and then wait until just before the season to have another one then the club will have the excuses all set up for why we struggle in the Championship.
I'm not saying that I want him to leave, and I'm not saying that I want him to stay.
But if he did go, my reaction would probably be to just shrug.
Quote from: Berserker on June 04, 2014, 05:12:39 PM
Why would they want him?
Because he's promised to keep them in the Premiership cos he's never been relegated
Also he's going to restore their home form - Fortress Saints
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on June 04, 2014, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Berserker on June 04, 2014, 05:12:39 PM
Why would they want him?
Because he's promised to keep them in the Premiership cos he's never been relegated
Also he's going to restore their home form - Fortress Saints
Ahh...but he has been relegated...with us!
Quote from: love4ffc on June 04, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on June 04, 2014, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Berserker on June 04, 2014, 05:12:39 PM
Why would they want him?
Because he's promised to keep them in the Premiership cos he's never been relegated
Also he's going to restore their home form - Fortress Saints
Ahh...but he has been relegated...with us!
:033: This is our chance!!
Felix will only leave when he gets problems with Mr Khan.
Let's not get too carried away with this loss. The outcome of the title race is still in our hands and we won't let it slip away."
"Everyone expected us to beat the bottom team but we went forward too much and forgot that they can also score goals."
"We were so sure we were the better team, we were so sure we would score, then we were handed one ourselves."
"I actually still thought we could pull it off until they scored the second goal."
It would save us sacking him in October when we're 14th.
Fulham face a fight to keep boss Felix Magath after refusing Southampton permission to speak to him.
The 60-year-old German will have to walk out on the west London Championship club if he wants to hold talks with the managerless Saints about a swift return to the Premier League.
Southampton want Magath to replace Mauricio Pochettino - who took over at Tottenham last month - by the end of next week.
They have already spoken to Feyenoord boss Ronald Koeman, too.
But while Koeman, rejected by Swansea, is desperate to work in the Premier League, MirrorFootball understands Southampton are particularly keen to speak to Magath - despite his relegation with the Cottagers this season.
Ex-Bayern Munich coach Magath has so far given his word to Fulham - and the club's fans - that he will continue to lead them despite their drop into the Championship.
However, Southampton believe Magath had little to work with at Craven Cottage - where he was the third manager of the season after Martin Jol and Rene Meulensteen were axed in December and February respectively - and could deliver better results with a squad of greater quality.
Fulham, though, want him to continue the process of restructuring their playing staff for a tilt at an automatic return to the top flight.
Captain and centre-half Brede Hangeland, 32, is among a clutch of players released by the club, who are ready to place their faith in youth next season.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-target-felix-magath-manager-3645778#ixzz33hnS5VFE (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-target-felix-magath-manager-3645778#ixzz33hnS5VFE)
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I wouldn't lose any sleep over it
I would be delighted. Get a bit of compensation for him before he's inevitably sacked before Christmas.
I think he will go
Gone from 33/1 to 7/2 on Sky Bet
I hope the last one out of the door remembers to lock it . . . after all, we don't want all of our trophies stolen !
Who do we go for if he leaves?
Lets hope he goes 049:gif
Quote from: Fulham76 on June 04, 2014, 11:06:04 PM
Who do we go for if he leaves?
John Collins or Chris Powell
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 04, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
Lets hope he goes 049:gif
I'm sorry mate, but if he goes, we're screwed. Far to late to start the rebuild with another manager. Can't believe what I'm reading on here and the negativity / hate towards Magath.
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 04, 2014, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on June 04, 2014, 11:06:04 PM
Who do we go for if he leaves?
John Collins or Chris Powell
Chris Powell nearly got Charlton relegated, John Collins isn't any better.
Quote from: love4ffc on June 04, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on June 04, 2014, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Berserker on June 04, 2014, 05:12:39 PM
Why would they want him?
Because he's promised to keep them in the Premiership cos he's never been relegated
Also he's going to restore their home form - Fortress Saints
Ahh...but he has been relegated...with us!
Errr - it was a joke!
A poor one maybe.....but never the less.....
Oh never mind
I'm not saying I want him to leave, but I have a bad feeling about this and think he could go.
Quote from: Admin on June 04, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 04, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
Lets hope he goes 049:gif
I'm sorry mate, but if he goes, we're screwed. Far to late to start the rebuild with another manager. Can't believe what I'm reading on here and the negativity / hate towards Magath.
Got to agree. If they want him & he wants to leave there's not a lot we can do about it, but right now, we look to be in a complete mess.
Quote from: Berserker on June 04, 2014, 11:12:17 PM
I'm not saying I want him to leave, but I have a bad feeling about this and think he could go.
If he was going to go, he'd have walked out at the end of the season, when Fulham were relegated. To come out and say he's staying, and he came here to build a team 'what ever division we were in' speaks volumes. At the end of the day, we can't stop Southampton searching for another manager, but for the club to block any approach straight away, also speaks volumes as well. To me, this is the bookies just getting everyone to lump money on Magath.
Quote from: Admin on June 04, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 04, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
Lets hope he goes 049:gif
I'm sorry mate, but if he goes, we're screwed. Far to late to start the rebuild with another manager. Can't believe what I'm reading on here and the negativity / hate towards Magath.
It's not too late, the new manager will have all of preseason to identify who he wants, if magath stays we won't have any players left.
The bloke is clueless
As for a new manager, Chris Powell did wonders at Charlton considering what he had to play with, as for John Collins, he will make a very good manager with attacking football
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 04, 2014, 11:25:40 PM
Quote from: Admin on June 04, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 04, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
Lets hope he goes 049:gif
I'm sorry mate, but if he goes, we're screwed. Far to late to start the rebuild with another manager. Can't believe what I'm reading on here and the negativity / hate towards Magath.
It's not too late, the new manager will have all of preseason to identify who he wants, if magath stays we won't have any players left.
The bloke is clueless
As for a new manager, Chris Powell did wonders at Charlton considering what he had to play with, as for John Collins, he will make a very good manager with attacking football
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I'm out of here before I say a bunch of stuff I shouldn't, and I'll be staying away for quite a while.
Well, IF this is true and the club have blocked this then it's certainly a positive change from the norm where we let clubs walk all over us. Maybe we're toughening up a bit.
Now we look inside Craven Cottage for the first game of the new season.
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Felix will stay. He said that at the end of the season and I would like to think that he is a man of his word. We have a fabulous academy and if he can use some gems and add additional signings then a rapid return to the Premier League would greatly enhance his reputation.
I have absolutely no problem if he goes whatsoever
well the poll at the bottom says the clubs fans don't want him, but what do they know they would still have Adkins if it was up to them
Saints fans! Do you fancy Felix Magath as boss?
•YES 27%
•NO 73%
We can't keep chopping and changing our manager and expect to do well next season. We need some continuity of management. We need to accept that we had a crap team ethic last year and an old team that could not be turned round. Magath is contracted to the end of next season. The club can and should make him stay even if he wants out. No idea if he does but I suspect he is a man of his word and will stay.
Because he's promised to keep them in the Premiership cos he's never been relegated
Also he's going to restore their home form - Fortress Saints
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Is this the same person who said "I didn't expect us to get anything against Spurs"
"I have been brought here to make sure we stay up"
"I promised the fans I will stay and rebuild the team"........................Thank you Felix
"I picked Burn at right back because......................................."
"I played Holtby (who mysteriously lost his form) on the right wing because.............."
"I left Dejagah on the bench because................................."
"I kept picking Bent because....................................)
" I played 4 different people at left back (excluding Briggs) because.........................."
"A lot of vot eye sed has been missunderstood becos my English is not very good..........................."
"Mitrologlou......................................Who ?"
Blah Blah
To the words of the Moody Blues "If you gotta go, Go Now"
I would absolutely love to see the notes, scribblings and plans of the powers that be with our first pre-season friendly in 6 weeks, yes 6 weeks !!
Quote from: Max Headroom on June 05, 2014, 12:17:41 AM
We can't keep chopping and changing our manager and expect to do well next season. We need some continuity of management. We need to accept that we had a crap team ethic last year and an old team that could not be turned round. Magath is contracted to the end of next season. The club can and should make him stay even if he wants out. No idea if he does but I suspect he is a man of his word and will stay.
But is it ever good to have someone who doesn't want to be here? -look at Berba.
Well, you always expect a pro to do a pro job, but I think I'd rather have a manager who was happy to be Fulham manager.
Awesome support for the manager and club as a whole guys....simply awesome.
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I'd assumed Felix does want to be Fulham manager - since he wanted to come here, and has said he wants to rebuild at Fulham even in the Championship.
But I was responding to comments that he should be forced to stay, even if he wants to leave for a Prem job - and I don't think this is a good idea.
Seriously, some comments on this board wind me up something rotten, but some of these just take the biscuit.
We have had three managers in the last season, we've been relegated, we've had wholesale changes with playing staff and backroom staff. It's been the most unsettled 12 months at the club for a very, very long time. Yet there are a few out there who would want further disharmony within the club, purely because you think Felix Magath "is clueless" and it was his fault we got relegated. What world do you live in? Seriously? I wanna go there on holiday.
Magath came to a sinking ship; he didn't have to, but he did. In the back of his mind, being a man of fair intellegence, he would have known it would be a near impossibility to keep us up. He came anyway. He tried and obvioulsy failed. In the close season so far, he has got rid of deadwood. There is no other way to describe the players who have departed. The ones that he has kept, he clearly thinks are capable of getting us straight back up.
He hasn't bought anyone, because the window has been open for 5 days. We're not in the final section of the transfer window, we're at the start. But, as usual, Magath is to blame for not signing 10 new players already. How dare he!! Can't he see Chelsea have spent 32 million on a new striker? Why haven't we????!!!
If the club have come out a refused to let Southampton speak to Magath, which by the way is in THE MIRROR!!, and Magath hasn't kicked up a fuss, then that tells me he isn't bothered.
I still don't understand why some of you can't have a little faith in the whole situation, have some patience with transfer signings and see what pans out. We clearly have a very good batch of youngsters coming through, which is very promising, we've been told the chairman is giving Magath money to spend; so why not just wait longer than the first week of the window to see what happens.
Or is that just boring, sensible me??!!
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on June 05, 2014, 06:56:26 AM
Seriously, some comments on this board wind me up something rotten, but some of these just take the biscuit.
We have had three managers in the last season, we've been relegated, we've had wholesale changes with playing staff and backroom staff. It's been the most unsettled 12 months at the club for a very, very long time. Yet there are a few out there who would want further disharmony within the club, purely because you think Felix Magath "is clueless" and it was his fault we got relegated. What world do you live in? Seriously? I wanna go there on holiday.
Magath came to a sinking ship; he didn't have to, but he did. In the back of his mind, being a man of fair intellegence, he would have known it would be a near impossibility to keep us up. He came anyway. He tried and obvioulsy failed. In the close season so far, he has got rid of deadwood. There is no other way to describe the players who have departed. The ones that he has kept, he clearly thinks are capable of getting us straight back up.
He hasn't bought anyone, because the window has been open for 5 days. We're not in the final section of the transfer window, we're at the start. But, as usual, Magath is to blame for not signing 10 new players already. How dare he!! Can't he see Chelsea have spent 32 million on a new striker? Why haven't we????!!!
If the club have come out a refused to let Southampton speak to Magath, which by the way is in THE MIRROR!!, and Magath hasn't kicked up a fuss, then that tells me he isn't bothered.
I still don't understand why some of you can't have a little faith in the whole situation, have some patience with transfer signings and see what pans out. We clearly have a very good batch of youngsters coming through, which is very promising, we've been told the chairman is giving Magath money to spend; so why not just wait longer than the first week of the window to see what happens.
Or is that just boring, sensible me??!!
Agree entirely. We seem to have some fans who post on here that only know how to knock rather than post something useful or positive.
Big Bad, the window doesn't open till 1st of July for certain.
For me I am neither for or against Felix, he came in when times were bad and it was a hard task, I don't think his record is much different to Jol or Rene this season (I thik he had 2 games less than them overall).
I did find some of his decisions very strange, Burn at RB, Holtby wide when he was playing well in midfield or behind the striker, all the chopping and changing every week some will say he had to I say after the Norwich and villa games we had a team that looked like they could win even with rodders (he I am not a fan of at all) but he just would not pick that settled side. When he took over he also said now is not the time for youth we need experienced players, then he went back to the younger players when it wasn't going right, when to us it was clear form the out set the older "experienced" players had not performed for most of the season. I think this is what some see and remember when they make some comments.
It is just frustration that our beloved club is relegated and looking in a mess.
He's made enough odd decisions and hollow promises to lose my faith in him. Big Bad, you wrote that he didn't have to come to this sinking ship. No one in Germany would take him. He had burned all of his domestic league bridges. In a sense, if wanted to manage, he did have to come. He doesn't make smart in-game adjustments. He ends up being hated by former players. The one trump card he had going for him was his previous record of avoiding relegation. Now that bubble has burst. He has long been linked with the story that he always wants total control. Maybe Khan won't give that to him now, and maybe another club will. But I realize that's just speculation.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on June 05, 2014, 04:07:50 AM
Because he's promised to keep them in the Premiership cos he's never been relegated
Also he's going to restore their home form - Fortress Saints
Is this the same person who said "I didn't expect us to get anything against Spurs"
"I have been brought here to make sure we stay up"
"I promised the fans I will stay and rebuild the team"........................Thank you Felix
"I picked Burn at right back because......................................."
"I played Holtby (who mysteriously lost his form) on the right wing because.............."
"I left Dejagah on the bench because................................."
"I kept picking Bent because....................................)
" I played 4 different people at left back (excluding Briggs) because.........................."
"A lot of vot eye sed has been missunderstood becos my English is not very good..........................."
"Mitrologlou......................................Who ?"
Blah Blah
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1) What he probably meant was he didn't have Spurs away down as any points when planning how many he needed.
2) Well he was brought in to keep us up, but it was a near impossible job and he turned us around well.
3)You can't say he's bar because he is showing loyalty.
4) I can't defend Burn at Right Back.
5)Dejagah was never fully fit, Duff was out so he had to play someone there and Holtby looked capable.
6) If you watched the Hull game you would've seen that despite coming on at around 65 mins he was out of breath by 80 minutes. He was never fully fit and if bringing him off the bench worked (which it did) why change it?
7)He didn't keep picking Bent! If you remember Bent actually complained about never playing. Eventually he played 1 match, but that's hardly enough to say kept picking.
8)Left Back has been a problem for the past seasons for us. He had to try and play different people there to see who worked best.
9) You definitely can't pass him off because he isn't fluent in English! Look at Pochetino, I know he can speak English a bit, he did a wonderful job with them and it paid off.
10) Mitroglou wasn't his signing, and was injured! I suppose that was Magath's fault now aswell?
I'm still smarting over Rene.
Our players needed a swift kick in the nuts for some of their performances. If he was hard on them, then good.
He was experimenting with players. He probably wanted to see if Burn could cover at RB because Reither was pants. He can obviously see the potential and wanted to give him game time, but with the experience of Hangeland and Heitinga in the middle. As for Holtby, he clearly doesn't rate him cos he shipped him out of Germany. He came out and said Lewis has no fight, and it proved right.
I don't doubt any decision Magath has made so far. I point the finger of blame, squarely at Jol. He caused the rot in the club which has had disastrous effect. I believe in Felix and he will prove me right.
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No one is a party to the so called odd decisions Magath made (burn etc). Maybe he realised the other players who were options had thrown in the towel, were injured or whatever.
The fact of the matter is that we are where we are. We either give Magath the opportunity to succeed with us or not.
Well he better stay or I will be depressed
Like Big Bad Billy, I find it interesting at a time when we have had 3 managers in a year, suffered a disastrous relegation and are now suffering the turmoil associated with having to cut our cloth accordingly as well as completely reshape the first team that people would be happy to see Felix walk away.
He has a better CV than most, he clearly has plans, we need the continuity, and as a mid-sized Championship club we are unlikely to attract anyone else of his calibre.
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on June 05, 2014, 07:38:58 AM
Our players needed a swift kick in the nuts for some of their performances. If he was hard on them, then good.
He was experimenting with players. He probably wanted to see if Burn could cover at RB because Reither was pants. He can obviously see the potential and wanted to give him game time, but with the experience of Hangeland and Heitinga in the middle. As for Holtby, he clearly doesn't rate him cos he shipped him out of Germany. He came out and said Lewis has no fight, and it proved right.
I don't doubt any decision Magath has made so far. I point the finger of blame, squarely at Jol. He caused the rot in the club which has had disastrous effect. I believe in Felix and he will prove me right.
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You don't think its unforgivable to play burn at rb (to experiment) in a game we had to win. If anything heitinga at rb and burn next to brede. If you don't rate holtby then you don't play him but instead he plays him out of position and sacrifices our best player in doing so.
Wba away- 1-0 up with 20 mins to go.... a clearly unfit mitroglu replaces hugo who was playing well, burn comes on and brede slots over, heitinga to rb, riether into midfield and it seemed when the music stopped stek in goal was supposed to go up front. Oh no wait thats musical chairs not musical positions.
Game after that hugo was dropped and not seen again until villa where believe it or not he scored. So in the games in between we had to suffer bent. Do you still trust him?
When a team is depending on you to keep them up with a handful of games left you make sure you picl your best team. The fact he chopped and changed every week and still didnt know what team to pick tells the story. A good manager would of found a winning formula sooner and been more consistant in his decisions. A good manager who understood england would of kept us up in my opinion.
I hope magath goes and quick so we can get in a british manager
Quote from: The Old Count on June 05, 2014, 07:44:52 AM
No one is a party to the so called odd decisions Magath made (burn etc). Maybe he realised the other players who were options had thrown in the towel, were injured or whatever.
The fact of the matter is that we are where we are. We either give Magath the opportunity to succeed with us or not.
Actually there is a third option - he chooses to leave us
The harsh fact is Magath has achieved nothing for FFC - yet
Neither did Jol
There is an old saying "respect has to be earned, it isn't "given"
Following the most dreadful, disastrous season most FFC fans simply want some sane plan put in place leading to a rebuild of the team by a manger who can (hopefully) prove he is able & capable
Where that will lead us who knows, we must wait & see
Because you were once successful in Germany, because you once managed Spurs, because you sometimes spout nonsense - none of that earns automatic respect
It's history & you are measured on what you achieve now, in the present
If Magath does chose option 3 & leaves us then we could do worse than get Sherwood who did so well @ Spurs & apparently tells it how it is
Of course what Mr Khan would think about that is another matter
Magath 7/4 second favourite with the bookies. And Maarten Jol is 33/1
Perfect job for Moyes I would have thought.
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I'm sorry mate, but if he goes, we're screwed. Far to late to start the rebuild with another manager. Can't believe what I'm reading on here and the negativity / hate towards Magath.
It's not too late, the new manager will have all of preseason to identify who he wants, if magath stays we won't have any players left.
The bloke is clueless
As for a new manager, Chris Powell did wonders at Charlton considering what he had to play with, as for John Collins, he will make a very good manager with attacking football
I think for the first time I have to disagree with you, Clueless is a bit harsh.I'm sure Liverpool fans thought the same of Roy, his issue there was inheriting a mess and pile of problem players much like Felix did. Roy went to West Brom and once again showed what a good manager he was, performed same miracle with them as he did with us turning them into a good team which slowly went downhill after he left.
I'll wait and see the Felix team and new players in pre season before I make a judgement, although I know you are in a better position to observe whats been going on I'm hoping this is a rare time when your call is misjudged.
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
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Lets hope he goes 049:gif
I'm sorry mate, but if he goes, we're screwed. Far to late to start the rebuild with another manager. Can't believe what I'm reading on here and the negativity / hate towards Magath.
It's not too late, the new manager will have all of preseason to identify who he wants, if magath stays we won't have any players left.
The bloke is clueless
As for a new manager, Chris Powell did wonders at Charlton considering what he had to play with, as for John Collins, he will make a very good manager with attacking football
I think for the first time I have to disagree with you, Clueless is a bit harsh.I'm sure Liverpool fans thought the same of Roy, his issue there was inheriting a mess and pile of problem players much like Felix did. Roy went to West Brom and once again showed what a good manager he was, performed same miracle with them as he did with us turning them into a good team which slowly went downhill after he left.
I'll wait and see the Felix team and new players in pre season before I make a judgement, although I know you are in a better position to observe whats been going on I'm hoping this is a rare time when your call is misjudged.
And the Liverpool faithful were spot on with their views on him cos he's done nothing since he left....
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Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
People are doubting Magaths abilities and saying we faired better under Rene. But Rene was an unproven and inexperience manager. Not ideal for a relegation battling team. Yes we played some decent stuff under Rene, but when it came down to it, he didn't have the nous to push us that extra yard. Not that Magath did in the limited amount of time he was given, but if he'd come instead of Rene, we'd have stayed up.
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Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on June 05, 2014, 09:31:54 AM
People are doubting Magaths abilities and saying we faired better under Rene. But Rene was an unproven and inexperience manager. Not ideal for a relegation battling team. Yes we played some decent stuff under Rene, but when it came down to it, he didn't have the nous to push us that extra yard. Not that Magath did in the limited amount of time he was given, but if he'd come instead of Rene, we'd have stayed up.
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The negativity about Magath is comical. The team were already beat and he tried what he could to wrench some results out of them when he came, including the odd mistake along the way.
He needs to be judged on his own team. Would you really rather have mackay/Powell/someone else teach us average championship football or a manager who has gone to the very top with contacts around Europe to build an exciting side?
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Quote from: Nero on June 05, 2014, 12:14:25 AM
well the poll at the bottom says the clubs fans don't want him, but what do they know they would still have Adkins if it was up to them
Saints fans! Do you fancy Felix Magath as boss?
YES 27%
NO 73%
I voted Yes in that poll!
If maggie had been given the transfer window, we would still be in the prem, but the powers that be left it far too late to save us.
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on June 05, 2014, 09:31:54 AM
People are doubting Magaths abilities and saying we faired better under Rene. But Rene was an unproven and inexperience manager. Not ideal for a relegation battling team. Yes we played some decent stuff under Rene, but when it came down to it, he didn't have the nous to push us that extra yard. Not that Magath did in the limited amount of time he was given, but if he'd come instead of Rene, we'd have stayed up.
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I'm not sure how you can justify that statement.
Rene left the squad in a better condition than he received it in, had them playing well enough to pick up points to Utd and very unlucky (a stupid tackle from Riether) not to do so against in form Liverpool. Rene had no time with the new squad which in my eyes was the best squad we had and it still didn't work.
I have faith in Felix but I don't see how saying if he'd come in before Rene he'd have kept us up. Its nonsense in my humble opinion. Rene wasn't perfect but at least we showed some signs of progression during his tenure, unlike Felix which for me, performances went downhill towards the end.
This isn't a spat on Felix as I wish to emphasise I hope he stays and steers the ship in the right direction but I can't see how Rene should be blamed for Felix's failure to spur those players to decent performances.
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Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
If you want to spout facts , get them right. Magath has been quoted in many interviews that he was hired to TRY & avoid relegation but that if that happened he would stay & rebuild.FACT
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Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on June 05, 2014, 09:31:54 AM
People are doubting Magaths abilities and saying we faired better under Rene. But Rene was an unproven and inexperience manager. Not ideal for a relegation battling team. Yes we played some decent stuff under Rene, but when it came down to it, he didn't have the nous to push us that extra yard. Not that Magath did in the limited amount of time he was given, but if he'd come instead of Rene, we'd have stayed up.
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I'm not sure how you can justify that statement.
Rene left the squad in a better condition than he received it in, had them playing well enough to pick up points to Utd and very unlucky (a stupid tackle from Riether) not to do so against in form Liverpool. Rene had no time with the new squad which in my eyes was the best squad we had and it still didn't work.
I have faith in Felix but I don't see how saying if he'd come in before Rene he'd have kept us up. Its nonsense in my humble opinion. Rene wasn't perfect but at least we showed some signs of progression during his tenure, unlike Felix which for me, performances went downhill towards the end.
This isn't a spat on Felix as I wish to emphasise I hope he stays and steers the ship in the right direction but I can't see how Rene should be blamed for Felix's failure to spur those players to decent performances.
What exactly could Magath do in the 12 games he had, with no option to buy or sell anyone? Rene had more chances than Magath in that respect, and still failed to impress. Yes, he was no mug and being 2nd at United for however many years is proof that he's a good coach. But being number 1, unproven in the role as it is, but coming to a club, limping at best in the premiership, he still didn't improve us enough. Had Magath come in instead, he might have installed fear and a certain work ethic into the players that had been missing for so long.
It's irrelevant now anyway, we're down, Magath is in charge and I for one and excited at being favourites for more than just relegation.
He was given an 18 month contract to keep us up. But from which league?
He has another 12 months to make sure we don't get relegated from the Championship - so he hasn't yet failed.
The problem with Rene, in my view, is that when he found himself in the top job his nerve failed. Bringing in Wilkins and Curbishley complicated things. Had Rene had the confidence to be his own man, he might well have been more successful and kept us up. On the other hand, had Felix been appointed instead of Rene I am sure he would have kept us up, as he'd have had the benefit of the January transfer window to strengthen the team, having seen it in action for quite a few games.
However, we are where we are and in my view Felix represents our best chance of getting promoted straight away. He should be able to do much as Jean Tigana did, and strengthen our team no end by adding currently unknown players, in his case from Germany rather than France.
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Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
If you want to spout facts , get them right. Magath has been quoted in many interviews that he was hired to TRY & avoid relegation but that if that happened he would stay & rebuild.FACT
Im not denying that the plan was for him to stay and rebuild but that was a secondary.motive. You were implying that we were down anyway and he wasnt brought into save us which is nonsense. The biggest FACT is he failed and I believe although everyone was to blame the games we threw away the points that would of kept us up were magaths fault wba away, hull home and stoke Fact
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Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
If you want to spout facts , get them right. Magath has been quoted in many interviews that he was hired to TRY & avoid relegation but that if that happened he would stay & rebuild.FACT
Im not denying that the plan was for him to stay and rebuild but that was a secondary.motive. You were implying that we were down anyway and he wasnt brought into save us which is nonsense. The biggest FACT is he failed and I believe although everyone was to blame the games we threw away the points that would of kept us up were magaths fault wba away, hull home and stoke Fact
We were down, lets admit It. There was no confidence, no belief and very little quality in the squad that would have kept us up. Magath was, in my opinion, in a no lose situation. Now he's virtually got a blank canvas with which to prove himself. And he knew that from the start. Simple as.
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Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
If you want to spout facts , get them right. Magath has been quoted in many interviews that he was hired to TRY & avoid relegation but that if that happened he would stay & rebuild.FACT
Im not denying that the plan was for him to stay and rebuild but that was a secondary.motive. You were implying that we were down anyway and he wasnt brought into save us which is nonsense. The biggest FACT is he failed and I believe although everyone was to blame the games we threw away the points that would of kept us up were magaths fault wba away, hull home and stoke Fact
We were down, lets admit It. There was no confidence, no belief and very little quality in the squad that would have kept us up. Magath was, in my opinion, in a no lose situation. Now he's virtually got a blank canvas with which to prove himself. And he knew that from the start. Simple as.
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We weren't down. Crystal Palace and Sunderland were in much worse situations after that and we had a better squad than Palace and arguably a better squad than Sunderland.
Magath was touted as a manager who had never been relegated. Why would he chose to lose that reputation?
He could easily have turned down the job and been in line for the Fulham job over the summer or the Southampton job, a PL job, now.
Pullis and Poyet both performed "miracles"-Magath didn't and despite the(too?) often quoted strange decisions I know I would rather see attempt rebuild Fulham...that is my "fact"
Quote from: west kowloon white on June 05, 2014, 01:02:55 PM
Pullis and Poyet both performed "miracles"-Magath didn't and despite the(too?) often quoted strange decisions I know I would rather see attempt rebuild Fulham...that is my "fact"
Performed miracles? Miracles are things like walking on water, healing the sick, and both Poyet and Pulis didn't perform that, that is a fact! What did happen, is that Pulis and Poyet had the benefits of good squads, a group of players that were prepared to fight and play for each other, grinding out good results. Magath inherited a poor squad, one that had been depleted for the past 2 seasons, who wouldn't even fight for the club if you stuck a rocket up their back sides. That is the difference, and that is a fact.
Quote from: west kowloon white on June 05, 2014, 01:02:55 PM
Pullis and Poyet both performed "miracles"-Magath didn't and despite the(too?) often quoted strange decisions I know I would rather see attempt rebuild Fulham...that is my "fact"
is West Kowloon the best part of Kowloon? Is that why you identify your location, a little bit of snobbishness perhaps? I may change my name on here to Pinnerwhite to separate myself from the ghastly dump that most of the rest of Harrow is.
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Quote from: west kowloon white on June 05, 2014, 01:02:55 PM
Pullis and Poyet both performed "miracles"-Magath didn't and despite the(too?) often quoted strange decisions I know I would rather see attempt rebuild Fulham...that is my "fact"
Performed miracles? Miracles are things like walking on water, healing the sick, and both Poyet and Pulis didn't perform that, that is a fact! What did happen, is that Pulis and Poyet had the benefits of good squads, a group of players that were prepared to fight and play for each other, grinding out good results. Magath inherited a poor squad, one that had been depleted for the past 2 seasons, who wouldn't even fight for the club if you stuck a rocket up their back sides. That is the difference, and that is a fact.
Also, Poyet had games in hand.
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Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
If you want to spout facts , get them right. Magath has been quoted in many interviews that he was hired to TRY & avoid relegation but that if that happened he would stay & rebuild.FACT
Im not denying that the plan was for him to stay and rebuild but that was a secondary.motive. You were implying that we were down anyway and he wasnt brought into save us which is nonsense. The biggest FACT is he failed and I believe although everyone was to blame the games we threw away the points that would of kept us up were magaths fault wba away, hull home and stoke Fact
We were down, lets admit It. There was no confidence, no belief and very little quality in the squad that would have kept us up. Magath was, in my opinion, in a no lose situation. Now he's virtually got a blank canvas with which to prove himself. And he knew that from the start. Simple as.
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We weren't down. Crystal Palace and Sunderland were in much worse situations after that and we had a better squad than Palace and arguably a better squad than Sunderland.
Magath was touted as a manager who had never been relegated. Why would he chose to lose that reputation?
He could easily have turned down the job and been in line for the Fulham job over the summer or the Southampton job, a PL job, now.
Obviously we didn't have a better squad than Palace and Sunderland, because they survived and we didnt. None of out players looked distraught and like the club they wanted to play for had just been relegated. Its us fans qho bicker amongst ourselves, trying to pin point what went wrong, when the extremely well paid players failed and are miffed when they get sacked.
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Quote from: west kowloon white on June 05, 2014, 01:02:55 PM
Pullis and Poyet both performed "miracles"-Magath didn't and despite the(too?) often quoted strange decisions I know I would rather see attempt rebuild Fulham...that is my "fact"
Performed miracles? Miracles are things like walking on water, healing the sick, and both Poyet and Pulis didn't perform that, that is a fact! What did happen, is that Pulis and Poyet had the benefits of good squads, a group of players that were prepared to fight and play for each other, grinding out good results. Magath inherited a poor squad, one that had been depleted for the past 2 seasons, who wouldn't even fight for the club if you stuck a rocket up their back sides. That is the difference, and that is a fact.
Really? Palace and Sunderland good squads? How many of their players would you want to join us in the Championship let alone if we were still in the PL?
And, on paper, was ours a poor squad?
No, the difference was that their managers got them to play to nearer the best of their abilities and play together and for each other and the fans.
And our manager and our players didn't do that.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fulhams-relegation-fighters-cannot-feel-sorry-3467518 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fulhams-relegation-fighters-cannot-feel-sorry-3467518) :
"Manager Felix Magath was blaming predecessors Rene Meulensteen and Martin Jol – "it is over the whole season, what has been going wrong" – for Fulham's complete inability to defend. ...
In 2008, then-boss Roy Hodgson talked with tears in his eyes when, at one stage, he feared his team might run out of matches before they could pull to safety."
What could Felix have done against that "complete inability to defend"? Crying would not have helped.
When Felix came in the squad were on a high after some cracking performances against top clubs so thats not factual...
Quote from: FFC1987 on June 05, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
When Felix came in the squad were on a high after some cracking performances against top clubs so thats not factual...
Yes, we were on the back of some good old heroic defeats, and good old heavy spankings, both and home and away. However you look at it, we were utter pony from start to finish, and were always going down like the Titanic - with or without Magath. That squad had never been on a high since the good old Roy days.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on June 05, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
When Felix came in the squad were on a high after some cracking performances against top clubs so thats not factual...
Yes, we were on the back of some good old heroic defeats, and good old heavy spankings, both and home and away. However you look at it, we were utter pony from start to finish, and were always going down like the Titanic - with or without Magath. That squad had never been on a high since the good old Roy days.
I don't disagree but if picking up a point at old trafford and narrowly losing to the best in form in the league putting on a very decent display, doesn't instill some confidence, I don't know what will.
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on June 05, 2014, 07:59:58 AM
The harsh fact is Magath has achieved nothing for FFC - yet
There is an old saying "respect has to be earned, it isn't "given"
Following the most dreadful, disastrous season most FFC fans simply want some sane plan put in place leading to a rebuild of the team by a manger who can (hopefully) prove he is able & capable
...we could do worse than get Sherwood who did so well @ Spurs & apparently tells it how it is
If Magath had been in charge for, say, 500 matches and achieved nothing or had he, say, released twenty players and brought in twenty in a short space of time and we were no better for it, these could be looked upon as 'harsh' facts. The fact, however, that he failed to save from relegation with just 12 games remaining - though perhaps 'disappointing' - is hardly an indictment of his managerial abilities.
Moreover, while the old saying about respect is a truism that we all know, what does have to be 'given', of course, is enough time to earn it. And, for Magath, this has to cover the time for his plan (whatever it may be) to have a lasting impact.
As for 'telling it as it is', how valuable a quality is this? For every highly-regarded manager who speaks his mind, there are surely just as many who have found that it has made little or no difference and who may even have done better to be more diplomatic at times. There are, in my opinion, a number of more vital attributes in a manager than the willingness to 'tell it as it is'.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on June 05, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
When Felix came in the squad were on a high after some cracking performances against top clubs so thats not factual...
Yes, we were on the back of some good old heroic defeats, and good old heavy spankings, both and home and away. However you look at it, we were utter pony from start to finish, and were always going down like the Titanic - with or without Magath. That squad had never been on a high since the good old Roy days.
I don't disagree but if picking up a point at old trafford and narrowly losing to the best in form in the league putting on a very decent display, doesn't instill some confidence, I don't know what will.
those two results..both back to the wall games where we still conceded five goals...were irrelevant, decision had already been made to replace Rene at end of January. Took longer to get Magath than planned.
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All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
If you want to spout facts , get them right. Magath has been quoted in many interviews that he was hired to TRY & avoid relegation but that if that happened he would stay & rebuild.FACT
Im not denying that the plan was for him to stay and rebuild but that was a secondary.motive. You were implying that we were down anyway and he wasnt brought into save us which is nonsense. The biggest FACT is he failed and I believe although everyone was to blame the games we threw away the points that would of kept us up were magaths fault wba away, hull home and stoke Fact
Appreciate what you saying here, but at WBA how is a goal keeping error Magath's fault, and against Hull the players gave the game away not the manager, Stoke well i guess was a bit odd, but then again he had the guts to try something.
Had Magath been here before January transfer window closed we could have had many different signings, but as people stated then as well, how many players would be looking for a transfer to a relegated threathned club? And how many players would be available, maybe Magath would have done alot then, but he never had that possibility, but I wonder what the next transfer window will bring in, and I surely hope we see alot coming in, creative, offensive, goal scoring, team based player who work well together and not least a strong deffence line. I think and hope Magath can do it, I just hope we start seeing something soon, some rumors or even knews about signings, Championship starts early and we need all those new players to have been having some pre matches to get into a well driven team!
Quote from: K33NY on June 05, 2014, 04:01:18 PM
I just hope we start seeing something soon, some rumors or even knews about signings...
Maybe we shall.
As I understand, however, a player who is contracted to his current Club until the end of this month (as is the norm), cannot officially join us until July 1st. It is almost certainly the case that we are already speaking to players (and some may even have agreed - verbally - to join us), but the Club may take the view that to go public with such information at this time would not, on balance, be a wise step.
A small point but isn't it a bit of a liberty that someone (probably from Southampton) has allowed the information that they wanted to approach our manager was rebuffed, but thereby letting Magath know a Premier League club wants him???
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Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
If you want to spout facts , get them right. Magath has been quoted in many interviews that he was hired to TRY & avoid relegation but that if that happened he would stay & rebuild.FACT
Im not denying that the plan was for him to stay and rebuild but that was a secondary.motive. You were implying that we were down anyway and he wasnt brought into save us which is nonsense. The biggest FACT is he failed and I believe although everyone was to blame the games we threw away the points that would of kept us up were magaths fault wba away, hull home and stoke Fact
Appreciate what you saying here, but at WBA how is a goal keeping error Magath's fault, and against Hull the players gave the game away not the manager, Stoke well i guess was a bit odd, but then again he had the guts to try something.
Wba we were comfortable and the better team until felix took off hugo for mitroglu and brought on burn. He then shifted brede over to the right, heitinga over to rb, riether from rb into cm and holtby from the number 10to the left wing. You could see the players had no clue what to do and from then on it was constant pressure from wba. Felix had killed any outlet we had and eventually they broke us down.
hull, firstly dejagah and richardson were both subs. At half time he had no choice but to bring them both on as we were awful. That wasted 2 subs, as if that wasnt bad enough.... an injured sidwell at half time carried on playing and holtby was subbed instead. After just 5mins on the 2nd half sidwell had to come off and we brought on bent leaving 40mins with no more subs. We go 2-0 up and because we have hugo and bent up top he couldnt change it, this meant diarra had to carry on even though magath must of been fully aware diarra would struggle in a 3in midfield for 90mins let alone a two with parker.
both these games were lost by poor management of the situation, something magath is paid to do. I can accept his english not being very good or he doesnt know how english clubs operate especially the hulls and wba but his mistakes were a joke for someone with his reputation.
dont even get me started on stoke. A draw at stoke and an extra 4 from the other games would of changed everything. Thats why I said it
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: alfie on June 05, 2014, 03:55:30 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 12:33:01 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
If you want to spout facts , get them right. Magath has been quoted in many interviews that he was hired to TRY & avoid relegation but that if that happened he would stay & rebuild.FACT
Im not denying that the plan was for him to stay and rebuild but that was a secondary.motive. You were implying that we were down anyway and he wasnt brought into save us which is nonsense. The biggest FACT is he failed and I believe although everyone was to blame the games we threw away the points that would of kept us up were magaths fault wba away, hull home and stoke Fact
Appreciate what you saying here, but at WBA how is a goal keeping error Magath's fault, and against Hull the players gave the game away not the manager, Stoke well i guess was a bit odd, but then again he had the guts to try something.
Wba we were comfortable and the better team until felix took off hugo for mitroglu and brought on burn. He then shifted brede over to the right, heitinga over to rb, riether from rb into cm and holtby from the number 10to the left wing. You could see the players had no clue what to do and from then on it was constant pressure from wba. Felix had killed any outlet we had and eventually they broke us down.
hull, firstly dejagah and richardson were both subs. At half time he had no choice but to bring them both on as we were awful. That wasted 2 subs, as if that wasnt bad enough.... an injured sidwell at half time carried on playing and holtby was subbed instead. After just 5mins on the 2nd half sidwell had to come off and we brought on bent leaving 40mins with no more subs. We go 2-0 up and because we have hugo and bent up top he couldnt change it, this meant diarra had to carry on even though magath must of been fully aware diarra would struggle in a 3in midfield for 90mins let alone a two with parker.
both these games were lost by poor management of the situation, something magath is paid to do. I can accept his english not being very good or he doesnt know how english clubs operate especially the hulls and wba but his mistakes were a joke for someone with his reputation.
dont even get me started on stoke. A draw at stoke and an extra 4 from the other games would of changed everything. Thats why I said it
At WBA they were all over us straight from the second half kick off and although he made the changes you said he could not alter the way the game was going. Riether to CM made sense for him as he knew SR could play there and had done so for him in the past. In the end a GK made a mistake and that was that. But fair play to WBA they were the better team 2nd half.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 05, 2014, 04:34:10 PM
A small point but isn't it a bit of a liberty that someone (probably from Southampton) has allowed the information that they wanted to approach our manager was rebuffed, but thereby letting Magath know a Premier League club wants him???
Doh, don't you think somebody would have sounded him out already (unofficially)
Any update? Has he gone yet?
Quote from: MJG on June 05, 2014, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: alfie on June 05, 2014, 03:55:30 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 12:33:01 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
If you want to spout facts , get them right. Magath has been quoted in many interviews that he was hired to TRY & avoid relegation but that if that happened he would stay & rebuild.FACT
Im not denying that the plan was for him to stay and rebuild but that was a secondary.motive. You were implying that we were down anyway and he wasnt brought into save us which is nonsense. The biggest FACT is he failed and I believe although everyone was to blame the games we threw away the points that would of kept us up were magaths fault wba away, hull home and stoke Fact
Appreciate what you saying here, but at WBA how is a goal keeping error Magath's fault, and against Hull the players gave the game away not the manager, Stoke well i guess was a bit odd, but then again he had the guts to try something.
Wba we were comfortable and the better team until felix took off hugo for mitroglu and brought on burn. He then shifted brede over to the right, heitinga over to rb, riether from rb into cm and holtby from the number 10to the left wing. You could see the players had no clue what to do and from then on it was constant pressure from wba. Felix had killed any outlet we had and eventually they broke us down.
hull, firstly dejagah and richardson were both subs. At half time he had no choice but to bring them both on as we were awful. That wasted 2 subs, as if that wasnt bad enough.... an injured sidwell at half time carried on playing and holtby was subbed instead. After just 5mins on the 2nd half sidwell had to come off and we brought on bent leaving 40mins with no more subs. We go 2-0 up and because we have hugo and bent up top he couldnt change it, this meant diarra had to carry on even though magath must of been fully aware diarra would struggle in a 3in midfield for 90mins let alone a two with parker.
both these games were lost by poor management of the situation, something magath is paid to do. I can accept his english not being very good or he doesnt know how english clubs operate especially the hulls and wba but his mistakes were a joke for someone with his reputation.
dont even get me started on stoke. A draw at stoke and an extra 4 from the other games would of changed everything. Thats why I said it
At WBA they were all over us straight from the second half kick off and although he made the changes you said he could not alter the way the game was going. Riether to CM made sense for him as he knew SR could play there and had done so for him in the past. In the end a GK made a mistake and that was that. But fair play to WBA they were the better team 2nd half.
well I was there and I can promise you his subs made the wba pressure worse. And riether in cm maybe in the bundesliga but not in the premiership where he has only played at rb. We were winning, he had kvist on the bench. It made no sense to swap 4 positions in one sub. Why do I have to justify that? This is a manager who played a 20year old at rb when they are a left footed cb. up against a tricky quick winger and burn is lanky and not that mobile. Even my nan would of opted for a different choice
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 06:21:05 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 05, 2014, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: alfie on June 05, 2014, 03:55:30 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 12:33:01 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 05, 2014, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: grandad on June 05, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
All this is, is a clever ploy by the bookies. It is tempting mugs to put money on Felix so when someone else gets the job they earn fist fulls. I can´t believe the usual "Manager Out" few will not give Felix time to build HIS squad. He did not come to us to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild. He had only 12 games with an inherited dreadful squad. He has started to rebuild by getting rid of players who are either past it or will not make the grade.
I will reserve judgement until nearer the season. The real problem will be how much influence Mackintosh will have over Felix´s wish list. This is the only reason Felix may walk.
Congratulations! You win the funniest quote of the week award.
"Felix did not come in to keep us up as the writing was already on the wall. He came to rebuild" hahahahaha.
So khan had waved the white flag with 12 games to go in february? And an 18month contract doesn't strike me as a contract length to rebuild. Who can build anything in that time?
Fact is magath was only brought in to keep us up, hence why we heard everyday about his record of never being relegated. He simply failed to meet his only objective and now because of that failure and the fact wages and costs have to be cut, it has become a massive rebuild. In the long term it might not be such a bad thing to have to rebuild but believe me that was the last thing khan/ mac cared about when they appointed him.
If you want to spout facts , get them right. Magath has been quoted in many interviews that he was hired to TRY & avoid relegation but that if that happened he would stay & rebuild.FACT
Im not denying that the plan was for him to stay and rebuild but that was a secondary.motive. You were implying that we were down anyway and he wasnt brought into save us which is nonsense. The biggest FACT is he failed and I believe although everyone was to blame the games we threw away the points that would of kept us up were magaths fault wba away, hull home and stoke Fact
Appreciate what you saying here, but at WBA how is a goal keeping error Magath's fault, and against Hull the players gave the game away not the manager, Stoke well i guess was a bit odd, but then again he had the guts to try something.
Wba we were comfortable and the better team until felix took off hugo for mitroglu and brought on burn. He then shifted brede over to the right, heitinga over to rb, riether from rb into cm and holtby from the number 10to the left wing. You could see the players had no clue what to do and from then on it was constant pressure from wba. Felix had killed any outlet we had and eventually they broke us down.
hull, firstly dejagah and richardson were both subs. At half time he had no choice but to bring them both on as we were awful. That wasted 2 subs, as if that wasnt bad enough.... an injured sidwell at half time carried on playing and holtby was subbed instead. After just 5mins on the 2nd half sidwell had to come off and we brought on bent leaving 40mins with no more subs. We go 2-0 up and because we have hugo and bent up top he couldnt change it, this meant diarra had to carry on even though magath must of been fully aware diarra would struggle in a 3in midfield for 90mins let alone a two with parker.
both these games were lost by poor management of the situation, something magath is paid to do. I can accept his english not being very good or he doesnt know how english clubs operate especially the hulls and wba but his mistakes were a joke for someone with his reputation.
dont even get me started on stoke. A draw at stoke and an extra 4 from the other games would of changed everything. Thats why I said it
At WBA they were all over us straight from the second half kick off and although he made the changes you said he could not alter the way the game was going. Riether to CM made sense for him as he knew SR could play there and had done so for him in the past. In the end a GK made a mistake and that was that. But fair play to WBA they were the better team 2nd half.
well I was there and I can promise you his subs made the wba pressure worse. And riether in cm maybe in the bundesliga but not in the premiership where he has only played at rb. We were winning, he had kvist on the bench. It made no sense to swap 4 positions in one sub. Why do I have to justify that? This is a manager who played a 20year old at rb when they are a left footed cb. up against a tricky quick winger and burn is lanky and not that mobile. Even my nan would of opted for a different choice
I was there as well and I don't think the subs changed the game one way or another, but that's just my view. He had been at yjw club for a week and knew SR and probably trusted him more than Kvist.
As for the Burn at RB.I think this had to do with Riether and an argument prior to the game. Would I have played him there? well no, but I can give you a reason and its similar to your views on the WBA changes. One for one change to not disrupt the central pairing.
But we could list every manager and weird picks by them.
Quote from: win-dup on June 05, 2014, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: west kowloon white on June 05, 2014, 01:02:55 PM
Pullis and Poyet both performed "miracles"-Magath didn't and despite the(too?) often quoted strange decisions I know I would rather see attempt rebuild Fulham...that is my "fact"
is West Kowloon the best part of Kowloon? Is that why you identify your location, a little bit of snobbishness perhaps? I may change my name on here to Pinnerwhite to separate myself from the ghastly dump that most of the rest of Harrow is.
Screwed up that...anyway miracles had ". " for a reason and no not a snob ,just reference to an area -is Epsom or Sunbury a snob qualifier?Couldn't think of anything original at the time and no longer live there anymore and will sign off.
Quote from: west kowloon white on June 05, 2014, 07:06:35 PMScrewed up that...anyway miracles had ". " for a reason and no not a snob ,just reference to an area -is Epsom or Sunbury a snob qualifier?Couldn't think of anything original at the time and no longer live there anymore and will sign off.
Don't worry about a name, I could have called myself 'Arm not Armpit part of Swindon' but called myself Berserker as I like the chesspiece. Wind-up is just being well a wind-up
I personally think Pulis and Poyet did well, I'm still not sure about Felix but don't want another change of manager
Thank you mod-seems a few angry characters have crept on to this site but no reason anyone should know that West Kowloon is the real name of a real area albeit reclaimed land.Why the mild abuse ?
Should remain a forum about a game-used to be a good,amusing read.
Quote from: west kowloon white on June 05, 2014, 07:06:35 PM
Screwed up that...anyway miracles had ". " for a reason and no not a snob ,just reference to an area -is Epsom or Sunbury a snob qualifier?Couldn't think of anything original at the time and no longer live there anymore and will sign off.
No it is where I live, I suspect Sunbury white lives in Sunbury, Not sure what people have against the name West Kowloon white, that is where you live and that is the name you choose, imagine being Swindon white! 086.gif
Quote from: epsomraver on June 05, 2014, 11:03:04 PM
Quote from: west kowloon white on June 05, 2014, 07:06:35 PM
Screwed up that...anyway miracles had ". " for a reason and no not a snob ,just reference to an area -is Epsom or Sunbury a snob qualifier?Couldn't think of anything original at the time and no longer live there anymore and will sign off.
No it is where I live, I suspect Sunbury white lives in Sunbury, Not sure what people have against the name West Kowloon white, that is where you live and that is the name you choose, imagine being Swindon white! 086.gif
Be careful I'm a Berserker :58:
