Group stage - Group D - Matches
| Uruguay vs Costa Rica | | stadio CastelaoFortaleza (BRA) | | 14 Jun 2014 - 16:00 Local time |
| England vs Italy | | Arena AmazoniaManaus (BRA) | | 14 Jun 2014 - 18:00 Local time |
| Uruguay vs England | | Arena CorinthiansSao Paulo (BRA) | | 19 Jun 2014 - 16:00 Local time |
| Italy vs Costa Rica | | Arena PernambucoRecife (BRA) | | 20 Jun 2014 - 13:00 Local time |
| Italy vs Uruguay | | Estadio das DunasNatal (BRA) | | 24 Jun 2014 - 13:00 Local time |
| Costa Rica vs England | | Estadio MineiraoBelo Horizonte (BRA) | | 24 Jun 2014 - 13:00 Local time |
Please use this thread for ALL Group D matches or Team/Player discussions
June 22 2014
| Group D | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| Country | | GP | | W | | D | | L | | GF | | GA | | GD | | PTS |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| Costa Rica | | 2 | | 2 | | 0 | | 0 | | 4 | | 1 | | 3 | | 6 |
| Italy | | 2 | | 1 | | 0 | | 1 | | 2 | | 2 | | 0 | | 3 |
| Uruguay | | 2 | | 1 | | 0 | | 1 | | 3 | | 4 | | -1 | | 3 |
| England | | 2 | | 0 | | 0 | | 2 | | 2 | | 4 | | -2 | | 0 |
How am I going to persuade Mr B to watch the England game, maybe if I tell him Itsly are likely to win!
http://www.private-eye.co.uk/current_issue.php (http://www.private-eye.co.uk/current_issue.php)
Private Eye front cover - cruel but funny.
Regardless of finishing first or second they will play columbia, ivory coast, japan or greece depending who finishes where in both groups.
In the quarters assuming brazil win their group it will most likely be
If we win group- runner up of group A (either mexico/croatia) or winner of group B which is most likely holland/chile.
If we are 2nd- winner of group A- brazil probably or runner up of holland/chile/spain.
What path should we take? I think the fact brazil won vs croatia means they will win their group so i reckon we need to win ours and battle the dutch. But maybe im dreaming to even get that far
Look out for Mexico.. They should have thrashed Cameroon and had two legitimately good goals ruled off for offside and still won and that was in the pouring rain.
...for the first time in years I am looking forward to seeing an England team play - no more media talk about our great world class players, no more talk of the tarnished golden generation that consistently let us down. The expectations are low and so any achievements will be magnified, and no doubt the press will take every scenario out of all proportion. The kids will do there very best, they will have been drilled by Roy Hodgson and Ray Lewington as to what they should do, how to play, who to cover etc., and they will be trained not to be world beaters, but how to become difficult to beat. It may not be spectacular, it may even be boring, but the results are not so much for this event, but for International events that will follow. Get behind them, COME ON ENGLAND..!
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Stand up for Roy Hodgson :clap_hands:
Stand Up For Roy Hodgson Fulham FC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6ZxDxFZkc#)
Quote from: General on June 14, 2014, 10:41:26 AM
Look out for Mexico.. They should have thrashed Cameroon and had two legitimately good goals ruled off for offside and still won and that was in the pouring rain.
Mexico are tissue thin and fragile. If they get out of their group, they're down in the next match.
No Buffon in goal for Italy tonight.
If Bryan Ruiz and Diego Forlan both get their legs broken tonight, I would be so happy
Just heard that our old boy John Marshall is preparing a dossier for Roy on the Costa Rica match. That´s 3 ex Fulham people in the England set up.
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 14, 2014, 08:02:29 PM
If Bryan Ruiz and Diego Forlan both get their legs broken tonight, I would be so happy
All entitled to their opinion I suppose, but I'd say we'd probably be better off without this one.
Yes 2-1 Costa Rica - brilliant
And our Bryan won the free kick so does that count as an assist.
Go on Bryan !!! :54:
Making the group interesting !!!
Anyone hope he stays on with Fulham in Championship? I certainly wouldn't mind him. I know he is a bit of a light weight show pony, but I still like the guy in Fulham white, especially for promotional purposes.
got knocked off the ball about 15 minutes ago....all too familiar.....don't think he can handle the Championship, he did manage to keep from diving though when pushed from behind...always respected the fact he didn't fall down like a sack of potatoes when he was pushed around....his game has integrity and flair, just wish he had a stronger frame.
Pulling for Costa Rica, hoping Bryan can get their third goal to be sure they get the points.
England's path out of this group just got a lot easier
There are always one or two players that make their name at a World Cup. Would love to see us go for the Joel Campbell chap. Has been outstanding for Costa Rica. Get him and keep bryan!!
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 14, 2014, 08:02:29 PM
If Bryan Ruiz and Diego Forlan both get their legs broken tonight, I would be so happy
You really ARE a sick puppy
Have you checked out this
http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/first-team (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/first-team)
Quote from: RidgeRider on June 14, 2014, 09:44:37 PM
England's path out of this group just got a lot easier
Do you mean out as going home out?
pereira sent off.... good for england
Quote from: grandad on June 14, 2014, 09:47:53 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on June 14, 2014, 09:44:37 PM
England's path out of this group just got a lot easier
Do you mean out as going home out?
I meant 'out' as they get out of the group and move on in the tournament....something I want to see. Yank talk I guess.......
Quote from: Barrett487 on June 14, 2014, 09:56:30 PM
pereira sent off.... good for england
I thought Pereira had the look of a thug what with that little string of a beard and a bald head. I know he'll say he was going for the ball and missed but it looked deliberate to me. He didn't argue did he?
good run by Sturridge
Sturridge looking very dangerous
I think the England match is a bit boring. Might go to bed at half time if things don't liven up
Claire, its been very entertaining I think. Great cross by Rooney, what a goal!
Welbeck and Sturridge need to defend. those two are very lazy on defense putting all the defensive pressure on the midfield and back four...Hodgson can't be too happy with those two at the moment...might be the heat but those two need step it up and put some pressure on the Italians as they start their buildup
Blimey, we were poor in those left and right back positions in the first half, so what was said at half time?? Baines pushing to high again, and the useless Johnson sucked into the middle again Text book, only got ourselves to blame.
seems like they are charging Johnson up the right and holding a midfielder in defense, not much building up through the middle
Barkley on in a bit
Sturridge is dangerous
Anyone seen Henderson
Both Baines and Johnson have been terrible tonight, out of position on so many occasions when they should cutting those channels out.
Quote from: Admin on June 15, 2014, 12:24:33 AM
Both Baines and Johnson have been terrible tonight, out of position on so many occasions when they should cutting those channels out.
agreed, seems Roy has Gerard playing a holding position, not really pulling the strings in attack, really only attacking down the right
Henderson has been very quiet
Henderson off, Wilshire on
that was the worst corner kick I've ever seen...wow, think Rooney should give the ball to Baines in those situations
Corner of the year fp.gif...and now pass of the year.
wth is going on with England? 3 of the worst passes following the worst corner of 2014. Has to be fatigue
Quote from: RidgeRider on June 15, 2014, 12:42:36 AM
wth is going on with England? 3 of the worst passes following the worst corner of 2014. Has to be fatigue
probably the same things for the last 40.years or so. Big egos all.wanting to be the hero tryinv to do what will.make them great and not the team
Getting embarrassing now, being jeered by the crowd, Wiltshire trying to dribble past 3 players when the Italians have flooded the box, to many players trying to be hero's out there rather than team players. We don't have the balls, or quality to get out o this group, sorry.
Experience won the day today.
Pluses for England:
Uruguay lost to the weakest team in the Group
Costa Rica have confidence now going against Italy
Some promising play around the goal
Young side with a lot of pace
Sturridge was really dangerous
Minuses:
They lost
They are inexperienced
Italians controlled the middle of the pitch, which is worrying to me
Heat seemed to get to the English players (won't be as big an issue in next game though as their bodies will be used to it now)
Weak defense upfront by Welback and Sturridge
Quote from: Admin on June 15, 2014, 12:55:13 AM
too many players trying to be hero's out there rather than team players.
Totally agree with this. No sense of team at all. Italy were far superior when it came to keeping the ball too. Some awful wasteful play towards the end of the game. I think it'll be 1-1 against Uruguay.
At the half I thought you lot had a good shot at it but they adjusted and took away the Sterling threat in the second half. As often happens, the team chasing the game runs out of gas plus that clinical knee to the back of Sturridge 's thigh took him out. He pretty much was off the pace after that and then taken off. None of the subs contributed much. Get by Uruguay and you still have a chance to get out of group. Italy will beat CR and than park the bus against Uruguay to take the group. Second? Pick one.
Quote from: Wingnut on June 15, 2014, 01:03:31 AM
Quote from: Admin on June 15, 2014, 12:55:13 AM
too many players trying to be hero's out there rather than team players.
Totally agree with this. No sense of team at all. Italy were far superior when it came to keeping the ball too. Some awful wasteful play towards the end of the game. I think it'll be 1-1 against Uruguay.
We had every opportunity to beat the aging Italians today if we played as a unit. To many England players wanting to take on the world for my liking, either our left or right backs were bombing down the wings leaving us defensively vulnerable, or our younger players fancies a bit of lime light by taking on 20 Italians before finally losing the ball, leaving our midfield totally over run. If we had slowed things down a little and played their game, we'd have got a draw, or even nicked it. No excuses for Rooney missing that chance at this level, but wrong for Roy to play him where he did over golden child Welbeck, who can't even trap a pony.
Poor Italian side.
We were the better team, Rooney playing at all costs is a hindrance for us.
Welbeck again was IMO an unsung hero, doing all the donkey work for the so called "stars"
When he went off our movement up too was non-exsistant.
Really annoys me when we get in good crossing positions and put it out for a goal kick.
Edit - Roy just said Rooney did very well out on the left. Is he sure???
We were leaving Baines open every single time. Rooney was rarely in the correct position the likes of Sanchez at Chile would kill us (again) if Rooney played wide.
Quote from: Humbled on June 15, 2014, 01:18:15 AM
Poor Italian side.
We were the better team, Rooney playing at all costs is a hindrance for us.
Welbeck again was IMO an unsung hero, doing all the donkey work for the so called "stars"
When he went off our movement up too was non-exsistant.
Really annoys me when we get in good crossing positions and put it out for a goal kick.
Edit - Roy just said Rooney did very well out on the left. Is he sure???
We were leaving Baines open every single time. Rooney was rarely in the correct position the likes of Sanchez at Chile would kill us (again) if Rooney played wide.
Quote from: Humbled on June 15, 2014, 01:18:15 AM
Poor Italian side.
We were the better team, Rooney playing at all costs is a hindrance for us.
Welbeck again was IMO an unsung hero, doing all the donkey work for the so called "stars"
When he went off our movement up too was non-exsistant.
Really annoys me when we get in good crossing positions and put it out for a goal kick.
Edit - Roy just said Rooney did very well out on the left. Is he sure???
We were leaving Baines open every single time. Rooney was rarely in the correct position the likes of Sanchez at Chile would kill us (again) if Rooney played wide.
he was.doing that well he moved him to the right. Dont think he would come and say anything negative about gbe players
Italy weren't amazing but they got the job done. When they put up that defensive wall after the second goal we were never going to score. And for all the Rooney lovers, that's why he is not world class. He should have scored that chance. That's what a class player does. I know he made the first goal but I think he could do with a rest and let others have a crack. Sterling obviously was incredible. Play like that against the other two teams and we can get through.
Rooney requires very specific types of players around him to get the best out of him.
He isn't like a Suarez or Tevez who can play and link well with any style of player.
I just hope Welbeck isn't the scapegoat again cos he did really well. Great movement and regains possession very well. He is the easy sub every game but he shouldn't be, people need to start realising he may not look pretty all the time but what he does is very affective.
Stirling was very good in the 1st half as was Welbeck but 2nd half once Welbwck went off we had little movement and Stirling seemed to struggle running the ball into a solid back 4 constantly.
I honestly thought Welbeck was our best player but Stirling got the praise (and rightly so) as he had more "stand out moments"
I wonder if the weather had more of an impact on England than it had on Italy... Pirlo's game is soooooo slow, though the passing is sublime. Why didn't England stand him up early, shut down his forward progress?!!!!! Wilshere isn't that good of a player. Welbeck is not where near the quality of Sturridge. Rooney should have put that one in the goal. And didn't you just know Balotelli would be the difference? Such a boring game over all. Slow motion, most of it. A Roy snoozefest. Don't think England got outplayed. Italy capitalized on the few opportunities it got, and England didn't. That's how I saw it anyway.
Costa Rica! Should have died a horrible death to Uruguay, but, no! Pulled out a shocker. Bryan Ruiz played a solid game. Joel Campbell was great. Good team football. Most dangerous when they kept moving quickly.
Missed the Columbia game. How did Hugo do?
Well even in the aftermath of defeat I feel more positive than not... Although the team faded and even though the defence creaked at times there were passages of play that showed a cutting edge to England that I haven't seen for a long time. We have the basis of an exciting team.
England were good for an hour, then faded badly (probably the heat). Gerrard did not affect the game very much and Rooney was average (imho). Not sure where Roy goes from here because after losing the first game the players have a mountain to climb and will be nervous.
However, Roy is the best man to get something out of this team and punch above their weight.
Given anyone more confidence in unleashing our own "young lions" next season.
Has me!
COME ON YOU YOUNG WHITES 049:gif
I think we may of been better off taking Ashley Cole instead of Baines, defending was poor for the second goal. Thought we looked good though, still plenty of chance to qualify. Was always going to be hard to get a grip on midfield against Pirlo, De Rossi and Marchisio but we countered well and with speed. Sterling is going to hurt teams with his running.
I think it has and if anyone let England down last night, it was the older / more seasoned players. Roberts and Williams certainly resemble the way Sterling plays !!!!
A couple of (quite a few) nice signings are still required though.
Slow build up despite fast paced forwards. Defending too deep. Having a tactical problem that is never solved. Couldn't cross the ball accurately. In many ways the England game did remind me of a Fulham future.
It was a "new look" England and particularly in the first half of the first half I had to pinch myself that I was actually watching England! It bodes well for the future. Unfortunately the result didn't go our way, and it makes the Uruguay match a "winner takes all" game. I just hope Roy will keep the faith with what he has started.
If Suarez is back in the lineup by then, along with Cavani and Forlan, it will be a long 90 minutes... Still reeling from Costa Rica's unexpected win. I hope people got to see the quality of Bryan Ruiz when he's used properly (and not isolated).
I thought there were plenty of positives and unlike some, a few negatives, the main one being that we allowed Italy to much time on the ball, which allowed them to not use up as much energy as the English players and that showed near the end when there was quite a lot who went down with cramp.
Over all, we lost but were not disgraced and even our harshest critic would surely agree that we deserved a draw.
Think it was best england performance I've seen for long while... reckon Roy's mentality has helped team... getting through group is disticnt possibility.
Would not have trusted started Sterling myself but was impressed he lasted well. Having said that, still think Lallana should start and use Sterling as a power sub once teams tire. I'd also play Milner everytime, he gives good solid cove ron the wing and will put in some quality crosses.
Another plus for England is that Suarez wasn't used in Costa Rica game, if he was anywhere near fit he would've have been given the score. Will be a tough game but have a feeling even a draw maybe enough.
...this England team is work in progress. In two to four years time the young bloods will be the established members of the national team, and the results will turn in our favour by then. Also by then the England team will have at least one Fulham player in Pat Roberts, and England haven't won any tournament without a Fulham player in the team.
In the meantime they will learn, let's support them during this transition...
One day the unthinkable will happen
a little bit of optimism from good old Mr Lighthouse.
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For me england were fantastic and i was delighted for roy, he shut alot of people up with the approach. The only real negative for me and this is something i disliked when he picked his squad was leaving out ashley cole. Baines was by far englands worse player and defensively is inadequate at that level. I felt cole and shaw should of gone regardless of baines's form. Coles simply better and the only player of his generation who has never let england down and shaw is the future. Baines for me was like a middle child, the one who gets forgotten, atleast he should of been.
I still feel england will qualify and this is the model fulham should follow, 100percent
I liked how strong this England team was looking yesterday, I think Rooney was better first half and start of second half but later on he just didnt get it right, even though he was trying but it seems like the Italian team was much more prepared for that hot weather, I might be completely wrong about this though. But England looked very promising to me and I hope they get further than the group stage.
Get Stockdale in instead of Hart as well!
Quote from: One Martin Thomas on June 15, 2014, 12:45:13 PM
I think it has and if anyone let England down last night, it was the older / more seasoned players. Roberts and Williams certainly resemble the way Sterling plays !!!!
A couple of (quite a few) nice signings are still required though.
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I believe that was the most dynamic English squad I have ever seen. Sterling certainly looked like the real deal.
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 14, 2014, 08:02:29 PM
If Bryan Ruiz and Diego Forlan both get their legs broken tonight, I would be so happy
Wow what an embarrassing thing to say. Appreciate you were probably a few beers in when you typed that but Christ that is shameful. All respect for you lost.
Can anyone see Costa Rica getting points against Italy!? I have a horrible feeling they might just do it. Think J.Campbell could run riot!
I think Costa Rica can get points against Italy and England. Mind you I'm probably in the minority as I don't think England will get out of the group
Quote from: Berserker on June 16, 2014, 09:35:38 AM
I think Costa Rica can get points against Italy and England. Mind you I'm probably in the minority as I don't think England will get out of the group
Well i'm agreeing with you rarther regretfully. I can see Costa Rica going on to secure a place. Solid start from them and i've seen little from england to suggest they will earn a spot.
In addition, I'd drop Rooney and play an attacking line of Sturridge, Lambert, Ox (if unfit Lallana) and Sterling. He's just nt on form and is a liability out of position. Cracking assist but overall, he caused too many issues to warrent catering him for a starting spot. Thats my two pence.
If I were Roy, I'd take a chance with Lambert. I think he'd get it done.
Quote from: FFC1987 on June 16, 2014, 09:32:46 AM
Can anyone see Costa Rica getting points against Italy!? I have a horrible feeling they might just do it. Think J.Campbell could run riot!
If Italy sit back and do not put pressure on the ball against Costa Rica I could see Costa Rica taking points in this matchup. There is a lot of on the ball talent in the Costa Rica squad and when they have time to pick a forward pass they can punish you.
I was well pumped up for Italy, but I feel so deflated that I'm not even going to the pub tonight. Haven't even played 3 lions yet. I need some serious inspiration
Nope...
Really looking forward to this one, I was excited by the direction that Roy was looking to take the team v. Italy and am hoping that it continues in tonight's match.
Bring it on!
Quote from: Burt on June 19, 2014, 03:21:47 PM
Nope...
Really looking forward to this one, I was excited by the direction that Roy was looking to take the team v. Italy and am hoping that it continues in tonight's match.
Bring it on!
I'm jealous. Needless to say, should we get a result today I will be in the pub for opening on Tuesday
This appeared within a social media site called Trove.
Uruguay vs. England
Striker Luis Suarez has declared himself ready to play for Uruguay after undergoing knee surgery in May. He missed Uruguay's somewhat stunning 3-1 loss to Costa Rica in the opener. Suarez scored 31 goals for Liverpool in English Premier League play last season, and now will go up against the six Liverpool players who suit up for England. Like Uruguay, England probably can't afford to lose after dropping its first match to Italy. "I know all the players in the England squad either because they're my teammates or because I've faced them," Suarez said, per the Associated Press. "They have some defensive flaws we can exploit."[/i]
I found this quite offensive actually. How do the rest of you feel about it? I know he's playing for country now. And yes it's true there are a number of Liverpool players in the England squad which will be playing against his country's team. And yes he probably does have inside information on the weaknesses of his club teammates. But, still, why say that publicly? Why? Going public with this fact is unnecessary and in very poor taste. Come on, England, beat these guys.
forget this thread. 2 cans and 3 lions on repeat have sorted me right out. come on england
Expect the worst and be pleasantly surprised if we win is my outlook.
I really wish I could be more positive but..... you know, all these years following FFC and England etc etc etc.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 19, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
This appeared within a social media site called Trove.
Uruguay vs. England
Striker Luis Suarez has declared himself ready to play for Uruguay after undergoing knee surgery in May. He missed Uruguay's somewhat stunning 3-1 loss to Costa Rica in the opener. Suarez scored 31 goals for Liverpool in English Premier League play last season, and now will go up against the six Liverpool players who suit up for England. Like Uruguay, England probably can't afford to lose after dropping its first match to Italy. "I know all the players in the England squad either because they're my teammates or because I've faced them," Suarez said, per the Associated Press. "They have some defensive flaws we can exploit."[/i]
I found this quite offensive actually. How do the rest of you feel about it? I know he's playing for country now. And yes it's true there are a number of Liverpool players in the England squad which will be playing against his country's team. And yes he probably does have inside information on the weaknesses of his club teammates. But, still, why say that publicly? Why? Going public with this fact is unnecessary and in very poor taste. Come on, England, beat these guys.
hopefully gerrard tests how well his knee has recovered early doors
You expect some class from a player that is noted for diving & biting people?
I have a horrible feeling that we will be like Richard Osman´s TV quiz show - Pointless.
Could have actually been a red there....and Wayne just missed the ensuring free kick.
Uruguay should be down to 9 men.
We're going home, going home, going home
What a load of over paid rubbish. It is only the foreign players in our Prem clubs that makes them look reasonably good. On their own the English players are very ordinary.
Quote from: grandad on June 19, 2014, 08:34:23 PM
Uruguay should be down to 9 men.
Down to ten. Godin should have been sent off for the hand ball OR for the second yellow. You can't send the same fella off twice haha.
45 for roy to save his job. needs to drag gerrard rooney and welbeck off. put on jack llalana and barkley.
Jagielka is not international standard.
Thanks Glen. We got there eventually.
First the usual adulation for Suarez (fair enough it was a pretty good effort).
Then the usual castigation of the centre-half (deserved)
Then it's remembered that Gerard set it up by losing the ball in midfield.
Eventually Hoddle points out that the real gem in the whole business was Cavani's beautiful pass - kind of thing that Glen himself served up.
Ha !!! Swarez doing what he does best ........................
biting the hand that feeds him
so why no barkley to take the pressure off of us. is roy even watching
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 19, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
This appeared within a social media site called Trove.
Uruguay vs. England
Striker Luis Suarez has declared himself ready to play for Uruguay after undergoing knee surgery in May. He missed Uruguay's somewhat stunning 3-1 loss to Costa Rica in the opener. Suarez scored 31 goals for Liverpool in English Premier League play last season, and now will go up against the six Liverpool players who suit up for England. Like Uruguay, England probably can't afford to lose after dropping its first match to Italy. "I know all the players in the England squad either because they're my teammates or because I've faced them," Suarez said, per the Associated Press. "They have some defensive flaws we can exploit."[/i]
I found this quite offensive actually. How do the rest of you feel about it? I know he's playing for country now. And yes it's true there are a number of Liverpool players in the England squad which will be playing against his country's team. And yes he probably does have inside information on the weaknesses of his club teammates. But, still, why say that publicly? Why? Going public with this fact is unnecessary and in very poor taste. Come on, England, beat these guys.
I can't see any problem with this statement. It's what any player would do or say.
Quote from: fulhamben on June 19, 2014, 09:10:29 PM
so why no barkley to take the pressure off of us. is roy even watching
here he comes
Don't you remember Roy used to drive us crazy with his late/no subbing
I think England has one in them still.
Quote from: KCat on June 19, 2014, 09:15:27 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 19, 2014, 09:10:29 PM
so why no barkley to take the pressure off of us. is roy even watching
here he comes
yes and thats why he will have to fall on his sword
Don't you remember Roy used to drive us crazy with his late/no subbing
Very frustrating -like watching Fulham.
The floodgates are now open 064.gif
COYW!
England defence a shambles again. Got nothing, deserve nothing.
Quote from: grandad on June 19, 2014, 09:45:36 PM
England defence a shambles again. Got nothing, deserve nothing.
It was Gerrard' s procrastination....no???
surely thats the last we will see of gerrard rooney welbeck johnson and roy. exremily dissapointing and gerrard has to go down as one of our worst ever captains
Roy will be gone soon. Players didn't perform but it doesn't look good when you are the first manager to lose your first two group games.
There my friends, we have the evidence after tonight's game....... Don't anyone ever tell me we have top international players. Mugged again!
Quote from: SimpleTactics on June 19, 2014, 09:53:33 PM
Roy will be gone soon. Players didn't perform but it doesn't look good when you are the first manager to lose your first two group games.
especially when you are picking players that everyone knows are poo. poor manage and a pss poor captain. still the futures bright, we have some really good kidscoming through. just need to dump the dinosaurs
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on June 19, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
There my friends, we have the evidence after tonight's game....... Don't anyone ever tell me we have top international players again. Mugged again!
we had a very poor manager that didnt help
I never thought these words would leave my mouth, but tomorrow I say... COME ON BRYAN RUIZ!!!
Gerrard shouldn't be anywhere near the first team, let alone captain.
Actually its done as all a favour. We would only of got over excited before losing in the later rounds.
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 19, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I never thought these words would leave my mouth, but tomorrow I say... COME ON BRYAN RUIZ!!!
We need Costa Rica to lose?
Having losy their second game by two goals to one England look to be on their way out of the World Cup
Anyone else felt like they were watching Fulham. The lack of runs, poor clearances and not being able to do basic defending
Having lost their second game by two goals to one England look to be on their way out of the World Cup
Quote from: SimpleTactics on June 19, 2014, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 19, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I never thought these words would leave my mouth, but tomorrow I say... COME ON BRYAN RUIZ!!!
We need Costa Rica to lose?
As a proud Welshman, I don't want Costa Rica to lose
Bardenhio's wifie sums it up .......
Sarah Baird @Mrsbaird6 4m
We have some of the best players in the world but put them in England shirts and they can't play for poo. I just don't understand? ⚽️
Quote from: SimpleTactics on June 19, 2014, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 19, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I never thought these words would leave my mouth, but tomorrow I say... COME ON BRYAN RUIZ!!!
We need Costa Rica to lose?
No we Fulham want Bryan to score 3 goals
the same old, same old.
1 "We are going to beat all opposition out of sight"...
2 "An early setback, but we can come through OK"....
3 "Not all is lost...if X can win by three clear goals against Y, and at least draw against Z (or some such)...."
4 "We'll be arriving back at Heathrow in the morning"...........
I wasn't able to watch the match and only just got around to seeing highlights - is Suarez onside on his second goal? It looks like he's significantly past the last man when the other player (Cavani? I can't tell) wins the knockdown header.
Wait a second. What if Uruguay loses its last match, and England wins its last match? What else would have to happen to get England through?
Quote from: jmh on June 19, 2014, 10:14:35 PM
I wasn't able to watch the match and only just got around to seeing highlights - is Suarez onside on his second goal? It looks like he's significantly past the last man when the other player (Cavani? I can't tell) wins the knockdown header.
It went off Gerrard's head.
Italy must beat Costa Rica and Uruguay. Then we must beat Costa Rica by more goals than Uruguay
Quote from: KCat on June 19, 2014, 10:10:21 PM
Bardenhio's wifie sums it up .......
Sarah Baird @Mrsbaird6 4m
We have some of the best players in the world but put them in England shirts and they can't play for poo. I just don't understand? ⚽️
Quote from: cmg on June 19, 2014, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: KCat on June 19, 2014, 10:10:21 PM
Bardenhio's wifie sums it up .......
Sarah Baird @Mrsbaird6 4m
We have some of the best players in the world but put them in England shirts and they can't play for poo. I just don't understand? ⚽️
How come Roy put out a team that was so fragile defensively? Was he giving into media pressure to put out an attacking formation?
Well, here's the table of standings as of right now:
Group D Team P W D L GF GA GD Pts
Costa Rica 1 1 0 0 3 1 2 3
Italy 1 1 0 0 2 1 1 3
Uruguay 2 1 0 1 3 4 -1 3
England 2 0 0 2 2 4 -2 0
Three of the four teams have 3 points. England can still get second place in the standings. Let's say England beats Costa Rica, and Costa Rica doesn't win another game. (I suggest getting Rooney OFF THE FIELD and putting in Lambert.) Also assume Italy doesn't win or tie its next two games. Will that do it?
Thanks
Quote from: SimpleTactics on June 19, 2014, 10:08:25 PM
Anyone else felt like they were watching Fulham. The lack of runs, poor clearances and not being able to do basic defending
Very much so. The lack of character in that team is unreal also. You always sensed that Uruguay were going to get another. Hopefully, it's the last we'll see of the 30+ brigade in an England shirt. I don't think much of the young 'superstars' either, Sterling etc to be honest. They are not world class by any means, imo.
Happy that Rooney got his goal though, after all the stick he has taken.
with 5 chokerpool players in the team even with other results going our way we would only draw against costa rica
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 19, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
Well, here's the table of standings as of right now:
Group D Team P W D L GF GA GD Pts
Costa Rica 1 1 0 0 3 1 2 3
Italy 1 1 0 0 2 1 1 3
Uruguay 2 1 0 1 3 4 -1 3
England 2 0 0 2 2 4 -2 0
Three of the four teams have 3 points. England can still get second place in the standings. Let's say England beats Costa Rica, and Costa Rica doesn't win another game. (I suggest getting Rooney OFF THE FIELD and putting in Lambert.) Also assume Italy doesn't win or tie its next two games. Will that do it?
I think it's still mathematically possible as Uruguay and Costa Rica don't have to play each other. But Italy need to beat the other two and well. If Italy drop any points it's over.
Balotelli just tweeted '' If we beat costa rica i want a kiss , obviously on the cheek, from the UK queen . haha ''
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Quote from: The Swan on June 19, 2014, 10:08:42 PM
Having lost their second game by two goals to one England look to be on their way out of the World Cup
Cheers fort he update buddy, I'll put the champagne away before I look daft!
Put very very simply, we are crap & we're out unless there is a minor miracle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXL9Az6-Kd8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXL9Az6-Kd8)
I cry at how we were let down by short sighted management on and off the field. All my life I have done nothing to deserve the idiots who have gone out of their way to sod my club right up.
Don't deserve to go further
The moment England start showing passion the same way Suarez did when he scored that Winner then maybe I will follow England. A bunch of overpaid Millionares. You see the difference between a spoilt national team and a team that has to strive for qualification is that they value being at the World Cup. Bosnia just to name one team and North Korea at the last World Cup. We probably have one of the highest earning individuals at the World Cup but still show no passion no flare just like a packet of Ready Salted Walkers plain.
The blame must lie with the manager not the players, as i was so frequently told when Jol was in charge of Fulham.
Yep. I just don't believe this. "The players are great, all it needs is a new manager" stuff. I didn't believe it last year of Fulham and I don't believe it now of England.
At least Fulham can try to get some new players - England is, largely, stuck with what it's got at any given time.
Hey don't worry.
Italy will beat Costa Rica and Uruguay, we will beat Costa Rica, and our march to the final will continue.
It's all going to plan.
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We will never win anything, as long as fat boy Rooney is playing.
Fat boy Rooney? Lol Everyone needs a scapegoat I guess.
I don't care about what we deserve, I want to go through - in much the same way that we thoroughly deserved to be relegated last season, and that didn't sit too well with me either.
I acknowledge that our chances are relatively slim, but I do think that Roy and even the press have been too quick to assume it's dead in the water. Is it unthinkable that Italy win their last two group games against Costa Rica and Uruguay? No. Is it impossible for England to beat Costa Rica? Absolutely not.
The goal difference isn't terrible either. Italy 1-0 Costa Rica, Italy 1-0 Uruguay and England 2-0 Costa Rica would do just fine.
Costa Rica look much the better side at the moment...
COME ON ITALY! PULL YOUR FINGERS OUT!!
Oh my days it actually happened. Since when has Bryan Ruiz headed the ball?
Bryan with a great header..
Great goal by Ruiz
Ruiz is a diff player for Costa Rica.
TICOS!!!!
Ref will call that THAT one????
Ruiz scores after they should have been awarded a penalty
since he got the right service?
Oh Bryan, why'd you have to remember to score now?
...may have just knocked England out of the World Cup. :031:
Also, does anyone know why he has his name as Ruiz B on his Costa Rica shirt, but insisted on Bryan for his Fulham shirt? I remember a story about his poor relationship with his estranged father and not wanting to wear his surname on his shirt, but why's he wearing it on the biggest stage in the world then?
Do FIFA have stricter rules than the Premier League for shirt names?
I have a feeling Ruiz will be a wanted man after the World Cup.
Classic Bryan!
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Quote from: Humbled on June 20, 2014, 05:47:13 PM
Ruiz is a diff player for Costa Rica.
Which is what we yanks have always said. He is a quality player but like everyone needs to be used correctly.
Since when has he been able to head the ball?
His name is :
Bryan Jafet Ruiz González ( perhaps there are a lot of Ruiz' in Costa so it's RuizB )
How much does a world cup goal add to the value of a player ???
This is not happening
Quote from: KCat on June 20, 2014, 05:56:49 PM
His name is :
Bryan Jafet Ruiz González ( perhaps there are a lot of Ruiz' in Costa so it's RuizB )
How much dose a world cup goal add to the value of a player ???
I'd say that goal will add about £1m to his value. Which I'd imagine now stands at around £7m
Quote from: VamosFFC on June 20, 2014, 05:50:15 PM
I have a feeling Ruiz will be a wanted man after the World Cup.
I hope not, I want him back at the Cottage.
Quote from: gezkc on June 20, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
...may have just knocked England out of the World Cup. :031:
Also, does anyone know why he has his name as Ruiz B on his Costa Rica shirt, but insisted on Bryan for his Fulham shirt? I remember a story about his poor relationship with his estranged father and not wanting to wear his surname on his shirt, but why's he wearing it on the biggest stage in the world then?
Do FIFA have stricter rules than the Premier League for shirt names?
I think England put themselves out due to being rather crap!
the problem wasn't bryan, the problem was fulham...
Remember the 2002 World Cup, when that South Korean player got his contract terminated by his Italian club. Wonder if we can do that with Ruiz?
Quote from: alexbishop on June 20, 2014, 06:36:04 PM
the problem wasn't bryan, the problem was fulham...
agreed
play him at 10
without Berba
and look what you get
Ruiz subbed. Job well done. 10 mins left.
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Quote from: gezkc on June 20, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
...may have just knocked England out of the World Cup. :031:
Also, does anyone know why he has his name as Ruiz B on his Costa Rica shirt, but insisted on Bryan for his Fulham shirt? I remember a story about his poor relationship with his estranged father and not wanting to wear his surname on his shirt, but why's he wearing it on the biggest stage in the world then?
Do FIFA have stricter rules than the Premier League for shirt names?
I think England put themselves out due to being rather crap!
Very true, but he's put the final nail in the coffin.
Quote from: MrProphet on June 20, 2014, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on June 20, 2014, 06:36:04 PM
the problem wasn't bryan, the problem was fulham...
Really so Fulham made a 6ft man get sneezed off the ball and want 10 minutes to make a decision????
Didn't matter where he played he is only good enough for a second rate league where there is no pressure on the ball and he isn't expected to move
Hold on, I'll call Italy and tell them that they are a second rate team since Bryan has had some success against them.
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Quote from: Humbled on June 20, 2014, 05:47:13 PM
Ruiz is a diff player for Costa Rica.
Which is what we yanks have always said. He is a quality player but like everyone needs to be used correctly.
Defo had ability - for me he didn't suit the premier league. He requires time and space on the ball to play well constantly. He would only get that at a few clubs in England.
It is funny tho. Everyone constantly says our league has such a high tempo yet our national side couldn't play slower if they tried.
And that game just showed that if you WANT it and have PRIDE in playing for your country, that you can achieve more than you thought possible.
I LOVE YOU COSTA RICA!!!!
I LOVE YOU BRYAN!
I LOVE YOU FULHAM!
bryan was fantasic
lots of people said he failed with us which is wrong, he just lacked consistency and strength
hope we keep him and play him in that number 10 role as we're lacking players in that position.
Endure Ruiz? Really a man who dictates the game against an Italian side that outplayed England. Suddenly we see what a brilliant player played in the right position could have done with Fulham. But instead we had a manager we had to endure who was a complete idiot when it came to tactics. Ruiz was and is a good player. But ask him to track back and play in a side with no pace and is it really Ruiz being at fault?
Sorry if this rubs people the wrong way, but that's what you get for constantly dissing CONCACAF all those years.
Quote from: MrProphet on June 20, 2014, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on June 20, 2014, 06:36:04 PM
the problem wasn't bryan, the problem was fulham...
Really so Fulham made a 6ft man get sneezed off the ball and want 10 minutes to make a decision????
Didn't matter where he played he is only good enough for a second rate league where there is no pressure on the ball and he isn't expected to move
For F*Sake Bryan is
STILL a Fulham player and he has scored for his little country in the World Cup
and there is no doubt that he is a stylish player.......be happy for him.
Quote from: costarican white on June 20, 2014, 07:00:45 PM
I LOVE YOU COSTA RICA!!!!
I LOVE YOU BRYAN!
I LOVE YOU FULHAM!
I am so pleased for you Sir getting to the last 16 :54:
Noe here to the last 8 :wine:
Quote from: Khan You Dig It on June 20, 2014, 07:04:21 PM
Sorry if this rubs people the wrong way, but that's what you get for constantly dissing CONCACAF all those years.
But...but...the US only qualifies because they have a weak qualifying group!!!
Quote from: MrProphet on June 20, 2014, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 20, 2014, 07:03:19 PM
Endure Ruiz? Really a man who dictates the game against an Italian side that outplayed England. Suddenly we see what a brilliant player played in the right position could have done with Fulham. But instead we had a manager we had to endure who was a complete idiot when it came to tactics. Ruiz was and is a good player. But ask him to track back and play in a side with no pace and is it really Ruiz being at fault?
He hardly dictated the game against Italy
Asking a professional footballer to make quick decisions shield the ball, and challenge a man 5 yards away is obviously to much isn't it?
Get a grip he was awful for us
Get a grip? You see a World Cup game that shows a Fulham player do so well against a side that outplayed England. Yet you still maintain that Ruiz is awful and not the way we used him. I think we will just agree to disagree. The fact that Ruiz will play for a better team in a better league than Fulham will be in. But Ruiz is a bad player not Fulham poorly using him? Yeah right.
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Quote from: alexbishop on June 20, 2014, 06:36:04 PM
the problem wasn't bryan, the problem was fulham...
For FFS Bryan is STILL a Fulham player and he has scored for his little country in the World Cup
and there is no doubt that he is a stylish player.......be happy for him.
Careful m'lady. Your bordering on being decent & rational and that, as you well know, is seldom acceptable in these hollowed threads. Testosterone is much more important, innt?
I think the gods contrive to make us in these islands (and particularly in SW6) as frustrated as possible..
Mr Ruiz was just brushed off the ball with us, and needed twice the time he had to control it, but now is a world renowned goalscorer....Italy were a formidable opponent for us but looked as if they couldn't even be bothered to run in the game today...Uruguay performances similar....
Perhaps the best thing that could happen if we still have any control over his contract is to laud him to the rafters, flog him for about £20m and rebuild....
....And get Roy and Ray to dump the poison chalice and come back down to the Cottage.
Tweet of the year (written -before- the game):
@simpsonstimpy: "The way this season has gone, Fulham Relegated, QPR promoted, Zamora scores winner, England poo, Expect a Bryan Ruiz winner tonight #FFC"
Quote from: MrProphet on June 20, 2014, 07:22:25 PM
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Quote from: alexbishop on June 20, 2014, 06:36:04 PM
the problem wasn't bryan, the problem was fulham...
Really so Fulham made a 6ft man get sneezed off the ball and want 10 minutes to make a decision????
Didn't matter where he played he is only good enough for a second rate league where there is no pressure on the ball and he isn't expected to move
For FFS Bryan is STILL a Fulham player and he has scored for his little country in the World Cup
and there is no doubt that he is a stylish player.......be happy for him.
Careful m'lady. Your bordering on being decent & rational and that, as you well know, is seldom acceptable in these hollowed threads. Testosterone is much more important, innt?
As I constantly repeat on these threads, it is not what one says that is offensive but the delivery of said comment. Adjectives are what gets a person in trouble not the opinion.
Quote from: YankeeJim on June 20, 2014, 07:36:27 PM
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Quote from: MrProphet on June 20, 2014, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on June 20, 2014, 06:36:04 PM
the problem wasn't bryan, the problem was fulham...
For F*Sake Bryan is STILL a Fulham player and he has scored for his little country in the World Cup
and there is no doubt that he is a stylish player.......be happy for him.
Careful m'lady. Your bordering on being decent & rational and that, as you well know, is seldom acceptable in these hollowed threads. Testosterone is much more important, innt?
As I constantly repeat on these threads, it is not what one says that is offensive but the delivery of said comment. Adjectives are what gets a person in trouble not the opinion.
Hang on a second...what have I done? :s
Remember the respect rule folks or I will triage this thread and remove anything unfriendly in it.
Quote from: KCat on June 20, 2014, 07:04:32 PM
Quote from: MrProphet on June 20, 2014, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on June 20, 2014, 06:36:04 PM
the problem wasn't bryan, the problem was fulham...
For FFS Bryan is STILL a Fulham player and he has scored for his little country in the World Cup
and there is no doubt that he is a stylish player.......be happy for him.
Exactly this! Thank you KCat.
To everyone contesting this thread, I prescribe S001.gif, a couple of lagers and settle to watching cricket, paint dry, or whatever for a couple of months.
Quote from: alexbishop on June 20, 2014, 07:41:59 PM
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Quote from: MrProphet on June 20, 2014, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on June 20, 2014, 06:36:04 PM
the problem wasn't bryan, the problem was fulham...
For F*Sake Bryan is STILL a Fulham player and he has scored for his little country in the World Cup
and there is no doubt that he is a stylish player.......be happy for him.
Careful m'lady. Your bordering on being decent & rational and that, as you well know, is seldom acceptable in these hollowed threads. Testosterone is much more important, innt?
Responding in kind is childish not condescending and pathetic. I'll accept that I came down to your & Mr Bishop's level. I suspect that I am much closer to my second childhood than you are away from your first. Please correct me if I am wrong. 092.gif
As I constantly repeat on these threads, it is not what one says that is offensive but the delivery of said comment. Adjectives are what gets a person in trouble not the opinion.
Hang on a second...what have I done? :s
My bad. I attributed another's comment to you. I certainly apologize. As the old saying goes , I should sweep my own doorstep first.
BTW, why did Ridgerider censor your post?
Maybe it wasn't Bryan, but Sidwell and Parker who were crap.
Quote from: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on June 20, 2014, 08:14:50 PM
Maybe it wasn't Bryan, but Sidwell and Parker who were crap.
Well Sidwell was the unofficial player of the year, so he is excluded from this debate
I've always loved Bryan. He's like a little Bambi. Glad he did well, although sad England are out but I didn't expect them to get far anyway.
ruiz got a header for costa rica, more than he has ever done for us.
he never made a run into the penalty area or strained to get a ball like that for us either
i didn't ever think much of him to be honest and what i have seen of costa rica has not made me change my mind.
however i do like the look of the costa rica manager, getting the best from his squad.
Quote from: nose on June 20, 2014, 09:46:17 PM
ruiz got a header for costa rica, more than he has ever done for us.
Now Bryan has not (so far) been a notably prolific goalscorer for this club. He has scored approx. 11% of his League goals for us with his head.
(That's one out of 9. v Reading back end of 2013 season.)
Quote from: nose on June 20, 2014, 09:46:17 PM
ruiz got a header for costa rica, more than he has ever done for us.
he never made a run into the penalty area or strained to get a ball like that for us either
i didn't ever think much of him to be honest and what i have seen of costa rica has not made me change my mind.
however i do like the look of the costa rica manager, getting the best from his squad.
How you like us now, once a hater always a hater, costa rica and ruiz have been quality all tournament and what do you have to show, not a damn thing
Quote from: btings on June 20, 2014, 07:34:51 PM
Tweet of the year (written -before- the game):
@simpsonstimpy: "The way this season has gone, Fulham Relegated, QPR promoted, Zamora scores winner, England poo, Expect a Bryan Ruiz winner tonight #FFC"
When will the pain end? About the only thing that hasn't happened is the announcement we'll be ground sharing at the dog track for the foreseeable future due to the discovery of a protected species of mole discovered living under the Riverside Stand.
England coach Roy Hodgson continues to have the full support of his players, says goalkeeper Joe Hart.
"Of course he does. We've got to stick together. We came into this as a group," he said. "We haven't succeeded but have to stick together. They prepared us as best they could and we haven't performed on the field."
But we don´t want them to stick together. Too many are just not good enough or finished as an international.
Start again rebuilding, just like we are having to.
As I posted earlier, let's have Roy and Ray back here to sort us out, and have the poison chalice be handed along with an improbable salary to someone else.
If only.....
I've noticed during this world cup growing concerns about Wayne Rooney and whether he is good enough for england and if he should be classed as ' world class' , its a debate which has fascinated me but always wound me up in someway or another.
Wayne has been the main victim of english media for a number of years now and I'm wondering if many of the ' rooney ' haters are just members of the media bandwagon. Twitter is the best place for this, people will say he should be dropped he is **** but when asked why, the majority of people struggle to actually say why they think this.
However, those who do have an answer say he doesn't perform for England and should ultimately be dropped for Everton's own Ross Barkley. Ross Barkley is one of the best , if not the best english youth currently in the premiership in my opinion. But is he really better than Wayne Rooney ? and should wayne be sacrificed for this ' new breed ' ?
After this debate i decided to indulge myself in the world of Squawka. For those who don't know is Squawka is a second screen web application for football. Tell Squawka which live game you are watching on TV and you will be given access to real time stats on the every player on the pitch alongside social interaction with other fans. You can also go on the Squawka website and compare players to eachother for overall performances stat wise in leagues etc etc ( if you have the time ).
So i decided to do a straight comparison matrix from the 2013/2014 Prem between Ross Barkley and Wayne Rooney for the CAM role.
Without posting every single stat that contributes to the role of CAM here are the results
Wayne Rooney Ross Barkley
Total Forward passes 674 683
Total Passes - 1321 1220
Assists 10 0
Sucesfull passes 1051 1035
Shot Accuracy 53 38
Goals scored 17 6
Total Score - 894.97 696.76
Total Attack Score 1041.51 626.32
Total Defence Score -28.41 86.71
Looking at the stats, to me it was quite clear who should be starting for England in the CAM role after the performances this season. But what interests me is are people rating Barkley too much ? are they putting too much pressure on him ? is he infact anywhere near the same level as Wayne Rooney ?
Was Wayne right to be slated ? The player who single handedly got England to the world cup ( Words of Steven Gerrard ) and got an assist against Italy and a goal against Uruguay be dropped ? Is he infact being slated by the majority of the english population without any reason ?
Should the real question be , going by the Defence Scores . Should Ross Barkley be taking Steven Gerrards place ?
The opinion is yours !
My first ever attempt of a little blog btw , not the best i know but i tried ! fp.gif
Great post. I think that much of the Rooney slating comes from our high expectations of him as we know what he is capable of, combined with our desperation to still be classed as a world-class team. When Rooney doesnt deliver the Suarez package for England the frustration grows.and he is targetted. You have to remember also that we live on a population who loves to moan as it gives you the most attention online - one of the reasons I hate twitter. Either way I wouldnt lose sleep on Rooney as he gets paid more than most earn in a decade, in a week!
Also, on the subject of Ross Barkley, is he overrated? Only time will tell really, I hope not.
Barkley looks like a useful player with a decent future ahead. Having said that, I don't know why he's in Brazil, never mind playing.
Quote from: Berserker on June 16, 2014, 09:35:38 AM
I think Costa Rica can get points against Italy and England. Mind you I'm probably in the minority as I don't think England will get out of the group
It's been a few days since I looked at FoF so I'm not sure if people have revisited their posts with the benefit of hindsight but I think you're are spot on. Although the England players will know you just have blow at Bryan and he falls over.
Not quite sure why my post has been moved to here when it wasn't about the group england are in for the world cup . Was a comparison of two players ...
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on June 22, 2014, 01:13:43 PM
Great post. I think that much of the Rooney slating comes from our high expectations of him as we know what he is capable of, combined with our desperation to still be classed as a world-class team. When Rooney doesnt deliver the Suarez package for England the frustration grows.and he is targetted. You have to remember also that we live on a population who loves to moan as it gives you the most attention online - one of the reasons I hate twitter. Either way I wouldnt lose sleep on Rooney as he gets paid more than most earn in a decade, in a week!
Also, on the subject of Ross Barkley, is he overrated? Only time will tell really, I hope not.
thank you i appreciate it . And i agree, he is a great player but too many people are slating him without a solid reason. I also agree rooney doesn't deliver the suarez package , however is suarez playing his preferred position , he is ! . This is what the majority of people don't understand ( not you of course ) , they are forgetting rooney is a out and out striker and NOT playing in his position. Can you imagine the uproar in Uruguay if suarez was made to play on the wing to supplement another striker who has had a good season ? . Italy are a great example of this , Balotelli starts every game for italy as a striker as he scores for them . However, Immobile is Serie A's top goal scorer but sits on the bench. Should Balotelli now be made to change positions ?
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Quote from: nose on June 20, 2014, 09:46:17 PM
ruiz got a header for costa rica, more than he has ever done for us.
he never made a run into the penalty area or strained to get a ball like that for us either
i didn't ever think much of him to be honest and what i have seen of costa rica has not made me change my mind.
however i do like the look of the costa rica manager, getting the best from his squad.
How you like us now, once a hater always a hater, costa rica and ruiz have been quality all tournament and what do you have to show, not a damn thing
Costa rica are a revelation and I am greatly impressed by the team and if you read my [post you will see I totally praise the manager for getting the maximum from his team. I would love to have that situation here.
However Ruiz has not stood out, there is nothing in the two performances I have seen that makes me think he is a different player to that one that underachieved for over two season at Fulham. The header VItaly was not typical of what we saw in over two years. How often did we ever see him straining to get into the box to get on the end of anything? almost never. And I saw him play an awful lot of games in the flesh, he was honestly very underwhelming.
I hope costa rica progress much further, as a team they are very impresive, but for me to change my opinion of ruiz, I would need to see much more than what we have seen in the first two games.
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Quote from: Sgt Fulham on June 22, 2014, 01:13:43 PM
Great post. I think that much of the Rooney slating comes from our high expectations of him as we know what he is capable of, combined with our desperation to still be classed as a world-class team. When Rooney doesnt deliver the Suarez package for England the frustration grows.and he is targetted. You have to remember also that we live on a population who loves to moan as it gives you the most attention online - one of the reasons I hate twitter. Either way I wouldnt lose sleep on Rooney as he gets paid more than most earn in a decade, in a week!
Also, on the subject of Ross Barkley, is he overrated? Only time will tell really, I hope not.
thank you i appreciate it . And i agree, he is a great player but too many people are slating him without a solid reason. I also agree rooney doesn't deliver the suarez package , however is suarez playing his preferred position , he is ! . This is what the majority of people don't understand ( not you of course ) , they are forgetting rooney is a out and out striker and NOT playing in his position. Can you imagine the uproar in Uruguay if suarez was made to play on the wing to supplement another striker who has had a good season ? . Italy are a great example of this , Balotelli starts every game for italy as a striker as he scores for them . However, Immobile is Serie A's top goal scorer but sits on the bench. Should Balotelli now be made to change positions ?
Could you do one for Stirling and Rooney? I think a lot of the Barkley over Rooney media coverage was misinformed whereas the majorty of people think Stirling had a good game in that role against Italy and should have had another go at it rather than pushing him wide and impacting his game. I imagine Rooney would still get the better score but Stirling over Rooney (in the CAM) role was an argument amongst people who know football and I thought was an interesting one. If Stirling wins this, is there not an argument for dropping Wayne over an actual left winger who knows the position? (I tried sqwarker but it doesn't work at work unfortunately)
Damn, Ruiz looking so good against England. Just needs to be played properly. Hopefully he'll get another chance next year. If not, at least his value is going up every game!
Italy, once again, were dreadful. Prandelli has offered his resignation and Massimo Allegri is hovering in the background.
