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Beşiktaş Bryan Ruiz ile anlaştı
Kadrosunu güçlendirmek isteyen Beşiktaş, Fulham'da forma giyen Kosta Rika'lı Bryan Ruiz ile anlaştı.
Sporx.com'un haberine göre; Dış transferde istediği sonuçları bir türlü alamayan ve son olarak Yalçın Ayhan skandalıyla sarsılan Beşiktaş'ta yönetimin ve teknik heyetin yüzü sonunda güldü.
Uzun süredir Fernandes'in yerine 10 numara arayışını sürdüren siyah-beyazlı yönetim Kosta Rika'nın 10 numarası Bryan Ruiz'in işini bitirdi.
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hm, lame. Was hoping to see him stay. Hope the offer is good. Whatever you think of him, he would have been the most technically gifted and creative player in our squad.
Pity - but at least Nose will be happy.
Quote from: alexbishop on July 15, 2014, 09:14:13 PM
hm, lame. Was hoping to see him stay. Hope the offer is good. Whatever you think of him, he would have been the most technically gifted and creative player in our squad.
He was never in a million years going to play for Fulham in the Championship.
How is that an agreement? It just means they are chasing him
Half of me wanted him to stay as played in the right position he could have been great.
BUT
He is so left footed it is embarrassing
He could have been out muscled in the championship
Even in the World Cup I continually saw home wandering round the pitch like a lost lamb getting regularly dispossessed.
However
Every one of our World Cup players has been linked to a Turkish club.....
Quote from: Holders on July 15, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
Pity - but at least Nose will be happy.
He's not the only one.
He may have got booed by his own fans at the cottage but the Turkish fans have been known to be a lot more vicious in their criticism! Remember reading last year that tranbonspor (excuse the spelling) fans where unhappy with one of their owns application so they set fire to his cars while on his driveway
Good luck to him wrong man in the wrong league with the wrong manager at the wrong time
If Dejagah and/or Mitroglu leave now as well I'll be worried
Well I have said many, many times that I think Jol used him badly. But there was never ever going to be any chance of him turning out in the Championship. Let's face it, with less time and more effort needed in the Championship, Ruiz would have suffered and we would have suffered.
A really fine player who sadly played under a poor manager and never managed to be consistent enough to show his true worth
I hope this isn't correct.
Ruiz after excelling again in Holland and the World Cup is never going to play for us in the Championship ( in my view sadly but I know many will be delighted )
I just hope we get a good fee
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:27:55 PM
If Dejagah and/or Mitroglu leave now as well I'll be worried
Mitroglou has to go ( again I would prefer for a good fee rather than a loan )
Dejagah I would like to stay BUT ........
And I await with eagerness any bids for Steks
Mitro has the potential to be quality in this division. I'd give him till January THEN get rid of him if we haven't seen enough.
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:27:55 PM
If Dejagah and/or Mitroglu leave now as well I'll be worried
In reality, we were never going to keep hold of all 3, we know that, the club know that, and hopefully Magath is aware of that, and is working hard looking for suitable replacements. I still stand by my word, that we are still 3-4 experienced players short of a promotion challenging side.
Quote from: Admin on July 15, 2014, 09:54:34 PM
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:27:55 PM
If Dejagah and/or Mitroglu leave now as well I'll be worried
In reality, we were never going to keep hold of all 3, we know that, the club know that, and hopefully Magath is aware of that, and is working hard looking for suitable replacements. I still stand by my word, that we are still 3-4 experienced players short of a promotion challenging side.
Agree on both counts
I'm under no illusions that some players have to go but I'd prefer it was players like Stek where we have a replacement other than Dejagah for example where we'd have to go out and (hopefully) get someone of equal calibre.
Call the captain. Tell him we're taking water. Only children left to bail. Hole the size of Quality is getting bigger.
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: Admin on July 15, 2014, 09:54:34 PM
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:27:55 PM
If Dejagah and/or Mitroglu leave now as well I'll be worried
In reality, we were never going to keep hold of all 3, we know that, the club know that, and hopefully Magath is aware of that, and is working hard looking for suitable replacements. I still stand by my word, that we are still 3-4 experienced players short of a promotion challenging side.
Agree on both counts
I'm under no illusions that some players have to go but I'd prefer it was players like Stek where we have a replacement other than Dejagah for example where we'd have to go out and (hopefully) get someone of equal calibre.
Agree with all three of these posts! Couldn't add anything else.
I think I'll be waiting for some more sources to report on this before believing it.
Did Mitroglu sign a 4 year deal? if so why do we need to get rid of him, let him show us what he has. Or have i got this wrong?
besiktas are on the verge of signing Demba Ba...very much doubt they can afford Ruiz as well....Italy his most likely destination
Signing Ba and Ruiz wouldn't be beyond them.
Signing Ba and Mitro would be
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/15/chelseas-demba-ba-off-to-besiktas-says-the-turkish-clubs-president/ (http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/15/chelseas-demba-ba-off-to-besiktas-says-the-turkish-clubs-president/)
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Quote from: Holders on July 15, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
Pity - but at least Nose will be happy.
i am not unhappy
My only concern is for the well being of the team/club that i have supported for so many years.... everything i say is in support of making us better.... ruiz had two+ seasons to make an impact and really he failed.... i think the english game is not for him
some people said we didn't use him properly, there was a 'different position' for him that would make him more effective, but never said what that position might be... the truth is he played a variety of positions and he looked lightweight in them all.
his performances at the world cup were interesting... he was in a team that really went into overdrive and when he had masses of space and time he looked OK, he doesn't get that in england, but I sincerely believe that it is best for him and us to part.
i wish him well.
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:27:55 PM
If Dejagah and/or Mitroglu leave now as well I'll be worried
I should get a prescription for some calm-you-down tablets because I imagine two out of the three and all three leaving are quite possible, even likely, events despite what Magath said
He's not gonna leave, he's determined more than ever to make his mark in England.. He's not the type to give up
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 15, 2014, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:27:55 PM
If Dejagah and/or Mitroglu leave now as well I'll be worried
I should get a prescription for some calm-you-down tablets because I imagine two out of the three and all three leaving are quite possible, even likely, events despite what Magath said
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Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Mitro has the potential to be quality in this division. I'd give him till January THEN get rid of him if we haven't seen enough.
If Magath doesn't want him we should sell now, not put him on show in the Championship with the risk that he doesn't perform or doesn't recover from his injury.
If Magath does want him in the PL then I would loan him out for a year. As has been said for other players, rainy Tuesday nights in the north in front of small crowds is probably not going to motivate Mitroglu if the PL and the World Cup didn't spark him into life.
Quote from: nose on July 15, 2014, 10:40:18 PM
Quote from: Holders on July 15, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
Pity - but at least Nose will be happy.
i am not unhappy
My only concern is for the well being of the team/club that i have supported for so many years.... everything i say is in support of making us better.... ruiz had two+ seasons to make an impact and really he failed.... i think the english game is not for him
some people said we didn't use him properly, there was a 'different position' for him that would make him more effective, but never said what that position might be... the truth is he played a variety of positions and he looked lightweight in them all.
his performances at the world cup were interesting... he was in a team that really went into overdrive and when he had masses of space and time he looked OK, he doesn't get that in england, but I sincerely believe that it is best for him and us to part.
i wish him well.
Yes, I agree with every word of that too.
I'd suggest he's lacking fitness not motivation
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 15, 2014, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Mitro has the potential to be quality in this division. I'd give him till January THEN get rid of him if we haven't seen enough.
If Magath doesn't want him we should sell now, not put him on show in the Championship with the risk that he doesn't perform or doesn't recover from his injury.
If Magath does want him in the PL then I would loan him out for a year. As has been said for other players, rainy Tuesday nights in the north in front of small crowds is probably not going to motivate Mitroglu if the PL and the World Cup didn't spark him into life.
Perhaps we shouldn't blame him for the club's view that he was the silver bullet in a dire situation, and one in which the club panicked and threw cash at a player unfit and unsuitable.
But in my book he is just another high cost cock-up to match some of the monumental wastes of cash in our recent past.
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 10:52:24 PM
I'd suggest he's lacking fitness not motivation
Is that Mitroglu you are talking about?
I didn't see much of his World Cup performances but the impression seemed to be that he still looked as though he was coming back from a long layoff during which he hadn't been taking much care with his diet.
Is this a sign that he has a persistent injury that he can't shake off and begin to train seriously? Surely the World Cup should have been motivation enough to get back into serious training?
Mitro is still only 26, and it would do him a world of good to stay at Fulham for at least a season, to concentrate on his fitness. If by January, he's banging in the goals, he either leaves if we're nowhere near getting promoted, or he stays and goes up with us.
Unfortunately, footballers don't think like that these days. It's all about the money, image and limelight. Unfortunately for Mitro, I think fulham and the Championship will cramp his style so I fully expect him to be off.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 15, 2014, 11:04:13 PM
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 10:52:24 PM
I'd suggest he's lacking fitness not motivation
Is that Mitroglu you are talking about?
I didn't see much of his World Cup performances but the impression seemed to be that he still looked as though he was coming back from a long layoff during which he hadn't been taking much care with his diet.
Is this a sign that he has a persistent injury that he can't shake off and begin to train seriously? Surely the World Cup should have been motivation enough to get back into serious training?
I wouldn't judge him based on a couple of sub appearances for the most defensive team in the entire competition.
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 11:18:06 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 15, 2014, 11:04:13 PM
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 10:52:24 PM
I'd suggest he's lacking fitness not motivation
Is that Mitroglu you are talking about?
I didn't see much of his World Cup performances but the impression seemed to be that he still looked as though he was coming back from a long layoff during which he hadn't been taking much care with his diet.
Is this a sign that he has a persistent injury that he can't shake off and begin to train seriously? Surely the World Cup should have been motivation enough to get back into serious training?
I wouldn't judge him based on a couple of sub appearances for the most defensive team in the entire competition.
I am not going to judge his technical ability on what little I've seen but I am concerned about his long term injury problems and fitness.
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Mitro has the potential to be quality in this division. I'd give him till January THEN get rid of him if we haven't seen enough.
based upon what evidence?
Quote from: HatterDon on July 16, 2014, 03:23:00 AM
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Mitro has the potential to be quality in this division. I'd give him till January THEN get rid of him if we haven't seen enough.
based upon what evidence?
If you took the in form Kostas Mitroglou that existed at Olympiacos not so long ago then I'd say our friend has a point.
I'm not entirely certain that Mitroglou exists anymore though.
On the Ruiz subject, I just want him gone.
I appreciate what the ardent Ruiz supporters are saying about being played out of position, it was Berbatov's fault, Jol's fault, he just needs time, he'll come good or whatever. He's left a really, really bad taste in my mouth.
I had a really nice guitar once. It was the first ever high end Ibanez I'd ever bought for myself and I bought it new off the peg in a local shop at probably £300 more than I could have found it online. But I wanted it, so I got it.
Everything was fine until I dropped it on stage once and a crack appeared on the back of the headstock where it meets the neck. It was really only a lacquer crack mind you, but I left it in with a chap to fix it up anyways. There was nothing wrong with that guitar afterwards, it played perfectly but I ended up selling it anyway because I just couldn't shake the notion that it was now damaged goods and I'd be better off with something different.
This is exactly how I feel about Bryan Ruiz.
In my skewed perception of things he's up there with Jol and Berbatov as the primary cause of our relegation. I'm sure I'm not right, I'm sure the lad will be brilliant elsewhere. I'm sure if he stayed he'd be brilliant for us, but I don't want him to.. I just want to forget it ever happened and move on.
I'm still unconvinced about Ruiz in English football, and I also can't believe he would want to return, and I'm sure he could do better than the Championship.
The club shipped him out as soon as Jol was sacked, and that must leave a bitter taste in his mouth, and a determination to prove Fulham wrong - elsewhere.
I'm not sure how Felix would feel about him coming back - probably welcome him - he's a top player after all, but I can't see it happening though.
As for Mitro - I think he will return to his best - why not? And would certainly be an asset for us if he does, but I somehow doubt he will play for us again..
Quote from: HatterDon on July 16, 2014, 03:23:00 AM
Quote from: Pie and mash on July 15, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Mitro has the potential to be quality in this division. I'd give him till January THEN get rid of him if we haven't seen enough.
based upon what evidence?
His record before his injury plagued 6 months with us
Quote from: Aaron on July 16, 2014, 05:44:07 AM
On the Ruiz subject, I just want him gone.
I appreciate what the ardent Ruiz supporters are saying about being played out of position, it was Berbatov's fault, Jol's fault, he just needs time, he'll come good or whatever. He's left a really, really bad taste in my mouth.
I had a really nice guitar once. It was the first ever high end Ibanez I'd ever bought for myself and I bought it new off the peg in a local shop at probably £300 more than I could have found it online. But I wanted it, so I got it.
Everything was fine until I dropped it on stage once and a crack appeared on the back of the headstock where it meets the neck. It was really only a lacquer crack mind you, but I left it in with a chap to fix it up anyways. There was nothing wrong with that guitar afterwards, it played perfectly but I ended up selling it anyway because I just couldn't shake the notion that it was now damaged goods and I'd be better off with something different.
This is exactly how I feel about Bryan Ruiz.
In my skewed perception of things he's up there with Jol and Berbatov as the primary cause of our relegation. I'm sure I'm not right, I'm sure the lad will be brilliant elsewhere. I'm sure if he stayed he'd be brilliant for us, but I don't want him to.. I just want to forget it ever happened and move on.
Me too, lets move on and start again. I dont think ruiz was as much to blame as berbatov though. Ruiz did get dropped and didnt treat his team mates like he was superior to them. It just didnt work out for him here and alot of that was probably down to having to accommodate berbatov. Its a shame but I dont think ruiz did enough to deserve a second chance and I doubt he wants one anyway
Quote from: RaySmith on July 16, 2014, 06:31:20 AM
As for Mitro - I think he will return to his best
but I somehow doubt it will happen.
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Ruiz, Dejagah, Mitroglou and Stekelenberg will only be with us after the transfer window closes if proposed moves fall through. They are all too high profile to stay with us in the Championship. Its all about getting the best deals we can for them and replacing them with the best possible players we can get for the level we are at (or placing faith in the young players to come in). In mitro's case, because of the huge fee we paid and how recent it was and because its not clear if the injury is still affecting him, it will probably be a season loan. We can't expect to get anywhere near the amount we paid for him right now. Surely supporters cant expect to see these players still at the club come September..
Quote from: beijing ben on July 16, 2014, 07:23:08 AM
Ruiz, Dejagah, Mitroglou and Stekelenberg will only be with us after the transfer window closes if proposed moves fall through. They are all too high profile to stay with us in the Championship. Its all about getting the best deals we can for them and replacing them with the best possible players we can get for the level we are at (or placing faith in the young players to come in). In mitro's case, because of the huge fee we paid and how recent it was and because its not clear if the injury is still affecting him, it will probably be a season loan. We can't expect to get anywhere near the amount we paid for him right now. Surely supporters cant expect to see these players still at the club come September..
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Quote from: RaySmith on July 16, 2014, 06:31:20 AM
I'm still unconvinced about Ruiz in English football, and I also can't believe he would want to return, and I'm sure he could do better than the Championship.
The club shipped him out as soon as Jol was sacked, and that must leave a bitter taste in his mouth, and a determination to prove Fulham wrong - elsewhere.
I'm not sure how Felix would feel about him coming back - probably welcome him - he's a top player after all, but I can't see it happening though.
Agree, however we have no idea how Felix feels about him as, to my knowledge, he's made no comment beyond "he's a good player". That doesn't mean that he wants to keep him or that he's the type to fit into a Felix team. It would be really good to know what he really thinks, even if it's only after he's left but I think that Felix would be too polite/tactful to say if he didn't rate him. If I ever meet Felix I'll ask him. Personally, I'd love to see how Felix would use him just out of curiosity but I can't see it happening as I agree that he's too good for Div 2.
As to Mitro, what I can't get my head around is why he was given and signed a 4-year deal when we were in the position we were in January if there were no intention of him staying with us if the worst happened. Thus, I don't see that his leaving should be inevitable unless there is some kind of relegation contingency that hasn't come to light yet. Mitro has inferred nothing in his comments. Either that or maybe I'm missing some illogical subtlety - like everyone thought he was the silver bullet and we would stay up.
We have been discussing the Ruiz/Mitroglou/Dejegah issue all summer, lets hope Felix is not still talking about it but rather has a firm policy on the matter. That is either he wants them to stay or leave.
The continued uncertainty cannot but harm the team, with but two friendlies left before the season starts we need to quickly establish our team line up and build understanding and team confidence.
The matter needs sorting and sooner rather than later.
A hard simple fact is that of the three players the only Dejagah has proved himself worth keeping.
to be fair Mitro has hardly played as injured, clearly injured, if fully fit and playing 85% and above of that he showed prior to his injury at Olympiakos then he could be deadly in the Championship, however that is all on if he is fit and if he attains that level of play.
Its another thing whether we should have signed him when not fit, but this topic isnt about that.
Quote from: Aaron on July 16, 2014, 05:44:07 AM
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In my skewed perception of things he's up there with Jol and Berbatov as the primary cause of our relegation. I'm sure I'm not right, I'm sure the lad will be brilliant elsewhere. I'm sure if he stayed he'd be brilliant for us, but I don't want him to.. I just want to forget it ever happened and move on.
The performances of Ruiz and Berbatov were only a symptom of the illness. The problems was that the defence fell apart and the midfield was severely weakened. Ruiz and Berbatov are luxury players who can give you something special if you have a solid team behind them. If the team behind them is falling apart then they are not going to be able to rectify the situation.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 16, 2014, 11:24:05 AM
Quote from: Aaron on July 16, 2014, 05:44:07 AM
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In my skewed perception of things he's up there with Jol and Berbatov as the primary cause of our relegation. I'm sure I'm not right, I'm sure the lad will be brilliant elsewhere. I'm sure if he stayed he'd be brilliant for us, but I don't want him to.. I just want to forget it ever happened and move on.
The performances of Ruiz and Berbatov were only a symptom of the illness. The problems was that the defence fell apart and the midfield was severely weakened. Ruiz and Berbatov are luxury players who can give you something special if you have a solid team behind them. If the team behind them is falling apart then they are not going to be able to rectify the situation.
Well put, Apprentice.
Quote from: beijing ben on July 16, 2014, 07:23:08 AM
Ruiz, Dejagah, Mitroglou and Stekelenberg will only be with us after the transfer window closes if proposed moves fall through. They are all too high profile to stay with us in the Championship. Its all about getting the best deals we can for them and replacing them with the best possible players we can get for the level we are at (or placing faith in the young players to come in). In mitro's case, because of the huge fee we paid and how recent it was and because its not clear if the injury is still affecting him, it will probably be a season loan. We can't expect to get anywhere near the amount we paid for him right now. Surely supporters cant expect to see these players still at the club come September..
This is my view too.
Quote from: filham on July 16, 2014, 10:16:51 AM
We have been discussing the Ruiz/Mitroglou/Dejegah issue all summer, lets hope Felix is not still talking about it but rather has a firm policy on the matter. That is either he wants them to stay or leave.
The continued uncertainty cannot but harm the team, with but two friendlies left before the season starts we need to quickly establish our team line up and build understanding and team confidence.
The matter needs sorting and sooner rather than later.
A hard simple fact is that of the three players the only Dejagah has proved himself worth keeping.
We have been discussing it because there are many posters with a range of views. Magath will have his own view and will act on that.
If Magath is willing to sell nothing can be done until the club receives an offer. Those seem to be coming in now following the World Cup.
Uncertainty is an inevitable consequence of the transfer window.
They want him for free apparently, :005:
Sorry if this has been up already
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