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Title: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on October 01, 2014, 02:43:13 AM
I would like to humbly apologize for not normally 'doing' political correctness which of course is not politically correct.
But I do get fed up (only a little bit of course) in being told what I can and can't say, how to say it and to whom.

an example: (and I'm sorry now for upsetting anyone, I don't mean to) but you can't say blackboard in schools now.
Why not, that's what they are, or were.  It's not racist, I think it's racist (and I stand corrected) only because the
politically correct people point it out and make it an issue. No one sits at the back of the class giggling.
Naughty me

Before I go any further I have to point out that I am not racist, my multinational staff will point out that when they
come in for their pay checks, if I say "No pay this week for Puerto Ricans, Chinese, Hunchbacks, Dwarfs (oops sorry
they're 'little people') or bald people (smack my hand, they're follickley challenged) gays, lesbians, crossdressers or
transsexuals" (oops LGBT minorities)  they know I'm only joking.
I'm sorry but little people make a nice living out of being small;
It's almost impossible to watch a movie or show without an LGBT character in it (most recently Orphan Black)
I've got absolutely nothing against any of them, just leave me alone and don't thrust it down my throat (metaphorically speaking
of course) and if I don't like any minority that's my priority isn't it ?  (If it isn't I apologize again)

Now, what's this got to do with Fulham I feel you asking (if not I'm sorry)  If you don't like this thread, either stop before
you get this far, which of course you can't have done because you got this far.

I was pestered every night by a telemarketer and got so fed up I said "Do you mind phoning back I'm in the middle of
m***ur*****g"  They never phoned again and I was waiting for a policeman to knock on my door which is politically
correct because the housing association wouldn't let me paint it lime green.

Back to Fulham, this board is getting more politically correct, not because of the mods, we know the rules and a lot of us
push them to the limit, for which I apologize  :0)
But there are people who 'pull you up' if you make a typing mistake or grammatically error, I tend to do it on porpoise to
see who bites.
We are all entytled to hour opineons, witch is grate,  But if I'd written "Vee are entitled" oops, Felix bashing (which seems to be
more 'en vogue' these day) few weeks ago I was chastised for similar
There are trends:
A current one is "this is nonsense, why did you bother to post it"  
Or the most annoying "Move along, nothing to see here"
In all humbleness I have to say "DUH off"

I sometimes think that if I posted a thread "Nothing to see here" someone would reply "Why did you say that ?"
BTW: should the question mark be before the closing speech marks or after ??

3/4 weeks ago there was a poll on 'who should be manager"  the result was resounding...Kit should be given a chance,
and everyone seemed dance the happy dance, the feel good factor was back, we got our Fulham back.
Now, after 6 halves of football and only 3 of them (1 per game) acceptable.........lot's of people....Kit out.
The news of todays committee seems to have galvanized a lot of "Kit's not ready"

This is of course all in IMHO with a lot of LOL and BTW's

Jol In........Jol out
Renee In....Rene Not good enough
The Crab (OOps) ... .No
Curbishley  .... why on earth ?
No to Pulis....which is obviously PC (and I agree with it)

No to Mackay....because he 'got caught' being Politically Incorrect.  
Saying what he felt, and everyone who has never said the 'N' word or the Honky word are on the band wagon
wagging their PC index finger  "he should never manage again"  OH dear we all 'f**k up but it's politically correct
not to admit it.  We're all in someway in our own 'publics eyes'
Glenn Hoddle was slagged off for his religious 'thing' but now there's a call for him to be considered manager.
I'm the first to slag of Ruiz, cos I think he's a poser and overrated.  It would be very PUC of me to say "I don't think
he had an outstanding World Cup" but it seems so did 100's of 'hiring managers' around the globe.
People slag off Mitro "He's a conman"  blah blah blah.

We are all quick to judge but,  "people in glass houses"  etc.......

For the longest time people have said "KHAN OUT, he hasn't got a clue".  I've never subscribed to that....Oooops
Perhaps he didn't, but he's observed and learned, and it seemed as if he's proved a lot of people wrong and dispelled
the "conspiracy theory of the block of flats"
"MACINTOSH OUT"  and I've been on that like a rash, but, with total subservience, it seems like he's a good financial person, the role he's played
in other areas, who knows, it seems like he's been pushed a little sideways

Daly, Quinn, Murphy, McBride and Jennings  (the latters involvement strikes me of a huge commitment to the
youth set up)

I even saw a post today saying something like "are the club being too open" ..........pleeeeeeeease, isn't that what we
(me included have been asking for ?) although I appreciate that I shouldn't address it in that way.

Every spleeing mistake on here is done on purpose

I apologize to the mods if they have a dilemma about this one, please delete if it's inflammatory.
Why did I write this ?
We are all Fulham fans and the bickering, sarcastic digs and pickyness is fascinating to me.

I see things like  WUM  or Attention Seeking, be honest  all of us who post on here are a bit like that
otherwise, why would we post, to offer our opinion and criticize someone Else's (IHMO) and for the 'camaraderie'
in my case.
There are loads of people who just read the posts, that's fine too, after all I wouldn't want to reply to any
thread I'd composed

To almost finish, in the words of Uriah Heap..(ish)
"I am humbled that you got this far, ever so humbled, super humbled"
Did I hear anyone say "More" ?

$2 for the first person to say something like  "Why did you bother to write this"  ?

Because I'm a sad lonely b*st*rd with nothing better to do but to hone my skills for future projects and I'm
mad as a hatter.

Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: absent cottager on October 01, 2014, 03:03:05 AM
 064.gif fantastic, you should have your own page in the match day programme.

Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Snibbo on October 01, 2014, 03:14:55 AM
Why did you bother to write this?

I'll collect 2 dollars worth of beer at a Fulham home match. Should amount to about one mouthful.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Logicalman on October 01, 2014, 03:43:43 AM
Oh No, he's run out of his PC meds again!!  An hour gone and I haven't received one complaint email yet!

 :005:
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: grimmynz on October 01, 2014, 05:00:58 AM
I'm not sure about the ? and the" but I suppose that if you're asking a question with another question in it, then both could be correct.
Did anyone reply "Why did you say that?"?
Ah, 5 o'clock. Time for a beer.
Title: Re:
Post by: Berserker on October 01, 2014, 07:30:42 AM
I actually slept most of last night. I wish I'd woken at 5 pm now just so that I could have read the OP in my darkened room. Now I'm reading it in my fully luxed kitchen, not the same affect I'm sure.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: TonyGilroy on October 01, 2014, 08:35:50 AM

The "well meaning" jibes against minorities which are not intended to be hurtful because, obviously, I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic etc are in fact exactly that.

People should not have to put up with that sort of bigotry.

Blackboards can take care of themselves but of course these diatribes always start with the preposterous to justify the prejudice.

Sorry to be serious.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: epsomraver on October 01, 2014, 09:59:54 AM

The "well meaning" jibes against minorities which are not intended to be hurtful because, obviously, I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic etc are in fact exactly that.

People should not have to put up with that sort of bigotry.

Blackboards can take care of themselves but of course these diatribes always start with the preposterous to justify the prejudice.

Sorry to be serious.

Strange though that the offended ones are not black, gay or what ever the so called slur may be but just complaining because that said person may be offended? For once I agree with Roger, didn't think I would ever say that
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Lighthouse on October 01, 2014, 10:37:21 AM

The "well meaning" jibes against minorities which are not intended to be hurtful because, obviously, I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic etc are in fact exactly that.

People should not have to put up with that sort of bigotry.

Blackboards can take care of themselves but of course these diatribes always start with the preposterous to justify the prejudice.

Sorry to be serious.

I agree but the problem is we spend so much time concerning ourselves with frowning at bigotry that we miss the point of trying to stop it. My Mum used to smile at babies and if they were black would say 'Aren't black babies lovely'. This was clearly racist. In the same way as The Black and White Minstrel Show and The Little Tar Baby and golliwogs are now considered racist. But prejudice will always exist  and we need to address it instead of becoming PC about minor discretions. I think we miss the bigger picture while concentrating on the brush strokes. Oh and yes I have been all the things that are no longer PC.

Fat people are jolly and greedy. Some are but some are suicidal with medical problems. But we miss the chance to do something by making too many people feel like victims.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: TonyGilroy on October 01, 2014, 10:48:20 AM

I've had my say and I'm now butting out because this clearly is a very non F0F topic.

Or at least it will be if I give it both barrels.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: epsomraver on October 01, 2014, 10:51:48 AM

The "well meaning" jibes against minorities which are not intended to be hurtful because, obviously, I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic etc are in fact exactly that.

People should not have to put up with that sort of bigotry.

Blackboards can take care of themselves but of course these diatribes always start with the preposterous to justify the prejudice.

Sorry to be serious.

I agree but the problem is we spend so much time concerning ourselves with frowning at bigotry that we miss the point of trying to stop it. My Mum used to smile at babies and if they were black would say 'Aren't black babies lovely'. This was clearly racist. In the same way as The Black and White Minstrel Show and The Little Tar Baby and golliwogs are now considered racist. But prejudice will always exist  and we need to address it instead of becoming PC about minor discretions. I think we miss the bigger picture while concentrating on the brush strokes. Oh and yes I have been all the things that are no longer PC.

Fat people are jolly and greedy. Some are but some are suicidal with medical problems. But we miss the chance to do something by making too many people feel like victims.

So I can't shout out who ate all the pies anymore and should report the bloke behind for calling Mc Cormack a fat b****d then , this is really plumbing the depths in who will you offend if you say anything
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: domprague on October 01, 2014, 10:55:34 AM
Or maybe they are offended but don't want to say so to their boss as he's the one saying it. I'm a fat git and you're welcome to call me that as it is my own fault. The colour of someone's skin is not down to them, however.


The "well meaning" jibes against minorities which are not intended to be hurtful because, obviously, I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic etc are in fact exactly that.

People should not have to put up with that sort of bigotry.

Blackboards can take care of themselves but of course these diatribes always start with the preposterous to justify the prejudice.

Sorry to be serious.

Strange though that the offended ones are not black, gay or what ever the so called slur may be but just complaining because that said person may be offended? For once I agree with Roger, didn't think I would ever say that
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Lighthouse on October 01, 2014, 10:57:00 AM

I've had my say and I'm now butting out because this clearly is a very non F0F topic.

Or at least it will be if I give it both barrels.


 Threats of violence with a gun. Not very politically correct. I may complain thus missing the point of the argument but oddly making mine for me.  :012:
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: TonyGilroy on October 01, 2014, 10:58:28 AM

I've had my say and I'm now butting out because this clearly is a very non F0F topic.

Or at least it will be if I give it both barrels.



 Threats of violence with a gun. Not very politically correct. I may complain thus missing the point of the argument but oddly making mine for me.  :012:

Both barrels METAPHORICALLY.

M'Lud.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: NorfolkJim on October 01, 2014, 11:04:25 AM
As an obese person - I don't much care for the "you fat B'stard" chants (Just in case they are aimed at me) and the answer to "Who ate all the pies" is me - and a number of other people.
I'm not even sure why I've written this as I'm currently signed off work with stress related depression so I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing, saying or why - A state that has got me into a lot of trouble before so I'm hiding up in the house feeling lost
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Logicalman on October 01, 2014, 12:44:29 PM

I've had my say and I'm now butting out because this clearly is a very non F0F topic.

Or at least it will be if I give it both barrels.



 Threats of violence with a gun. Not very politically correct. I may complain thus missing the point of the argument but oddly making mine for me.  :012:

Both barrels METAPHORICALLY.

M'Lud.

.. and now your using long words .. baffle us with your sesquipedalian dexterity .. I see the plan - I think  :023:
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Lighthouse on October 01, 2014, 12:56:37 PM

I've had my say and I'm now butting out because this clearly is a very non F0F topic.

Or at least it will be if I give it both barrels.



 Threats of violence with a gun. Not very politically correct. I may complain thus missing the point of the argument but oddly making mine for me.  :012:

Both barrels METAPHORICALLY.

M'Lud.

.. and now your using long words .. baffle us with your sesquipedalian dexterity .. I see the plan - I think  :023:
Sounds like a veiled attack on my penchant for cross dressing. Or dressing when very cross. Pink Chiffon is a fashion choice but the thigh boots needed all the dexterity I could muster to put them on. But were on reflection, in the ceiling mirror, a poor choice.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Wimbledon_White on October 01, 2014, 01:10:00 PM
How Mr. InVirginia had the time to write this is beyond me...don't you work man?

Good stuff though. Most amusing.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Fulham Joe on October 01, 2014, 01:13:17 PM
I sort of agree with the original post, only in my case if I wanted to get that point across, the chances of me ever being allowed to post on this board again would be none.
If the original poster dislikes political correctness, the chances are that in comparison to me he is in love with it.
I try and stick to the rules of this board as the rules have been set by the board administrator, and quite rightly so. but that doesn't mean for one second that I agree with them.
I can't stand the word racist, and anyone who labels me as such isn't worth two seconds of my attention, I decide who I like and who I don't like, and I won't be forced into accepting people just because some other (harmless word using the letters wtat but censored into a word I don't use and find offensive) says that I should.
In my general life I constantly use just about every single word that would be pounced upon by the politically protect brigade on here, and I really do mean every word.
I can remember the song that Fulham fans used to sing about Stan Horne, and in my view if they still want to sing it now they should be able to.
I despise political correctness, and I've not got a lot of time for those who have had it forced so far down their throats that they feel they now need to do exactly that to everybody else.
If this is offensive enough so as to get me banned, then my point, and that of the original poster, will have been proven to be 100% correct.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: TonyGilroy on October 01, 2014, 01:16:14 PM

Of course.

The sacred right to offend and insult anyone on the basis of their race, gender or sexuality. If they have feelings then so much the better if they're hurt.

A noble cause indeed.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Fulham Joe on October 01, 2014, 01:17:03 PM
Just read my post back, and one of my four letter words, containing the letters T.W.T.A in a different order, has not got past the censor.
Political correctness, don't you just [WORD CENSORED BY YOUR FRIENDLY MOD SQUAD] love it?
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Logicalman on October 01, 2014, 01:27:37 PM

Of course.

The sacred right to offend and insult anyone on the basis of their race, gender or sexuality. If they have feelings then so much the better if they're hurt.

A noble cause indeed.

There is no sacred right or otherwise. You know as well as many on this MB that nothing is so certain and determined. I would ask you, why can a black person use a certain word but a white person not? Is it simply because of the perceived racism associated with it? Should it not have something to do with intent? I can see it on TV every night, but I don't see demonstrations in the streets, an uprising of violence, or even protests to the TV companies.

Can anyone honestly say that they have not said something in the past year that  could be perceived as politically incorrect? I cannot, but that's because I am a product of where and at what time in the world I grew up. That's not to say I can bulldoze through life doing what I want, but it does mean that we all need to have some level of tolerance. In your sphere of experience you have surely seen that.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Burt on October 01, 2014, 01:29:19 PM
Just read my post back, and one of my four letter words, containing the letters T.W.T.A in a different order, has not got past the censor.
Political correctness, don't you just [WORD CENSORED BY YOUR FRIENDLY MOD SQUAD] love it?

Had a go at this one too  :005:
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: TonyGilroy on October 01, 2014, 01:30:58 PM
I don't see any problem in trying not to upset people.

Some people get upset too easily and sometimes we say things that we perhaps shouldn't but the basic point of PC is to treat people with respect and I don't understand those who seem to be against that as a point of principle.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: FFC1987 on October 01, 2014, 01:34:09 PM
I don't see any problem in trying not to upset people.

Some people get upset too easily and sometimes we say things that we perhaps shouldn't but the basic point of PC is to treat people with respect and I don't understand those who seem to be against that as a point of principle.

Because it becomes distorted where almost every word will eventually offend someone regardless of the context on those words. It's also easily manipulated today for better and worse!
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: absent cottager on October 01, 2014, 02:00:58 PM
As an obese person - I don't much care for the "you fat B'stard" chants (Just in case they are aimed at me) and the answer to "Who ate all the pies" is me - and a number of other people.
I'm not even sure why I've written this as I'm currently signed off work with stress related depression so I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing, saying or why - A state that has got me into a lot of trouble before so I'm hiding up in the house feeling lost

Are you serious? If so sorry to hear your troubles! Hope you can find some light in the dark soon...Have you seen documentary;  fat, sick, and nearly dead?
It's readily available online, might help....
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Rupert on October 01, 2014, 02:11:24 PM
I don't see any problem in trying not to upset people.

Some people get upset too easily and sometimes we say things that we perhaps shouldn't but the basic point of PC is to treat people with respect and I don't understand those who seem to be against that as a point of principle.

Because it becomes distorted where almost every word will eventually offend someone regardless of the context on those words. It's also easily manipulated today for better and worse!

A lesson from history-
In 1642 the King, Charles I, and his Parliament fell out with eachother, with lots of squabbling and the like carrying on until 1651, by which time roughly 2.5% of the population of the kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland had been killed. By comparison, the First and Second World Wars saw roughly 1.2% and 1.1% of the population of the UK perish.
Both sides sought to demonise eachother from an early stage. Parliament soldiers were termed "cropheads" or "roundheads", both insulting terms aimed at their (usually) wealthy officers since only poor apprentices had their hair cut close to the head, and a sign of someone's wealth was the length of their hair. Such was the hurt this insult caused in that society that Oliver Cromwell was moved to threaten to dismiss from his service any soldier who he caught calling a fellow Parliamentarian soldier a "Roundhead".

The royalists were called "cavaliers" by their enemies. This was a corruption of the Spanish word for cavalryman. The Spanish were Catholic, disliked by the protestant English, and also rivals for the new colonies springing up in the new world. Rather than be stung by this insult, the Royalists embraced it, turning "Cavalier" into a term of endearment, and the insult lost its power.

I do worry, with people throwing words like "racist" around at anyone who says anything they find dislikable, that something similar could happen. I understand where Tony is coming from, how some people can almost casually insult a whole section of the population and then be surprised when that section protests. I also understand the puzzlement caused by a section of the population claiming that they can use a word but others can not. That does smack of racism, to me.
I think we all need to be a little bit more aware of what we are saying, and to who, but we may also need to show more empathy with those we perceive as insulting us.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: TonyGilroy on October 01, 2014, 02:14:59 PM
Your last sentence nails it.

My beef is with those who want the right to insult not with those who sometimes do so unwittingly.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: RidgeRider on October 01, 2014, 03:02:42 PM

My beef is with those who want the right to insult not with those who sometimes do so unwittingly.

Exactly
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Fulham Joe on October 01, 2014, 03:21:54 PM
So a serious question.
Is it only me who finds it beyond (word that would definitely be censored) ridiculous, that the word tw@t is censored to appear as twit?
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: jarv on October 01, 2014, 03:22:04 PM
Norfolk Jim, someone beat me to it, are you serious?  If so, you have a lot of friends on here. Last year my wife and a very close friend died in the same week, I posted and got a LOT of really uplifting responses. Before anyone says, not FoF related, I am not suggesting we turn this into an agony aunt column. However, whenever someone has a genuine issue, I have read a lot of good supportive responses with advice worth taking on many subjects.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: NorfolkJim on October 01, 2014, 04:34:54 PM
Afraid so. It's something I survived before, some years back, and I'll survive it again.
Once I felt that I needed to step out in front of the bus I knew it was time to get along to the Docs again - in fact - work insisted that I go.

But this isnt Political Correct or Fulham related as such and it is as said, not an agony aunt column. In the past I found the kindness of strangers helpful on a different forum - the problem with forums is not everyone is kind - some are cruel to the afflicted.

My thanks for even asking if I was serious.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Twig on October 01, 2014, 04:42:13 PM
So a serious question.
Is it only me who finds it beyond (word that would definitely be censored) ridiculous, that the word tw@t is censored to appear as twit?

It is clearly offensive and I for one would not dream of using it.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: sunburywhite on October 01, 2014, 04:42:38 PM
The PC brigade are the same people who said school children should not be competing against each other as some one would lose and have their feelings hurt. What a load of twaddle

This idea of not competing was embraced by Jol and Magarth
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: domprague on October 01, 2014, 05:05:21 PM
NorfolkJim
I've been where you are and it is horrible. (I don't mean Norfolk). If you've had it before then you will know that it is a case of taking each day or part of a day as it comes and trying to get through that.

Afraid so. It's something I survived before, some years back, and I'll survive it again.
Once I felt that I needed to step out in front of the bus I knew it was time to get along to the Docs again - in fact - work insisted that I go.

But this isnt Political Correct or Fulham related as such and it is as said, not an agony aunt column. In the past I found the kindness of strangers helpful on a different forum - the problem with forums is not everyone is kind - some are cruel to the afflicted.

My thanks for even asking if I was serious.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Lighthouse on October 01, 2014, 05:07:26 PM
Not sure how feeling suicidal and political correctness have been mixed up. Political correctness is a term I use when we find insult and injury where none was intended. This doesn't mean it isn't in retrospect wrong to enjoy The Tar Baby as a story or collect golliwogs from Jam Jars. It simply means we shouldn't feel guilty that times have changed.

However we become lost when we start finding insult in anything said. What we need to do is simply not insult people for being other than perfect like we are. In the same way we should try and stop seeing insults were none were intended.

Title: Re:
Post by: Berserker on October 01, 2014, 05:27:38 PM
I honestly believe that all though I can't change the whole world at least I can try and change a person's world by being kind. I believe this is my purpose in life.
I must admit though I do suffer from foot in mouth disease,  and sometimes say something accidently that comes across in the wrong way but never mean it in a horrible way. There are out and out nasty people and this is what political correctness is aimed at, but sometimes people say things that come out in a different way than how they intended, and it can be taken in the wrong way, and then that's when political correctness can be deemed to be a bit over the top.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on October 01, 2014, 05:49:06 PM
I honestly believe that all though I can't change the whole world at least I can try and change a person's world by being kind. I believe this is my purpose in life.
I must admit though I do suffer from foot in mouth disease,  and sometimes say something accidently that comes across in the wrong way but never mean it in a horrible way. There are out and out nasty people and this is what political correctnesd is aimed at, but sometimes people say things that come out in a different way than how they intended, and it can be taken in the wrong way, and then that's when political correctness can be deemed to be a bit over the top.


Where I work in the south side of Richmond, the area close by is 'ghetto'  3/4 drug related murders a week etc.etc.  there's no other way to describe it or call it.

There is one word I hate and would normally never use it, but have to say it as it's in context.    ......Nigger

It stinks of a bad and cruel time of slavery.
Thank goodness for William Wilberforce

We use quite a lot of casual labor, many of them coloured guys.
When they meet people they know quite often they say  "Hi, Nigger Bro, how you hanging" or similar.

So how come they can say it to each other but if a white, yellow, pink or striped person uses the word, even in reference, dickheads like 'Rev' Jesse Jackson and the despot 'Rev' Al Sharpton, the two "Race Hustlers" of the US are all over it like a rash.  You may have seen them over there on TV agitating in Ferguson recently.
These guys are ones that say things like "Black people haven't got a chance in life"
Go tell that to the President, the current Attorney General (another crap stirrer)
Oprah Winfrey, Jennifer Hudson, Diana Ross (and an endless list of other black musicians -  anyone remember Motown)
The great Blues music from Chuck Berry, Sonny Boy Williamson et al, covered by a plethora of musicians around the globe.  Have a listen to the Stones very first album.
Bolt and numerous other colored athletes.
With time I could probably list 500 people that have been successful.

Coloured people are more racist to each other than most white people are
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Jonaldiniho 88 on October 01, 2014, 05:52:01 PM
I am going to sit firmly on the fence on this one but still have an opinion or two.
  This has been sparked, I believe by a joke about the Irish, women, men suffering from erectile disfunction and whatever else you want to be offended by. I really feel the conversation was hijacked by people on either side of this PC debate.
  Words can hurt, and even more so actions can do a lot more to segregate human beings (which is what we all are at the end of the day). I think offensive words are only a matter of context. For example; r*tard and spastic were never words designed to offend but a word in which you described a debility. They now are offensive and I wouldn't dream of using either to describe anyone with those disabilities. However give it ten years and learning disorder or mentally challenged will be unacceptable and be deemed to be offensive.
  If you are easily offended then why is that? If you feel you can use any word because it's your right why do you feel that?
  I think the problem isn't with the extremes of either as they are too far gone to change, but those in the grey area that continue in bickering and self rightsinouses (apologies for murdering English with that spelling). Wake up and stop fighting. The abuse people get on here for comments that for a very middle of the road guy aren't offensive or even intended to be so staggers me. The replies from the other side come across equally staggering. We won't all agree but if you want to discuss these issues do it somewhere else. This is the last post I will ever make on this, on this board as it is contentious and irrelavent to fulham fc.
  However anyone who wants to discuss the Israel and gaza conflict start another contentious non fulham related thread and see how many people bite.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Nick Bateman on October 01, 2014, 06:52:02 PM
I would like to humbly apologize for not normally 'doing' political correctness which of course is not politically correct.
But I do get fed up (only a little bit of course) in being told what I can and can't say, how to say it and to whom.

an example: (and I'm sorry now for upsetting anyone, I don't mean to) but you can't say blackboard in schools now.
Why not, that's what they are, or were.  It's not racist, I think it's racist (and I stand corrected) only because the
politically correct people point it out and make it an issue. No one sits at the back of the class giggling.
Naughty me

Before I go any further I have to point out that I am not racist, my multinational staff will point out that when they
come in for their pay checks, if I say "No pay this week for Puerto Ricans, Chinese, Hunchbacks, Dwarfs (oops sorry
they're 'little people') or bald people (smack my hand, they're follickley challenged) gays, lesbians, crossdressers or
transsexuals" (oops LGBT minorities)  they know I'm only joking.
I'm sorry but little people make a nice living out of being small;
It's almost impossible to watch a movie or show without an LGBT character in it (most recently Orphan Black)
I've got absolutely nothing against any of them, just leave me alone and don't thrust it down my throat (metaphorically speaking
of course) and if I don't like any minority that's my priority isn't it ?  (If it isn't I apologize again)

Now, what's this got to do with Fulham I feel you asking (if not I'm sorry)  If you don't like this thread, either stop before
you get this far, which of course you can't have done because you got this far.

I was pestered every night by a telemarketer and got so fed up I said "Do you mind phoning back I'm in the middle of
m***ur*****g"  They never phoned again and I was waiting for a policeman to knock on my door which is politically
correct because the housing association wouldn't let me paint it lime green.

Back to Fulham, this board is getting more politically correct, not because of the mods, we know the rules and a lot of us
push them to the limit, for which I apologize  :0)
But there are people who 'pull you up' if you make a typing mistake or grammatically error, I tend to do it on porpoise to
see who bites.
We are all entytled to hour opineons, witch is grate,  But if I'd written "Vee are entitled" oops, Felix bashing (which seems to be
more 'en vogue' these day) few weeks ago I was chastised for similar
There are trends:
A current one is "this is nonsense, why did you bother to post it"   
Or the most annoying "Move along, nothing to see here"
In all humbleness I have to say "DUH off"

I sometimes think that if I posted a thread "Nothing to see here" someone would reply "Why did you say that ?"
BTW: should the question mark be before the closing speech marks or after ??

3/4 weeks ago there was a poll on 'who should be manager"  the result was resounding...Kit should be given a chance,
and everyone seemed dance the happy dance, the feel good factor was back, we got our Fulham back.
Now, after 6 halves of football and only 3 of them (1 per game) acceptable.........lot's of people....Kit out.
The news of todays committee seems to have galvanized a lot of "Kit's not ready"

This is of course all in IMHO with a lot of LOL and BTW's

Jol In........Jol out
Renee In....Rene Not good enough
The Crab (OOps) ... .No
Curbishley  .... why on earth ?
No to Pulis....which is obviously PC (and I agree with it)

No to Mackay....because he 'got caught' being Politically Incorrect. 
Saying what he felt, and everyone who has never said the 'N' word or the Honky word are on the band wagon
wagging their PC index finger  "he should never manage again"  OH dear we all 'f**k up but it's politically correct
not to admit it.  We're all in someway in our own 'publics eyes'
Glenn Hoddle was slagged off for his religious 'thing' but now there's a call for him to be considered manager.
I'm the first to slag of Ruiz, cos I think he's a poser and overrated.  It would be very PUC of me to say "I don't think
he had an outstanding World Cup" but it seems so did 100's of 'hiring managers' around the globe.
People slag off Mitro "He's a conman"  blah blah blah.

We are all quick to judge but,  "people in glass houses"  etc.......

For the longest time people have said "KHAN OUT, he hasn't got a clue".  I've never subscribed to that....Oooops
Perhaps he didn't, but he's observed and learned, and it seemed as if he's proved a lot of people wrong and dispelled
the "conspiracy theory of the block of flats"
"MACINTOSH OUT"  and I've been on that like a rash, but, with total subservience, it seems like he's a good financial person, the role he's played
in other areas, who knows, it seems like he's been pushed a little sideways

Daly, Quinn, Murphy, McBride and Jennings  (the latters involvement strikes me of a huge commitment to the
youth set up)

I even saw a post today saying something like "are the club being too open" ..........pleeeeeeeease, isn't that what we
(me included have been asking for ?) although I appreciate that I shouldn't address it in that way.

Every spleeing mistake on here is done on purpose

I apologize to the mods if they have a dilemma about this one, please delete if it's inflammatory.
Why did I write this ?
We are all Fulham fans and the bickering, sarcastic digs and pickyness is fascinating to me.

I see things like  WUM  or Attention Seeking, be honest  all of us who post on here are a bit like that
otherwise, why would we post, to offer our opinion and criticize someone Else's (IHMO) and for the 'camaraderie'
in my case.
There are loads of people who just read the posts, that's fine too, after all I wouldn't want to reply to any
thread I'd composed

To almost finish, in the words of Uriah Heap..(ish)
"I am humbled that you got this far, ever so humbled, super humbled"
Did I hear anyone say "More" ?

$2 for the first person to say something like  "Why did you bother to write this"  ?

Because I'm a sad lonely b*st*rd with nothing better to do but to hone my skills for future projects and I'm
mad as a hatter.


Good piece Roger in Virginia, or is that also sexist??!!
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Neil D on October 01, 2014, 07:13:28 PM

My beef is with those who want the right to insult not with those who sometimes do so unwittingly.
I had to read this sentence several times before I understood it.  Perhaps the addition of the conjunction 'and' between 'insult' and 'not' would have made it more readily understood.  Or perhaps a comma after 'insult'.   By the way, I agree.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on October 01, 2014, 07:17:19 PM
Good piece Roger in Virginia, or is that also sexist??!!
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Depends on your agenda  ??

Not sure what it's like over there (it's been 12 years since I left)

Over here you can't even blow your nose in public, with both nostrils in case
you offend a person with only one.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: domprague on October 01, 2014, 07:51:51 PM
The original poster introduced political correctness to the thread so no one has hijacked it.
Where do you draw the line with political correctness, when do you say 'it's gone mad'.
Is it OK to have signs saying, 'Room for rent. No blacks, dogs or Irish'? Is it OK to greet black players with monkey noises and bananas? Is it OK for a woman doing the same job as a man to be paid less?
People say, 'you used to be able to speak your mind before all this political correctness'. That didn't seem to let people speak out when Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville and Stuart Hall were abusing under age girls.
The people who normally object to political correctness are the Anglo-Saxon British males. In other words, those who don't have to put up with wolf whistles or racist banter. Funny that.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Logicalman on October 01, 2014, 08:28:33 PM
The original poster introduced political correctness to the thread so no one has hijacked it.
Where do you draw the line with political correctness, when do you say 'it's gone mad'.
Is it OK to have signs saying, 'Room for rent. No blacks, dogs or Irish'? Is it OK to greet black players with monkey noises and bananas? Is it OK for a woman doing the same job as a man to be paid less?
People say, 'you used to be able to speak your mind before all this political correctness'. That didn't seem to let people speak out when Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville and Stuart Hall were abusing under age girls.
The people who normally object to political correctness are the Anglo-Saxon British males. In other words, those who don't have to put up with wolf whistles or racist banter. Funny that.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your last point.

I am a white Anglo-Saxon British hetro male, with hair and a London accent. So by your - incorrect- assumption, I cannot be subject to racist banter? You've never visited Gary, Indiana, or redneck Oklahoma have you? In both places I have suffered the same abuse that I have heard of on here (excluding the sexual kind). I have been threatened simply because I am English, I have been verbally abused because I am white, so to claim such 'Anglo-Saxon British males' don't have to put up with racism is pure twaddle.

The difference is, I didn't have some government-backed and paid for group to shout the odds for me.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: domprague on October 01, 2014, 09:39:26 PM
My point was about being in the UK.

The original poster introduced political correctness to the thread so no one has hijacked it.
Where do you draw the line with political correctness, when do you say 'it's gone mad'.
Is it OK to have signs saying, 'Room for rent. No blacks, dogs or Irish'? Is it OK to greet black players with monkey noises and bananas? Is it OK for a woman doing the same job as a man to be paid less?
People say, 'you used to be able to speak your mind before all this political correctness'. That didn't seem to let people speak out when Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville and Stuart Hall were abusing under age girls.
The people who normally object to political correctness are the Anglo-Saxon British males. In other words, those who don't have to put up with wolf whistles or racist banter. Funny that.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your last point.

I am a white Anglo-Saxon British hetro male, with hair and a London accent. So by your - incorrect- assumption, I cannot be subject to racist banter? You've never visited Gary, Indiana, or redneck Oklahoma have you? In both places I have suffered the same abuse that I have heard of on here (excluding the sexual kind). I have been threatened simply because I am English, I have been verbally abused because I am white, so to claim such 'Anglo-Saxon British males' don't have to put up with racism is pure twaddle.

The difference is, I didn't have some government-backed and paid for group to shout the odds for me.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: epsomraver on October 01, 2014, 11:24:57 PM
The original poster introduced political correctness to the thread so no one has hijacked it.
Where do you draw the line with political correctness, when do you say 'it's gone mad'.
Is it OK to have signs saying, 'Room for rent. No blacks, dogs or Irish'? Is it OK to greet black players with monkey noises and bananas? Is it OK for a woman doing the same job as a man to be paid less?
People say, 'you used to be able to speak your mind before all this political correctness'. That didn't seem to let people speak out when Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville and Stuart Hall were abusing under age girls.
The people who normally object to political correctness are the Anglo-Saxon British males. In other words, those who don't have to put up with wolf whistles or racist banter. Funny that.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your last point.

I am a white Anglo-Saxon British hetro male, with hair and a London accent. So by your - incorrect- assumption, I cannot be subject to racist banter? You've never visited Gary, Indiana, or redneck Oklahoma have you? In both places I have suffered the same abuse that I have heard of on here (excluding the sexual kind). I have been threatened simply because I am English, I have been verbally abused because I am white, so to claim such 'Anglo-Saxon British males' don't have to put up with racism is pure twaddle.

The difference is, I didn't have some government-backed and paid for group to shout the odds for me.

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Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: epsomraver on October 01, 2014, 11:26:54 PM
The original poster introduced political correctness to the thread so no one has hijacked it.
Where do you draw the line with political correctness, when do you say 'it's gone mad'.
Is it OK to have signs saying, 'Room for rent. No blacks, dogs or Irish'? Is it OK to greet black players with monkey noises and bananas? Is it OK for a woman doing the same job as a man to be paid less?
People say, 'you used to be able to speak your mind before all this political correctness'. That didn't seem to let people speak out when Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville and Stuart Hall were abusing under age girls.
The people who normally object to political correctness are the Anglo-Saxon British males. In other words, those who don't have to put up with wolf whistles or racist banter. Funny that.

So you have had to put up with wolf whistles and racist banter, you are kidding arn't you?
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Logicalman on October 01, 2014, 11:42:34 PM
My point was about being in the UK.

The original poster introduced political correctness to the thread so no one has hijacked it.
Where do you draw the line with political correctness, when do you say 'it's gone mad'.
Is it OK to have signs saying, 'Room for rent. No blacks, dogs or Irish'? Is it OK to greet black players with monkey noises and bananas? Is it OK for a woman doing the same job as a man to be paid less?
People say, 'you used to be able to speak your mind before all this political correctness'. That didn't seem to let people speak out when Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville and Stuart Hall were abusing under age girls.
The people who normally object to political correctness are the Anglo-Saxon British males. In other words, those who don't have to put up with wolf whistles or racist banter. Funny that.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your last point.

I am a white Anglo-Saxon British hetro male, with hair and a London accent. So by your - incorrect- assumption, I cannot be subject to racist banter? You've never visited Gary, Indiana, or redneck Oklahoma have you? In both places I have suffered the same abuse that I have heard of on here (excluding the sexual kind). I have been threatened simply because I am English, I have been verbally abused because I am white, so to claim such 'Anglo-Saxon British males' don't have to put up with racism is pure twaddle.

The difference is, I didn't have some government-backed and paid for group to shout the odds for me.

Then you are saying its not ok to racially abuse Irish folks in England, but its OK for me to get abuse in the States for being a white Englishman? I thought the WHOLE point of PC was to make it the same for every Country. Can you see how easy it is to have your own words turned against you by a PC-driven person? (don't be alarmed, i'm being the devils advocate here)

There is a saying, in the UK, regarding goose and gander, and as far as I'm concerned, the racial abuse I received because of my color and country was nothing different from the same the ethnic minorities and folks from Ireland receive in England.

The biggest difference I can see is that when someone makes a joke that uses my color or my ethnicity, or even the way I speak, I let it roll, if its a funny joke I laugh with them, if its not then I groan at them, because, and I believe its the same as the majority of jokes made on this site, its not actually directed at one individual, or even a couple of them. I liked Dave Allen not because he told Irish jokes, but because he was a funny person, who could deliver the joke, notwithstanding its apparent PC targets. I hated Bernard Manning, because he deliberately set out to abuse any group racially and ethnically.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: domprague on October 02, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
OK, you've been to the States and got racially abused there. The point I was trying to make was saying that, in the UK, white Anglo-Saxon males tend not to get nearly as much abuse as women or people who aren't white. They are the ones who are dishing out the wolf whistles and banter so they are the ones with most to lose from what they see as 'political correctness'.

No, epsomraver, I haven't had to put up with wolf whistles but I have had to put up with racist banter because of my Irish surname. That wasn't my point. My point was that it is generally about power.
If you had to put up with your boss calling you 'Sugertits' or saying 'all you black lads look the same to me' you probably won't object because your boss has the power in that situation.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: Logicalman on October 02, 2014, 12:32:24 PM
OK, you've been to the States and got racially abused there. The point I was trying to make was saying that, in the UK, white Anglo-Saxon males tend not to get nearly as much abuse as women or people who aren't white. They are the ones who are dishing out the wolf whistles and banter so they are the ones with most to lose from what they see as 'political correctness'.

No, I live in the States now and face racial abuse in certain places. Therefore your point about the White Anglo-Saxon male is moot, except in certain Countries. You are black, you see it from one side, and until I came over here I didn't realize what it felt like, but I'm not going to call all black America bosses racists, or even the majority of them, its simply a minority or are stupid and should be treated as such.
Again, the difference is, people often appear to be seeing ALL potential racial remarks as being deliberately derogatory when they are not always meant that way, and the PC situation makes no determination to allow anything else, which is a pity.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: domprague on October 02, 2014, 01:06:46 PM
I'm not black. I'm a white Anglo-Saxon male with a posh voice. I've had racist grief about my Irish name but since my family haven't been Irish for nearly 200 years I don't take it personally.
I think you make a good point about people taking too many remarks as being derogatory - you end up with a 'little boy who cried wolf' situation where people try and hide behind the idea of banter - such as the captain of a side not too far from the Cottage.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: FFC1987 on October 02, 2014, 02:17:55 PM
I'm not black. I'm a white Anglo-Saxon male with a posh voice. I've had racist grief about my Irish name but since my family haven't been Irish for nearly 200 years I don't take it personally.
I think you make a good point about people taking too many remarks as being derogatory - you end up with a 'little boy who cried wolf' situation where people try and hide behind the idea of banter - such as the captain of a side not too far from the Cottage.

What do you make of this. I come from Suffolk where people who are mixed race, describe themselves as 'half caste' (many, still do) so I took the term around with me with ignorance that it could cause offence.

I went to uni and was describing a player from the opposing team at half time and said 'the half caste lad on the wing...' and was told in no short terms that I was a racist from a white Anglo Saxon male from my team. He, knowing my background and I unsure of his or the gentlemen from the opposing team made me feel bloody small considering I was unaware of the ramifications of that term. To me at this time, I was still stunned firstly I had caused offence and that this phase an an alternative meaning.

I was later enlightened in a cultural history lesson on why that term could cause offence but in honesty, I still don't agree that me using it is racist because the context behind is so far removed from the original saying that it no longer is derogatory. I know consciously use the term 'mixed race' as I mentioned earier but now I'm told, that's also offensive!!!

My point is, where does it end. I don't want to cause offense to anyone but I also don't want to feel as though i'm constantly stepping on egg shells and eventually told what i'm saying is racist (making me feel as awful as i did on that day). For me, that's where PC fails me.
Title: Re: Political correctness - Fulham related eventually
Post by: YankeeJim on October 03, 2014, 01:24:38 AM
Like so many things, political correctness started as a good thing. Here in the states, it has become a weapon. The state of California is considering a requirement that all colleges include  in their orientation an explanation as to what constitutes a yes in the sexual realm. In short, all these hormoned up 18-19 year olds will have a class on what means  yes so that they don't have sex without permission or more likely so that the yes can be withdrawn if the young lady has had one pint too many and decides the next day she didn't mean it.

There is an LA  radio talk show host who coined the word, "victocrat". That being someone who finds all troubles in life to be the fault of others; in other words a professional victim. "I failed because I'm (insert excuse here) not because I wasn't good enough". There is too much of that and as a result when legitimate cases come up, too many think there're just looking at another victocrat. To me, political correctness is all to easily overboard, rather than addressing real problems of society.  


As to other matters, I have met Logicalman and can understand why he doesn't get wolf whistles. LOL

Title: Re:
Post by: Berserker on October 03, 2014, 07:29:08 AM
Oh I think that's a bit harsh on Logicalman, he's perfectly ok looking imo ;)