No team wins every game - not with this mismatched squad of juniors for certain that Magath left us with
Just be thankful we hopefully won't be in a relegation battle
Be thankful we are being managed by a young, enthusiastic and good man-manager
Surely we have all written off this season by now and are just looking to steady the ship for next year
I am quite sure that the owner, manager and board are all too well aware of the problems in the squad - KS knows them all and is putting together the best we have - all this rubbish about the tactics we should have played is errant nonsense - he is getting the absolute best possible out of what we have at the moment
Be realistic
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Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
No team wins every game - not with this mismatched squad of juniors for certain that Magath left us with
Just be thankful we hopefully won't be in a relegation battle
Be thankful we are being managed by a young, enthusiastic and good man-manager
Surely we have all written off this season by now and are just looking to steady the ship for next year
I am quite sure that the owner, manager and board are all too well aware of the problems in the squad - KS knows them all and is putting together the best we have - all this rubbish about the tactics we should have played is errant nonsense - he is getting the absolute best possible out of what we have at the moment
Be realistic
He obv didnt get the best out of them today ... :005:
I feel really sorry for Bournemouth because they are not even very good. They are good at what they do but should they get promoted they will have just one season in the top flight. They could well be relegated with less points than any club previously relegated. The Reason being is their Stadium holds a maximum 10,000. That is very sad. It means that they will have no money to spend. So good luck to them this season
I agree with the OP I feel sure kit knows almost totally that his squad is short of the requisite quality and is a bit unbalanced. However the continual playing of a liability when there others that would at least put in more obvious effort would be a step in the right directon. The last three games I have seen the man who reputedly had a good world cup, were so poor that he wouldn't make the conference. jis ledgendary ability is certainly well hidden because he never displays it for us... so effectively we only play with 10// actually it's worse than that because a body might give a false appearance of being involved in the game which the man in question isn;t.
It is the tragedy of the season is that as we have improived as team the gentlemen who reputedly had the good world cup, has not, if anything he is more lamentable now than before because he doesn't even seem to pretend to try.
Quote from: Andy S on December 26, 2014, 08:37:30 PM
I feel really sorry for Bournemouth because they are not even very good. They are good at what they do but should they get promoted they will have just one season in the top flight. They could well be relegated with less points than any club previously relegated. The Reason being is their Stadium holds a maximum 10,000. That is very sad. It means that they will have no money to spend. So good luck to them this season
They are top on merit and if they are promoted they have earnt that right just like everyone else. They most likely would go back down straight away but how incredible it will be for their fans to experience it for just one year.
I'd rather a club live a disbelieving dream like we did in Europe than a club like Leeds take their "rightful' place back amongst the others on their pedestal.
Good luck to them, they deserve it. Probably the smallest club ever to make it if they do
Quote from: nose on December 26, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
I agree with the OP I feel sure kit knows almost totally that his squad is short of the requisite quality and is a bit unbalanced. However the continual playing of a liability when there others that would at least put in more obvious effort would be a step in the right directon. The last three games I have seen the man who reputedly had a good world cup, were so poor that he wouldn't make the conference. jis ledgendary ability is certainly well hidden because he never displays it for us... so effectively we only play with 10// actually it's worse than that because a body might give a false appearance of being involved in the game which the man in question isn;t.
It is the tragedy of the season is that as we have improived as team the gentlemen who reputedly had the good world cup, has not, if anything he is more lamentable now than before because he doesn't even seem to pretend to try.
Not there today so cannot comment about his performance but I thought Bryan played ok at Elland Road and really well against Wednesday....was he that poor today??..
coyw
Quote from: Travers Barney on December 26, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
Quote from: nose on December 26, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
I agree with the OP I feel sure kit knows almost totally that his squad is short of the requisite quality and is a bit unbalanced. However the continual playing of a liability when there others that would at least put in more obvious effort would be a step in the right directon. The last three games I have seen the man who reputedly had a good world cup, were so poor that he wouldn't make the conference. jis ledgendary ability is certainly well hidden because he never displays it for us... so effectively we only play with 10// actually it's worse than that because a body might give a false appearance of being involved in the game which the man in question isn;t.
It is the tragedy of the season is that as we have improived as team the gentlemen who reputedly had the good world cup, has not, if anything he is more lamentable now than before because he doesn't even seem to pretend to try.
Not there today so cannot comment about his performance but I thought Bryan played ok at Elland Road and really well against Wednesday....was he that poor today??..
coyw
No he wasn't that poor and we looked less effective when he was substituted. He put a shift in again today, just a shame he never got a foot on Staff's cross early doors in the second half. It might have changed the game.
Quote from: Luka on December 26, 2014, 10:14:22 PM
Quote from: Travers Barney on December 26, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
Quote from: nose on December 26, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
I agree with the OP I feel sure kit knows almost totally that his squad is short of the requisite quality and is a bit unbalanced. However the continual playing of a liability when there others that would at least put in more obvious effort would be a step in the right directon. The last three games I have seen the man who reputedly had a good world cup, were so poor that he wouldn't make the conference. jis ledgendary ability is certainly well hidden because he never displays it for us... so effectively we only play with 10// actually it's worse than that because a body might give a false appearance of being involved in the game which the man in question isn;t.
It is the tragedy of the season is that as we have improived as team the gentlemen who reputedly had the good world cup, has not, if anything he is more lamentable now than before because he doesn't even seem to pretend to try.
Not there today so cannot comment about his performance but I thought Bryan played ok at Elland Road and really well against Wednesday....was he that poor today??..
coyw
No he wasn't that poor and we looked less effective when he was substituted. He put a shift in again today, just a shame he never got a foot on Staff's cross early doors in the second half. It might have changed the game.
Thanks Luka...concurs with the other feedback I have had....he'd always be in my team.
coyw
Quote from: Travers Barney on December 26, 2014, 11:09:33 PM
Quote from: Luka on December 26, 2014, 10:14:22 PM
Quote from: Travers Barney on December 26, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
Quote from: nose on December 26, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
I agree with the OP I feel sure kit knows almost totally that his squad is short of the requisite quality and is a bit unbalanced. However the continual playing of a liability when there others that would at least put in more obvious effort would be a step in the right directon. The last three games I have seen the man who reputedly had a good world cup, were so poor that he wouldn't make the conference. jis ledgendary ability is certainly well hidden because he never displays it for us... so effectively we only play with 10// actually it's worse than that because a body might give a false appearance of being involved in the game which the man in question isn;t.
It is the tragedy of the season is that as we have improived as team the gentlemen who reputedly had the good world cup, has not, if anything he is more lamentable now than before because he doesn't even seem to pretend to try.
Not there today so cannot comment about his performance but I thought Bryan played ok at Elland Road and really well against Wednesday....was he that poor today??..
coyw
No he wasn't that poor and we looked less effective when he was substituted. He put a shift in again today, just a shame he never got a foot on Staff's cross early doors in the second half. It might have changed the game.
Thanks Luka...concurs with the other feedback I have had....he'd always be in my team.
coyw
No problem and as always football is all about opinions.
Just a shame that many jump on the band wagon and slag the ruiz off.
He got subbed for Williams who was his usual unconvincing self.
(just my opinion of course !!).
Quote from: Luka on December 26, 2014, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: Travers Barney on December 26, 2014, 11:09:33 PM
Quote from: Luka on December 26, 2014, 10:14:22 PM
Quote from: Travers Barney on December 26, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
Quote from: nose on December 26, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
I agree with the OP I feel sure kit knows almost totally that his squad is short of the requisite quality and is a bit unbalanced. However the continual playing of a liability when there others that would at least put in more obvious effort would be a step in the right directon. The last three games I have seen the man who reputedly had a good world cup, were so poor that he wouldn't make the conference. jis ledgendary ability is certainly well hidden because he never displays it for us... so effectively we only play with 10// actually it's worse than that because a body might give a false appearance of being involved in the game which the man in question isn;t.
It is the tragedy of the season is that as we have improived as team the gentlemen who reputedly had the good world cup, has not, if anything he is more lamentable now than before because he doesn't even seem to pretend to try.
Not there today so cannot comment about his performance but I thought Bryan played ok at Elland Road and really well against Wednesday....was he that poor today??..
coyw
No he wasn't that poor and we looked less effective when he was substituted. He put a shift in again today, just a shame he never got a foot on Staff's cross early doors in the second half. It might have changed the game.
Thanks Luka...concurs with the other feedback I have had....he'd always be in my team.
coyw
No problem and as always football is all about opinions.
Just a shame that many jump on the band wagon and slag the ruiz off.
He got subbed for Williams who was his usual unconvincing self.
(just my opinion of course !!).
When is a band wagon just someone's opinion? Second person I have seen have a go about Williams, did you just flag the wagon down?
Quote from: nose on December 26, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
I agree with the OP I feel sure kit knows almost totally that his squad is short of the requisite quality and is a bit unbalanced. However the continual playing of a liability when there others that would at least put in more obvious effort would be a step in the right directon. The last three games I have seen the man who reputedly had a good world cup, were so poor that he wouldn't make the conference. jis ledgendary ability is certainly well hidden because he never displays it for us... so effectively we only play with 10// actually it's worse than that because a body might give a false appearance of being involved in the game which the man in question isn;t.
It is the tragedy of the season is that as we have improived as team the gentlemen who reputedly had the good world cup, has not, if anything he is more lamentable now than before because he doesn't even seem to pretend to try.
Stuff like this is just getting boring..
What Bournemouth have is a fantastic young manager. Their team is better than the sum of their parts. They by no means have the best players in the division, but they are set up to play to their strengths and tactically nullify the opposition.
Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
No team wins every game - not with this mismatched squad of juniors for certain that Magath left us with
This seems to be your mantra and yet it has rather a hollow ring: our two centre-backs, our centre midfield pairing and our two strikers today were all experienced players (and our left-back has 60-odd appearances under his belt, so he's not exactly wet behind the ears.)
Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
Surely we have all written off this season by now and are just looking to steady the ship for next year
No, I hadn't written off this season (with good reason).
Before today, we had amassed 27 points from our previous 14 matches. Before today, with 24 games left, a further 47 points would give us a total that has been enough to qualify for the play-offs in each of the past five seasons.
Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
all this rubbish about the tactics we should have played is errant nonsense...
Is it?
Eddie Howe seemed to have done his homework. Just like Watford a few weeks ago, his team played at a high tempo from the first whistle, and just like the Watford game, we weren't prepared for it. Bournemouth fashioned three decent chances even before they scored. They produced 10 minutes of power-play and we were simply swept aside.
Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
- he is getting the absolute best possible out of what we have at the moment
Maybe.
It is worth remembering, however, that we had the chance to appoint Chris Hughton, an experienced manager whose record suggests that we might have given Bournemouth more of a test than we did today.
Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
Be realistic
Indeed!
Quote from: Luka on December 26, 2014, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: Travers Barney on December 26, 2014, 11:09:33 PM
Quote from: Luka on December 26, 2014, 10:14:22 PM
Quote from: Travers Barney on December 26, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
Quote from: nose on December 26, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
I agree with the OP I feel sure kit knows almost totally that his squad is short of the requisite quality and is a bit unbalanced. However the continual playing of a liability when there others that would at least put in more obvious effort would be a step in the right directon. The last three games I have seen the man who reputedly had a good world cup, were so poor that he wouldn't make the conference. jis ledgendary ability is certainly well hidden because he never displays it for us... so effectively we only play with 10// actually it's worse than that because a body might give a false appearance of being involved in the game which the man in question isn;t.
It is the tragedy of the season is that as we have improived as team the gentlemen who reputedly had the good world cup, has not, if anything he is more lamentable now than before because he doesn't even seem to pretend to try.
Not there today so cannot comment about his performance but I thought Bryan played ok at Elland Road and really well against Wednesday....was he that poor today??..
coyw
No he wasn't that poor and we looked less effective when he was substituted. He put a shift in again today, just a shame he never got a foot on Staff's cross early doors in the second half. It might have changed the game.
Thanks Luka...concurs with the other feedback I have had....he'd always be in my team.
coyw
No problem and as always football is all about opinions.
Just a shame that many jump on the band wagon and slag the ruiz off.
He got subbed for Williams who was his usual unconvincing self.
(just my opinion of course !!).
I though Ruiz played well today but still wish he'd put his foot in where it hurts sometimes. He does the running and gets into shape but then let's players glide past him. Anyway, that's enough negativity, he had a good game IMO.
As for Williams, he was maybe quiet (unconvincing) when he came on to the right side but then that was the other side of the pitch to us.
I thought he looked lively when he switched to the left. Possibly unlucky with the penalty claim, I need to see it again but he drove into the box well
Arthur thank you for a reasoned dissection of my post.
I just feel that we are all being too greedy given the mess we were in after 8 games
Deano...Everytime I mention Smith you bring Trotta into the topic.
Totally different player to Smith, if you read what I say im not on about
Smith starting im on about him coming on last 20 or so
when we are 1-0 down....
Trotta is struggling at Barnsley, That was Smiths first full start today.
I think you have got in your head that I think Smith is Messi or something
lol...I know his limitations, but like ive said again and again lumping to him
last part of game gives us another option, and a chance to maybe get a point
out od the game.
Dont worry I want mention Smith again as you obv cant stand
the poor lad for some reason.
I bring Trotta into the topic as they are identical.... Trotta is a lazy forward, who is useful as a target man. Exactly what Smith is. Although I think Trotta is better with the ball at his feet and is more clinical.
I don't hate Smith, but I really don't rate him highly and certainly my think he is no better than Trotta. My response to you was a bit of light hearted fun, and a little bit of banter because as you say I have always mentioned Trotta when you talk about Smith.
The fact is they are both level pegging on the goals front, both are struggling for minutes, although Smith is in a good team, and Trotta is in a bad team. My point I was actually making, is neither are actually probably good enough for Fulham
I don't want you to stop talking about Smith, but I will keep popping my head in with the Trotta and Smith goal count for their respective loan clubs. ;) Please don't take it personally though, it is just a bit of fun .....
How many goals they score for the clubs they are at now is totally
Irrelevant...Its what they would do for us for last 15 mins that matters, and
Trotta who cant hold a candle to Smith in the heading department wouldnt be
an option..
Trotta hasnt hacked it here with how many managers?
Will end up at somewhere like Forest Green Rovers..
And im not taking it personally, im too thick skinned (like a crocodile) lol
Good response Aurthur, but Chris Hughton ? Im gald we didn't take that route, he learnt a lot of his trade from Martin Jol !
Quote from: Baszab on December 27, 2014, 07:54:22 AM
Arthur thank you for a reasoned dissection of my post.
I just feel that we are all being too greedy given the mess we were in after 8 games
the truth is kit has inherited a squad that is lacking, no more no less. and as an overall thing he has done as well, probably better, than he should have. of course there will be blips and of course all of us will not agree with all his descisions, even he will know he has made errors, but from where we were and where we are it bordering on a miracle.
i suspect if we can get the right players this window we could kick on but i am not expecting that. my hopes are more realistically pinned on next season!
Arthur, reasoned and well responded (as others have also noted) though I would challenge any assertion that Kit has not been up to the task and another manager, whomever, would have produced better results from the squad inherited.
Yep, its all hypothetical, we'll never know, but even if another manager had done better against Bournemouth, can we be certain that would be the same for all the matches, even where Kit has shown success?
And finally, given the predicament we were left in after the 8 games, how many of those class managers might have stayed around and not done a Sparky had our success not have been a play-off position come the end of the season?
Quote from: Arthur on December 27, 2014, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
No team wins every game - not with this mismatched squad of juniors for certain that Magath left us with
This seems to be your mantra and yet it has rather a hollow ring: our two centre-backs, our centre midfield pairing and our two strikers today were all experienced players (and our left-back has 60-odd appearances under his belt, so he's not exactly wet behind the ears.)
Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
Surely we have all written off this season by now and are just looking to steady the ship for next year
No, I hadn't written off this season (with good reason).
Before today, we had amassed 27 points from our previous 14 matches. Before today, with 24 games left, a further 47 points would give us a total that has been enough to qualify for the play-offs in each of the past five seasons.
Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
all this rubbish about the tactics we should have played is errant nonsense...
Is it?
Eddie Howe seemed to have done his homework. Just like Watford a few weeks ago, his team played at a high tempo from the first whistle, and just like the Watford game, we weren't prepared for it. Bournemouth fashioned three decent chances even before they scored. They produced 10 minutes of power-play and we were simply swept aside.
Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
- he is getting the absolute best possible out of what we have at the moment
Maybe.
It is worth remembering, however, that we had the chance to appoint Chris Hughton, an experienced manager whose record suggests that we might have given Bournemouth more of a test than we did today.
Quote from: Baszab on December 26, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
Be realistic
Indeed!
After 8 games when we had 1 point, how many would have assumed we would get 27 points from 15 games? If anyone had said that, they would have been shot down for being far too optimistic! How can people say Kit hasn't got the best from the squad is beyond me! We have the odd blip, which is almost inevitable given the way the team didn't know each other when Kit took over, and Kit gets a slating!
I wasn't there yesterday so I cant comment on whether they didn't bother trying, which is some of what I have read, but we need a dose of reality here. I for one would have taken nearly 2 points a game average and I am sure Kit would as well. In Kit I trust!
Quote from: Artful Dodger on December 27, 2014, 11:09:44 AM
After 8 games when we had 1 point, how many would have assumed we would get 27 points from 15 games? How can people say Kit hasn't got the best from the squad is beyond me!
As you might expect from my previous post, I am not surprised at our form.
You, it seems, have made the assumption that the single point that we gained from our opening eight fixtures shows that we have one of the a poorer squads at this level. I don't agree. I believe that our squad is a good one - less inexperienced than many, but talented. And I am still to be convinced that Kit is getting the best out of the players that we have.
By way of illustration, on the basis of yesterday, I doubt that Eddie Howe would want to replace a single man in his Bournemouth side with his Fulham counterpart for their next match, such was the gulf in the performance of the two teams. Had Howe, however, been able to add the likes of McCormack, Parker et al to his squad at the beginning of the season, I suspect he would be picking a rather different starting XI with, arguably, half of his outfield players coming from the current Fulham team.
Of course, (as has been pointed out already) this is all hypothetical. The fact is that we have amassed 27 points from 15 matches and if we maintained this form throughout an entire season, we would certainly qualify for the play-offs. There is no case to be made for saying that Kit doesn't deserve to continue as our manager.
Nonetheless, I contend that we have been comprehensively outplayed in each of the last three defeats we have suffered. Our victories, on the other hand, tend to have a common theme in that the scoreline exceeds the performance. While, understandably, many will simply look at the results and be satisfied, it is not unreasonable to note these trends and reserve judgement on Symons's suitability until it becomes clearer whether he has the qualities to lead a genuine attempt to be promoted back to the Premier League next season.
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on December 26, 2014, 09:58:01 PM
Quote from: Andy S on December 26, 2014, 08:37:30 PM
I feel really sorry for Bournemouth because they are not even very good. They are good at what they do but should they get promoted they will have just one season in the top flight. They could well be relegated with less points than any club previously relegated. The Reason being is their Stadium holds a maximum 10,000. That is very sad. It means that they will have no money to spend. So good luck to them this season
They are top on merit and if they are promoted they have earnt that right just like everyone else. They most likely would go back down straight away but how incredible it will be for their fans to experience it for just one year.
I'd rather a club live a disbelieving dream like we did in Europe than a club like Leeds take their "rightful' place back amongst the others on their pedestal.
Good luck to them, they deserve it. Probably the smallest club ever to make it if they do
Nah, that's QPR!
Quote from: Andy S on December 26, 2014, 08:37:30 PM
I feel really sorry for Bournemouth because they are not even very good.
15 consecutive championship matches unbeaten.
"Not very good"
Righto.
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on December 26, 2014, 09:58:01 PM
Quote from: Andy S on December 26, 2014, 08:37:30 PM
I feel really sorry for Bournemouth because they are not even very good. They are good at what they do but should they get promoted they will have just one season in the top flight. They could well be relegated with less points than any club previously relegated. The Reason being is their Stadium holds a maximum 10,000. That is very sad. It means that they will have no money to spend. So good luck to them this season
They are top on merit and if they are promoted they have earnt that right just like everyone else. They most likely would go back down straight away but how incredible it will be for their fans to experience it for just one year.
I'd rather a club live a disbelieving dream like we did in Europe than a club like Leeds take their "rightful' place back amongst the others on their pedestal.
Good luck to them, they deserve it. Probably the smallest club ever to make it if they do
Hear hear! Surely this is what football is all about?
