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Title: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: robert on February 05, 2015, 11:11:25 AM
If I was not an Englishman and could choose to be any other nationality I would be a German.With the exception of Felix, generally speaking I have found Germans to be disciplined,hard working and intelligent.OK they lack something in the humour department but if you buy something "Made in Germany",you know it will be good quality.If you were not your present nationality which would you choose and why?
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: ron on February 05, 2015, 12:35:04 PM
The story of Lord Harris speaking to the French Ambassador, who said "Lord Harris, if I hadn't been born French, I would have wanted to have been born English...." ......

......."Now there's a coincidence", replied Harris, "If I hadn't been born English. I would have wanted to be born English too ...."
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: HatterDon on February 05, 2015, 12:51:05 PM
Well, your royal family has been able to be both British and German for quite a while now.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Rupert on February 05, 2015, 12:58:52 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on February 05, 2015, 12:51:05 PM
Well, your royal family has been able to be both British and German for quite a while now.

Your Royal Family too, Don, once we finally crush you rascally rebellious colonials once and for all.

Though Texas will go back to Mexico, won't it? Okay, Our royal Family, not yours, Gringo.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Dixie on February 05, 2015, 01:32:37 PM
I think I would like to be Canadian eh?
Would live somewhere near the Rockies and go skiing every weekend!
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Rupert on February 05, 2015, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 02:50:16 PM

Also Australia would not have excisted today if Captain Cook had not stopped to visit the bathroom.

Point of order, Australia would still exist even if CC hadn't stopped there. It might have a different name and have different people living there, but it would still exist.

A bit like the Christmas quiz at work, what was the tallest mountain in the world before Everest was discovered?

Cue a lot of head-scratching by various colleagues, while yours truly calmly stuck the correct answer down- Mount Everest.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Holders on February 05, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
The difference between English and Germans is that when the English get drunk they fight and smash the place up, the Germans sing and have a good time.

Besides, the English came from what is now Germany in the first place.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Holders on February 05, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
The difference between English and Germans is that when the English get drunk they fight and smash the place up, the Germans sing and have a good time.

Besides, the English came from what is now Germany in the first place.

They were Anglo Saxons, I was there at the time, but not all came from the Father Land, anyway, you could say that about a lot of countries in the civilised world, although that may depend on what you called civilised.
As for getting drunk, it's just as well we do fight etc, it stood us in good stead in two World Wars and one World Cup.

No, they were Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Friesians who came from Angeln (where Denmark meets Germany), Saxony, Denmark and Friesland. That is, the coastal strip from Friesland to Jutland including a large part of what is now North Germany. Just read Bede and look at the similarities in the languages for corroboration.

As for fighting, they must have been pretty good at that to have the Romans on the back foot and to capture this land in the first place.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: ealex40 on February 05, 2015, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: robert on February 05, 2015, 11:11:25 AM
If I was not an Englishman and could choose to be any other nationality I would be a German.With the exception of Felix, generally speaking I have found Germans to be disciplined,hard working and intelligent.OK they lack something in the humour department but if you buy something "Made in Germany",you know it will be good quality.If you were not your present nationality which would you choose and why?

Just before England played Germany in the 1966 World Cup final, Prime Minister Harold Wilson said "Germany hope to beat us at our national sport......well, after all we have already beaten them twice at theirs!"
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Post by: Berserker on February 05, 2015, 04:31:52 PM
I'm adopted and don't know my heritage. My birth parents lived in Radstock and my father was a miner. I have blond hair and am pale so I could come fron Viking stock.
I would like to be French, Dutch or Canadian if I'm not English.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
I like the Dutch. Northern Europeans in general tend to be very sensible and laid back. I would like to be Dutch. I used to be love my Country but as time goes by I like it less. Still a wonderful and beautiful place at times.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: CorkCity on February 05, 2015, 04:43:04 PM
I would like to be Monegasque, looks a nice place to live.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: SadOldGit on February 05, 2015, 04:55:32 PM
Quote from: Dixie on February 05, 2015, 01:32:37 PM
I think I would like to be Canadian eh?
Would live somewhere near the Rockies and go skiing every weekend!

0001.jpeg Me too!
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
I like the Dutch. Northern Europeans in general tend to be very sensible and laid back. I would like to be Dutch. I used to be love my Country but as time goes by I like it less. Still a wonderful and beautiful place at times.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Vinnieffc on February 05, 2015, 05:34:42 PM
Hmm difficult one. I'm Irish 1st, 2nd and last but if I had to take an alternative nationality I'd be a Kiwi. Beautiful country,great people and love their sport  049:gif
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
I like the Dutch. Northern Europeans in general tend to be very sensible and laid back. I would like to be Dutch. I used to be love my Country but as time goes by I like it less. Still a wonderful and beautiful place at times.


Who are those women in the windows in Amsterdam.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
I like the Dutch. Northern Europeans in general tend to be very sensible and laid back. I would like to be Dutch. I used to be love my Country but as time goes by I like it less. Still a wonderful and beautiful place at times.


Who are those women in the windows in Amsterdam.

Oh how embarrassing. I thought everybody knew who they were. They are window cleaners. Indoor window cleaners mostly.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
The difference between English and Germans is that when the English get drunk they fight and smash the place up, the Germans sing and have a good time.

Besides, the English came from what is now Germany in the first place.

They were Anglo Saxons, I was there at the time, but not all came from the Father Land, anyway, you could say that about a lot of countries in the civilised world, although that may depend on what you called civilised.
As for getting drunk, it's just as well we do fight etc, it stood us in good stead in two World Wars and one World Cup.

No, they were Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Friesians who came from Angeln (where Denmark meets Germany), Saxony, Denmark and Friesland. That is, the coastal strip from Friesland to Jutland including a large part of what is now North Germany. Just read Bede and look at the similarities in the languages for corroboration.

As for fighting, they must have been pretty good at that to have the Romans on the back foot and to capture this land in the first place.
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
The difference between English and Germans is that when the English get drunk they fight and smash the place up, the Germans sing and have a good time.

Besides, the English came from what is now Germany in the first place.

They were Anglo Saxons, I was there at the time, but not all came from the Father Land, anyway, you could say that about a lot of countries in the civilised world, although that may depend on what you called civilised.
As for getting drunk, it's just as well we do fight etc, it stood us in good stead in two World Wars and one World Cup.

No, they were Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Friesians who came from Angeln (where Denmark meets Germany), Saxony, Denmark and Friesland. That is, the coastal strip from Friesland to Jutland including a large part of what is now North Germany. Just read Bede and look at the similarities in the languages for corroboration.

As for fighting, they must have been pretty good at that to have the Romans on the back foot and to capture this land in the first place.


Thank you for the history lesson. I will refer your comments back to the English Warrior Queen Boadicea who may have something to say about.
In the meantime, may I have your observations on the Gun Powder Plot in 1705, and the grisly fate of Guido Fawkes.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
I like the Dutch. Northern Europeans in general tend to be very sensible and laid back. I would like to be Dutch. I used to be love my Country but as time goes by I like it less. Still a wonderful and beautiful place at times.


Who are those women in the windows in Amsterdam.

Oh how embarrassing. I thought everybody knew who they were. They are window cleaners. Indoor window cleaners mostly.


How come my window cleaner doesn't look like that.
Title: Re:
Post by: YankeeJim on February 05, 2015, 06:58:10 PM
Quote from: Berserker on February 05, 2015, 04:31:52 PM
I'm adopted and don't know my heritage. My birth parents lived in Radstock and my father was a miner. I have blond hair and am pale so I could come fron Viking stock.
I would like to be French, Dutch or Canadian if I'm not English.


Go to any genealogy web site. They all offer DNA testing for a nominal fee (about a $100 or less). They'll send you back your heritage. 
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on February 05, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
I like the Dutch. Northern Europeans in general tend to be very sensible and laid back. I would like to be Dutch. I used to be love my Country but as time goes by I like it less. Still a wonderful and beautiful place at times.


Who are those women in the windows in Amsterdam.

Oh how embarrassing. I thought everybody knew who they were. They are window cleaners. Indoor window cleaners mostly.


How come my window cleaner doesn't look like that.


Are you sure ?

Don't forget the corner 'cafes'
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on February 05, 2015, 07:06:52 PM

"Azoresian" (if that's a native of the Azores)
It could be Portuguese but I think I made my point.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Tony on February 05, 2015, 08:03:50 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
The difference between English and Germans is that when the English get drunk they fight and smash the place up, the Germans sing and have a good time.

Besides, the English came from what is now Germany in the first place.

I have been reading a book titled The Blood of the Isles, a DNA analysis of the inhabitants of the UK.
I seems that most of us are descendants of the old ancient britons who settled about 8000 years ago. Over 40% of us are descended from Helena born about 20,000 yeara ago (she must have been busy) and most of us are dscended from a guy called Oisin (he must have had a good time). Where they came from I am not sure.
It is a fascinating subject and it makes me tempted to have my DNA analysed to find out who my great, great, great, ............ grand parents are.

Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: ron on February 05, 2015, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
I like the Dutch. Northern Europeans in general tend to be very sensible and laid back. I would like to be Dutch. I used to be love my Country but as time goes by I like it less. Still a wonderful and beautiful place at times.


Who are those women in the windows in Amsterdam.

Oh how embarrassing. I thought everybody knew who they were. They are window cleaners. Indoor window cleaners mostly.


The red lights show up the streaks.....
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Neil D on February 05, 2015, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 05, 2015, 08:03:50 PM

It is a fascinating subject and it makes me tempted to have my DNA analysed to find out who my great, great, great, ............ grand parents are.

I've had my mitochondrial DNA tested.  It came up with the 17 closest geographical matches via the maternal line.  I'm of Italian descent but not one of them identified anywhere in Italy.  The closest matches were in France and Scotland.  Don't have a clue what any of it means.  Just hope UKIP don't get to find out and deport me.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 05, 2015, 08:03:50 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
The difference between English and Germans is that when the English get drunk they fight and smash the place up, the Germans sing and have a good time.

Besides, the English came from what is now Germany in the first place.

I have been reading a book titled The Blood of the Isles, a DNA analysis of the inhabitants of the UK.
I seems that most of us are descendants of the old ancient britons who settled about 8000 years ago. Over 40% of us are descended from Helena born about 20,000 yeara ago (she must have been busy) and most of us are dscended from a guy called Oisin (he must have had a good time). Where they came from I am not sure.
It is a fascinating subject and it makes me tempted to have my DNA analysed to find out who my great, great, great, ............ grand parents are.



They all came from their mothers, that I can tell you.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Berserker on February 05, 2015, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
I like the Dutch. Northern Europeans in general tend to be very sensible and laid back. I would like to be Dutch. I used to be love my Country but as time goes by I like it less. Still a wonderful and beautiful place at times.


Who are those women in the windows in Amsterdam.

You know I missed that when I was in Amsterdam. I think it is quite a small area, plus it was very cold
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Vinnieffc on February 05, 2015, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: Neil D on February 05, 2015, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 05, 2015, 08:03:50 PM

It is a fascinating subject and it makes me tempted to have my DNA analysed to find out who my great, great, great, ............ grand parents are.

I've had my mitochondrial DNA tested.  It came up with the 17 closest geographical matches via the maternal line.  I'm of Italian descent but not one of them identified anywhere in Italy.  The closest matches were in France and Scotland.  Don't have a clue what any of it means.  Just hope UKIP don't get to find out and deport me.

is Farage not of French descent? Please nobody tell him lest he reports himself
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: ron on February 05, 2015, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
I like the Dutch. Northern Europeans in general tend to be very sensible and laid back. I would like to be Dutch. I used to be love my Country but as time goes by I like it less. Still a wonderful and beautiful place at times.


Who are those women in the windows in Amsterdam.

Oh how embarrassing. I thought everybody knew who they were. They are window cleaners. Indoor window cleaners mostly.


The red lights show up the streaks.....

If I streaked in Amsterdam it would need more than a red light to show .......oh I see, sorry forget that.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Holders on February 06, 2015, 07:50:00 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
The difference between English and Germans is that when the English get drunk they fight and smash the place up, the Germans sing and have a good time.

Besides, the English came from what is now Germany in the first place.

They were Anglo Saxons, I was there at the time, but not all came from the Father Land, anyway, you could say that about a lot of countries in the civilised world, although that may depend on what you called civilised.
As for getting drunk, it's just as well we do fight etc, it stood us in good stead in two World Wars and one World Cup.

No, they were Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Friesians who came from Angeln (where Denmark meets Germany), Saxony, Denmark and Friesland. That is, the coastal strip from Friesland to Jutland including a large part of what is now North Germany. Just read Bede and look at the similarities in the languages for corroboration.

As for fighting, they must have been pretty good at that to have the Romans on the back foot and to capture this land in the first place.
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
The difference between English and Germans is that when the English get drunk they fight and smash the place up, the Germans sing and have a good time.

Besides, the English came from what is now Germany in the first place.

They were Anglo Saxons, I was there at the time, but not all came from the Father Land, anyway, you could say that about a lot of countries in the civilised world, although that may depend on what you called civilised.
As for getting drunk, it's just as well we do fight etc, it stood us in good stead in two World Wars and one World Cup.

No, they were Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Friesians who came from Angeln (where Denmark meets Germany), Saxony, Denmark and Friesland. That is, the coastal strip from Friesland to Jutland including a large part of what is now North Germany. Just read Bede and look at the similarities in the languages for corroboration.

As for fighting, they must have been pretty good at that to have the Romans on the back foot and to capture this land in the first place.


Thank you for the history lesson. I will refer your comments back to the English Warrior Queen Boadicea who may have something to say about.
In the meantime, may I have your observations on the Gun Powder Plot in 1705, and the grisly fate of Guido Fawkes.

Another elementary history lesson, then. Boudicca was British, not English. As you may recall, she fought the Romans and the English did not begin to settle until after the Romans had left.
Title: Re:
Post by: Berserker on February 06, 2015, 08:07:13 AM
Yes I prefer the Boudicca spelling and pronunciation
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Holders on February 06, 2015, 08:12:40 AM
Who knows how the ancient Celts spoke but that does seem to be the preferred spelling these days.

I often wonder if they teach basic history in schools these days!
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: King_Crud on February 06, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
I'm Australian but have been living in Britain for a number of years and will get my citizenship this year. I'm not sure where I belong?
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Holders on February 06, 2015, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: King_Crud on February 06, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
I'm Australian but have been living in Britain for a number of years and will get my citizenship this year. I'm not sure where I belong?

As a Fulham fan, you should be an honorary Englishman!
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: King_Crud on February 06, 2015, 09:13:14 AM
Quote from: Holders on February 06, 2015, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: King_Crud on February 06, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
I'm Australian but have been living in Britain for a number of years and will get my citizenship this year. I'm not sure where I belong?

As a Fulham fan, you should be an honorary Englishman!

I'll mention it on my citizenship application, might get a reduced fee
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Egham White on February 06, 2015, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: ron on February 05, 2015, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
I like the Dutch. Northern Europeans in general tend to be very sensible and laid back. I would like to be Dutch. I used to be love my Country but as time goes by I like it less. Still a wonderful and beautiful place at times.


Who are those women in the windows in Amsterdam.

Oh how embarrassing. I thought everybody knew who they were. They are window cleaners. Indoor window cleaners mostly.


The red lights show up the streaks.....

If I streaked in Amsterdam it would need more than a red light to show .......oh I see, sorry forget that.
I think they need help because they always seem to be beckoning to you as you pass !
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Rupert on February 06, 2015, 12:07:14 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 06, 2015, 07:50:00 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
The difference between English and Germans is that when the English get drunk they fight and smash the place up, the Germans sing and have a good time.

Besides, the English came from what is now Germany in the first place.

They were Anglo Saxons, I was there at the time, but not all came from the Father Land, anyway, you could say that about a lot of countries in the civilised world, although that may depend on what you called civilised.
As for getting drunk, it's just as well we do fight etc, it stood us in good stead in two World Wars and one World Cup.

No, they were Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Friesians who came from Angeln (where Denmark meets Germany), Saxony, Denmark and Friesland. That is, the coastal strip from Friesland to Jutland including a large part of what is now North Germany. Just read Bede and look at the similarities in the languages for corroboration.

As for fighting, they must have been pretty good at that to have the Romans on the back foot and to capture this land in the first place.
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 05, 2015, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 05, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
The difference between English and Germans is that when the English get drunk they fight and smash the place up, the Germans sing and have a good time.

Besides, the English came from what is now Germany in the first place.

They were Anglo Saxons, I was there at the time, but not all came from the Father Land, anyway, you could say that about a lot of countries in the civilised world, although that may depend on what you called civilised.
As for getting drunk, it's just as well we do fight etc, it stood us in good stead in two World Wars and one World Cup.

No, they were Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Friesians who came from Angeln (where Denmark meets Germany), Saxony, Denmark and Friesland. That is, the coastal strip from Friesland to Jutland including a large part of what is now North Germany. Just read Bede and look at the similarities in the languages for corroboration.

As for fighting, they must have been pretty good at that to have the Romans on the back foot and to capture this land in the first place.


Thank you for the history lesson. I will refer your comments back to the English Warrior Queen Boadicea who may have something to say about.
In the meantime, may I have your observations on the Gun Powder Plot in 1705, and the grisly fate of Guido Fawkes.

Another elementary history lesson, then. Boudicca was British, not English. As you may recall, she fought the Romans and the English did not begin to settle until after the Romans had left.

While not deliberately trying to make this a "pick on the hairy elephant" thread, it is worth pointing out that Guido Fawkes, the only man ever to enter Parliament with honourable intentions, did so one hundred years earlier, in 1605.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Martinsback on February 06, 2015, 12:28:04 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 06, 2015, 08:12:40 AM
Who knows how the ancient Celts spoke but that does seem to be the preferred spelling these days.

I often wonder if they teach basic history in schools these days!

I suspect that they spoke in a similar way to the Welsh and Gaelic speakers as theirs is the original language of the Celts.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Holders on February 06, 2015, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: Martinsback on February 06, 2015, 12:28:04 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 06, 2015, 08:12:40 AM
Who knows how the ancient Celts spoke but that does seem to be the preferred spelling these days.

I often wonder if they teach basic history in schools these days!

I suspect that they spoke in a similar way to the Welsh and Gaelic speakers as theirs is the original language of the Celts.

Indeed, but as English has changed a lot over the past one or two thousand years then so will the various forms of Celtic. After all, Welsh has been taken to Brittany in the meantime and Breton has evolved differences, as has Cornish etc.
Title: Re: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Berserker on February 06, 2015, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: Martinsback on February 06, 2015, 12:28:04 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 06, 2015, 08:12:40 AM
Who knows how the ancient Celts spoke but that does seem to be the preferred spelling these days.

I often wonder if they teach basic history in schools these days!

I suspect that they spoke in a similar way to the Welsh and Gaelic speakers as theirs is the original language of the Celts.
And Bretons
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on February 06, 2015, 02:57:23 PM
near Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben and the Houses of Parliament

It's a huge statue very prominent, which considering 99% of the population couldn't even tell you who she was
or, like me, knows very little about her
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Neil D on February 06, 2015, 03:03:52 PM
Quote from: Berserker on February 06, 2015, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: Martinsback on February 06, 2015, 12:28:04 PM
I suspect that they spoke in a similar way to the Welsh and Gaelic speakers as theirs is the original language of the Celts.
And Bretons
Indeed.  My wife tells a story about how her Welsh-speaking mother was on the receiving end of some snide comments in a Breton restaurant spoken in Breton in the 1950s.  As she left, she let them know exactly what she thought of them in Welsh.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Rupert on February 06, 2015, 03:28:37 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 02:40:10 PM
Also were you aware that Rupert The Bear and Attila the Hun have the same middle name.

Yes I am aware.

We have other things in common too.

:021:
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
Quote from: Rupert on February 06, 2015, 03:28:37 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 02:40:10 PM
Also were you aware that Rupert The Bear and Attila the Hun have the same middle name.

Yes I am aware.

We have other things in common too.

:021:


Like wearing the same coloured pyjamas.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Holders on February 06, 2015, 04:09:13 PM

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Boadicea was Queen of the Iceni Tribe in Eastern England
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She came from what is now East Anglia, named after the East Angles, who landed in the 5th century. When Boudicca was around, it was in Roman Britain and she was a Briton, i.e. a Celt. It wasn't England then.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
There is a reconstruction of a camp/fort in Suffolk/Norfolk of Lady Bods place. Plus a chariot reconstruction of hers that is based on bits dug up in the area. Many years ago I went there and if it still exists is well worth a visit.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
There is a reconstruction of a camp/fort in Suffolk/Norfolk of Lady Bods place. Plus a chariot reconstruction of hers that is based on bits dug up in the area. Many years ago I went there and if it still exists is well worth a visit.

Do you know if her Chariot had those blades sticking out from centre of it's  Wheels.

Don't think it did. I believe that was an invention later.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Mince n Tatties on February 06, 2015, 04:50:39 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
There is a reconstruction of a camp/fort in Suffolk/Norfolk of Lady Bods place. Plus a chariot reconstruction of hers that is based on bits dug up in the area. Many years ago I went there and if it still exists is well worth a visit.

Do you nean Stonea camp and hill fort at March in Cambs.
Ive been there not too far from me in Newmarket which was Iceni territory....
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Rupert on February 06, 2015, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
There is a reconstruction of a camp/fort in Suffolk/Norfolk of Lady Bods place. Plus a chariot reconstruction of hers that is based on bits dug up in the area. Many years ago I went there and if it still exists is well worth a visit.

Do you know if her Chariot had those blades sticking out from centre of it's  Wheels.

Don't think it did. I believe that was an invention later.

What my colleague is too modest to mention is that he went there many years ago in a previous life, when he was a Roman soldier sent to "escort" the great lady and her daughters out of their home, which the Romans were taking over, and the mistreatment of her and the girls that ensued led to the uprising and subsequent destruction of Colchester, St Albans and London.
A lot of our ideas about history, including spikes on chariot wheels, comes from the Victorians who were very enthusiastic, but not above making things up to spice them up a bit.

Going back to Guido, he did not have a flaming torch, else he would almost certainly have blown the place up and took his captors with him. He knew he was a dead man once they caught him. His fate was hanging by the neck until almost dead, then being slit open, his internal organs being taken out and burned in front of his eyes. Once he was almost dead he was decapitated, his body hacked into quarters and then his head set on a spike on London Bridge, with the rest of his body displayed on spikes at prominent cities around the kingdom, especially York, where he came from.

Say what you like about the Stuarts, they didn't muck about with law and order and they had very few repeat offenders.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 05:19:24 PM
My original lighthouse picture was lost when FOF changed supplier, The picture was kindly put up for me. Sadly since then I have had problems with my memory, So for the life of me I cannot remember for the time being which lighthouse it is. I shall try and find out. (Could be Lundy)

As per the camp/fort - I could well mean the Stonea camp and Hill fort. Again memory isn't what it was. I went there with my family and since none of them are still with us to ask, again I shall have to check.I remember a pretend head on a spear as decoration around the fort.

My learned friend Rupert is correct as per my previous job. Lady B (as I called her)  and her daughter were very nice to me and gave me cake. Most of what we know from history at school was an invention.

I am clearly amongst cleverererer people than what I is.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Holders on February 06, 2015, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 04:15:14 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 06, 2015, 04:09:13 PM


Boadicea was Queen of the Iceni Tribe in Eastern England

She came from what is now East Anglia, named after the East Angles, who landed in the 5th century. When Boudicca was around, it was in Roman Britain and she was a Briton, i.e. a Celt. It wasn't England then.
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I don't think they had Central Heating in those days either
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As a matter of fact, the Romans did.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Rupert on February 06, 2015, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
There is a reconstruction of a camp/fort in Suffolk/Norfolk of Lady Bods place. Plus a chariot reconstruction of hers that is based on bits dug up in the area. Many years ago I went there and if it still exists is well worth a visit.

Do you know if her Chariot had those blades sticking out from centre of it's  Wheels.

Don't think it did. I believe that was an invention later.

What my colleague is too modest to mention is that he went there many years ago in a previous life, when he was a Roman soldier sent to "escort" the great lady and her daughters out of their home, which the Romans were taking over, and the mistreatment of her and the girls that ensued led to the uprising and subsequent destruction of Colchester, St Albans and London.
A lot of our ideas about history, including spikes on chariot wheels, comes from the Victorians who were very enthusiastic, but not above making things up to spice them up a bit.

Going back to Guido, he did not have a flaming torch, else he would almost certainly have blown the place up and took his captors with him. He knew he was a dead man once they caught him. His fate was hanging by the neck until almost dead, then being slit open, his internal organs being taken out and burned in front of his eyes. Once he was almost dead he was decapitated, his body hacked into quarters and then his head set on a spike on London Bridge, with the rest of his body displayed on spikes at prominent cities around the kingdom, especially York, where he came from.

Say what you like about the Stuarts, they didn't muck about with law and order and they had very few repeat offenders.


Interesting information, they sound a charming bunch.  it's a pity they do not use those methods these days. It might cut down the shoplifting
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 05:43:13 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 06, 2015, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 04:15:14 PM
Quote from: Holders on February 06, 2015, 04:09:13 PM


Boadicea was Queen of the Iceni Tribe in Eastern England

She came from what is now East Anglia, named after the East Angles, who landed in the 5th century. When Boudicca was around, it was in Roman Britain and she was a Briton, i.e. a Celt. It wasn't England then.

I don't think they had Central Heating in those days either
[/quote]

As a matter of fact, the Romans did.
[/quote]


Those Romans were no mugs
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 05:19:24 PM
My original lighthouse picture was lost when FOF changed supplier, The picture was kindly put up for me. Sadly since then I have had problems with my memory, So for the life of me I cannot remember for the time being which lighthouse it is. I shall try and find out. (Could be Lundy)

As per the camp/fort - I could well mean the Stonea camp and Hill fort. Again memory isn't what it was. I went there with my family and since none of them are still with us to ask, again I shall have to check.I remember a pretend head on a spear as decoration around the fort.

My learned friend Rupert is correct as per my previous job. Lady B (as I called her)  and her daughter were very nice to me and gave me cake. Most of what we know from history at school was an invention.

I am clearly amongst cleverererer people than what I is.


Would that Lighthouse, Lighthouse, be near Mevagissey in Cornwall. ?
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 05:49:29 PM
Lighthouse. Did you say you have recently had trouble with your memory?  Because I hope you haven't forgotten about that 500 hundred quid I lent you. 
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 06:19:06 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 05:49:29 PM
Lighthouse. Did you say you have recently had trouble with your memory?  Because I hope you haven't forgotten about that 500 hundred quid I lent you. 

I had to be honest with you. Don't worry I have a cheque book and will write you a cheque. Now where did I put it? I put it down and.......sorry what was it you wanted?
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on February 07, 2015, 12:32:40 AM
Quote from: Rupert on February 06, 2015, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 06, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 06, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
There is a reconstruction of a camp/fort in Suffolk/Norfolk of Lady Bods place. Plus a chariot reconstruction of hers that is based on bits dug up in the area. Many years ago I went there and if it still exists is well worth a visit.

Do you know if her Chariot had those blades sticking out from centre of it's  Wheels.

Don't think it did. I believe that was an invention later.

What my colleague is too modest to mention is that he went there many years ago in a previous life, when he was a Roman soldier sent to "escort" the great lady and her daughters out of their home, which the Romans were taking over, and the mistreatment of her and the girls that ensued led to the uprising and subsequent destruction of Colchester, St Albans and London.
A lot of our ideas about history, including spikes on chariot wheels, comes from the Victorians who were very enthusiastic, but not above making things up to spice them up a bit.

Going back to Guido, he did not have a flaming torch, else he would almost certainly have blown the place up and took his captors with him. He knew he was a dead man once they caught him. His fate was hanging by the neck until almost dead, then being slit open, his internal organs being taken out and burned in front of his eyes. Once he was almost dead he was decapitated, his body hacked into quarters and then his head set on a spike on London Bridge, with the rest of his body displayed on spikes at prominent cities around the kingdom, especially York, where he came from.

Say what you like about the Stuarts, they didn't muck about with law and order and they had very few repeat offenders.

So there is no truth in the Rumour about that Guido Fawkes through himself off or attempted to throw himself off the scaffold to try and break his own neck, to avoid any further pain from his torturers.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: robert on February 07, 2015, 02:25:42 PM
Beating the Welsh on their turf at rugby(their national sport and religion)makes you pleased to be English!!!
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Twig on February 07, 2015, 05:26:15 PM
Going back to the original question, I was thinking how nice it would be to be French living in Annecy.  Beautiful place, wonderful lake swimming, good skiing and golf nearby, some great restaurants.  Fantastic quality of life.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: Big Martin Jol on February 07, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
To be born English is to claim second prize in the lottery of life.

First is Italian, obviously.
Title: Re: NFR.If I were not an Englishman....
Post by: King_Crud on February 08, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Twig on February 07, 2015, 05:26:15 PM
Going back to the original question, I was thinking how nice it would be to be French living in Annecy.  Beautiful place, wonderful lake swimming, good skiing and golf nearby, some great restaurants.  Fantastic quality of life.

my ex is French and her family live in a lovely village in the foothills of the Jura Mountains, near the Swiss border. I used to think it would be great to be from there, such a lovely spot and great lifestyle