http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fulham-offer-steve-bruce-huge-5124657 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fulham-offer-steve-bruce-huge-5124657)
Steve Bruce will be offered a £15million summer deal to take Fulham back to the big time, reports Steve Bates in Sunday People Sport.
The Cottagers' Pakistani-American billionaire owner Shahid Khan plans to tempt Bruce away from struggling Hull with a lucrative contract to guide Fulham into the Premier League.
Khan, owner of American NFL side Jacksonville Jaguars, is one of the world's wealthiest businessmen with a net worth of $4.6 billion.
He is desperate to re-energise Fulham and plans to tempt Bruce with a £3m-a-year deal, topped up with a £2m promotion bonus.
After that Bruce would earn £4m-a-year plus a further £1m-a-year bonus for keeping Fulham up.
It's big money but the Fulham owner believes Bruce has all the credentials to turn the Cottagers into promotion candidates after leading Hull and Birmingham into the Premier League with successful Championship campaigns.
After the disaster of Felix Magath's appointment last season, Kit Symons has now steadied the ship.
Fulham are way off the promotion pace in mid-table - and Khan wants them challenging at the top end of the Championship next season.
Bruce, on a rolling one-year contract at the KC Stadium, is enduring a nightmare season at Hull after spending big last summer.
Owner Assem Allam has so far stuck with Bruce despite seeing the side slide into the bottom three but it's been a rocky road.
It's thought Bruce would favour a move to London if it end in tears at Hull - but Khan could turn to West Ham boss Sam Allardyce.
The Hammers boss isn't due to discuss a new contract at Upton Park until near the end of the season but is said to be relaxed about his future at West Ham.
Allardyce and his family love London life and he'd be happy to stay in the capital with Fulham if he can't reach an agreement over a new deal with the Hammers.
Can't see it actually happening, but Hull could well get relegated so Bruce could be sacked/leave at the end of the season. Would be the experienced manager some of us are looking for.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fulham-offer-steve-bruce-huge-5124657 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fulham-offer-steve-bruce-huge-5124657)
Make of it as you will
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Personally hope this is nonsense. I would hate to have Big Sam here for many reasons. As for paying huge money to a manager. There is no point unless we spend on bringing in a few players and not blowing the budget on just one.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 07, 2015, 11:27:11 PM
Personally hope this is nonsense. I would hate to have Big Sam here for many reasons. As for paying huge money to a manager. There is no point unless we spend on bringing in a few players and not blowing the budget on just one.
That would show great ambition by Khan if it were to happen IMO
Please no. The last thing we need is another managerial change. The lack of consistency and constant changing of the guard is largely to blame for us being in the position we are. Just as we look to build for the future this rumour pops up.... PLEASE JUST NO.
I'd love it if Steve Bruce came to Fulham. Always liked him and rated him as a manager. Would be perfect for us for a promotion push in the coming seasons. Won't happen though. By the way, you are thinking of Sam Allerdyce of West Ham. Please don't call him "Big Sam". I hate that nickname. This post is about the manager of Hull Steve Bruce.
Hmmmmmmm...
Read this and you would never want him http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked why I would never want him
Quote from: J.Perkins on February 07, 2015, 11:21:58 PM
34 seconds between us both posting about this
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Quote from: Blanco on February 07, 2015, 11:36:46 PM
I'd love it if Steve Bruce came to Fulham. Always liked him and rated him as a manager. Would be perfect for us for a promotion push in the coming seasons. Won't happen though. By the way, you are thinking of Sam Allerdyce of West Ham. Please don't call him "Big Sam". I hate that nickname. This post is about the manager of Hull Steve Bruce.
His nickname IS Big Sam and he is mentioned in the paper that is quoted in the post. As for Steve Bruce. He could do no better than our present manager with the players we have. So unless we are actually going to bring in players I really don't the point of yet another managerial change.
Hope not........
Quite frankly, I'd rather have Sparky back instead of Bruce......if the money and reasons mentioned in the Bruce story are correct....
.....but even more I'd like to see some stability with Kit in charge for a reasonable amount of time.
....PS ... but someone please tell Kit to chase wins with fresh legs in the final quarter of games, and play wider instead of the short game through the middle of massed defences!
Quote from: Chutney on February 07, 2015, 11:33:16 PM
Please no. The last thing we need is another managerial change. The lack of consistency and constant changing of the guard is largely to blame for us being in the position we are. Just as we look to build for the future this rumour pops up.... PLEASE JUST NO.
Symons doesn't have the ability IMO to take us up. He was brought in to bring stability to the club, which he has. We don't need stability now, we need progress. We aren't progressing under Symons, and we need a big promotion push next season.
Why would West Ham let Allardyce go. They're having a great season and he is getting the best out of his team. It would seem crazy for them to let him go, or for him to walk so he could come to us...
Screwing Kit for Bruce would be a horrible idea. Big names and big money don't necessarily mean anything. Look at the guy in charge of Brentford. He had even less 'experience' than Kit and is killing it.
Quote from: Mokes on February 07, 2015, 11:47:25 PM
Why would West Ham let Allardyce go. They're having a great season and he is getting the best out of his team. It would seem crazy for them to let him go, or for him to walk so he could come to us...
Screwing Kit for Bruce would be a horrible idea. Big names and big money don't necessarily mean anything. Look at the guy in charge of Brentford. He had even less 'experience' than Kit and is killing it.
Brentford have come on leaps and bounds under Warburton. We haven't under Symons. Bruce has done it twice before remember.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 07, 2015, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: Blanco on February 07, 2015, 11:36:46 PM
I'd love it if Steve Bruce came to Fulham. Always liked him and rated him as a manager. Would be perfect for us for a promotion push in the coming seasons. Won't happen though. By the way, you are thinking of Sam Allerdyce of West Ham. Please don't call him "Big Sam". I hate that nickname. This post is about the manager of Hull Steve Bruce.
His nickname IS Big Sam and he is mentioned in the paper that is quoted in the post. As for Steve Bruce. He could do no better than our present manager with the players we have. So unless we are actually going to bring in players I really don't the point of yet another managerial change.
I agree. Another managerial change isn't what we need. That said, has Kit really got what it takes to take this club forward? I don't think any of us think so.
Sounds fair. Exactly how far away does he have to stay for that money?
Steve Bruce. Bluff, genial, grizzled, English, highly decorated ex-pro, one of the 'good ole boys' of the managerial merry-go-round. His managerial reputation exceeds his actual achievements by a massive margin.
Quote from: Blanco on February 07, 2015, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 07, 2015, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: Blanco on February 07, 2015, 11:36:46 PM
I'd love it if Steve Bruce came to Fulham. Always liked him and rated him as a manager. Would be perfect for us for a promotion push in the coming seasons. Won't happen though. By the way, you are thinking of Sam Allerdyce of West Ham. Please don't call him "Big Sam". I hate that nickname. This post is about the manager of Hull Steve Bruce.
His nickname IS Big Sam and he is mentioned in the paper that is quoted in the post. As for Steve Bruce. He could do no better than our present manager with the players we have. So unless we are actually going to bring in players I really don't the point of yet another managerial change.
I agree. Another managerial change isn't what we need. That said, has Kit really got what it takes to take this club forward? I don't think any of us think so.
That's the point. Symons was brought in to stabilise the club, with a potential of taking us forward. He has done part A, but as usual Symons, not plan B. Need to be looking for a big promotion push next season, don't think Kit is up to it.
Quote from: J.Perkins on February 07, 2015, 11:46:36 PM
Quote from: Chutney on February 07, 2015, 11:33:16 PM
Please no. The last thing we need is another managerial change. The lack of consistency and constant changing of the guard is largely to blame for us being in the position we are. Just as we look to build for the future this rumour pops up.... PLEASE JUST NO.
Symons doesn't have the ability IMO to take us up. He was brought in to bring stability to the club, which he has. We don't need stability now, we need progress. We aren't progressing under Symons, and we need a big promotion push next season.
Well we are progressing without any new players from the ones the German had. Bar a few loan signings. As for a promotion push. Would we need a few players of quality coming in? Why would Bruce be any better than Symons is? Symons has had to play a certain way because he doesn't think we have good enough players to play any other way. Why would Bruce be able to be any different? We seem to always believe that somehow players not playing or managers not at the club would somehow make things better. When what we need is better players coming into the club.
I think something maybe in the wind regarding managers, no smoke without fire. Not sure Steve Bruce is the answer though. Also why would Sam Alledyce come to Fulham, West Ham are doing well
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 07, 2015, 11:56:38 PM
Quote from: J.Perkins on February 07, 2015, 11:46:36 PM
Quote from: Chutney on February 07, 2015, 11:33:16 PM
Please no. The last thing we need is another managerial change. The lack of consistency and constant changing of the guard is largely to blame for us being in the position we are. Just as we look to build for the future this rumour pops up.... PLEASE JUST NO.
Symons doesn't have the ability IMO to take us up. He was brought in to bring stability to the club, which he has. We don't need stability now, we need progress. We aren't progressing under Symons, and we need a big promotion push next season.
Well we are progressing without any new players from the ones the German had. Bar a few loan signings. As for a promotion push. Would we need a few players of quality coming in? Why would Bruce be any better than Symons is? Symons has had to play a certain way because he doesn't think we have good enough players to play any other way. Why would Bruce be able to be any different? We seem to always believe that somehow players not playing or managers not at the club would somehow make things better. When what we need is better players coming into the club.
:plus one: LH, you've been talking far too much sense recently. Are you ill?
Quote from: Berserker on February 07, 2015, 11:58:50 PM
I think something maybe in the wind regarding managers, no smoke without fire. Not sure Steve Bruce is the answer though. Also why would Sam Alledyce come to Fulham, West Ham are doing well
Prefer to have Hoddle if there's to be a change, he has more tactical nounce than Kit & Bruce in his little finger.
Quote from: Scrumpy on February 07, 2015, 11:59:53 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 07, 2015, 11:56:38 PM
Quote from: J.Perkins on February 07, 2015, 11:46:36 PM
Quote from: Chutney on February 07, 2015, 11:33:16 PM
Please no. The last thing we need is another managerial change. The lack of consistency and constant changing of the guard is largely to blame for us being in the position we are. Just as we look to build for the future this rumour pops up.... PLEASE JUST NO.
Symons doesn't have the ability IMO to take us up. He was brought in to bring stability to the club, which he has. We don't need stability now, we need progress. We aren't progressing under Symons, and we need a big promotion push next season.
Well we are progressing without any new players from the ones the German had. Bar a few loan signings. As for a promotion push. Would we need a few players of quality coming in? Why would Bruce be any better than Symons is? Symons has had to play a certain way because he doesn't think we have good enough players to play any other way. Why would Bruce be able to be any different? We seem to always believe that somehow players not playing or managers not at the club would somehow make things better. When what we need is better players coming into the club.
:plus one: LH, you've been talking far too much sense recently. Are you ill?
So unfair. Mind you I could have caught a cold of too much positivity. Need to lie down.
Quote from: J.Perkins on February 07, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Quote from: Mokes on February 07, 2015, 11:47:25 PM
Why would West Ham let Allardyce go. They're having a great season and he is getting the best out of his team. It would seem crazy for them to let him go, or for him to walk so he could come to us...
Screwing Kit for Bruce would be a horrible idea. Big names and big money don't necessarily mean anything. Look at the guy in charge of Brentford. He had even less 'experience' than Kit and is killing it.
Brentford have come on leaps and bounds under Warburton. We haven't under Symons. Bruce has done it twice before remember.
Kit's in his first year with a team of kids. Jim I think mentioned today that with the exception of Kaca and Rodders that everyone on the field was in their first playing season with club.
Just because Bruce has done it before does not mean that he has a magic wand that will guarantee our kids success. If getting clubs promoted in the past is all that is required we might as well appoint Neil Warnock.. He has like 6 promotions under his belt but I don't see too many crying out for him.
Bruce would just be another desperation signing. He is hardly setting the world alight with his team that he has had 3 years to mould..
What in the world was the point in hiring a first time manager if you're not going to give him any time to give it a proper crack.
Thanks Kit, you given you're heart and soul to the club for a long time now, turned the season around, kept us in top 6 form since you have been here, but the experts on the internet don't like the formation you play so we're going to throw a fortune at some guy who has been given chances by other clubs before you, who never achieved anything at his first 4 clubs and has a worse career win rate than any other Fulham manager since Lawrie Sanchez... You can stay on in the roll we offered Rene when we shafted him for the all conquering Felix if you like..
Screw that. Kit in.
Whichever we do, our next manager appoitment will be the biggest decision in recent
history, it's make our break
Quote from: Blanco on February 07, 2015, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 07, 2015, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: Blanco on February 07, 2015, 11:36:46 PM
I'd love it if Steve Bruce came to Fulham. Always liked him and rated him as a manager. Would be perfect for us for a promotion push in the coming seasons. Won't happen though. By the way, you are thinking of Sam Allerdyce of West Ham. Please don't call him "Big Sam". I hate that nickname. This post is about the manager of Hull Steve Bruce.
His nickname IS Big Sam and he is mentioned in the paper that is quoted in the post. As for Steve Bruce. He could do no better than our present manager with the players we have. So unless we are actually going to bring in players I really don't the point of yet another managerial change.
I agree. Another managerial change isn't what we need. That said, has Kit really got what it takes to take this club forward? I don't think any of us think so.
Speak for yourself. I am 100% Behind Kit until he either leaves voluntarily or is told that another manager is coming in to replace him. We have to give him more than 3/4 of a season with what he has had to deal with and how far we've come.
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Quote from: Mokes on February 08, 2015, 12:52:16 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on February 07, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Quote from: Mokes on February 07, 2015, 11:47:25 PM
Why would West Ham let Allardyce go. They're having a great season and he is getting the best out of his team. It would seem crazy for them to let him go, or for him to walk so he could come to us...
Screwing Kit for Bruce would be a horrible idea. Big names and big money don't necessarily mean anything. Look at the guy in charge of Brentford. He had even less 'experience' than Kit and is killing it.
Brentford have come on leaps and bounds under Warburton. We haven't under Symons. Bruce has done it twice before remember.
Kit's in his first year with a team of kids. Jim I think mentioned today that with the exception of Kaca and Rodders that everyone on the field was in their first playing season with club.
Just because Bruce has done it before does not mean that he has a magic wand that will guarantee our kids success. If getting clubs promoted in the past is all that is required we might as well appoint Neil Warnock.. He has like 6 promotions under his belt but I don't see too many crying out for him.
Bruce would just be another desperation signing. He is hardly setting the world alight with his team that he has had 3 years to mould..
What in the world was the point in hiring a first time manager if you're not going to give him any time to give it a proper crack.
Thanks Kit, you given you're heart and soul to the club for a long time now, turned the season around, kept us in top 6 form since you have been here, but the experts on the internet don't like the formation you play so we're going to throw a fortune at some guy who has been given chances by other clubs before you, who never achieved anything at his first 4 clubs and has a worse career win rate than any other Fulham manager since Lawrie Sanchez... You can stay on in the roll we offered Rene when we shafted him for the all conquering Felix if you like..
Screw that. Kit in.
YES. Bloody Hell yes. Thanks for writing this.
I have no problem with Steve Bruce, but he's not coming to Fulham -- at least if the trashy Mirror and the trashier People are reporting it as news. I can see their thinking, though. Bruce has a good track record getting teams promoted to the Prem, and we haven't fired a manager in weeks.
so was this thread first or was the other identical one first?
Quote from: Mokes on February 08, 2015, 12:52:16 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on February 07, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Quote from: Mokes on February 07, 2015, 11:47:25 PM
Why would West Ham let Allardyce go. They're having a great season and he is getting the best out of his team. It would seem crazy for them to let him go, or for him to walk so he could come to us...
Screwing Kit for Bruce would be a horrible idea. Big names and big money don't necessarily mean anything. Look at the guy in charge of Brentford. He had even less 'experience' than Kit and is killing it.
Brentford have come on leaps and bounds under Warburton. We haven't under Symons. Bruce has done it twice before remember.
Kit's in his first year with a team of kids. Jim I think mentioned today that with the exception of Kaca and Rodders that everyone on the field was in their first playing season with club.
Just because Bruce has done it before does not mean that he has a magic wand that will guarantee our kids success. If getting clubs promoted in the past is all that is required we might as well appoint Neil Warnock.. He has like 6 promotions under his belt but I don't see too many crying out for him.
Bruce would just be another desperation signing. He is hardly setting the world alight with his team that he has had 3 years to mould..
What in the world was the point in hiring a first time manager if you're not going to give him any time to give it a proper crack.
Thanks Kit, you given you're heart and soul to the club for a long time now, turned the season around, kept us in top 6 form since you have been here, but the experts on the internet don't like the formation you play so we're going to throw a fortune at some guy who has been given chances by other clubs before you, who never achieved anything at his first 4 clubs and has a worse career win rate than any other Fulham manager since Lawrie Sanchez... You can stay on in the roll we offered Rene when we shafted him for the all conquering Felix if you like..
Screw that. Kit in.
Blimey Mokes, pour yourself a large G&T! Absolutely spot on. Let's judge Kit in Nov/Dec 2015 and see where we are at that point. I have no idea if he is the Messiah or not, but you can't judge a Manager after 4 months! Also, I remember Steve Bruce playing for Gillingham (yes, I'm that old) and have never forgiven him.
I'm sorry but Kit has had quite a bit of time managing the team now and while it started off nicely his lack of knowledge and experience is really beginning to show. People on here are shouting from the high heavens for a formation change as well as being proactive instead of reactive. He's doing the very same things with the team since he took over. Is he not able to learn on the job? The Fofana loan signing has been terrible and I didn't agree with the decision to leave Chris David out of the starting eighteen either. If I don't start seeing some improvement towards the close of the season then I'm going to want someone else in. I want stability but I want to see progression as well.
Quote from: Berserker on February 07, 2015, 11:58:50 PM
I think something maybe in the wind regarding managers, no smoke without fire. Not sure Steve Bruce is the answer though. Also why would Sam Alledyce come to Fulham, West Ham are doing well
I think you might be right - but I don't see how Bruce is an advancement on Kit, except he is very experienced and has a track record of getting teams promoted.
Big Sam seemed about to get the sack at WH only months ago - now he is more popular with fans due to playing 'better' football, and good results - because he has had the money to get better players in, but a few bad results and they will all be calling for his head again.
I think he might be tempted to come to Fulham, and no one can doubt his success with smaller clubs - but would fans here want him and his style of play?
Depends on how much you think that results matter above anything else - and I think our owner may be of that opinion himself.
Mind you the rumours say in the summer not now.
I was saying to somebody the other day, sometimes owners don't give managers much money to spend in a tranfer window as they don't trust them to spend it well, eg Kit.
I don't want Kit to go this season but I can see Khan making a change in the summer if Kit doesn't start winning consistently for the rest of the season.
Never mind Bruce or Allardyce. We should sack Kit and get a few of the 'experts' on here to manage the team.
It's clear that they know more about: tactics, what's happening on the training pitch, the player's mentalities, how and why attempted transfers haven't happened and what the Chairman is communicating to Management than Kit does.
What rubbish - and how would a £15m pa salary fit in with FPP ?? Or would Bruce turn it around with the existing players ??
Laughable nonsense
I heard were getting in Mourinho, Guardiola on defence and Alf Ramsay as coach - that should please all moaners on here for about three weeks until we fail to win another match
Quote from: MJG on February 07, 2015, 11:39:29 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked why I would never want him
4 years ago, a little bit obsolete don't you agree
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Quote from: The Old Count on February 08, 2015, 08:41:15 AM
Never mind Bruce or Allardyce. We should sack Kit and get a few of the 'experts' on here to manage the team.
It's clear that they know more about: tactics, what's happening on the training pitch, the player's mentalities, how and why attempted transfers haven't happened and what the Chairman is communicating to Management than Kit does.
Now, now Old Count, we are not ready for Champions League quite yet!
Quote from: ollienixs on February 08, 2015, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: MJG on February 07, 2015, 11:39:29 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked why I would never want him
4 years ago, a little bit obsolete don't you agree
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Not really, he's now repeating at Hull what he did at Sunderland. Give the man money and actually change a team and it all goes wrong.
What happened to Khan's assertion that he would always appoint by committee? Why don't we stop wasting our money on managers and start wasting it on developing a team? My view is that we need an experienced CB, a new LB as Staf won't stay, a new CM, a new LW and possibly a new ST with even a chance of an experienced GK.
Kit does not have the players to play much else than the tight diamond formation that he is using as we have no real speedy wingers apart from those who have barely left school.
The fact that we are almost a mid table club now should be regarded as an achievement considering the disaster that was Magath. So I say support Kit and just write off this season.
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Quote from: ollienixs on February 08, 2015, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: MJG on February 07, 2015, 11:39:29 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked) why I would never want him
4 years ago, a little bit obsolete don't you agree
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Not really, he's now repeating at Hull what he did at Sunderland. Give the man money and actually change a team and it all goes wrong.
im with mjg, this would be a terrible appointment if the figures are accurate. there must be better and cheaper at their.
Quote from: F(f)CUK on February 08, 2015, 09:40:42 AM
What happened to Khan's assertion that he would always appoint by committee? Why don't we stop wasting our money on managers and start wasting it on developing a team? My view is that we need an experienced CB, a new LB as Staf won't stay, a new CM, a new LW and possibly a new ST with even a chance of an experienced GK.
Kit does not have the players to play much else than the tight diamond formation that he is using as we have no real speedy wingers apart from those who have barely left school.
The fact that we are almost a mid table club now should be regarded as an achievement considering the disaster that was Magath. So I say support Kit and just write off this season.
Nothing has changed because this has not happened, it's just press
I've not been won over by Kit.
However...
1) We've had too many managers in recent years, we need a period of stability. When there's no real chance of promotion or relegation, there'd be little benefit in abandoning Kit at this stage - it'd just destabilise us once again.
2) Whilst I haven't been convinced by performances, considering where we were when he took over, Kit has achieved great results with the same team that was floundering in the relegation zone earlier this season. As many had said, based on Kit's PPG, we'd be 7th in the table had it not been for Magath.
3) Kit adopted a squad that wasn't used to winning. That mentality can be hard to change but - to some extent - he has got the team in a more winning mindset. Hopefully that process will continue.
4) If - as seems to be the common consensus here - we want the squad to be populated predominantly by youngsters, Kit has worked successfully with our U21s before, so it's sensible for him to continue building those bonds. As an aside, I wouldn't be surprised if the recent spate of younger players signing longterm deals was largely influenced by Kit's assurances and presence at the club.
5) Kit KNOWS the club, he's one of us. He might not be the finished article but, like any of us would, I'm sure he'll be focussed on improving himself, to improve our club's results.
For me, I'll be patient until around Christmas; he's done more than enough to earn that.
Let's get real. This article about Bruce and Allardyce was in the Sunday Mirror. That's sufficent for me to totally disbelieve it!
Kit needs to be given a fair crack of the whip, but im afraid this is a ruthless
business now so called Football.
We have 3 tough games coming up, if we lost them Im afraid paper talk or not
the change might come before next summer..
Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: ollienixs on February 08, 2015, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: MJG on February 07, 2015, 11:39:29 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked) why I would never want him
4 years ago, a little bit obsolete don't you agree
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Not really, he's now repeating at Hull what he did at Sunderland. Give the man money and actually change a team and it all goes wrong.
Thats all to do with the premier.
The actual story is about him being someone who gets teams out of the
Championship..And like him or not (not a lover mtself)
he can do it and has done more than once..
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 08, 2015, 10:00:31 AM
Kit needs to be given a fair crack of the whip, but im afraid this is a ruthless
business now so called Football.
We have 3 tough games coming up, if we lost them Im afraid paper talk or not
the change might come before next summer..
whats a fair crack of the whip though. we gave felix a massive 7 games, was that fair? what id love to know, is why kit has changed tactics from the ones that got him the job in the first place. and why wont he try anything else other than his dodgy diamond
The more I see of these established Premier League managers, the more I think of them as men who are hired to provide excuses when the "vast amounts of money" method of success stalls. And when failure continues, off they go with the P45 to be employed as an apologist somewhere else.
The likes of Norwich do their homework and bring in a decent guy while khan, as usual, stumbles around in the dark looking for the light switch. Pathetic if true.
Quote from: fulhamben on February 08, 2015, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 08, 2015, 10:00:31 AM
Kit needs to be given a fair crack of the whip, but im afraid this is a ruthless
business now so called Football.
We have 3 tough games coming up, if we lost them Im afraid paper talk or not
the change might come before next summer..
whats a fair crack of the whip though. we gave felix a massive 7 games, was that fair? what id love to know, is why kit has changed tactics from the ones that got him the job in the first place. and why wont he try anything else other than his dodgy diamond
1 point from 24.. yea I'd say it was fair
Nonsense rumours, It'll never happen
Bruce is crap. This said it all three years ago and I don't see anything has changed.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked)
Makes me wonder if the committee took Kit on as the best man for the job or the cheapest option until their favoured man became available !?!?!
Hope all this is a nonsense as Kit has been a great servant to the club over the years and has deserved his chance.
Quote from: Reznor on February 08, 2015, 10:11:08 AM
The likes of Norwich do their homework and bring in a decent guy while khan, as usual, stumbles around in the dark looking for the light switch. Pathetic if true.
if doing your homework means getting a guy who has only ever managed hamilton for a season and a half, then all i can say is... we dont need no education. lets see what happens when he starts to mould his own squad
Quote from: fulhamben on February 08, 2015, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: Reznor on February 08, 2015, 10:11:08 AM
The likes of Norwich do their homework and bring in a decent guy while khan, as usual, stumbles around in the dark looking for the light switch. Pathetic if true.
if doing your homework means getting a guy who has only ever managed hamilton for a season and a half, then all i can say is... we dont need no education. lets see what happens when he starts to mould his own squad
Yes but he took a tiny club like Hamilton up to the premier, sitting on top for
a while as well, a club with gates of 3,000, they had no right to be there, and him
only 33...Dont think they won since he left, maybe Norwich could see
he might be the next Fergie..
The People and The Sun journalists who have written the story are both Manchester based so this is coming from outside sources and not our club. Also, Sunday papers have to sit on scraps for the whole week so they're easy to question.
Surely paying a manager that much cash as well would seriously impact on our FFP?
If there's a whiff of truth about it, I'd be seriously disappointed.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 08, 2015, 10:45:35 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 08, 2015, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: Reznor on February 08, 2015, 10:11:08 AM
The likes of Norwich do their homework and bring in a decent guy while khan, as usual, stumbles around in the dark looking for the light switch. Pathetic if true.
if doing your homework means getting a guy who has only ever managed hamilton for a season and a half, then all i can say is... we dont need no education. lets see what happens when he starts to mould his own squad
Yes but he took a tiny club like Hamilton up to the premier, sitting on top for
a while as well, a club with gates of 3,000, they had no right to be there, and him
only 33...Dont think they won since he left, maybe Norwich could see
he might be the next Fergie..
maybe, but its just as big as a gamble as kit is. there is no guarantee that it will work out for him. there is certainly no basis to slate khan over it and claim norwich know what they are doing
Of course it might not work out for them, but fair play to them for appointing
a manager nobody had heard of...I should think he must have been highly recommended
by someone in thd game..David Moyes was the rumour I believe.
Kit has done a great job for us over a short period, it is wrong for us to have expected more from him considering the resources he has had , the state of the team he inherited and the money he has avoided spending in the transfer market.
We need a period of managerial stability and Kit is looking like the best man we have had since Roy. Talk of a change of manager now can only undermine the confidence of the team so lets here none of it.
We need to support Kit and the team for the remaining matches to ensure we do not slip back into the relegation zone, we have a tough programmme ahead and Kit is clearly the best man to see us through.
Quote from: filham on February 08, 2015, 11:08:14 AM
Kit has done a great job for us over a short period, it is wrong for us to have expected more from him considering the resources he has had , the state of the team he inherited and the money he has avoided spending in the transfer market.
We need a period of managerial stability and Kit is looking like the best man we have had since Roy. Talk of a change of manager now can only undermine the confidence of the team so lets here none of it.
We need to support Kit and the team for the remaining matches to ensure we do not slip back into the relegation zone, we have a tough programmme ahead and Kit is clearly the best man to see us through.
steady on old bean, best man since roy? we played some fantastic stuff under jol till mo sold the family jewels. and we was pretty decent under hughes too. if i were to liken kit to a former manager, it would be bracewell. decent enough job, but not exceptional
From the BBC website
yes yes yes we have 2 threads about this already
cant believe theres any fact to this story,if its the case we have a chairman with a twitchy finger a wad of cash and is looking to spend money on managers where as he should be investing more in the team.
We do need experience in the dugout though, whether its with Kit or replacing him. To help him with things like substitutions or changing tactics as the match goes on. It's clear to see Kit's not used to it or maybe even brave enough to do it
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 08, 2015, 10:00:31 AM
Kit needs to be given a fair crack of the whip, but im afraid this is a ruthless
business now so called Football.
We have 3 tough games coming up, if we lost them Im afraid paper talk or not
the change might come before next summer..
whats a fair crack of the whip though. we gave felix a massive 7 games, was that fair? what id love to know, is why kit has changed tactics from the ones that got him the job in the first place. and why wont he try anything else other than his dodgy diamond
1 point from 24.. yea I'd say it was fair
kit hasnt won any of the last 4 so he is half way to getting sacked then
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 08, 2015, 10:00:31 AM
Kit needs to be given a fair crack of the whip, but im afraid this is a ruthless
business now so called Football.
We have 3 tough games coming up, if we lost them Im afraid paper talk or not
the change might come before next summer..
whats a fair crack of the whip though. we gave felix a massive 7 games, was that fair? what id love to know, is why kit has changed tactics from the ones that got him the job in the first place. and why wont he try anything else other than his dodgy diamond
1 point from 24.. yea I'd say it was fair
kit hasnt won any of the last 4 so he is half way to getting sacked then
Oh come on two of those in the cup against a PL side
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 08, 2015, 10:00:31 AM
Kit needs to be given a fair crack of the whip, but im afraid this is a ruthless
business now so called Football.
We have 3 tough games coming up, if we lost them Im afraid paper talk or not
the change might come before next summer..
whats a fair crack of the whip though. we gave felix a massive 7 games, was that fair? what id love to know, is why kit has changed tactics from the ones that got him the job in the first place. and why wont he try anything else other than his dodgy diamond
1 point from 24.. yea I'd say it was fair
kit hasnt won any of the last 4 so he is half way to getting sacked then
Oh come on two of those in the cup against a PL side
just trying to gauage as to whats deemed as a fair crack. and 8 games without a win seems to be the barometer going on felix. ok take away the 2 cup games, but we have some real tough fixtures coming up. if we dont win any of the next 6 would you say that was it then?
Quote from: Mokes on February 08, 2015, 12:52:16 AM
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Why would West Ham let Allardyce go. They're having a great season and he is getting the best out of his team. It would seem crazy for them to let him go, or for him to walk so he could come to us...
Screwing Kit for Bruce would be a horrible idea. Big names and big money don't necessarily mean anything. Look at the guy in charge of Brentford. He had even less 'experience' than Kit and is killing it.
Brentford have come on leaps and bounds under Warburton. We haven't under Symons. Bruce has done it twice before remember.
Kit's in his first year with a team of kids. Jim I think mentioned today that with the exception of Kaca and Rodders that everyone on the field was in their first playing season with club.
Just because Bruce has done it before does not mean that he has a magic wand that will guarantee our kids success. If getting clubs promoted in the past is all that is required we might as well appoint Neil Warnock.. He has like 6 promotions under his belt but I don't see too many crying out for him.
Bruce would just be another desperation signing. He is hardly setting the world alight with his team that he has had 3 years to mould..
What in the world was the point in hiring a first time manager if you're not going to give him any time to give it a proper crack.
Thanks Kit, you given you're heart and soul to the club for a long time now, turned the season around, kept us in top 6 form since you have been here, but the experts on the internet don't like the formation you play so we're going to throw a fortune at some guy who has been given chances by other clubs before you, who never achieved anything at his first 4 clubs and has a worse career win rate than any other Fulham manager since Lawrie Sanchez... You can stay on in the roll we offered Rene when we shafted him for the all conquering Felix if you like..
Screw that. Kit in.
Exactly my thoughts.
The only person in the Hull management team that we should consider for a role at Fulham is Mike Phelan.
Steve Bruce, 'Arry Redknap and Neil Warnock are all managers who have secured promotion to the Premiership. Personally I wouldn't want any one of them at Fulham. The game, as well as the role and expertise of managers and coaches, has moved on from where they stand.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
We do need experience in the dugout though, whether its with Kit or replacing him. To help him with things like substitutions or changing tactics as the match goes on. It's clear to see Kit's not used to it or maybe even brave enough to do it
Do you
really think he knows less about these sorts of things than anyone posting on this board ? Kit is at the coal face, not us. He knows the players, their capabilities, what they're like in training, etc., etc. Stop expecting miracles overnight.
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Quote from: fulhamben on February 08, 2015, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 08, 2015, 10:00:31 AM
Kit needs to be given a fair crack of the whip, but im afraid this is a ruthless
business now so called Football.
We have 3 tough games coming up, if we lost them Im afraid paper talk or not
the change might come before next summer..
whats a fair crack of the whip though. we gave felix a massive 7 games, was that fair? what id love to know, is why kit has changed tactics from the ones that got him the job in the first place. and why wont he try anything else other than his dodgy diamond
1 point from 24.. yea I'd say it was fair
kit hasnt won any of the last 4 so he is half way to getting sacked then
Oh come on two of those in the cup against a PL side
just trying to gauage as to whats deemed as a fair crack. and 8 games without a win seems to be the barometer going on felix. ok take away the 2 cup games, but we have some real tough fixtures coming up. if we dont win any of the next 6 would you say that was it then?
I think five league games lost in a row is a yardstick to possibly sack someone if I'm honest. You need to take into account the what was going on before those five and who you played, but once you reach five somethings possibly not right.
Likewise I think if a manager reaches a third season then it's safe to say that the team put out is his team. They have removed players, bought some I and contract run out.
So if Kit was manager at start of 2016-17 that's the time to safely say everyone in that squad is his.
The same was for Jol, he blew it in his third season.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
We do need experience in the dugout though, whether its with Kit or replacing him. To help him with things like substitutions or changing tactics as the match goes on. It's clear to see Kit's not used to it or maybe even brave enough to do it
I asked the question yesterday and did not get an answer, who would you have subbed after Roberts had came on?
Quote from: Willard on February 08, 2015, 12:42:55 PM
The only person in the Hull management team that we should consider for a role at Fulham is Mike Phelan.
Steve Bruce, 'Arry Redknap and Neil Warnock are all managers who have secured promotion to the Premiership. Personally I wouldn't want any one of them at Fulham. The game, as well as the role and expertise of managers and coaches, has moved on from where they stand.
Why? Has less managerial experience than Kit. Oh wait is it because he was at Utd?
Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
We do need experience in the dugout though, whether its with Kit or replacing him. To help him with things like substitutions or changing tactics as the match goes on. It's clear to see Kit's not used to it or maybe even brave enough to do it
I asked the question yesterday and did not get an answer, who would you have subbed after Roberts had came on?
I'm not saying just yesterday, but for example would've like to have seen Williams come on for Rodallega or Kacaniklic for the last 10 to get at the wings with some pace. The fact that it was 1-1 for basically 80 minutes and we made 1 substitution is crazy when we should be pushing to find a winner.
You can't say you're happy with Kit's substitutions for the season?
Does nobody read before he posts?
Don't take it to heart Cravenawin, some forget the world isn't as perfect as them.
You certainly aren't the first person to do it anyway. Threads get merged all the time
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
We do need experience in the dugout though, whether its with Kit or replacing him. To help him with things like substitutions or changing tactics as the match goes on. It's clear to see Kit's not used to it or maybe even brave enough to do it
I asked the question yesterday and did not get an answer, who would you have subbed after Roberts had came on?
I'm not saying just yesterday, but for example would've like to have seen Williams come on for Rodallega or Kacaniklic for the last 10 to get at the wings with some pace. The fact that it was 1-1 for basically 80 minutes and we made 1 substitution is crazy when we should be pushing to find a winner.
You can't say you're happy with Kit's substitutions for the season?
So you would have left one striker on the pitch by taking Hugo off, who was having a decent game, and playing what?
As for subs I did some data during the week that shows Symons has imprint when in use subs, and when he does make a change its usually with a positive effect.
I'm yet to read a transfer prediction about Fulham that the Mirror have called correctly. I don't see this move happening either.
How dare you make a mistake like that!
Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: Willard on February 08, 2015, 12:42:55 PM
The only person in the Hull management team that we should consider for a role at Fulham is Mike Phelan.
Steve Bruce, 'Arry Redknap and Neil Warnock are all managers who have secured promotion to the Premiership. Personally I wouldn't want any one of them at Fulham. The game, as well as the role and expertise of managers and coaches, has moved on from where they stand.
Why? Has less managerial experience than Kit. Oh wait is it because he was at Utd?
I said "a role" not "manager".
Phelan is an experienced coach from a very successful team. He's pragmatic and tactically aware. That's why he's at Hull as an assistant to Bruce.
With so many people on here saying that Kit is tactically naive and in need of experience and support Phelan would have been a good shout.
As you say, he was at United, now he's at Hull. Would he come down as far as Fulham? Who knows? Maybe we'll find out next season if they don't stay in the Premiership and he comes across with Steve "The Saviour" Bruce and his son.
Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
We do need experience in the dugout though, whether its with Kit or replacing him. To help him with things like substitutions or changing tactics as the match goes on. It's clear to see Kit's not used to it or maybe even brave enough to do it
I asked the question yesterday and did not get an answer, who would you have subbed after Roberts had came on?
I'm not saying just yesterday, but for example would've like to have seen Williams come on for Rodallega or Kacaniklic for the last 10 to get at the wings with some pace. The fact that it was 1-1 for basically 80 minutes and we made 1 substitution is crazy when we should be pushing to find a winner.
You can't say you're happy with Kit's substitutions for the season?
So you would have left one striker on the pitch by taking Hugo off, who was having a decent game, and playing what?
As for subs I did some data during the week that shows Symons has imprint when in use subs, and when he does make a change its usually with a positive effect.
Williams has played up front for his country, I just think fresh legs shouldve been introduced. And considering the fact we had Williams, Woodrow and Dembele on the bench and none came on when we had 2 spare subs to use is crazy when chasing 3 points.
I read your piece (a good read as well), and you'd think any success would give him more confidence to shake things up with 10/15mins to go in a game.
Quote from: RaySmith on February 08, 2015, 05:18:52 AM
I think you might be right - but I don't see how Bruce is an advancement on Kit, except he is very experienced and has a track record of getting teams promoted.
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Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
We do need experience in the dugout though, whether its with Kit or replacing him. To help him with things like substitutions or changing tactics as the match goes on. It's clear to see Kit's not used to it or maybe even brave enough to do it
I asked the question yesterday and did not get an answer, who would you have subbed after Roberts had came on?
I'm not saying just yesterday, but for example would've like to have seen Williams come on for Rodallega or Kacaniklic for the last 10 to get at the wings with some pace. The fact that it was 1-1 for basically 80 minutes and we made 1 substitution is crazy when we should be pushing to find a winner.
You can't say you're happy with Kit's substitutions for the season?
So you would have left one striker on the pitch by taking Hugo off, who was having a decent game, and playing what?
As for subs I did some data during the week that shows Symons has imprint when in use subs, and when he does make a change its usually with a positive effect.
What does that mean ?
Would love Bruce but hate Allardyce.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on February 08, 2015, 04:30:03 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
We do need experience in the dugout though, whether its with Kit or replacing him. To help him with things like substitutions or changing tactics as the match goes on. It's clear to see Kit's not used to it or maybe even brave enough to do it
I asked the question yesterday and did not get an answer, who would you have subbed after Roberts had came on?
I'm not saying just yesterday, but for example would've like to have seen Williams come on for Rodallega or Kacaniklic for the last 10 to get at the wings with some pace. The fact that it was 1-1 for basically 80 minutes and we made 1 substitution is crazy when we should be pushing to find a winner.
You can't say you're happy with Kit's substitutions for the season?
So you would have left one striker on the pitch by taking Hugo off, who was having a decent game, and playing what?
As for subs I did some data during the week that shows Symons has imprint when in use subs, and when he does make a change its usually with a positive effect.
What does that mean ?
it means sometimes after kit has finally made a sub, we occasionally get an equaliser or a consolation goal
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Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 08, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on February 08, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
We do need experience in the dugout though, whether its with Kit or replacing him. To help him with things like substitutions or changing tactics as the match goes on. It's clear to see Kit's not used to it or maybe even brave enough to do it
I asked the question yesterday and did not get an answer, who would you have subbed after Roberts had came on?
I'm not saying just yesterday, but for example would've like to have seen Williams come on for Rodallega or Kacaniklic for the last 10 to get at the wings with some pace. The fact that it was 1-1 for basically 80 minutes and we made 1 substitution is crazy when we should be pushing to find a winner.
You can't say you're happy with Kit's substitutions for the season?
So you would have left one striker on the pitch by taking Hugo off, who was having a decent game, and playing what?
As for subs I did some data during the week that shows Symons has imprint when in use subs, and when he does make a change its usually with a positive effect.
What does that mean ?
That's me not reading something my phone had decided to change.... Improved
We should have just gone for Pulis when we had the chance.
Quote from: J.Perkins on February 08, 2015, 05:00:55 PM
We should have just gone for Pulis when we had the chance.
Never
It really doesn't matter who manages our club, what we need is an improved squad of players!
I like Bruce. He'd be one of the names on my list to consider but only at the end of the season. Let's give Kit until then and see what he can do. So far im not won over but we'll see. If it continues to look like we're not going in the right direction then let's look at some more experienced candidates with the view to going back up.
If the Steve Bruce story is true (and it is "if"), it is an indictment of how poorly our club is being run. Irrespective of the respective merits of Symons, Bruce, Allardyce and any other manager (which can be discussed elsewhere, although I note Hull's current position in the top flight). the board spent a lot of time carefully considering its appointment of Kit Symons, and it should stick to its decisions – it was not a hasty judgement. To jettison Kit Symons in favour of Steve Bruce in the summer would show that the board is incapable of long term planning, or at least very bad at it. If Khan wants to splash some money, £15 million would be much more productively spent on players than a new manager.
Sarah Brookes, Director of Communications at Fulham Football Club has commented on the rumours surrounding a managerial switch for the recently stabilised Cottagers.
"I'm more than happy for you to say that the piece has no substance whatsoever. It isn't the first time that speculation regarding other managers have been made, and no doubt won't be the last but there is no truth to this piece at all."
Close thread :-)
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 08, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Sarah Brookes, Director of Communications at Fulham Football Club has commented on the rumours surrounding a managerial switch for the recently stabilised Cottagers.
"I'm more than happy for you to say that the piece has no substance whatsoever. It isn't the first time that speculation regarding other managers have been made, and no doubt won't be the last but there is no truth to this piece at all."
Where is this from? i wonder if she would like to comment on the Ruiz fiasco.
Quote from: f321ffc on February 08, 2015, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 08, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Sarah Brookes, Director of Communications at Fulham Football Club has commented on the rumours surrounding a managerial switch for the recently stabilised Cottagers.
"I'm more than happy for you to say that the piece has no substance whatsoever. It isn't the first time that speculation regarding other managers have been made, and no doubt won't be the last but there is no truth to this piece at all."
Where is this from? i wonder if she would like to comment on the Ruiz fiasco.
As we can now see Russ Goldman and Cottage Talk have the exclusive.
Quote from: J.Perkins on February 08, 2015, 05:00:55 PM
We should have just gone for Pulis when we had the chance.
Not too sure he would have agreed to come to the Cottage anyways - the squad was decimated, and even he isn't that much of a fool.
Quote from: f321ffc on February 08, 2015, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 08, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Sarah Brookes, Director of Communications at Fulham Football Club has commented on the rumours surrounding a managerial switch for the recently stabilised Cottagers.
"I'm more than happy for you to say that the piece has no substance whatsoever. It isn't the first time that speculation regarding other managers have been made, and no doubt won't be the last but there is no truth to this piece at all."
Where is this from? i wonder if she would like to comment on the Ruiz fiasco.
From all reports the ball is still with Fifa. Ruiz is stuck in limbo and can not play for either club until someone at corruption HQ bothers to open their emails.
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Quote from: f321ffc on February 08, 2015, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 08, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Sarah Brookes, Director of Communications at Fulham Football Club has commented on the rumours surrounding a managerial switch for the recently stabilised Cottagers.
"I'm more than happy for you to say that the piece has no substance whatsoever. It isn't the first time that speculation regarding other managers have been made, and no doubt won't be the last but there is no truth to this piece at all."
Where is this from? i wonder if she would like to comment on the Ruiz fiasco.
From all reports the ball is still with Fifa. Ruiz is stuck in limbo and can not play for either club until someone at corruption HQ bothers to open their emails.
So if this loan does not go through and he is available to play for us again we were denied using an (depending on what side of the fence you sit ) important player for the game yesterday , i wonder where the blame lies and if anybody will get their arse smacked i doubt we will ever know. 049:gif
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 07, 2015, 11:27:11 PM
Personally hope this is nonsense. I would hate to have Big Sam here for many reasons. As for paying huge money to a manager. There is no point unless we spend on bringing in a few players and not blowing the budget on just one.
Agreed - he will not come her to nurse along a bunch of kids - he seems to like buying in some high profile players.
I thought that Bruce was on the list of three when Kit was the one the committee picked.
Seven pages of barnyard ordure with nary a spark or two of intelligent life lying here and there in the muck. Ych y fi. But at least it's a mass debate of sorts.
Nogood "lies, misinformation and bog-like opinions, isit" Boyo
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on February 08, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
Seven pages of barnyard ordure with nary a spark or two of intelligent life lying here and there in the muck. Ych y fi. But at least it's a mass debate of sorts.
Nogood "lies, misinformation and bog-like opinions, isit" Boyo
Yeah plenty of mass debaters on here. fp.gif 049:gif
Quote from: f321ffc on February 08, 2015, 08:38:01 PM
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on February 08, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
Seven pages of barnyard ordure with nary a spark or two of intelligent life lying here and there in the muck. Ych y fi. But at least it's a mass debate of sorts.
Nogood "lies, misinformation and bog-like opinions, isit" Boyo
Yeah plenty of mass debaters on here. fp.gif 049:gif
You don't have to get personal and brings one's portly girth into the debate, sir :dead horse:
not sure why Steve Bruce would be successful with Fulham when he hasn't been with Hull. Like the guy though. As for Sam, my West Ham mate tells me that before this season he was considered a disaster there.
And what happened to the gang of five (or was it six?) who were convened to find a new manager when Felix was sacked?
Considering the situation that Hull City are in at the moment Steve Bruce may be required to get them promoted next season. We'll get promoted with Kit next year.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 08, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Sarah Brookes, Director of Communications at Fulham Football Club has commented on the rumours surrounding a managerial switch for the recently stabilised Cottagers.
"I'm more than happy for you to say that the piece has no substance whatsoever. It isn't the first time that speculation regarding other managers have been made, and no doubt won't be the last but there is no truth to this piece at all."
I don't believe the piece in the papers, but in all respect Sarah or the club could say nothing other than its rubbish. They are hardly likely to come out and say yes we are in talks with another manager to come in at the end of the season. Imagine the damage that would do if it were true.
No, No, No, No, No!!!!
Quote from: Plodder on February 08, 2015, 05:33:49 PM
If the Steve Bruce story is true (and it is "if"), it is an indictment of how poorly our club is being run. Irrespective of the respective merits of Symons, Bruce, Allardyce and any other manager (which can be discussed elsewhere, although I note Hull's current position in the top flight). the board spent a lot of time carefully considering its appointment of Kit Symons, and it should stick to its decisions – it was not a hasty judgement. To jettison Kit Symons in favour of Steve Bruce in the summer would show that the board is incapable of long term planning, or at least very bad at it. If Khan wants to splash some money, £15 million would be much more productively spent on players than a new manager.
:plus one: :plus one: :plus one:
The point surely is that for most of us Kit was the right choice last Autumn, and we were pleased he was given the opportunity. Come May, though, it is reasonable for the owner to consider how effectively Kit has taken that opportunity, ie is he convinced that the team has improved significantly, and does he see Kit as likely, with some Summer signings, to be able to lead the Club to mounting a serious challenge for promotion?
Supposing, as I do, that he remains for the rest of the season Kit is only half way through this season's tenure, so a bit early to make confident judgements. But after a decent start in picking up what seemed to be a shell-shocked rabble, I would have hoped to see better performances than several we've given over the last six weeks or so. And like others who have commented, I am concerned that Kit does not seem to be learning from experience.
He has another three months to impress, but if there are no clear signs of improvement then, with reluctance, I hope he is replaced.
When Symons took over we has 1 point and were 23rd with a divided dressing room.
We are now mid table, 8 points clear of the bottom 3 and this achieved with no new signings in his squad, other than some loanees,
If that's not a clear sign of improvement then I must be watching the wrong sport.
Quote from: Two Ton Ted on February 09, 2015, 02:49:58 PM
When Symons took over we has 1 point and were 23rd with a divided dressing room.
We are now mid table, 8 points clear of the bottom 3 and this achieved with no new signings in his squad, other than some loanees,
If that's not a clear sign of improvement then I must be watching the wrong sport.
It would have been more difficult to do worse than to improve. Kit was always going to improve results just because of a change in atmosphere within the club. Improvement would be showing growth over the course of Kit's tenure IMO. One, I believe, could argue that there has been some improvement but not enough to rule out the need to reconsider his position come the end of the season - if promotion truly is the goal next season. One could also argue that expecting him to do much more than he has with this roster without the benefit of strengthening in January is just plain silliness.
I don't happen to believe that Kit has done enough so far to eliminate the need to at least look at the management options available come the summer. Having said that, the club haven't put him in a very good position to do better than he has. All very much in limbo for me at the manager's position. One would have to think that the club would find a way to back a manager they truly believed in during his first transfer window. Loaning out three players, loaning in a Man City U21 and a benchwarming Swansea RB, and rescinding the loans of Tunnecliff and Kaka isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
Steve Bruce himself is denying the story now on the BBC website.
So that clears up the story once and for all.
He must be on his way. Clear that desk out in the spare office, and order a couple of tracksuits with SB on.
I really don't see the need for investment in the jan window it has to come in the summer, as for Bruce, the wrong man at the wrong time.
I'd rather see 'Arry and I don't want him at all.
Quote from: snarks on February 09, 2015, 07:35:11 PM
I really don't see the need for investment in the jan window it has to come in the summer, as for Bruce, the wrong man at the wrong time.
I'd rather see 'Arry and I don't want him at all.
I hope to God, no - In Kit we trust... I think...
