The Club is delighted to confirm the arrivals of Danny Guthrie and Richard Lee on loan from Reading and Brentford respectively until the end of the season.
Guthrie began his career at Liverpool and made a handful of appearances before joining Newcastle United, for whom he played 114 times and scored nine goals, one of which was a screamer at Craven Cottage in January 2012.
After four years on Tyneside, the central midfielder joined Reading and has since made 69 appearances for the Royals, prior to joining the Whites.
Goalkeeper Lee began his career at Watford, where he spent time under former Fulham player and coach Ray Lewington.
After eight years in and around the first team at Vicarage Road, he joined Brentford in the summer of 2010 and went on to be named Supporters' Player of the Year in his first season.
At least we have a real GK as No. 2 now. Guthrie may be useful as a sub.
Hmmmm decent back up. Would have preferred a quick winger, just proves we're gonna stick with this stupid formation
Great, we got another keeper. All fine and dandy but I still want Betts to be our number one.
Richard Lee is retiring at the end of the season as well
Whats the point of the goalie, unless Betts or Kiraly has picked up
an Injury..
Guthrie! Jesus wept.
In for Betts and Tunnicliffe?
Betts needs a break and after the initial disappointment will come back stronger.
Well, better investment to save us from relegation than a hobbling Greek person.
Prelude to our major summer signings... :005:
How many times has Danny Guthrie wound up Fulham fans over the years ? Horrible little **** , will support him in a Fulham shirt but not a player I would want to have with us next season , and who will be dropped from midfield to give him a game ?
They will be handy as bench warmers. We have no central midfielders and the Keeper is as good as Kiraly.
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http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/news/article/brentford-goalkeeper-richard-lee-to-retire-at-end-of-201415-season-2177099.aspx (http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/news/article/brentford-goalkeeper-richard-lee-to-retire-at-end-of-201415-season-2177099.aspx)
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Welcome Danny and Richard.
"I am retiring because I have peaked and don't have the confidence that I can now surpass that peak.
As a result, football to me now equates to frustration and often pain".
This is part of the blog Richard Lee used to announce his imminent retirement - are brentford taking the p*ss a week early?
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Quote from: Chesh on March 26, 2015, 06:13:05 PM
"I am retiring because I have peaked and don't have the confidence that I can now surpass that peak.
As a result, football to me now equates to frustration and often pain".
This is part of the blog Richard Lee used to announce his imminent retirement - are brentford taking the p*ss a week early?
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He sounds perfect. That's how most of our supporters feel!! :005:
Danny Guthrie, Jesus. A Billy Big Balls of a player who thought he was better than Reading, and actually refused to travel in his early days. Desperation at it's best here, and don't even get me started on Richard Lee, must be a wind-up leading up to next Fridays game. How I want this season to be over..
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Quote from: Chesh on March 26, 2015, 06:13:05 PM
"I am retiring because I have peaked and don't have the confidence that I can now surpass that peak.
As a result, football to me now equates to frustration and often pain".
This is part of the blog Richard Lee used to announce his imminent retirement - are brentford taking the p*ss a week early?
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He sounds perfect. That's how most of our supporters feel!! :005:
Its not Pantomime season yet is it?
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 26, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
Whats the point of the goalie, unless Betts or Kiraly has picked up
an Injury..
According to some "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the moment . . .".
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872)"
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 26, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
Whats the point of the goalie, unless Betts or Kiraly has picked up
an Injury..
According to some "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the moment . . .".
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872)"
Betts is, and will be a very good goalkeeper. However, like most of our youngsters, he was thrown in at the deep end, and has been played a little to much for my liking this season. Granted, more games can breed experience, but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus.
The quotes of "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the mo" isn't actually that far off, so I'm not quite sure why you're trying to mock other posters?
Guthrie a bit of a no risk option. Does well will be an asset and one maybe for next season. If not moves on
I will be gobsmacked if Betts is dropped. Hopefully the new keeper has come in to act as nothing more than cover.
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I will be gobsmacked if Betts is dropped. Hopefully the new keeper has come in to act as nothing more than cover.
He will act nothing more than cover. Betts has almost completed a full season now, so he won't be dropped, and will be that much stronger come the next. My argument, is that Betts should not have been made to carry the burden this season, not at his age anyway, and an experienced Keeper brought in. However, it's happened now, and what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, so..
Why have we got a keeper in loan at monaco - hope that's right - and then we loan one from elsewhere. Am I missing a point. I don't understand.
We have slipped to unbelievable levels, every week it's helping me make my mind up about getting a season ticket or not.
Quote from: bobbo on March 26, 2015, 07:11:33 PM
Why have we got a keeper in loan at monaco - hope that's right - and then we loan one from elsewhere. Am I missing a point. I don't understand.
We have slipped to unbelievable levels, every week it's helping me make my mind up about getting a season ticket or not.
I think you will find the salary of Steks is substantially higher than Lee
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Yep riverside I can accept that . We aren't exactly skint though.
No mention from anyone that we are now having to loan off Brentford? Just how far have we fallen?
I like Danny Guthrie - may not be the most Fulhamish footballer, but the fact is, he's good with the ball at his feet and he provides experience we only have in Parker in the middle. Lets not forget that Ryan Tunnicliffe is our second most experienced central midfielder, and he's pretty poor.
With Scotty Parker ageing, a player like Guthrie is ideal to maintain good guidance in the middle of the park. And as MJG says, it's risk free - if he does well for the final few games, he's there for a free transfer, if he doesn't then we can wave good bye and wish luck on future endeavours.
The Richard Lee loan is strange, I can only think that Gabor Kiraly has picked up a training ground injury?
I think that Lee is there to help Betts. He is probably looking for a goalkeeper coaching role later, he at least speaks English and will be more helpful to Betts than Kiraly could be. He is retiring because his shoulder is buggered, so am not expecting him to ever start a game.
Quote from: Chesh on March 26, 2015, 06:13:05 PM
"I am retiring because I have peaked and don't have the confidence that I can now surpass that peak.
As a result, football to me now equates to frustration and often pain".
This is part of the blog Richard Lee used to announce his imminent retirement - are brentford taking the p*ss a week early?
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Excellent. Just the kind of passion and drive we need in a relegation battle.
Quote from: YoungsBitter on March 26, 2015, 07:53:50 PM
I think that Lee is there to help Betts. He is probably looking for a goalkeeper coaching role later, he at least speaks English and will be more helpful to Betts than Kiraly could be. He is retiring because his shoulder is buggered, so am not expecting him to ever start a game.
This must surely be the case.
The poor bloke admits that his injuries have also led to loss of confidence.
Good luck to him. Hope he can be of benefit to our talented young keepers.
On which subject: Congratulations to Magnus Norman on a clean sheet on his debut for England u18 (beat Switzerland 1-0)
and also to Marek Rodak, in goal for Slovakia u19 in 1-1 draw with Germany
a friendly Reading fan here, as many of you know, but in this occasion I must sow seeds of doubt as to Guthrie. When he joined Reading it looked good; the player himself was talking of getting into the England squad. But it just hasn't happened - not only has his form gone down from Newcastle days, but dare I say there is arrogance well above his 'station'. If it works out for you I'd be delighted, and I don't deny that he has great talent at his very best, but I fear that the desire to show that might no longer be there ...
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 26, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
Whats the point of the goalie, unless Betts or Kiraly has picked up
an Injury..
According to some "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the moment . . .".
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872)"
Betts is, and will be a very good goalkeeper. However, like most of our youngsters, he was thrown in at the deep end, and has been played a little to much for my liking this season. Granted, more games can breed experience, but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus.
The quotes of "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the mo" isn't actually that far off, so I'm not quite sure why you're trying to mock other posters?
I am mocking the statement because it isn't true and the attempt to justify it failed with obvious inaccuracies.
Similarly, what evidence do you have to support the statement "but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus"? He seemed to be holding up against Huddersfield.
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Quote from: YoungsBitter on March 26, 2015, 07:53:50 PM
I think that Lee is there to help Betts. He is probably looking for a goalkeeper coaching role later, he at least speaks English and will be more helpful to Betts than Kiraly could be. He is retiring because his shoulder is buggered, so am not expecting him to ever start a game.
This must surely be the case.
The poor bloke admits that his injuries have also led to loss of confidence.
Good luck to him. Hope he can be of benefit to our talented young keepers.
shoulder buggered if he plays behind our back 4 he'll have a buggered back to go with it
This bloke Lee is an impressive character. He has a website on which he discusses various aspects of goalkeeping. He comes across as a thoughtful, intelligent and interesting personality. I don't know enough about goalkeeping to comment too deeply on his technical views, but it is unusual to find an active (just!) player with such well developed views and the facility to put them over.
He might well prove to b a very useful bloke to have around.
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 26, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
Whats the point of the goalie, unless Betts or Kiraly has picked up
an Injury..
According to some "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the moment . . .".
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872)"
Betts is, and will be a very good goalkeeper. However, like most of our youngsters, he was thrown in at the deep end, and has been played a little to much for my liking this season. Granted, more games can breed experience, but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus.
The quotes of "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the mo" isn't actually that far off, so I'm not quite sure why you're trying to mock other posters?
I am mocking the statement because it isn't true and the attempt to justify it failed with obvious inaccuracies.
Similarly, what evidence do you have to support the statement "but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus"? He seemed to be holding up against Huddersfield.
I thought the post held up well against Huddersfield, Marcus saved a comfortable penalty and a couple of tame shots, but thats about it, nothing to rave about really?
In other games, I've seen Marcus throw balls in the back of net, completely kick balls off the park, and look so nervous that he won't come out and claim balls in his 6 yard area to take pressure off his defense.
However you look at it, and however many fancy words you try to use, the boy was thrown in at the deep end, he wasn't really ready, and in some games this season, he has looked as if his confidence has been shot to pieces.
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Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on March 26, 2015, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 26, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
Whats the point of the goalie, unless Betts or Kiraly has picked up
an Injury..
According to some "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the moment . . .".
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872)"
Betts is, and will be a very good goalkeeper. However, like most of our youngsters, he was thrown in at the deep end, and has been played a little to much for my liking this season. Granted, more games can breed experience, but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus.
The quotes of "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the mo" isn't actually that far off, so I'm not quite sure why you're trying to mock other posters?
I am mocking the statement because it isn't true and the attempt to justify it failed with obvious inaccuracies.
Similarly, what evidence do you have to support the statement "but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus"? He seemed to be holding up against Huddersfield.
I thought the post held up well against Huddersfield, Marcus saved a comfortable penalty and a couple of tame shots, but thats about it, nothing to rave about really?
In other games, I've seen Marcus throw balls in the back of net, completely kick balls off the park, and look so nervous that he won't come out and claim balls in his 6 yard area to take pressure off his defense.
However you look at it, and however many fancy words you try to use, the boy was thrown in at the deep end, he wasn't really ready, and in some games this season, he has looked as if his confidence has been shot to pieces.
Which is why he has been picked for England !!
Just been talking to a Geordie mate who, when I told him about us getting Guthrie, said "Good luck with that then. He doesn't like training much and likes a drink and played more games for our reserve team than he ever did for the first team. Glad to see the back of him when he went"
Doesn't really sound too inspiring!
Look neither of these players will be with a club at the end of the season. One is retiring the other may be picked up by a lower league side. They are fillers and bench warmers and are not part of any great plan but to cover the players we have until the season ends.
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 26, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
Whats the point of the goalie, unless Betts or Kiraly has picked up
an Injury..
According to some "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the moment . . .".
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872)"
Betts is, and will be a very good goalkeeper. However, like most of our youngsters, he was thrown in at the deep end, and has been played a little to much for my liking this season. Granted, more games can breed experience, but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus.
The quotes of "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the mo" isn't actually that far off, so I'm not quite sure why you're trying to mock other posters?
I am mocking the statement because it isn't true and the attempt to justify it failed with obvious inaccuracies.
Similarly, what evidence do you have to support the statement "but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus"? He seemed to be holding up against Huddersfield.
I thought the post held up well against Huddersfield, Marcus saved a comfortable penalty and a couple of tame shots, but thats about it, nothing to rave about really?
In other games, I've seen Marcus throw balls in the back of net, completely kick balls off the park, and look so nervous that he won't come out and claim balls in his 6 yard area to take pressure off his defense.
However you look at it, and however many fancy words you try to use, the boy was thrown in at the deep end, he wasn't really ready, and in some games this season, he has looked as if his confidence has been shot to pieces.
Which is why he has been picked for England !!
Zat Knight was also picked for England.
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 26, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
Whats the point of the goalie, unless Betts or Kiraly has picked up
an Injury..
According to some "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the moment . . .".
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872)"
Betts is, and will be a very good goalkeeper. However, like most of our youngsters, he was thrown in at the deep end, and has been played a little to much for my liking this season. Granted, more games can breed experience, but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus.
The quotes of "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the mo" isn't actually that far off, so I'm not quite sure why you're trying to mock other posters?
I am mocking the statement because it isn't true and the attempt to justify it failed with obvious inaccuracies.
Similarly, what evidence do you have to support the statement "but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus"? He seemed to be holding up against Huddersfield.
I thought the post held up well against Huddersfield, Marcus saved a comfortable penalty and a couple of tame shots, but thats about it, nothing to rave about really?
In other games, I've seen Marcus throw balls in the back of net, completely kick balls off the park, and look so nervous that he won't come out and claim balls in his 6 yard area to take pressure off his defense.
However you look at it, and however many fancy words you try to use, the boy was thrown in at the deep end, he wasn't really ready, and in some games this season, he has looked as if his confidence has been shot to pieces.
He is young, playing for a club that has been relegated, in a squad that has lost all but about three experienced players and in a side that has lost confidence yet he is holding up well, will arguably be our player of the season and has been selected for the England u21s.
Are you deliberately trolling?
Quote from: Lighthouse on March 26, 2015, 11:16:14 PM
Look neither of these players will be with a club at the end of the season. One is retiring the other may be picked up by a lower league side. They are fillers and bench warmers and are not part of any great plan but to cover the players we have until the season ends.
I think Guthrie, assuming that he is fit, will go straight into the starting line up.. Lee on the bench at best..
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 26, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
Whats the point of the goalie, unless Betts or Kiraly has picked up
an Injury..
According to some "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the moment . . .".
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=46613.msg651872#msg651872)"
Betts is, and will be a very good goalkeeper. However, like most of our youngsters, he was thrown in at the deep end, and has been played a little to much for my liking this season. Granted, more games can breed experience, but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus.
The quotes of "Betts is nowhere near up to first team football at the mo" isn't actually that far off, so I'm not quite sure why you're trying to mock other posters?
I am mocking the statement because it isn't true and the attempt to justify it failed with obvious inaccuracies.
Similarly, what evidence do you have to support the statement "but it can also damage confidence, which has been the case with young Marcus"? He seemed to be holding up against Huddersfield.
I thought the post held up well against Huddersfield, Marcus saved a comfortable penalty and a couple of tame shots, but thats about it, nothing to rave about really?
In other games, I've seen Marcus throw balls in the back of net, completely kick balls off the park, and look so nervous that he won't come out and claim balls in his 6 yard area to take pressure off his defense.
However you look at it, and however many fancy words you try to use, the boy was thrown in at the deep end, he wasn't really ready, and in some games this season, he has looked as if his confidence has been shot to pieces.
If Marcus reads your post it's any wonder his confidence may be shot to piece, however, he has been chosen by England so he can't be doing as bad as you seem to think.
Guthrie has made 2 starts with Reading all season and been on the bench approx 6 times. Hardly a player to help us is he. I could understand it if Reading were miles ahead in the championship as it would seem he was a decent player, but my god, how low have we fallen
I don't understand this move at all. It looks like we are absolutely clueless. Oh how I wish this season was really over
Guthrie has clearly lost his way but he was very promising when he first came on the scene.
We have couple of months to look at him and make a decision then. We are missing players in that age range and he fits the bill of us picking up players who have lost their way somewhere else.
Well the player is here at Fulham now and i for one do not intend to slag off any player that has not yet put the kit on let alone kicked a ball for us.
Lets face it When Aaron Hughes joined us i remember Villa fans saying we wasted our money, and again a lot of our own fans put the signing down, the same with Murphy, so how did that turn out for us?
Quote from: MJG on March 27, 2015, 06:30:33 AM
Guthrie has clearly lost his way but he was very promising when he first came on the scene.
We have couple of months to look at him and make a decision then. We are missing players in that age range and he fits the bill of us picking up players who have lost their way somewhere else.
Exactly so, though the difference formerly was they had lost their way at a higher level. Below the prem you are forced to risk more iffy characters -- we had our share in the pre-Fayed era.
There was talk originally of Guthrie coming here from Newcastle. He doesn't lack talent. After seeing how he trains and behaves, they'll know better if he's worth the risk, as you say. As for Lee, he's plainly a coaching prospect with emergency third goalie potential. Both loans make sense.
Realism check boys and girls. Who exactly do some people expect to be keen to spend the rest of the season in a relegation battle, perhaps Barca would see if Messi fancies a change for a couple of months or maybe Bale will find spring too warm in Madrid. My point is that, for whatever reason, we have brought in a couple of experienced bodies in case they are needed in the run in. Whether they have long term potential is irrelevant at this stage of the season as the priority is survival in this division, pure and simple. Whatever you do now will be damned by some - nothing = clueless, loaning who's available = lack of ambition etc.
Can we just let the management get on with it for now as there is only one priority and worry about next year when we know where we will be playing our football and can make sensible plans accordingly.
