Good to get him off the wage bill. Now for Ruiz, Mirto and Lovebite
Quote from: intertoto2002fulham on June 22, 2015, 07:23:45 PM
Good to get him off the wage bill. Now for Ruiz, Mirto and Lovebite
are you shads accountant then? its only good to get players out of the door if you actually improve the squad. who cares what our wage bill is. if you want good players then you have high wages. if you want low wages then we might end up worse than we did last year
I don't remember him setting our world on fire and by the end of our relegation season he did not even make it onto the pitch.
Monaco didn't seem to want to play him either - so why do you think he was one of our "good" players ?
Maybe he was just one of our over-priced players?
How much for?
I actually think he is a really good keeper with fantastic technique. He had a bad injury with us and never really got going. I think he will do well for the Saints. Good luck to him.
Quote from: JDH101 on June 22, 2015, 07:34:44 PM
I actually think he is a really good keeper with fantastic technique. He had a bad injury with us and never really got going. I think he will do well for the Saints. Good luck to him.
this. he did look good when fit. its only at fulham, where you can find fans happy to get rid of hugo mitro dembele ruiz david roberts and stek. all of which will go onto better things. but hey ar least our wages will be low
You need to get real. You do not need over paid Prima donna's to get out of this league. Debt will get you out quicker than you think!
Do any of these players want to play in the Championship?
If they don't I can see Kit and Riggs logic that we're better off without them, clearing the wage bill to sign younger and hungrier championship players.
It's the Cairneys, Husbands and Dunks of this world as well as Pringle, Woodrow, McCormack, Bettinelli and Christensen which will be the good long term investments and help get us back to the Prem.
Ruiz has openly said he wants to leave. We can only assumer Mitro is the same. And Lovebite is a liability with his red cards.
He is off on loan at Saints for one year.
Will he actually get a game there?
Quote from: Swiss72 on June 22, 2015, 08:01:45 PM
He is off on loan at Saints for one year.
they have an injury problem and by next year they will have 3 fit keepers, it's obvious they will not want to buy him.....so this is a good option for Fulham not having to pay his wages....
Would have preferred a straight sale. As long as we got a fee of some sort and they cover all wages we can only hope he excels and they decided to sign him permanently next summer.
Quote from: intertoto2002fulham on June 22, 2015, 07:50:59 PM
Do any of these players want to play in the Championship?
If they don't I can see Kit and Riggs logic that we're better off without them, clearing the wage bill to sign younger and hungrier championship players.
It's the Cairneys, Husbands and Dunks of this world as well as Pringle, Woodrow, McCormack, Bettinelli and Christensen which will be the good long term investments and help get us back to the Prem.
Ruiz has openly said he wants to leave. We can only assumer Mitro is the same. And Lovebite is a liability with his red cards.
Quote from: Andy S on June 22, 2015, 07:45:50 PM
You need to get real. You do not need over paid Prima donna's to get out of this league. Debt will get you out quicker than you think!
no what you need is the best players in the league, with a good manager leading them. confident? i wouldnt sell one top player till there replacement has signed. now you could argue that we have done that with stek, but not with any of the others. and granted none have actually gone yet. i just dont get how some can be happy that good players are leaving, just because of a wage bill. and yet know one mentions parker, yet the majority recognise the importance of a good dm coming in. getting rid of him will improve us and save us the most on wages, why is he never mentioned in a cant wait to get rid of list?
Rubbish deal really. We get nothing for him, he won't play all season so his balue will be even lower next summer and we'll get nothing for him then either. Sigh
He has to play as he will be their only fit senior keeper until Fraser Forster recovers.
It's quite a gamble from them really given his record at Roma,us and Monaco
Only on loan, we just can't get rid of him
fulhamben - having a laugh are'nt you?
Ridiculous posts
A gamble for Southampton as Steks has barely played the last 2-3 years . If though he does play and looks good finally someone might buy him !
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This has annoyed me. Not him going, but the fact we seem incapable of getting any financial returns from any players we're trying to get rid of. Its quite obvious that he's not going to play for us again so just sell him. I do not believe that there isnt a club willing to pay money for a high profile goalkeeper who played in the world cup final.
Between him, Ruiz and Mitroglou we've just thrown away more money by not trying to get a fee for them and just loaning them out. I cant think of another club so inept at this
If he can make it into the first team he will have games until January when the other keeper may be fit. But we have seen nothing of him at Fulham that would make any club want to buy him. So a loan is the best we could hope for. As for getting rid of our big earners. We are keeping Parker because he actually contributed something to the team. Rodders I am sorry to see go but we may well have an upgrade in mind. But for the others they have a reputation for being good but we have seen nothing of it.
Quote from: Swiss72 on June 22, 2015, 08:01:45 PM
He is off on loan at Saints for one year.
Do we get a transfer fee?
Quote from: Bill2 on June 22, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
Quote from: Swiss72 on June 22, 2015, 08:01:45 PM
He is off on loan at Saints for one year.
Do we get a transfer fee?
No but part if not all his wage bill goes off the books.
Quote from: fulhamben on June 22, 2015, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: intertoto2002fulham on June 22, 2015, 07:50:59 PM
Do any of these players want to play in the Championship?
If they don't I can see Kit and Riggs logic that we're better off without them, clearing the wage bill to sign younger and hungrier championship players.
It's the Cairneys, Husbands and Dunks of this world as well as Pringle, Woodrow, McCormack, Bettinelli and Christensen which will be the good long term investments and help get us back to the Prem.
Ruiz has openly said he wants to leave. We can only assumer Mitro is the same. And Lovebite is a liability with his red cards.
Quote from: Andy S on June 22, 2015, 07:45:50 PM
You need to get real. You do not need over paid Prima donna's to get out of this league. Debt will get you out quicker than you think!
no what you need is the best players in the league, with a good manager leading them. confident? i wouldnt sell one top player till there replacement has signed. now you could argue that we have done that with stek, but not with any of the others. and granted none have actually gone yet. i just dont get how some can be happy that good players are leaving, just because of a wage bill. and yet know one mentions parker, yet the majority recognise the importance of a good dm coming in. getting rid of him will improve us and save us the most on wages, why is he never mentioned in a cant wait to get rid of list?
Possibly because Parker still has a lot to offer and the others don't
I didn't go to that many aways during his season, but whenever I did it seemed to coincide with Stek letting in a soft goal. Nor did he impress neighbours who only saw him at home. The seasonal opener at Sunderland -- when reportedly he did do well, but got injured -- may well have been his Fulham highlight.
Can't have been easy playing behind a porous defence, but he did seemingly little to take command of it. Didn't come across as (by goalie standards) the bravest either. Altogether a disappointment. Maybe he'll revive under a Dutch manager, but it's now been a fair few seasons of decline.
Quote from: MikeW on June 22, 2015, 08:36:50 PM
fulhamben - having a laugh are'nt you?
Ridiculous posts
what, about not getting rid of your assets before replacements are found, or how weirdly some are happy to lose better players just to save on wages
We don't hold any of the cards when it comes to Stek. A - he doesn't want to be here B - He's got a long contract with big wages C - He's been injured or benched for the past two years so no one will take a punt on him with a permanent transfer especially matching the wages we are probably paying him D - Everyone knows we want him off the wage bill.
Normally our transfer policy if laughable but can't see how the club had any choice with this one
He'll be happy there. They have a good training table.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on June 22, 2015, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 22, 2015, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: intertoto2002fulham on June 22, 2015, 07:50:59 PM
Do any of these players want to play in the Championship?
If they don't I can see Kit and Riggs logic that we're better off without them, clearing the wage bill to sign younger and hungrier championship players.
It's the Cairneys, Husbands and Dunks of this world as well as Pringle, Woodrow, McCormack, Bettinelli and Christensen which will be the good long term investments and help get us back to the Prem.
Ruiz has openly said he wants to leave. We can only assumer Mitro is the same. And Lovebite is a liability with his red cards.
Quote from: Andy S on June 22, 2015, 07:45:50 PM
You need to get real. You do not need over paid Prima donna's to get out of this league. Debt will get you out quicker than you think!
no what you need is the best players in the league, with a good manager leading them. confident? i wouldnt sell one top player till there replacement has signed. now you could argue that we have done that with stek, but not with any of the others. and granted none have actually gone yet. i just dont get how some can be happy that good players are leaving, just because of a wage bill. and yet know one mentions parker, yet the majority recognise the importance of a good dm coming in. getting rid of him will improve us and save us the most on wages, why is he never mentioned in a cant wait to get rid of list?
Possibly because Parker still has a lot to offer and the others don't
lol, so parker has more to offer than hugo mitro dembele ruiz roberts david and stek. when is he going to show it to us then. and you dont want us to sign a dm then?
Not bad deal if you ask me. If he is not going to be our first choice keeper this year (which he is not as we have Betts and signed another keeper), he gets a chance to play at a high level which i am sure he wants. If he does well, and we do well, we have the option to have him back with us next year...especially if Chelscum or someone come in for Betts next year.
As to Hugo, Mitro, Ruiz going.....I am OK with that. Hugo is not a bad player and score some goals for us last year. Mitro I think is quite good, would not be upset to see him in the squad. Ruiz wants to leave, has only one year left. I say get some cash while we can for him. Our defense SUCKS as evidenced by how much we conceded last year. Midfield needs work too. If the sale of the before mentioned players finances the improvement of the defense and midfield, than i support it.
I know few who wish to see Roberts move along. If he will not sign, at some point we have to make a decision is it best to let him go on a free or take cash for our investment? I doubt anyone wants to see him gone.
David I could care less about if he is here or not. I know...here come the David is awesome crowd. Could not get in our team under several managers. Could not get in the team when on loan. I suppose fans are correct and none of the managers who have had him knew how to evaluate players.
We could be getting a loan fee for Stek. Plus hopefully lose his wages and we still own the asset. Yes, I am sure we would prefer to sell him, however he has a contract so we can't just sack him !
Quote from: fulhamben on June 22, 2015, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on June 22, 2015, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 22, 2015, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: intertoto2002fulham on June 22, 2015, 07:50:59 PM
Do any of these players want to play in the Championship?
If they don't I can see Kit and Riggs logic that we're better off without them, clearing the wage bill to sign younger and hungrier championship players.
It's the Cairneys, Husbands and Dunks of this world as well as Pringle, Woodrow, McCormack, Bettinelli and Christensen which will be the good long term investments and help get us back to the Prem.
Ruiz has openly said he wants to leave. We can only assumer Mitro is the same. And Lovebite is a liability with his red cards.
Quote from: Andy S on June 22, 2015, 07:45:50 PM
You need to get real. You do not need over paid Prima donna's to get out of this league. Debt will get you out quicker than you think!
no what you need is the best players in the league, with a good manager leading them. confident? i wouldnt sell one top player till there replacement has signed. now you could argue that we have done that with stek, but not with any of the others. and granted none have actually gone yet. i just dont get how some can be happy that good players are leaving, just because of a wage bill. and yet know one mentions parker, yet the majority recognise the importance of a good dm coming in. getting rid of him will improve us and save us the most on wages, why is he never mentioned in a cant wait to get rid of list?
Possibly because Parker still has a lot to offer and the others don't
lol, so parker has more to offer than hugo mitro dembele ruiz roberts david and stek. when is he going to show it to us then. and you dont want us to sign a dm then?
Yes he does have more to offer and showed it week in week out, but you will only see what you want to, doesn't mean that the club shouldn't get a DM though, after all he's a year older
Stek was treated badly, and his injuries hampered him massively. Would have been a very good goalkeeper for us. Good signing for Saints.
Quote from: snarks on June 22, 2015, 10:03:51 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 22, 2015, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on June 22, 2015, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 22, 2015, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: intertoto2002fulham on June 22, 2015, 07:50:59 PM
Do any of these players want to play in the Championship?
If they don't I can see Kit and Riggs logic that we're better off without them, clearing the wage bill to sign younger and hungrier championship players.
It's the Cairneys, Husbands and Dunks of this world as well as Pringle, Woodrow, McCormack, Bettinelli and Christensen which will be the good long term investments and help get us back to the Prem.
Ruiz has openly said he wants to leave. We can only assumer Mitro is the same. And Lovebite is a liability with his red cards.
Quote from: Andy S on June 22, 2015, 07:45:50 PM
You need to get real. You do not need over paid Prima donna's to get out of this league. Debt will get you out quicker than you think!
no what you need is the best players in the league, with a good manager leading them. confident? i wouldnt sell one top player till there replacement has signed. now you could argue that we have done that with stek, but not with any of the others. and granted none have actually gone yet. i just dont get how some can be happy that good players are leaving, just because of a wage bill. and yet know one mentions parker, yet the majority recognise the importance of a good dm coming in. getting rid of him will improve us and save us the most on wages, why is he never mentioned in a cant wait to get rid of list?
Possibly because Parker still has a lot to offer and the others don't
lol, so parker has more to offer than hugo mitro dembele ruiz roberts david and stek. when is he going to show it to us then. and you dont want us to sign a dm then?
Yes he does have more to offer and showed it week in week out, but you will only see what you want to, doesn't mean that the club shouldn't get a DM though, after all he's a year older
weve been crap week in week out for the last two years. dominated in the middle in most games. so would you spend good money on a dm, or just some cheap average cover player?
if you limit your research of Fulham's season to highlights then Hugo looks amazing. But if you watch every game for the full 90 minutes he actually offers pretty much sweet FA. As for Stekelenberg I think we need to look at the bigger picture here. We have a very good young keeper who will only get better. He is one of our own which is something we haven't had since Sean Davis. Even the likes of Williams Dembele and Woodrow were signed from other clubs.
If we are going to keep Stekelenberg then it has a few issues on its own. 1- if he is made the number two is he really the kind of character to respect that decision and keep a happy camp? 2- if he is number two then surely that is ridiculous business sense to keep his wages for doing virtually nothing, and before we compare wanting Parker as a squad player I think its fair to say a reserve keeper does far less through a season. And 3- if Stekelenberg was number one what would that do to Betts and more importantly why would we want him to take Betts place?
I am not commenting on whether he was treated right or not but what I will say is that from what I saw of him he wasn't good with the exception of Utd away where he had 9 defenders in front of him, Stockdale if nothing else added the passion and heart that most of the squad lacked. Parker has a lot to offer in the squad, we have a lot of young players and his experience and quality gives a good balance. The reason he burned out so much last season was because he was left far too much to do, at times he carried us and at his age it proved too much. That's why we need the CDM who can take his place but having Scotty on the bench makes us a better team than a worse one.
Dembele and Roberts seem to have been managed poorly on and off the pitch and it will be frustrating to lose them both but at the right price I think we need to accept that's how it is especially as a championship club. Saints lost Walcott Ox and Bale whilst they were down there and they didn't bounce back immediately, sometimes its the cost of being a smaller club. But Amorebieta Mitroglou and Stek are a waste of time for us, if nothing else Parker understands English football and has the mentality, I also would like to think Parker has enough of a conscious to care about us being relegated. Cant say the other 3 are actually that bothered about us and I think they should be accepted as bad bits of business and moved on.
Its not just about cutting the wage bill, its about forming a group who can have good team morale and buy into our ambitions. I cant see Mitroglou or Stek being one of the lads somehow, they could be quite distant from the rest which is not what we need. We need a team, not individuals
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 22, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
if you limit your research of Fulham's season to highlights then Hugo looks amazing. But if you watch every game for the full 90 minutes he actually offers pretty much sweet FA. As for Stekelenberg I think we need to look at the bigger picture here. We have a very good young keeper who will only get better. He is one of our own which is something we haven't had since Sean Davis. Even the likes of Williams Dembele and Woodrow were signed from other clubs.
If we are going to keep Stekelenberg then it has a few issues on its own. 1- if he is made the number two is he really the kind of character to respect that decision and keep a happy camp? 2- if he is number two then surely that is ridiculous business sense to keep his wages for doing virtually nothing, and before we compare wanting Parker as a squad player I think its fair to say a reserve keeper does far less through a season. And 3- if Stekelenberg was number one what would that do to Betts and more importantly why would we want him to take Betts place?
I am not commenting on whether he was treated right or not but what I will say is that from what I saw of him he wasn't good with the exception of Utd away where he had 9 defenders in front of him, Stockdale if nothing else added the passion and heart that most of the squad lacked. Parker has a lot to offer in the squad, we have a lot of young players and his experience and quality gives a good balance. The reason he burned out so much last season was because he was left far too much to do, at times he carried us and at his age it proved too much. That's why we need the CDM who can take his place but having Scotty on the bench makes us a better team than a worse one.
Dembele and Roberts seem to have been managed poorly on and off the pitch and it will be frustrating to lose them both but at the right price I think we need to accept that's how it is especially as a championship club. Saints lost Walcott Ox and Bale whilst they were down there and they didn't bounce back immediately, sometimes its the cost of being a smaller club. But Amorebieta Mitroglou and Stek are a waste of time for us, if nothing else Parker understands English football and has the mentality, I also would like to think Parker has enough of a conscious to care about us being relegated. Cant say the other 3 are actually that bothered about us and I think they should be accepted as bad bits of business and moved on.
Its not just about cutting the wage bill, its about forming a group who can have good team morale and buy into our ambitions. I cant see Mitroglou or Stek being one of the lads somehow, they could be quite distant from the rest which is not what we need. We need a team, not individuals
What a load of absolute sense.
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on June 22, 2015, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 22, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
if you limit your research of Fulham's season to highlights then Hugo looks amazing. But if you watch every game for the full 90 minutes he actually offers pretty much sweet FA. As for Stekelenberg I think we need to look at the bigger picture here. We have a very good young keeper who will only get better. He is one of our own which is something we haven't had since Sean Davis. Even the likes of Williams Dembele and Woodrow were signed from other clubs.
If we are going to keep Stekelenberg then it has a few issues on its own. 1- if he is made the number two is he really the kind of character to respect that decision and keep a happy camp? 2- if he is number two then surely that is ridiculous business sense to keep his wages for doing virtually nothing, and before we compare wanting Parker as a squad player I think its fair to say a reserve keeper does far less through a season. And 3- if Stekelenberg was number one what would that do to Betts and more importantly why would we want him to take Betts place?
I am not commenting on whether he was treated right or not but what I will say is that from what I saw of him he wasn't good with the exception of Utd away where he had 9 defenders in front of him, Stockdale if nothing else added the passion and heart that most of the squad lacked. Parker has a lot to offer in the squad, we have a lot of young players and his experience and quality gives a good balance. The reason he burned out so much last season was because he was left far too much to do, at times he carried us and at his age it proved too much. That's why we need the CDM who can take his place but having Scotty on the bench makes us a better team than a worse one.
Dembele and Roberts seem to have been managed poorly on and off the pitch and it will be frustrating to lose them both but at the right price I think we need to accept that's how it is especially as a championship club. Saints lost Walcott Ox and Bale whilst they were down there and they didn't bounce back immediately, sometimes its the cost of being a smaller club. But Amorebieta Mitroglou and Stek are a waste of time for us, if nothing else Parker understands English football and has the mentality, I also would like to think Parker has enough of a conscious to care about us being relegated. Cant say the other 3 are actually that bothered about us and I think they should be accepted as bad bits of business and moved on.
Its not just about cutting the wage bill, its about forming a group who can have good team morale and buy into our ambitions. I cant see Mitroglou or Stek being one of the lads somehow, they could be quite distant from the rest which is not what we need. We need a team, not individuals
What a load of absolute sense.
sticking parker on the bench? couldnt we use that 75k a week else where?
Quote from: fulhamben on June 22, 2015, 10:37:08 PM
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on June 22, 2015, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 22, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
if you limit your research of Fulham's season to highlights then Hugo looks amazing. But if you watch every game for the full 90 minutes he actually offers pretty much sweet FA. As for Stekelenberg I think we need to look at the bigger picture here. We have a very good young keeper who will only get better. He is one of our own which is something we haven't had since Sean Davis. Even the likes of Williams Dembele and Woodrow were signed from other clubs.
If we are going to keep Stekelenberg then it has a few issues on its own. 1- if he is made the number two is he really the kind of character to respect that decision and keep a happy camp? 2- if he is number two then surely that is ridiculous business sense to keep his wages for doing virtually nothing, and before we compare wanting Parker as a squad player I think its fair to say a reserve keeper does far less through a season. And 3- if Stekelenberg was number one what would that do to Betts and more importantly why would we want him to take Betts place?
I am not commenting on whether he was treated right or not but what I will say is that from what I saw of him he wasn't good with the exception of Utd away where he had 9 defenders in front of him, Stockdale if nothing else added the passion and heart that most of the squad lacked. Parker has a lot to offer in the squad, we have a lot of young players and his experience and quality gives a good balance. The reason he burned out so much last season was because he was left far too much to do, at times he carried us and at his age it proved too much. That's why we need the CDM who can take his place but having Scotty on the bench makes us a better team than a worse one.
Dembele and Roberts seem to have been managed poorly on and off the pitch and it will be frustrating to lose them both but at the right price I think we need to accept that's how it is especially as a championship club. Saints lost Walcott Ox and Bale whilst they were down there and they didn't bounce back immediately, sometimes its the cost of being a smaller club. But Amorebieta Mitroglou and Stek are a waste of time for us, if nothing else Parker understands English football and has the mentality, I also would like to think Parker has enough of a conscious to care about us being relegated. Cant say the other 3 are actually that bothered about us and I think they should be accepted as bad bits of business and moved on.
Its not just about cutting the wage bill, its about forming a group who can have good team morale and buy into our ambitions. I cant see Mitroglou or Stek being one of the lads somehow, they could be quite distant from the rest which is not what we need. We need a team, not individuals
What a load of absolute sense.
sticking parker on the bench? couldnt we use that 75k a week else where?
Until I see proof he is on that much then I wont believe it, I reckon that was his wage in the prem before all the squad had to take deductions.
And I am sure you as well as most of us feel that Hyndman and LVC as well as one more quality midfielder is the way forward. Now if that's the case why would we spend money on someone to sit on the bench when at the end of the year the transfer fee, agent fee and wages will probably account to a similar total to Parkers wage anyway and how many players could we get to sit on our bench with his experience?
For me, Parker isn't comparable to the others being mentioned. He offers qualities on and off the pitch that none of the others have, maybe Mitroglou is a better player but I don't think he is what we need and more importantly I don't think we are what he wants. Its about balancing the books but its also about building the right squad for our situation
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 22, 2015, 10:57:43 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 22, 2015, 10:37:08 PM
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on June 22, 2015, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 22, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
if you limit your research of Fulham's season to highlights then Hugo looks amazing. But if you watch every game for the full 90 minutes he actually offers pretty much sweet FA. As for Stekelenberg I think we need to look at the bigger picture here. We have a very good young keeper who will only get better. He is one of our own which is something we haven't had since Sean Davis. Even the likes of Williams Dembele and Woodrow were signed from other clubs.
If we are going to keep Stekelenberg then it has a few issues on its own. 1- if he is made the number two is he really the kind of character to respect that decision and keep a happy camp? 2- if he is number two then surely that is ridiculous business sense to keep his wages for doing virtually nothing, and before we compare wanting Parker as a squad player I think its fair to say a reserve keeper does far less through a season. And 3- if Stekelenberg was number one what would that do to Betts and more importantly why would we want him to take Betts place?
I am not commenting on whether he was treated right or not but what I will say is that from what I saw of him he wasn't good with the exception of Utd away where he had 9 defenders in front of him, Stockdale if nothing else added the passion and heart that most of the squad lacked. Parker has a lot to offer in the squad, we have a lot of young players and his experience and quality gives a good balance. The reason he burned out so much last season was because he was left far too much to do, at times he carried us and at his age it proved too much. That's why we need the CDM who can take his place but having Scotty on the bench makes us a better team than a worse one.
Dembele and Roberts seem to have been managed poorly on and off the pitch and it will be frustrating to lose them both but at the right price I think we need to accept that's how it is especially as a championship club. Saints lost Walcott Ox and Bale whilst they were down there and they didn't bounce back immediately, sometimes its the cost of being a smaller club. But Amorebieta Mitroglou and Stek are a waste of time for us, if nothing else Parker understands English football and has the mentality, I also would like to think Parker has enough of a conscious to care about us being relegated. Cant say the other 3 are actually that bothered about us and I think they should be accepted as bad bits of business and moved on.
Its not just about cutting the wage bill, its about forming a group who can have good team morale and buy into our ambitions. I cant see Mitroglou or Stek being one of the lads somehow, they could be quite distant from the rest which is not what we need. We need a team, not individuals
What a load of absolute sense.
sticking parker on the bench? couldnt we use that 75k a week else where?
Until I see proof he is on that much then I wont believe it, I reckon that was his wage in the prem before all the squad had to take deductions.
And I am sure you as well as most of us feel that Hyndman and LVC as well as one more quality midfielder is the way forward. Now if that's the case why would we spend money on someone to sit on the bench when at the end of the year the transfer fee, agent fee and wages will probably account to a similar total to Parkers wage anyway and how many players could we get to sit on our bench with his experience?
For me, Parker isn't comparable to the others being mentioned. He offers qualities on and off the pitch that none of the others have, maybe Mitroglou is a better player but I don't think he is what we need and more importantly I don't think he is what we want. Its about balancing the books but its also about building the right squad for our situation
fair enough, but id rather see mitro next to ross, with a shiny new dm in place of scott. and im at the point now, where i dont care about what happens off the field.
Well I'm sorry you don't care about what happens off the pitch, and by that I think you mean FFP, but it's part of the modern game.
Fans have to accept that clubs generally can't just spend shed loads of money and not worry about the consequences. Now you might not want to know the details and that's fine, but you have to understand that's the situation we and others, find ourselves in.
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if you limit your research of Fulham's season to highlights then Hugo looks amazing. But if you watch every game for the full 90 minutes he actually offers pretty much sweet FA. As for Stekelenberg I think we need to look at the bigger picture here. We have a very good young keeper who will only get better. He is one of our own which is something we haven't had since Sean Davis. Even the likes of Williams Dembele and Woodrow were signed from other clubs.
If we are going to keep Stekelenberg then it has a few issues on its own. 1- if he is made the number two is he really the kind of character to respect that decision and keep a happy camp? 2- if he is number two then surely that is ridiculous business sense to keep his wages for doing virtually nothing, and before we compare wanting Parker as a squad player I think its fair to say a reserve keeper does far less through a season. And 3- if Stekelenberg was number one what would that do to Betts and more importantly why would we want him to take Betts place?
I am not commenting on whether he was treated right or not but what I will say is that from what I saw of him he wasn't good with the exception of Utd away where he had 9 defenders in front of him, Stockdale if nothing else added the passion and heart that most of the squad lacked. Parker has a lot to offer in the squad, we have a lot of young players and his experience and quality gives a good balance. The reason he burned out so much last season was because he was left far too much to do, at times he carried us and at his age it proved too much. That's why we need the CDM who can take his place but having Scotty on the bench makes us a better team than a worse one.
Dembele and Roberts seem to have been managed poorly on and off the pitch and it will be frustrating to lose them both but at the right price I think we need to accept that's how it is especially as a championship club. Saints lost Walcott Ox and Bale whilst they were down there and they didn't bounce back immediately, sometimes its the cost of being a smaller club. But Amorebieta Mitroglou and Stek are a waste of time for us, if nothing else Parker understands English football and has the mentality, I also would like to think Parker has enough of a conscious to care about us being relegated. Cant say the other 3 are actually that bothered about us and I think they should be accepted as bad bits of business and moved on.
Its not just about cutting the wage bill, its about forming a group who can have good team morale and buy into our ambitions. I cant see Mitroglou or Stek being one of the lads somehow, they could be quite distant from the rest which is not what we need. We need a team, not individuals
What a load of absolute sense.
sticking parker on the bench? couldnt we use that 75k a week else where?
Until I see proof he is on that much then I wont believe it, I reckon that was his wage in the prem before all the squad had to take deductions.
And I am sure you as well as most of us feel that Hyndman and LVC as well as one more quality midfielder is the way forward. Now if that's the case why would we spend money on someone to sit on the bench when at the end of the year the transfer fee, agent fee and wages will probably account to a similar total to Parkers wage anyway and how many players could we get to sit on our bench with his experience?
For me, Parker isn't comparable to the others being mentioned. He offers qualities on and off the pitch that none of the others have, maybe Mitroglou is a better player but I don't think he is what we need and more importantly I don't think he is what we want. Its about balancing the books but its also about building the right squad for our situation
fair enough, but id rather see mitro next to ross, with a shiny new dm in place of scott. and im at the point now, where i dont care about what happens off the field.
But what happens off the field effects everything. This isn't football manager, if a player isn't happy or doesn't gel then they might hit mid table form but they wont play on a consistent basis. I would rather lose Mitroglou and try to sign Vydra for 7 million or Rhodes etc.... Someone proven at this level, I have only seen Mitroglou perform quite well in the odd Champs league game and against Greek opposition who to be fair half of which are probably worse than us. At least top scorers in this league almost guarantee goals.
So I would get him out asap and refuse a loan, 5 million will do. And spend it on one of the above or similar, to me that shows more ambition than pretending a glorified injury prone Greek wants to be here and will ever come good.
And I don't think anyone wants to have Scott starting, most of us agree we need a shiny new dm like you say but the point is does losing Scott altogether benefit us. We wont get a fee and replacements as the squad player we want him to be wont be as good. And if they are they will cost, which seems pointless to sit on the bench. We need all the money we can get to sign the key players. I will even accept Kavanagh as a squad player to free up funds!
This move for Stekelburg makes eminent sense: he has struggled to get a game at Roma, with us and at Monaco for 4 years now. Ronald Koelman knows him from Ajax days and will take a punt on him while Fraser injured. We get short term to move his expensive wages down to St Marys. if he is fully fit and makes an impression then we actually have a marketable asset - which today we don't - either Saints keep him or we sell him. Or he is ready for Premiership if we get promoted ;)
Worst thing happens is he does nothing again, Fraser comes back in Jan and he gets shipped back to us or out on another loan. We still save 5 months of high wages.
This thread went elsewhere about Parker and Mitroglou. All I would say to add to this, players who dont want to put a shift in and are on high wages we must get rid of. That suggests Parker is worth keeping, agree not necessarily start every game. it also says we dont know what to do about Mitroglou but at least someone wants him so maybe he goes. Amorebieta has actually shown he can put a shift in in the Championship so I am not sure what his wages are and whether he has value elsewhere. Maybe there is a deal with Boro for him for Husband on more permanent deal? I would take that.
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if you limit your research of Fulham's season to highlights then Hugo looks amazing. But if you watch every game for the full 90 minutes he actually offers pretty much sweet FA. As for Stekelenberg I think we need to look at the bigger picture here. We have a very good young keeper who will only get better. He is one of our own which is something we haven't had since Sean Davis. Even the likes of Williams Dembele and Woodrow were signed from other clubs.
If we are going to keep Stekelenberg then it has a few issues on its own. 1- if he is made the number two is he really the kind of character to respect that decision and keep a happy camp? 2- if he is number two then surely that is ridiculous business sense to keep his wages for doing virtually nothing, and before we compare wanting Parker as a squad player I think its fair to say a reserve keeper does far less through a season. And 3- if Stekelenberg was number one what would that do to Betts and more importantly why would we want him to take Betts place?
I am not commenting on whether he was treated right or not but what I will say is that from what I saw of him he wasn't good with the exception of Utd away where he had 9 defenders in front of him, Stockdale if nothing else added the passion and heart that most of the squad lacked. Parker has a lot to offer in the squad, we have a lot of young players and his experience and quality gives a good balance. The reason he burned out so much last season was because he was left far too much to do, at times he carried us and at his age it proved too much. That's why we need the CDM who can take his place but having Scotty on the bench makes us a better team than a worse one.
Dembele and Roberts seem to have been managed poorly on and off the pitch and it will be frustrating to lose them both but at the right price I think we need to accept that's how it is especially as a championship club. Saints lost Walcott Ox and Bale whilst they were down there and they didn't bounce back immediately, sometimes its the cost of being a smaller club. But Amorebieta Mitroglou and Stek are a waste of time for us, if nothing else Parker understands English football and has the mentality, I also would like to think Parker has enough of a conscious to care about us being relegated. Cant say the other 3 are actually that bothered about us and I think they should be accepted as bad bits of business and moved on.
Its not just about cutting the wage bill, its about forming a group who can have good team morale and buy into our ambitions. I cant see Mitroglou or Stek being one of the lads somehow, they could be quite distant from the rest which is not what we need. We need a team, not individuals
What a load of absolute sense.
sticking parker on the bench? couldnt we use that 75k a week else where?
Until I see proof he is on that much then I wont believe it, I reckon that was his wage in the prem before all the squad had to take deductions.
And I am sure you as well as most of us feel that Hyndman and LVC as well as one more quality midfielder is the way forward. Now if that's the case why would we spend money on someone to sit on the bench when at the end of the year the transfer fee, agent fee and wages will probably account to a similar total to Parkers wage anyway and how many players could we get to sit on our bench with his experience?
For me, Parker isn't comparable to the others being mentioned. He offers qualities on and off the pitch that none of the others have, maybe Mitroglou is a better player but I don't think he is what we need and more importantly I don't think he is what we want. Its about balancing the books but its also about building the right squad for our situation
fair enough, but id rather see mitro next to ross, with a shiny new dm in place of scott. and im at the point now, where i dont care about what happens off the field.
But what happens off the field effects everything. This isn't football manager, if a player isn't happy or doesn't gel then they might hit mid table form but they wont play on a consistent basis. I would rather lose Mitroglou and try to sign Vydra for 7 million or Rhodes etc.... Someone proven at this level, I have only seen Mitroglou perform quite well in the odd Champs league game and against Greek opposition who to be fair half of which are probably worse than us. At least top scorers in this league almost guarantee goals.
So I would get him out asap and refuse a loan, 5 million will do. And spend it on one of the above or similar, to me that shows more ambition than pretending a glorified injury prone Greek wants to be here and will ever come good.
And I don't think anyone wants to have Scott starting, most of us agree we need a shiny new dm like you say but the point is does losing Scott altogether benefit us. We wont get a fee and replacements as the squad player we want him to be wont be as good. And if they are they will cost, which seems pointless to sit on the bench. We need all the money we can get to sign the key players. I will even accept Kavanagh as a squad player to free up funds!
but by all acounts, everything off the pitch was rosey once kit took over, and we got steadily worse. meaning it cant be the bee all and end all. plus you hear of lots of successfull teams through the years that had players that hated each over and wouldnt talk when off the pitch. you must get that in every team regardless. plus this is all speculation as ive never heard anyone say konstantinos has an attitude.
Done deal. On the Southampton website now.
Disappointed that it's only a loan deal, but can see why.
Only way that this is a good deal is if Southampton are covering 100% of his wages. If Maarten Stekelenburg is on £40k a week, then we'd be saving ourselves over £2m on wages this year. Players that cost less than £2m when signed in the Championship: Michail Antonio, Jota, Riyad Mahrez, Jeremy Helan and Nahki Wells. *A lot of business in this division is via frees and loans.
Oh and I know we're not receiving £2m, but if that money was already budgeted, then it's been freed up so the same kind of affect. It's more about freeing up the wages and removing the unhelpful character/player profile. He'll play until Fraser Forster is back from injury and will then prove to be disposable again before we loan/sell him next summer with him in the last year of his contract.
Stek doesn't want to play here imo.
Getting him out to Saints will give him games (due to their injury probs) and will also get him in the public eye. Hopefully so we can sell him on at a later date once he regains confidence/fitness.
I would have liked a straight sale, but would have been surprised if we managed that considering his lack of games/fitness etc.
So, all in all a loan is better than nothing.
COYW!
Get West London reporting that it's saved us 1.2 million in wages. If we're to stay within FFP rules, then this is the sort of deal we need to arrange. BUT the savings need to be invested back into the squad, so that we can build something resembling a promotion push....
Over the past few months he's been heavily linked with a move to Premier League Southampton following an injury to England international goalkeeper Fraser Forster that will see him miss the majority of next season.
He joined on loan yesterday, and Get West London claims that Ronald Koeman has now cut a mammoth £1.2 million out of the Whites wage bill for the year.
Read more at http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/stekelenburgs-switch-to-southampton-saves-fulham-1-2-million/#dDp2wcKG2v354Hq1.99 (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/stekelenburgs-switch-to-southampton-saves-fulham-1-2-million/#dDp2wcKG2v354Hq1.99)
So depending on how you define "year" - football season, calendar year, FFC accounting year? Then if we have saved £1.2m it suggests a rather lower salary than the £40k that was being speculated on, perhaps £25 - 30k?
On another thread it was alleged that Parker is on £75k, seems like another inflated estimate to me.
Have it good account the £1.2m is 60% of his wages.
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Have it good account the £1.2m is 60% of his wages.
The remaining 40% is still probably the equivalent wages of another Championship player's wages. Shame we couldn't shift the player completely.
Stek is a good keeper, but he needs a good defence in front of him.....that's why he was pony for us!
Stekelenburg was utterly useless I said it at his first game for us against Palace away when he didnt come off his line to deal with a simple corner and we went 1-0 down. He will be useless at Southampton and is only being bought because hes dutch as is Ronald Koeman.
His first game was away at Sunderland where we won 1-0...
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His first game was away at Sunderland where we won 1-0...
Is that the game he went off in the first half because his shoulder was made of cardboard?
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His first game was away at Sunderland where we won 1-0...
Is that the game he went off in the first half because his shoulder was made of cardboard?
Yeah, he over-stretched and landed awkwardly on it. The win was also very much a false dawn.
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Stekelenburg was utterly useless I said it at his first game for us against Palace away when he didnt come off his line to deal with a simple corner and we went 1-0 down. He will be useless at Southampton and is only being bought because hes dutch as is Ronald Koeman.
Oh yeah, of course Stekelenburg utterly useless. Right.
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His first game was away at Sunderland where we won 1-0...
Is that the game he went off in the first half because his shoulder was made of cardboard?
Yeah, he over-stretched and landed awkwardly on it. The win was also very much a false dawn.
Understatement of the year! Who would have thought we would be where we are 2 years on
This sounds like another bad deal for FFC except for the saving in wages. I cannot understand how we are not able to manage to sell him, with the Premier League clubs spending millions surely 1 of them (even Southampton) would have been prepared to spend a couple of million to sign him, we would then have had additional funds towards buying another player with Championship experience. Why were we in such a rush to lend him out for next season rather than wait for somebody to offer to buy him? Isn't he out of contract next year in which case we will get nothing for him? I assume the next sound financial transactions that we will enter into will be to lend out Ruiz, the Greek and Lovebite and wait for them to be out of contract. Once again it seems our club are clueless in organising and maximising our financial resources!
Stekelenbourg's contract is until 2017.
We had to get rid of him quick as the hordes of agents and managers clamouring for his services were blocking the traffic down to the level crossing at Motspur Park. Southampton offered a slightly better deal than Network Rail.
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His first game was away at Sunderland where we won 1-0...
Is that the game he went off in the first half because his shoulder was made of cardboard?
8-)
I thought he dislocated it when he fell off the sofa reaching for the remote....
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I can't remember how much we paid for Stek but the return we have had on our money is next to nothing. In our history of bad transfer deals, and there is quite a long list, it must be close to Mitrogou for the worst ever.
We need him out of the way, he is obviously not going to give us any service.
heard it was around 2.5 million, also heard that Monaco paid a fee of around 1 million for him last season and also covered around 75% of his salary, have no idea if that is true or not just what i heard.
I would say we are managing this situation as well as can be expected. Betts has shown he can compete for the #1 keeper spot, which means Stek is no longer needed for the current plan. If he has a good spell at Southhampton we may be able to do something with him during the next window.
