So according to Southfield White people will be happy with our new u18 manager. Kevin Keen was appointed last summer as 'Head of Coaching and Under-18s Manager'. The Head of Coaching title is interesting, presume he was in charge of overseeing the development of the youth coaches? I wonder if the new appointment will fulfill a similar role?
Does anyone think Peter Grant will stay on as u21 manager? He gave an interview a few weeks back that seemed to indicate he wasn't but as of yet no news. Shocked that they released Baba and Sambou. Two solid u21 players and we spent 200k on Baba apparently.
1 last thing is I wonder if the Academy have much of a budget to work with? All "our" youth players were bought from other clubs apart from Roberts and Betnelli. Woodrow (Luton), Lasse (FC Midtjylland), Burn (Darlingtong) and so on. So I wonder if we sell Roberts and/or Dembele will Jennings be given much of a budget to buy in some youth or will the funds not be there?
I believe the Head of Coaching essentially leads the meetings and discusses the weekly/monthly plans for each age group in conjunction with Huw Jennings as well as being a general guiding head, so you could consider that he develops youth coaches also.
I don't care for Peter Grant, but he came across ok in his videos at the end of the year, if he were to leave, I presume it'd have been done already. Sol Sambou surprised me, Noe Baba did nothing of note really.
I do believe that academy spending is exempt from Financial Fair Play, so spending only would have been cut for general coping with the loss in finances following relegation. There's always funds - we brought in Aron Davies and tried to get Regan Poole from Newport and linked with Ryan Sweeney of AFC Wimbledon recently, but from what I've seen, it seems we're looking towards more 'home grown' players like DJ Buffonge, Jerome Opoku and Cassian Thomas (who could be part of the next U18 group) as well as the more senior lads like Ryheem Sheckleford, Tayo Edun and Josh Smile.
No need to worry, I believe Aron Davies set us back £250k and we're also scouring with Anthony Dolan and Harrison Paton coming in, Jake Souttar too, Marek Rodak, Jordan Evans, Sean Kavanagh and Liam Donnelly previously. Our guys are good, and our recent reputation (at academy level) will have helped us a tonne.
But to actually answer your last question, yes I do think we'll recycle money made from selling academy products back into the academy, it's the right thing to do and the best way to keep that conveyor belt moving.
We also spent money on Casasuola from Argentina. Be interesting to see if he breaks into first team squad this season.
Quote from: FPT on June 23, 2015, 05:36:04 PM
I believe the Head of Coaching essentially leads the meetings and discusses the weekly/monthly plans for each age group in conjunction with Huw Jennings as well as being a general guiding head, so you could consider that he develops youth coaches also.
I don't care for Peter Grant, but he came across ok in his videos at the end of the year, if he were to leave, I presume it'd have been done already. Sol Sambou surprised me, Noe Baba did nothing of note really.
I do believe that academy spending is exempt from Financial Fair Play, so spending only would have been cut for general coping with the loss in finances following relegation. There's always funds - we brought in Aron Davies and tried to get Regan Poole from Newport and linked with Ryan Sweeney of AFC Wimbledon recently, but from what I've seen, it seems we're looking towards more 'home grown' players like DJ Buffonge, Jerome Opoku and Cassian Thomas (who could be part of the next U18 group) as well as the more senior lads like Ryheem Sheckleford, Tayo Edun and Josh Smile.
No need to worry, I believe Aron Davies set us back £250k and we're also scouring with Anthony Dolan and Harrison Paton coming in, Jake Souttar too, Marek Rodak, Jordan Evans, Sean Kavanagh and Liam Donnelly previously. Our guys are good, and our recent reputation (at academy level) will have helped us a tonne.
But to actually answer your last question, yes I do think we'll recycle money made from selling academy products back into the academy, it's the right thing to do and the best way to keep that conveyor belt moving.
So the head of coaching is similar to Brentford's new head of philosophy, do you think?
I think we were too quick to discard Baba especially for the amount we seemingly paid for him. I suppose youth football is cut throat and if a player stagnates it is hard to keep him on.
Good point on Aaron Davies, forgot we had bought him. As Youngsbitter says above, hopefully Casasola can get into the squad next season seeing as he is highly rated. He seems to have spent more time away with Argentina last season than at Fulham though!
You seem optimistic regarding the Academy?
I always try to be positive! With the academy, it's so much easier than the first team!
I think the next crop of Under 18 talent from the Under 16s is really, really exciting. Some names to remember (and I don't know whether SouthfieldWhite - a good guy with the academy - will agree with me): Cameron Thompson, Jerome Opoku, Marlon Fossey, DJ Buffonge, the two Sessegnon brothers (but Ryan in particular).
Then Luca De La Torre is 17 years of age, as is Tayo Edun. I'm really intrigued as to how the next few years play out, because the quality isn't showing a sign of stopping on the Fulham academy conveyor belt.
Quote from: FPT on June 24, 2015, 03:19:44 PM
I always try to be positive! With the academy, it's so much easier than the first team!
I think the next crop of Under 18 talent from the Under 16s is really, really exciting. Some names to remember (and I don't know whether SouthfieldWhite - a good guy with the academy - will agree with me): Cameron Thompson, Jerome Opoku, Marlon Fossey, DJ Buffonge, the two Sessegnon brothers (but Ryan in particular).
Then Luca De La Torre is 17 years of age, as is Tayo Edun. I'm really intrigued as to how the next few years play out, because the quality isn't showing a sign of stopping on the Fulham academy conveyor belt.
Very true!
I have seen very brief highlights of De La Torre on the club website and he seems to have good technique. Tayo Edun did very well for the u21's against Liverpool (unless I am thinking of the wrong player).
I was very interested in reading the reports of the Champions Youth match against Porto. Numerous accounts suggested that Porto players were technically superior than ours. I wonder why that is still happening? Obviously the English league is about the physical attributes as much as the technical ones but I also wonder is it down to the coaching standards in England? It's much easier to coach physical attributes than technical attributes I'd say. In football manager (I know I know) I always sign coaches from foreign teams, I wonder if the club could entice some of Porto's youth coaches over for instance?
Great appointment in Wigley. Hopefully get a decent under 21 manager in now. Didn't see Plumain or Evans in those training photos whichs is disappointing. Got to keep ppromoting youth through, at least one new face per season
Quote from: FPT on June 24, 2015, 03:19:44 PM
I always try to be positive! With the academy, it's so much easier than the first team!
I think the next crop of Under 18 talent from the Under 16s is really, really exciting. Some names to remember (and I don't know whether SouthfieldWhite - a good guy with the academy - will agree with me): Cameron Thompson, Jerome Opoku, Marlon Fossey, DJ Buffonge, the two Sessegnon brothers (but Ryan in particular).
Then Luca De La Torre is 17 years of age, as is Tayo Edun. I'm really intrigued as to how the next few years play out, because the quality isn't showing a sign of stopping on the Fulham academy conveyor belt.
It's quite funny as a cuple of years ago some of the players FPT has mentioned and in particular that he group didn't seem it was going to be that strong
Lot of these boys have been with us a while now
They have a great attitude which helps lot
I use to see Marlon fossey down the Kingsmeadow running track in the evenings putting in extra work off his own back
Jerome is good mates with my boy as they use to go school together before Jerome moved to the Coombe school with the rest of the Fulham boy
I got told that as soon as we signed Luca de la torre that he'd be one of the best players we'd ever had at the academy and first time I saw him, he didn't dissappoint .
The club have high hopes for him
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 30, 2015, 07:39:06 PM
Quote from: FPT on June 24, 2015, 03:19:44 PM
I always try to be positive! With the academy, it's so much easier than the first team!
I think the next crop of Under 18 talent from the Under 16s is really, really exciting. Some names to remember (and I don't know whether SouthfieldWhite - a good guy with the academy - will agree with me): Cameron Thompson, Jerome Opoku, Marlon Fossey, DJ Buffonge, the two Sessegnon brothers (but Ryan in particular).
Then Luca De La Torre is 17 years of age, as is Tayo Edun. I'm really intrigued as to how the next few years play out, because the quality isn't showing a sign of stopping on the Fulham academy conveyor belt.
It's quite funny as a cuple of years ago some of the players FPT has mentioned and in particular that he group didn't seem it was going to be that strong
Lot of these boys have been with us a while now
They have a great attitude which helps lot
I use to see Marlon fossey down the Kingsmeadow running track in the evenings putting in extra work off his own back
Jerome is good mates with my boy as they use to go school together before Jerome moved to the Coombe school with the rest of the Fulham boy
I got told that as soon as we signed Luca de la torre that he'd be one of the best players we'd ever had at the academy and first time I saw him, he didn't dissappoint .
The club have high hopes for him
Are you happy with Grant to stay on as u21 manager?
Josh paisley still listed as u21 player despite sol sambou and baba being removed...
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/player-profiles (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/player-profiles)
U21 squad looks very threadbare. Need a few signings
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 01, 2015, 11:45:58 AM
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/player-profiles (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/player-profiles)
U21 squad looks very threadbare. Need a few signings
Im 99% sure that its still not been updated correctly. 3 of those are gone as far as I know and last i heard was that Passley was training with Dagenham
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/july/01/retained-list (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/july/01/retained-list)
Surprised Halloran got a new deal, suppose the u21's do need players. Hopefully Donnelly and Evans sign. Club must be confident that they will. Hopefully the player Southfield White namedropped, Da Le Torre, signs his contract too. If he is that highly rated it wouldn't be a surprise to see him go.
Apparently we sold a talented 14 year old to Man City. Didn't even know you could sell 14 year olds!
Seems like Noe Baba, Sol Sambou and Passley still haven't been picked up by anyone which is surprising.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 15, 2015, 04:50:05 PMSeems like Noe Baba, Sol Sambou and Passley still haven't been picked up by anyone which is surprising.
Or shows why they were released?
I know Passley was at Dagenham having a trial, not sure if he's been picked up.
Quote from: MJG on July 15, 2015, 05:36:05 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 15, 2015, 04:50:05 PM
Seems like Noe Baba, Sol Sambou and Passley still haven't been picked up by anyone which is surprising.
Or shows why they were released?
I know Passley was at Dagenham having a trial, not sure if he's been picked up.
Very true. Baba will probably turn up in Ireland somewhere.
Some randomer on TFI, or it could have been 'Spigs', said that Sambou rejected a new deal with us as his agent had some other club lined up. Surprised if that is the case that it hasn't gone through.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 15, 2015, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: MJG on July 15, 2015, 05:36:05 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 15, 2015, 04:50:05 PM
Seems like Noe Baba, Sol Sambou and Passley still haven't been picked up by anyone which is surprising.
Or shows why they were released?
I know Passley was at Dagenham having a trial, not sure if he's been picked up.
Very true. Baba will probably turn up in Ireland somewhere.
Some randomer on TFI, or it could have been 'Spigs', said that Sambou rejected a new deal with us as his agent had some other club lined up. Surprised if that is the case that it hasn't gone through.
Agent was telling everyone he could at the Sunderland u21 game last season that Sambou had turned down a contract and he was going to sort him out with a club.
At his age and experience will be lucky to get a L2/ conference side. Not good enough anyway.
So Baba played for Birmingham U21's last night.
Confirmed that Passley has signed for Dagenham on a years contract.
Quote from: MJG on July 16, 2015, 11:01:37 AM
Confirmed that Passley has signed for Dagenham on a years contract.
Good luck to him. Hope he is successful and doesn't mess around like he did at Portsmouth.
Renny Smith (Arsenal youngster) has rejected Fulham to sign for Bologna. Presumably wanted him for u21 team.
Della Verde has joined Fleetwood.
U21's lost 2-0 to Maidenhead. A new center back called Jens played.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 23, 2015, 10:25:19 AM
Della Verde has joined Fleetwood.
U21's lost 2-0 to Maidenhead. A new center back called Jens played.
That may have been Moritz Jenz who played for our U16's last season I believe
..also, unless I missed it, I find it very odd that Della-Verde's release was not mentioned by the club but all others were
Quote from: Jamie88 on July 23, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 23, 2015, 10:25:19 AM
Della Verde has joined Fleetwood.
U21's lost 2-0 to Maidenhead. A new center back called Jens played.
That may have been Jens Moritz who played for our U16's last season I believe
..also, unless I missed it, I find it very odd that Della-Verde's release was not mentioned by the club but all others were
It was Moritz, came on for Casasola who I was not impressed by. Moritz for a 16 year old looked quite assured in what was a very young U21 team.
Quote from: Jamie88 on July 23, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 23, 2015, 10:25:19 AM
Della Verde has joined Fleetwood.
U21's lost 2-0 to Maidenhead. A new center back called Jens played.
That may have been Jens Moritz who played for our U16's last season I believe
..also, unless I missed it, I find it very odd that Della-Verde's release was not mentioned by the club but all others were
I had noticed that too about Della-Verde's release. Did the same happen with Tom Richards?
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 23, 2015, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on July 23, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 23, 2015, 10:25:19 AM
Della Verde has joined Fleetwood.
U21's lost 2-0 to Maidenhead. A new center back called Jens played.
That may have been Jens Moritz who played for our U16's last season I believe
..also, unless I missed it, I find it very odd that Della-Verde's release was not mentioned by the club but all others were
I had noticed that too about Della-Verde's release. Did the same happen with Tom Richards?
It appears that way, he signed for Aldershot but I don't think the club mentioned it
I tweeted this about the age of the squad last night.
Age of the @fulhamfc 'U21' team that lost last night to Maidenhead Utd.
Avg age : 17.44
Starting XI: 17.8
Finishing team 17.36
Quote from: MJG on July 23, 2015, 01:10:50 PM
I tweeted this about the age of the squad last night.
Age of the @fulhamfc 'U21' team that lost last night to Maidenhead Utd.
Avg age : 17.44
Starting XI: 17.8
Finishing team 17.36
Crikey.
Hopefully the u21's get to sign a few players even if it so that they aren't hammered every week.
One player I've seen progressing through the ranks is Stevie Humphrys, pretty decent striker, scores for fun with U21s now, previously did for U18s. Signed from Burnley 2 years(?) ago. Definite prospect
Quote from: Sheepskin Junior on July 23, 2015, 03:45:43 PM
One player I've seen progressing through the ranks is Stevie Humphrys, pretty decent striker, scores for fun with U21s now, previously did for U18s. Signed from Burnley 2 years(?) ago. Definite prospect
Apart from him signing from Bury, not Burnley, you're right. He reminds me of Dennis Bergkamp, he's got great technique for a bigger player. One to watch for sure.
Quote from: FPT on July 23, 2015, 04:24:10 PM
Quote from: Sheepskin Junior on July 23, 2015, 03:45:43 PM
One player I've seen progressing through the ranks is Stevie Humphrys, pretty decent striker, scores for fun with U21s now, previously did for U18s. Signed from Burnley 2 years(?) ago. Definite prospect
Apart from him signing from Bury, not Burnley, you're right. He reminds me of Dennis Bergkamp, he's got great technique for a bigger player. One to watch for sure.
I knew it was something northern.......
KeithG @kgaskin71 12m12 minutes ago
I really hope this doesn't happen but just got a message from someone whos close to Bettinelli who said his move to Chelsea could be back on
Hew Jennings must be in despair! Lost Roberts and potentially losing Bets, Dembele and Hynmdan.
Noe Baba on trial at Birmingham. They love our youngsters, signed McDonald off of us last season! I think that was in exchange for Nabay though. No word on Sambou.
I posted this today on viva El Fulham about the pre season games and players
http://www.vivaelfulham.co.uk/under-21-s/next-on-the-horizon-16-620.html
Sol Sambou is on trial with Bolton.
Ange Freddy Plumain is training with a French club.
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Ange-freddy-plumain-fulham-a-l-essai-au-red-star/578810 (http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Ange-freddy-plumain-fulham-a-l-essai-au-red-star/578810)
Mesca signs for Cyprus club - http://www.kerkida.net/articles/a-katigoria/eidiseis/ael/116911-galazokitrinos-o-meska (http://www.kerkida.net/articles/a-katigoria/eidiseis/ael/116911-galazokitrinos-o-meska)
Shame if Plumain will leave - I know he is not going to turn into a world-beater, but I liked what I saw when I watched him. Felt that he could have offered a reasonable back up on the wing
DJ Buffoon going to Utd apparently.
Greg Stobart
@gstobart
Manchester United investing in youth as well as first team. Told they will sign Fulham u18 midfielder DJ Buffonge this week #MUFC
Chelsea supporter on Twitter wishing betts good luck :(
Grant has a few interesting comments. Looks like there will be no investment in the u21 squad and we will be more or less playing our u18's.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/05/grants-season-preview (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/05/grants-season-preview)
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 05, 2015, 12:40:40 PM
Grant has a few interesting comments. Looks like there will be no investment in the u21 squad and we will be more or less playing our u18's.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/05/grants-season-preview (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/05/grants-season-preview)
I don't understand your comment about investment at u21
Are you saying we should be out signing 18/19/20 year olds?
Quote from: MJG on August 05, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 05, 2015, 12:40:40 PM
Grant has a few interesting comments. Looks like there will be no investment in the u21 squad and we will be more or less playing our u18's.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/05/grants-season-preview (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/05/grants-season-preview)
I don't understand your comment about investment at u21
Are you saying we should be out signing 18/19/20 year olds?
Well there was one summer when we signed Plumain and Buatu specifically for the u21's. Obviously I am no expert in youth football but it seems odd to utilize a predominantly u18 team as the u21 team.
I think they could do with some help. My investment comment wasn't a barbed comment or a dig, just an observation.
Fulham yet to confirm that Mesca has moved despite the Cypriot club announcing the deal.
Quote from: MJG on August 05, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 05, 2015, 12:40:40 PM
Grant has a few interesting comments. Looks like there will be no investment in the u21 squad and we will be more or less playing our u18's.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/05/grants-season-preview (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/05/grants-season-preview)
I don't understand your comment about investment at u21
Are you saying we should be out signing 18/19/20 year olds?
I think we probably do need to top up this squad a little with players around these ages. Players that have the potential but perhaps have stalled a bit and would benefit with coming in to our u21s set up. Couple of years under our coaching team - perhaps realise their potential with us and then introduced into the senior fold.
Quote from: MJG on August 05, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 05, 2015, 12:40:40 PM
Grant has a few interesting comments. Looks like there will be no investment in the u21 squad and we will be more or less playing our u18's.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/05/grants-season-preview (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/05/grants-season-preview)
I don't understand your comment about investment at u21
Are you saying we should be out signing 18/19/20 year olds?
Players like Dan Burn, yes (To answer someone else's question)
We have been trailing a couple of youngsters in the 19 year old range in the u21 and we are in this position because of the promotion of so many of the youngsters to the first team.
If you break our squad down its actually as large as IRS ever been with 60 plus players.
We were still looking at players across all age ranges, but I remember a month ago we were linked with a young lad and some posted..."what are we looking at them for...grey on with thee first team"
Grant is right its a young team, they have 2/3 years to grow their roles at u21 and on loan, not a bad thing given what we have seen over the last year.
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Sambou training at Bolrton http://m.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/13576274.Trialist_Sambou_helps_Wanderers_Under_21s_end_pre_season_with_a_win/ (http://m.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/13576274.Trialist_Sambou_helps_Wanderers_Under_21s_end_pre_season_with_a_win/)
Academy and youth....
Nah...
Any youth we get that show any potential whatsoever will be sold.
Probably for under 5mil and the resold by the buying club, a few years later, for 3-4 times as much.
We have always been and always will be a selling club.
Not what Fayed built it for I would think.
I give up - it's been going on too long and I'm getting too old to care any longer.
Hyndman rejects contract extensions. http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2015/08/05/american-exports-u-20-standout-emerson-hyndman-turns-down-extension-offers-f? (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2015/08/05/american-exports-u-20-standout-emerson-hyndman-turns-down-extension-offers-f?)
Future is crumbling before our eyes. Jennings and Elias superb work is disintegrating. We got a good fee for Roberts due to his nationality but we will get a relative pittance for Hyndman and Dembele.
Rigg is performing poorly when it comes to negotiations it seems. Can't convince Hyndman, Dembele or Bettnelli and can't sign Lewis Dunk from Brighton or Kevin McDonald from Wolves.
Real shame what has happened. We were on the cusp of being a good club.
I can't help but wonder when it comes to the academy if the club hasn't once again planned better for the future.
Hear me out.
We appoint Kit as the interim manager. We promote a lot of the academy youth to first team. Seems that Mr. Jennings should of been more on the ball and seen the short comings of the future. A plan should of been in place to reqruit and fill in the spaces starting last summer. Instead we now find ourselves with a depleted academy and lads who have had a taste of first team action that see being loaned out or riding the pine as a set back.
Just seems like we should of planned better.
Remember how Man Utd struggled to keep hold of Pogba, or Barca with Pique and Fabregas. Or Real with Mata. Every club has these issues, it's just we actually have players that other clubs covet for the first time in a billion years. We're gonna lose some, we're gonna keep some.
Could things be handled better? Absolutely, but that's the case everywhere. Would it be nice if we had a spine of players come through our youth team? Of course it would, but you don't always get nice.
Hell, there's nothing suggesting any/all of these players we're going to lose will become big superstars. How many times have young players been bought/brought into clubs only to fizzle away.
But mainly end of the world, doom doom doomy doom doom doom.
Quote from: God The Mechanic on August 06, 2015, 03:39:33 AM
Remember how Man Utd struggled to keep hold of Pogba, or Barca with Pique and Fabregas. Or Real with Mata. Every club has these issues, it's just we actually have players that other clubs covet for the first time in a billion years. We're gonna lose some, we're gonna keep some.
Could things be handled better? Absolutely, but that's the case everywhere. Would it be nice if we had a spine of players come through our youth team? Of course it would, but you don't always get nice.
Hell, there's nothing suggesting any/all of these players we're going to lose will become big superstars. How many times have young players been bought/brought into clubs only to fizzle away.
But mainly end of the world, doom doom doomy doom doom doom.
Last season Fulham's pre-season promotional campaign heavily promoted Roberts, Dembele and Hyndman as the future of Fulham. Fast forward one year later and all 3 look like leaving. You are being too generous to the club.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 06, 2015, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: God The Mechanic on August 06, 2015, 03:39:33 AM
Remember how Man Utd struggled to keep hold of Pogba, or Barca with Pique and Fabregas. Or Real with Mata. Every club has these issues, it's just we actually have players that other clubs covet for the first time in a billion years. We're gonna lose some, we're gonna keep some.
Could things be handled better? Absolutely, but that's the case everywhere. Would it be nice if we had a spine of players come through our youth team? Of course it would, but you don't always get nice.
Hell, there's nothing suggesting any/all of these players we're going to lose will become big superstars. How many times have young players been bought/brought into clubs only to fizzle away.
But mainly end of the world, doom doom doomy doom doom doom.
Last season Fulham's pre-season promotional campaign heavily promoted Roberts, Dembele and Hyndman as the future of Fulham. Fast forward one year later and all 3 look like leaving. You are being too generous to the club.
Well... they were the future of the club. Signed on contracts that were as long as were allowed back then. Since then we've struggled and they've likely been told there will be better offers elsewhere. Not everything is the club's fault - even if they have cocked up a lot over the last few years. If we offer all three players £10k a week and they think they can get £20k+ elsewhere, nothing will make them sign those contracts we offer them. This ain't Football Manager.
Thomas McIlroy @thomasmcilroy 22s23 seconds ago
Symons says he wants Bettinelli, Dembele and Hyndman to stay, but sometimes it's out of his control, as it was with Patrick Roberts.
Symons was also asked about the futures of three youngsters whose contracts are due to expire at the end of the campaign; Marcus Bettinelli, Emerson Hyndman and Moussa Dembélé.
"We've talked to all of them, certainly," he confirmed. "I'd like them all to stay at the Club – they're three real bright, good young players, and we'd like them all to stay. But you saw with Pat Roberts that's not always the case.
"Ultimately, the players have got to want to be here, you can't force anyone to sign a contract and there'd be no point doing that. I want players who are totally committed to this Club.
"Like I say, hopefully those three players will all sign and show that level of commitment that's required. I'd be delighted if that was the case, but also I'm realistic. That's not always how it happens, people come and go, so we'll have to see what happens with it, but I'm confident at least some of them will sign, if they all don't."
Have to say I am most surprised at Bettinelli's reluctance to commit to a new deal. A genuine Academy product, unlike Emo and Mous, with his Dad and sister both working for the club. He also benefited from a lot of luck last season in getting a first team place. In a different time he would have ended up like Etheridge and Foderingham and been released in future seasons.
Foday Nabay just signed an extension and if you read my u21 report you know he impressed me in pre season.
Nice to see that a good news post gets such a good quick response. Now if I'd said he was being linked with someone....
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Quote from: MJG on August 06, 2015, 06:15:03 PM
Nice to see that a good news post gets such a good quick response. Now if I'd said he was being linked with someone....
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Where was it announced?
Quote from: God The Mechanic on August 06, 2015, 06:42:18 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 06, 2015, 06:15:03 PM
Nice to see that a good news post gets such a good quick response. Now if I'd said he was being linked with someone....
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Where was it announced?
Via his twitter account this afternoon. Nice picture with Jennings next to him.
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Quote from: MJG on August 06, 2015, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: God The Mechanic on August 06, 2015, 06:42:18 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 06, 2015, 06:15:03 PM
Nice to see that a good news post gets such a good quick response. Now if I'd said he was being linked with someone....
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Where was it announced?
Via his twitter account this afternoon. Nice picture with Jennings next to him.
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Yeah, just seen it retweeted by someone.
Not seen anything of him, but it's never NOT good to sign a youngster to a longer contract. He's just turned 17 so I'm guessing we have him tied down to 2017?
Luca Delatorre has signed a new contract too. Further confirming that the sky is indeed falling.
De La Torre now signed his contract extension
now that is bloody good news
none of this has been announced by the club on the offal, they should to try and raise a bit of optimism!
Plumain wasn't involved in u21's. Casasola had squad number removed and could only manage the bench. It looks like Ian Pino has signed. U21's had good win today. Great news about De La Torre and Nabay, Spigs has been impressed with the former in particular.
Dembele has apparently rejected a new contract.
Quote from: MJG on August 06, 2015, 05:41:27 PM
Foday Nabay just signed an extension and if you read my u21 report you know he impressed me in pre season.
Do you know long for? Hopefully longer than 12 months which is just treading water until January when we could have have another exodus with all the players that have signed short extensions inc Woodrow that won't 'commit' coming up for a year left.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on August 07, 2015, 08:57:14 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 06, 2015, 05:41:27 PM
Foday Nabay just signed an extension and if you read my u21 report you know he impressed me in pre season.
Do you know long for? Hopefully longer than 12 months which is just treading water until January when we could have have another exodus with all the players that have signed short extensions inc Woodrow that won't 'commit' coming up for a year left.
I suspect it would have been the usual three year max including the year option allowed that we give to most who turn 17.
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Great win for the u18's. Apparently we were very good (follow Robert Wood on Twitter). No Fulham team news, I suspect this is due to signings that we may have made but yet to announce for whatever reason.
Passley made his debut for Dagenham in a 3 -0 loss to Portsmouth.
Reece Oxford at 16 years of age started against Arsenal today in their 2-0 win and was very impressive. Jordan Ibe (19) and Joe Gomez (18) both start for Liverpool.
And to make this Fulham related, I get criticized for 'not understanding that young players need pathways (u21 football and loans)'. It is nice to see a youngster circumvent this notion once in a while.
Great interview with Peter Grant. I think he seems to love his job - http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/10/grants-assessment (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/10/grants-assessment)
Noe Baba signs for Birmingham. Would have been a handy player to keep on for another year.
No news on Sambou or Chris David.
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Liam Donnelly has looked sharp throughout so far, nothing going through or past him.
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Adam @_ctfcadam_ Aug 8
Good point today away from home. Liam Donnelly MOTM
Sambou has been on trial at Bolton but don't think he has signed a deal yet.
No news on Chris David.
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Tuesday 11 August 2015 10:00
The Club is pleased to announce that a number of our young players have now signed professional terms at Fulham.
Further to the news that Aron Davies, Josh Walker, Aaron Redford and Elijah Adebayo had all gone pro, we can now confirm that midfielders Luca de la Torre and Foday Nabay have signed deals until June 2018, while Tayo Edun, Mattias Kait and Anthony Dolan have agreed terms until June 2017.
Furthermore, Academy youngsters Jerome Opoku, Cassian Thomas, Taye Ashby-Hammond, Marlon Fossey, Dennis Adeniran and Joshua Lukwata have begun scholarships at the Club, as have Moritz Jenz, Jon Dagur Thorsteinsson and Mikolaj Kwietniewski, who have arrived from clubs in Germany, Iceland and Poland respectively.
Quote from: MJG on August 11, 2015, 11:53:45 AM
Tuesday 11 August 2015 10:00
The Club is pleased to announce that a number of our young players have now signed professional terms at Fulham.
Further to the news that Aron Davies, Josh Walker, Aaron Redford and Elijah Adebayo had all gone pro, we can now confirm that midfielders Luca de la Torre and Foday Nabay have signed deals until June 2018, while Tayo Edun, Mattias Kait and Anthony Dolan have agreed terms until June 2017.
Furthermore, Academy youngsters Jerome Opoku, Cassian Thomas, Taye Ashby-Hammond, Marlon Fossey, Dennis Adeniran and Joshua Lukwata have begun scholarships at the Club, as have Moritz Jenz, Jon Dagur Thorsteinsson and Mikolaj Kwietniewski, who have arrived from clubs in Germany, Iceland and Poland respectively.
That lot should secure our future finances in a couple of years. We had better get Man City & the other stockpilers to tell us which ones they want.
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Quote from: God The Mechanic on August 06, 2015, 03:39:33 AM
Remember how Man Utd struggled to keep hold of Pogba, or Barca with Pique and Fabregas. Or Real with Mata. Every club has these issues, it's just we actually have players that other clubs covet for the first time in a billion years. We're gonna lose some, we're gonna keep some.
Could things be handled better? Absolutely, but that's the case everywhere. Would it be nice if we had a spine of players come through our youth team? Of course it would, but you don't always get nice.
Hell, there's nothing suggesting any/all of these players we're going to lose will become big superstars. How many times have young players been bought/brought into clubs only to fizzle away.
But mainly end of the world, doom doom doomy doom doom doom.
Last season Fulham's pre-season promotional campaign heavily promoted Roberts, Dembele and Hyndman as the future of Fulham. Fast forward one year later and all 3 look like leaving. You are being too generous to the club.
Well... they were the future of the club. Signed on contracts that were as long as were allowed back then. Since then we've struggled and they've likely been told there will be better offers elsewhere. Not everything is the club's fault - even if they have cocked up a lot over the last few years. If we offer all three players £10k a week and they think they can get £20k+ elsewhere, nothing will make them sign those contracts we offer them. This ain't Football Manager.
A lot of good sense, so don't expect too many to agree with you.
Some really good players in that list, Aron Davies looks a phenomenal talent at the back - stepped up in an U21 game against Liverpool. He looks a great blend of the centre backs partnerships we've had at academy level in recent years like the bigger guys Burn and Burgess, and the smaller sweeper types like Grimmer and Donnelly. Luca De La Torre too is a wonderful talent, another that looks to step up to U21 stage with relative ease despite his young years - created the goal in the game against Brighton against a midfield containing Andrew Crofts who is a 14 year professional with Premier League football to his name. I really like Tayo Edun, good left foot, bright and tenacious - not yet had a run at left back for the U21s with Jordan Evans still around (I hope he'll get out on loan).
Though disappointing to lose DJ Buffonge, his cousin (I believe) Dennis Adeniran is another decent prospect - though not the level of Buffonge. Some really good Under 16s there, our next crop now coming into the U18s could push the FA Youth Cup finalist team close by the end of their U18 run.
Quick search on the new boys - can't find anything on Moritz Jens but Jon Dagur Thorsteinsson (Thor will do me as a nickname), is a 16 year old central midfielder from Iceland and alongside his 12 caps for the Iceland U17s he also 5 Icelandic second division appearances and two more Icelandic cup matches to his name which is a great sign. As for Mikolaj Kwietniewski (which I will never learn to spell), is a Polish attacking midfielder and I actually found articles online suggesting that we've been looking at him for three years now and from what I can tell and a side note, the team he signed from have a sell on percentage of 20%.
At a time where a lot seems to be doom and gloom with our youngsters, this is some really positive news.
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Just have to back up FPT, I've quite a few of these lads already this season. All this talk of running down the academy or quality not there is frankly wrong.
I do think the u21's are a bit too young but a lot of the lads may be better off playing a year or two above their age range.
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Neither Dembele or Hyndman get a start against Wycombe. This could be in line with Kit only starting players who want to be here, but then again Betinelli starts.
Donnelly starts for Crawley.
Woodrow getting criticized for last nights performance.
"Poor form of Stephen Arthurworrey epitomises Yeovil Town's defensive issues." Ouch.
Read more: http://www.westerngazette.co.uk/Stephen-Arthurworrey-howler-Yeovil-Town-Capital/story-27593318-detail/story.html#ixzz3iazFZ3Kw (http://www.westerngazette.co.uk/Stephen-Arthurworrey-howler-Yeovil-Town-Capital/story-27593318-detail/story.html#ixzz3iazFZ3Kw)
Jack Grimmer was going to go on another loan deal before that bad tackle from the Wycombe player - http://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/blues/13593230.Southend_United_manager_Phil_Brown_forced_to_look_elsewhere_for_defenders_following_injury_to_Fulham_s_Jack_Grimmer/? (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/blues/13593230.Southend_United_manager_Phil_Brown_forced_to_look_elsewhere_for_defenders_following_injury_to_Fulham_s_Jack_Grimmer/?)
Kit Symons is still waiting to find out the severity of the injury suffered by Jack Grimmer at Wycombe Wanderers on Tuesday.
The defender was the victim of a nasty challenge at Adams Park and, after treatment, had to be stretchered from the field of play.
"Jack Grimmer is actually seeing a specialist today so we'll know more about that once he's seen him," Symons revealed in Friday's pre-match press conference.
"Hopefully there'll be some good news but it was quite a nasty injury so it's going to be a period of time, but it's just finding out how long and what actual damage is done on that one."
The 21-year-old is Fulham's only new injury concern ahead of Saturday's encounter with Brighton & Hove Albion, as a number of players continue their recoveries, while Ryan Tunnicliffe is available after serving a suspension.
"Larnell Cole also so he'll feature for the Under-21s tonight. That's it injury-wise so we've got a relatively clean bill of health."
Fulham U21 team to face Arsenal (KO 7pm): Joronen, Sheckleford, Soler, Burgess, Evans, Smile, Hyndman, O'Halloran, Cole, Weymans, Redford
Looking forward to seeing the bench. Particularly if Pino, Plumain, Casasola or Dembele are there.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 14, 2015, 06:12:07 PM
Fulham U21 team to face Arsenal (KO 7pm): Joronen, Sheckleford, Soler, Burgess, Evans, Smile, Hyndman, O'Halloran, Cole, Weymans, Redford
Looking forward to seeing the bench. Particularly if Pino, Plumain, Casasola or Dembele are there.
I think Soler IS Pino (Spanish names are a bit interchangeable)
Weymans was a recent trialist, too wasn't he?
Quote from: cmg on August 14, 2015, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 14, 2015, 06:12:07 PM
Fulham U21 team to face Arsenal (KO 7pm): Joronen, Sheckleford, Soler, Burgess, Evans, Smile, Hyndman, O'Halloran, Cole, Weymans, Redford
Looking forward to seeing the bench. Particularly if Pino, Plumain, Casasola or Dembele are there.
I think Soler IS Pino (Spanish names are a bit interchangeable)
Weymans was a recent trialist, too wasn't he?
Ah right, interesting. Would not have picked up on that myself.
I am pretty sure that Weymans played against Colchester, if I recall correctly. Wonder if he is still on trial or if we have signed him?
Rodak, De La Torre, Elworthy, Kait and Humphries on the bench.
Assume that means Casasola, Plumain are off.
cmg is right, Soler is Ian Pino.
0-0 h/t
Good to see Joronen back again. Credited with a 'fantastic save'.
Any speculation about Bettenieli can probably end.
After the Wycombe game he pumped his fist on the badge and then favourited a tweet about it.
Now he's just posted a pic of himself from that game pumping the badge and said "this picture says it all".
Ben Jarman @sonikkicks 4m4 minutes ago
ARSENAL GOAL Gedion Zelalem scores a wonderful effort, picking up the ball deep exchanging with Kamara, Iwobi before finishing past Joronen
Ben Jarman @sonikkicks 3m3 minutes ago
It has been coming, Arsenal with a lot of possession in the final third. With Joronen saving Fulham's skin with some cracking saves.
U21s: The full-time score here at Emirates Stadium is Arsenal U21s 1-0 Fulham U21s.
Match report here: http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/2015_2016/league/away/arsenal#report (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/2015_2016/league/away/arsenal#report)
Going by the tweets of Mjg and Jarmin, Joronen was our best player. Arsenal seemed far superior.
MJG @1966MJG 1m1 minute ago
Humphries made a difference when he came on and could have done with his strength from the start. Kait another sub also did well coming on.
MJG @1966MJG 15s16 seconds ago
Hyndman did ok, played very deep and kept the ball moving while also doing a good defensive job. Cole showed flashes of pace, but not ready
MJG @1966MJG 15s16 seconds ago
Hyndman did ok, played very deep and kept the ball moving while also doing a good defensive job. Cole showed flashes of pace, but not ready
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MJG @1966MJG 15s16 seconds ago
Hyndman did ok, played very deep and kept the ball moving while also doing a good defensive job. Cole showed flashes of pace, but not ready
You can say that again!
Nogood "nogood, isit" Boyo
Loan signings -- Luke, Friday, August 14, 07:01:41pm (NoHost/31.123.237.241)
Fulham will complete the season loan signings of two academy youngsters next week
Rafael Paez - Liverpool
Devonte Redmond - Man Utd
DSTM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 14, 2015, 10:03:39 PM
Loan signings -- Luke, Friday, August 14, 07:01:41pm (NoHost/31.123.237.241)
Fulham will complete the season loan signings of two academy youngsters next week
Rafael Paez - Liverpool
Devonte Redmond - Man Utd
DSTM
Apparently Paez signed for a Spanish club last week.
U21's was a decent game against a much stronger, older and better Arsenal team.
Could have been a much heaver defeat if it had not been for Joronen.
Forget all the talk about Cole playing for first team. Has pace but little else to offer at the moment.
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Quote from: MJG on August 14, 2015, 10:40:25 PM
U21's was a decent game against a much stronger, older and better Arsenal team.
Could have been a much heaver defeat if it had not been for Joronen.
Forget all the talk about Cole playing for first team. Has pace but little else to offer at the moment.
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From what I have read Joronen sounds like an excellent keeper in training. Hope he continues to develop and has a long career with FFC.
Quote from: SKSW6 on August 14, 2015, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 14, 2015, 10:03:39 PM
Loan signings -- Luke, Friday, August 14, 07:01:41pm (NoHost/31.123.237.241)
Fulham will complete the season loan signings of two academy youngsters next week
Rafael Paez - Liverpool
Devonte Redmond - Man Utd
DSTM
Apparently Paez signed for a Spanish club last week.
Hmm, what an odd rumour to make up by that poster.
Buffonge impressing on his Utd debut.
Doron Salomon @DoronSalomon 11m11 minutes ago
U18s take the lead against Everton. From 20 yards out, Gribbin plants a free kick in the top corner, class. Buffonge very good so far
Quote from: MJG on August 14, 2015, 10:40:25 PM
U21's was a decent game against a much stronger, older and better Arsenal team.
Could have been a much heaver defeat if it had not been for Joronen.
Forget all the talk about Cole playing for first team. Has pace but little else to offer at the moment.
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. Average ages of last night's Arsenal vs Fulham U21 match
Arsenal. 17.9
Fulham. 19.2
So Arsenal Had a younger team
Quote from: love4ffc on August 15, 2015, 03:53:25 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 14, 2015, 10:40:25 PM
U21's was a decent game against a much stronger, older and better Arsenal team.
Could have been a much heaver defeat if it had not been for Joronen.
Forget all the talk about Cole playing for first team. Has pace but little else to offer at the moment.
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From what I have read Joronen sounds like an excellent keeper in training. Hope he continues to develop and has a long career with FFC.
Yes indeed.
At the age of 22 he has already had an interesting roller-coaster career in miniature: PL bench, Full International cap, First choice for FFC, played for Accrington Stanley, suffered career-threatening injury.
Steady progress from now on please, Jesse!
Quote from: Robertw on August 15, 2015, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 14, 2015, 10:40:25 PM
U21's was a decent game against a much stronger, older and better Arsenal team.
Could have been a much heaver defeat if it had not been for Joronen.
Forget all the talk about Cole playing for first team. Has pace but little else to offer at the moment.
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. Average ages of last night's Arsenal vs Fulham U21 match
Arsenal. 17.9
Fulham. 19.2
So Arsenal Had a younger team
Blimey they must be on some kind of diet. They looked so much bigger and older than our lads. Really surprised by that.
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But then we played a couple of players who have not been in the u21's recently, Jesse and Emo so yep about right.
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Marco Weymans, who I think played for the u21's against Arsenal is joining Atlanta.
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news-cat/atalanta-da-domani-in-prova-il-giovane-talento-weymans/ (http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news-cat/atalanta-da-domani-in-prova-il-giovane-talento-weymans/)
Bettinelli tied down to 4 year deal
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 16, 2015, 10:59:21 PM
Marco Weymans, who I think played for the u21's against Arsenal is joining Atlanta.
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news-cat/atalanta-da-domani-in-prova-il-giovane-talento-weymans/ (http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news-cat/atalanta-da-domani-in-prova-il-giovane-talento-weymans/)
Bettinelli tied down to 4 year deal
Seen him a couple of times now and played on Friday at Arsenal. Didn't do a lot but was a difficult game given his position sort of wide cm of three.
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Chris David has signed for Go Ahead Eagles in the Dutch League
Quote from: @jolslover on August 16, 2015, 11:09:58 PM
Chris David has signed for Go Ahead Eagles in the Dutch League
Nice find. David is an odd one. My step-father was at the away cup game against Brentford last season and he said that Daivd and McCormack had a good rapport.
Maybe attitude issues have held him back?
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 16, 2015, 11:20:14 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on August 16, 2015, 11:09:58 PM
Chris David has signed for Go Ahead Eagles in the Dutch League
Nice find. David is an odd one. My step-father was at the away cup game against Brentford last season and he said that Daivd and McCormack had a good rapport.
Maybe attitude issues have held him back?
Agree it seems attitude problems were at fault. I loved him tho, Great little player
Sol Sambou's agent seems to have let him down, still without a club as far as I can tell.
I liked him. Always thought he was a defensive mid, certainly was at the Dallas Cup under Wigley, but he played well in a more advanced role against Liverpool in the u21's last season.
The club seems to have moved on but I wonder if we could find a role for him in the u21's. Probably better to give other youngsters a chance though.
On a side note, Josh Passley's Dagenham have a goal difference of minus 5 from their first two league games and 0 points. Seems like they are a poor team. I would love if Rene Meulensteen was a coach for us but not the manager, if that makes sense. I think some of the sessions would work wonders for our youngsters.
Does anyone know how much it costs to produce a player from an academy? Saw an article a few years ago but I cannot seem to find it.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 18, 2015, 04:16:08 PM
Does anyone know how much it costs to produce a player from an academy? Saw an article a few years ago but I cannot seem to find it.
Well the cost of an Grade one academy is £1.5-2m a year if that helps.
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Kit said that he wouldn't play anyone who doesn't want to be here. Could Dembele be close to signing a new contract? Been involved in all match squads and got in ahead of Woodrow tonight.
That would be good news.
Could be Kit sees something in Dembele' and not Hyndman. So with that Kit may be praying and hoping that if he plays Dembele' that he'll sign a new contract.
Jordan Evans in Wales u21 squad
Aron Davies in Wales u19 squad
Ryan Sessegnon featured in two recent England u16 matches v USA (both drawn) scoring in the second.
This is the programme for the u21's. http://www.fulhamfc.com/-/media/Retail/Programmes_15_16/U21_Programmes/Wolves/FFC-001-Wolves.pdf (http://www.fulhamfc.com/-/media/Retail/Programmes_15_16/U21_Programmes/Wolves/FFC-001-Wolves.pdf)
Plumain not even listed. End of his career at Fulham? Weymans and Pino listed but not in squad. Weymans has apparently gone to Atalanta.
The u21's got hammered 3-0 by Wolves. Very disappointing result. Cole, Taggart, Hyndman, Burgess all played so it was a strong enough team.
As for Hyndman...well Kit has said that Emerson's head has been turned. Club has been unfortunate, I thought Hyndman advisors were smarter than that. Although on the flip side, Tunnicliffe and Parker (when he is back) will always get in the squad ahead of him. Very disappointing. Should we even bother playing him in the u21's? Just taking up a place of someone who wants to play and improve.
On a different note...
Doron Salomon @DoronSalomon (United fan) 2h2 hours ago
Trialist, DJ Buffonge, wearing bright orange boots tonight for United... club have a black boots only policy for U18 players #irrelevantinfo
Go0d 2 - 1 win
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/home/swansea-city (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/home/swansea-city)
Maybe Weymans has done a u-turn?
Marco Weymans @xMardinho 16h16 hours ago
Don't judge my choices, without understanding my Reasons
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 21, 2015, 09:16:03 PM
This is the programme for the u21's. http://www.fulhamfc.com/-/media/Retail/Programmes_15_16/U21_Programmes/Wolves/FFC-001-Wolves.pdf (http://www.fulhamfc.com/-/media/Retail/Programmes_15_16/U21_Programmes/Wolves/FFC-001-Wolves.pdf)
Plumain not even listed. End of his career at Fulham? Weymans and Pino listed but not in squad. Weymans has apparently gone to Atalanta.
The u21's got hammered 3-0 by Wolves. Very disappointing result. Cole, Taggart, Hyndman, Burgess all played so it was a strong enough team.
As for Hyndman...well Kit has said that Emerson's head has been turned. Club has been unfortunate, I thought Hyndman advisors were smarter than that. Although on the flip side, Tunnicliffe and Parker (when he is back) will always get in the squad ahead of him. Very disappointing. Should we even bother playing him in the u21's? Just taking up a place of someone who wants to play and improve.
Kit sounds just like the German, I don't give a poo if he's head been turned play him and he might just stay even if he doesnt we night have more then 2 points you fool. I might go into work tomorrow and say "boss I know im one of your best employees but i don't want to be here so are you going to send me home on full wages until i get myself another job?" Do you think he will say ok that's fine let me know when that happens or would he say " why do you want to leave? What will it take to make you stay? well I can't pay you an extra 30k a year that you want but in the mean time I expect you to work just as hard as you always have as you never know what might be round the corner and hey you will need to prove to any company that's interested in you that you can cut the mustard your performance drops and they might not come knocking.
Donnelly sent off
"Elsewhere in the division, Crawley Town secured an impressive 3-0 win at Cambridge United, although Liam Donnelly was sent off with nine minutes remaining after picking up a second yellow card."
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/24/loan-round-up (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/24/loan-round-up)
Quote from: Nero on August 23, 2015, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 21, 2015, 09:16:03 PM
This is the programme for the u21's. http://www.fulhamfc.com/-/media/Retail/Programmes_15_16/U21_Programmes/Wolves/FFC-001-Wolves.pdf (http://www.fulhamfc.com/-/media/Retail/Programmes_15_16/U21_Programmes/Wolves/FFC-001-Wolves.pdf)
Plumain not even listed. End of his career at Fulham? Weymans and Pino listed but not in squad. Weymans has apparently gone to Atalanta.
The u21's got hammered 3-0 by Wolves. Very disappointing result. Cole, Taggart, Hyndman, Burgess all played so it was a strong enough team.
As for Hyndman...well Kit has said that Emerson's head has been turned. Club has been unfortunate, I thought Hyndman advisors were smarter than that. Although on the flip side, Tunnicliffe and Parker (when he is back) will always get in the squad ahead of him. Very disappointing. Should we even bother playing him in the u21's? Just taking up a place of someone who wants to play and improve.
Kit sounds just like the German, I don't give a poo if he's head been turned play him and he might just stay even if he doesnt we night have more then 2 points you fool. I might go into work tomorrow and say "boss I know im one of your best employees but i don't want to be here so are you going to send me home on full wages until i get myself another job?" Do you think he will say ok that's fine let me know when that happens or would he say " why do you want to leave? What will it take to make you stay? well I can't pay you an extra 30k a year that you want but in the mean time I expect you to work just as hard as you always have as you never know what might be round the corner and hey you will need to prove to any company that's interested in you that you can cut the mustard your performance drops and they might not come knocking.
Spot on. Holding Hyndman to ransom saying, 'fine if you don't sign you won't play', will not entice him to sign a new contract at all! It is bizarre how the plodder Tunnicliffe gets a bench space ahead of Emerson. Likewise if we throw Hyndman 20k a year contract, when we sell him we would recoup that and more.
Safe to assume that Dembele will sign a new contract?
Foday Nabay is already living a stereotypical footballer's life. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/461237/Carla-Howe-playboy-nightclub-footballer-Foday-Nabay (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/461237/Carla-Howe-playboy-nightclub-footballer-Foday-Nabay)
Thank you so much for this thread Mike/Cork and Southfield. So informative and when you guys talk I listen. Gives me hope that we have a crop of youth that may potentially be the real deal some day.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 25, 2015, 11:40:14 PM
Foday Nabay is already living a stereotypical footballer's life. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/461237/Carla-Howe-playboy-nightclub-footballer-Foday-Nabay (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/461237/Carla-Howe-playboy-nightclub-footballer-Foday-Nabay)
Good to see our youngsters can show their seniors a thing or two about post-match relaxation. Immaculately attired in the club colours and not a burger in sight.
The young(-ish) lady concerned might be thought to be something of a cradle-snatcher, but her past acquaintances seem to have included Evra, Shaw and Wilshere and she has also punched Ashley Cole. Someone with that sort of eye for talent should be on our scouting staff.
Robert Wood @robertW1948 5h5 hours ago
Fulham duo Adam Taggart and Cameron Burgess called up to Aussie U23 squad
http://rio2016.olympics.com.au/news/Strong-Olyroos-squad-named-for-Olympic-qualifier-warm-ups (http://rio2016.olympics.com.au/news/Strong-Olyroos-squad-named-for-Olympic-qualifier-warm-ups)
Quote from: The Rock on August 26, 2015, 12:05:15 AM
Thank you so much for this thread Mike/Cork and Southfield. So informative and when you guys talk I listen. Gives me hope that we have a crop of youth that may potentially be the real deal some day.
Cheers but I only post news/gossip. If you want proper reports on how our youngsters are doing then I would recommend following MJG, Robert Wood on twitter and looking out for Spigs and Southfield White on The Fulham Independent. Very informative posters.
Quote from: cmg on August 26, 2015, 07:32:54 AM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 25, 2015, 11:40:14 PM
Foday Nabay is already living a stereotypical footballer's life. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/461237/Carla-Howe-playboy-nightclub-footballer-Foday-Nabay (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/461237/Carla-Howe-playboy-nightclub-footballer-Foday-Nabay)
Good to see our youngsters can show their seniors a thing or two about post-match relaxation. Immaculately attired in the club colours and not a burger in sight.
The young(-ish) lady concerned might be thought to be something of a cradle-snatcher, but her past acquaintances seem to have included Evra, Shaw and Wilshere and she has also punched Ashley Cole. Someone with that sort of eye for talent should be on our scouting staff.
Brilliant! Certainly a unique take on things :005:
Ange Freddy Plumain is still looking for a move apparently. Loan or permanent. At the start of August he was on trial with Red Star, who are in the French second division. Our old boy, Hameur Bouazza, plays with them so seemingly his collarbones are intact.
Casasola and Plumain are the only ones without updated profiles on the u21 section
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/player-profiles (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/player-profiles)
It was reported by Fulham Vital (I think) that we were after Demarai Gray at the start of the summer as a replacement for Roberts. He is going to Leicester it appears, shame.
Hyndman has removed Fulham from his bio on twitter and instagram.
Hyndman has gone, completely our own fault.
Quote from: Chutney on August 26, 2015, 08:55:27 PM
Hyndman has gone, completely our own fault.
Wonder if the club will sell him before the window shuts or keep him and hope he signs later on in the year?
Quote from: Chutney on August 26, 2015, 08:55:27 PM
Hyndman has gone, completely our own fault.
I don't see it that way. He plays in a key position and the club has every right to field experienced and more mature players in that position in an effort to improve our status. I like Hyndman's game and tenacity, and I'm sure he'll do well wherever he goes, but his leaving should not reflect badly on our club. It's just a young player making a move that is in his best interests.
Quote from: HatterDon on August 26, 2015, 11:14:40 PM
Quote from: Chutney on August 26, 2015, 08:55:27 PM
Hyndman has gone, completely our own fault.
I don't see it that way. He plays in a key position and the club has every right to field experienced and more mature players in that position in an effort to improve our status. I like Hyndman's game and tenacity, and I'm sure he'll do well wherever he goes, but his leaving should not reflect badly on our club. It's just a young player making a move that is in his best interests.
Exactly.
I have had high hopes for Hyndman since I first saw him. Unfortunately since being given a, perhaps premature, opportunity he has been unable, at his present stage of development, to demand by his playing performance a permanent slot among this group of players playing in this particular way. He may well be able to do better elsewhere. He will almost certainly be able to secure a more remunerative deal. It should be clear that a manager cannot afford to 'give away' a first team spot just to keep a promising player happy.
The Hyndman situation is a lot like the Roberts one but with a couple of naughts lopped off the end.
if any player doesn't want to be here get rid.
Casasola contract terminated and gone to Roma. Obviously a talented player. Why we cancelled his contract and didn't say to Roma, you can have him for free but we want 10% sell on fee, I don't know. Very odd deal. Roma have pulled our pants down several times now, in the Europa league and with Stekelenberg and Riise.
Dembele retweeting loads of tweets about him signing a new deal. Doesn't mean much however as it is reported we have today rejected bids from Genoa and Feyenoord. It looks like his future is in his agents hands!
Hyndman looks like leaving. Rumour on TFI today that Klinsmann has told him to find a German team and that he can help Emerson find one. Conflict of interest there from Klinsman, no?
No youth games on at the weekend so not much to report. Hopefully we tie up a couple of under 21 and under 18 signings.
13:43 Fulham's asking price puts off interested parties for Moussa Dembélé - sources
According to sources contacted exclusively by Get French Football News, Fulham's young striker Moussa Dembélé will not be leaving the club during this window.
This is in no large part down to Fulham's asking price for the player: €5m plus €1m in bonuses (per every 10 appearances).
Several sides submitted offers for the player this summer, but came nowhere near Fulham's valuation.
The Club can confirm that Ange-Freddy Plumain has joined Red Star on loan for the duration of the 2015/16 season.
We wish the forward luck during his time with the Parisian outfit.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/31/plumains-loan-deal (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/31/plumains-loan-deal)
Wonder if we will ever see him in a Fulham jersey again. Good luck.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on August 31, 2015, 03:44:06 PM
The Club can confirm that Ange-Freddy Plumain has joined Red Star on loan for the duration of the 2015/16 season.
We wish the forward luck during his time with the Parisian outfit.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/31/plumains-loan-deal (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/august/31/plumains-loan-deal)
Wonder if we will ever see him in a Fulham jersey again. Good luck.
Quite an interesting move.
Red Star (no idea why the English name), a Lg 2 outfit, have a reputation for developing young talent.
Sources: Emerson Hyndman to stay at Fulham
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/united-states/2015/08/31/14927412/sources-emerson-hyndman-to-stay-at-fulham?ICID=HP_BN_1 (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/united-states/2015/08/31/14927412/sources-emerson-hyndman-to-stay-at-fulham?ICID=HP_BN_1)
Title is misleading, it implies he is signing a new contract.
If this is true then I would like to know why? Kit doesn't seem rate Hyndman and does not seem to have any plans on playing him in the first team. If the statement is true then why not sell Hyndman. Get some cash for him and get him off the books.
If he is just keeping Hyndman to punish him for wanting to leave then that's just cruel. Hyndman deserves to play be it for us or someone else. If he is to stay then I would hope that Kit starts to actually use him as I see Hyndman being a great young player that deserves to be in the starting XI. If we are not going to play him then at least we should loan him out so that he continues to develop.
I am not a Brendan Rodgers fan per say, and I am definitely not a Liverpool fan. I do however admire his desire to play youth and give them a shot. I wish more managers (especially Kit) would do this.
Folks complain that the youth are not being developed and that national teams are not good enough anymore. Well at least Rodgers is giving them all a chance to prove themselves and to continue their development.
Read his story about why he tries to give youth (especially English youth) a chance to prove themselves.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3023249/Brendan-Rodgers-reveals-heartache-youth-player-given-Liverpool-boss-tools-nurture-likes-Raheem-Sterling.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3023249/Brendan-Rodgers-reveals-heartache-youth-player-given-Liverpool-boss-tools-nurture-likes-Raheem-Sterling.html)
Quote from: love4ffc on September 01, 2015, 12:04:14 AM
If this is true then I would like to know why? Kit doesn't seem rate Hyndman and does not seem to have any plans on playing him in the first team. If the statement is true then why not sell Hyndman. Get some cash for him and get him off the books.
If he is just keeping Hyndman to punish him for wanting to leave then that's just cruel. Hyndman deserves to play be it for us or someone else. If he is to stay then I would hope that Kit starts to actually use him as I see Hyndman being a great young player that deserves to be in the starting XI. If we are not going to play him then at least we should loan him out so that he continues to develop.
Why all this whining?
First of all it most likely will not be true as is the case with most reports.
Whether he goes or not will not be down to just Kit. Riggs and Mackintosh will want to cash in if Hyndman will not sign a new contract. Why insinuate that Kit wants to punish him?
I doubt that the clubs mentioned would satisfy Hyndman quite reasonably (have you heard of either of the clubs mentioned?) so maybe Hyndman has turned the moves down. Then why should the club accept if the offers don't meet their valuation.
At his age I think that he can still go out on a youth loan.
And, who knows, maybe he will get his chance in the team in a few weeks as Dembele has.
Quote from: love4ffc on September 01, 2015, 12:14:45 AM
I am not a Brendan Rodgers fan per say, and I am definitely not a Liverpool fan. I do however admire his desire to play youth and give them a shot. I wish more managers (especially Kit) would do this.
Folks complain that the youth are not being developed and that national teams are not good enough anymore. Well at least Rodgers is giving them all a chance to prove themselves and to continue their development.
Read his story about why he tries to give youth (especially English youth) a chance to prove themselves.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3023249/Brendan-Rodgers-reveals-heartache-youth-player-given-Liverpool-boss-tools-nurture-likes-Raheem-Sterling.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3023249/Brendan-Rodgers-reveals-heartache-youth-player-given-Liverpool-boss-tools-nurture-likes-Raheem-Sterling.html)
Yes, posters complain on here a lot but forget that Kit has been playing (subject to injuries) and developing:
Bettinelli
Joronen
Grimmer
Burn
Burgess
Williams
Christensen
Kavanagh
Woodrow
Dembele
That's nearly a team.
Refresh your view by looking at Liverpool's squad https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C.) to see how well Rogers is (or any of the top clubs are) doing bringing through youth.
I think it's a little unfair to suggest that Kit Symons doesn't give opportunities to youngsters. Lasse Vigen Christensen really blossomed under him, Cauley Woodrow got plenty of game time as did Sean Kavanagh (both to the dismay of many). Marcus Bettinelli was given the number one shirt, and as we speak at this moment, Moussa Dembele is his first choice to lead the line alongside Ross McCormack. Jack Grimmer made his Fulham debut under Kit Symons and was involved fairly regularly. In the preseason friendlies, Emerson Hyndman was used with Cameron Burgess.
Emerson played 7 times under Kit Symons before going away to the U20 World Cup, where a collarbone injury ended his season.
Obviously there was a drama about Patrick Roberts, and I think he could have played more but it was more in a protective manner than a malicious one. He started games under the German and had little-to-no affect on matches.
Quick question for those that think Emerson Hyndman should "play more," how do you fit him in? Jamie O'Hara is the Ross McCormack of our central midfield - Ryan Tunnicliffe has done well since returning, and you've got to think that Lasse Vigen Christensen still has stock over Hyndman. Sure, Kit could have played Emerson in the cup games, but we lose - it's Kit who gets the stick.
It's an awful balance for a manager, Kit Symons knows that top 6 isn't just an aim, but almost a must - and he will, more likely than not, lose his job should he fail at that task. It's easy to forget that Hyndman is only 19. He's definitely in the mid-long term plans, as a fantastic talent he will be in the long term plan for every club in the world.
I couldn't justify playing him, especially if he doesn't see his own future here.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on September 01, 2015, 12:25:56 AM
Quote from: love4ffc on September 01, 2015, 12:04:14 AM
If this is true then I would like to know why? Kit doesn't seem rate Hyndman and does not seem to have any plans on playing him in the first team. If the statement is true then why not sell Hyndman. Get some cash for him and get him off the books.
If he is just keeping Hyndman to punish him for wanting to leave then that's just cruel. Hyndman deserves to play be it for us or someone else. If he is to stay then I would hope that Kit starts to actually use him as I see Hyndman being a great young player that deserves to be in the starting XI. If we are not going to play him then at least we should loan him out so that he continues to develop.
Why all this whining?
First of all it most likely will not be true as is the case with most reports.
Whether he goes or not will not be down to just Kit. Riggs and Mackintosh will want to cash in if Hyndman will not sign a new contract. Why insinuate that Kit wants to punish him?
I doubt that the clubs mentioned would satisfy Hyndman quite reasonably (have you heard of either of the clubs mentioned?) so maybe Hyndman has turned the moves down. Then why should the club accept if the offers don't meet their valuation.
At his age I think that he can still go out on a youth loan.
And, who knows, maybe he will get his chance in the team in a few weeks as Dembele has.
Not whining, nor em' I insinuating that Kit is punishing him. Simple asking a question that if this scenario is true, I would like to have answered.
I have heard of nether the Spanish or Dutch club. If however we are not going to play him, and he's not even going to be on the bench, then sell him. Or at least loan him out to them.
While I do not know if he true wants to leave, but assuming he does, then let him go. Does no one any good to have an unhappy player hanging about.
Oh, and I'm not saying sell him for nothing either. I just saying sell him at a good rate and let him go.
Note - with all of the above said I still hold out hope that Kit will find him a place in the first team, or that Hyndman and the club will come to an understanding and that he will go out on loan to continue his development.
Quote from: love4ffc on September 01, 2015, 12:42:19 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on September 01, 2015, 12:25:56 AM
Quote from: love4ffc on September 01, 2015, 12:04:14 AM
If this is true then I would like to know why? Kit doesn't seem rate Hyndman and does not seem to have any plans on playing him in the first team. If the statement is true then why not sell Hyndman. Get some cash for him and get him off the books.
If he is just keeping Hyndman to punish him for wanting to leave then that's just cruel. Hyndman deserves to play be it for us or someone else. If he is to stay then I would hope that Kit starts to actually use him as I see Hyndman being a great young player that deserves to be in the starting XI. If we are not going to play him then at least we should loan him out so that he continues to develop.
Why all this whining?
First of all it most likely will not be true as is the case with most reports.
Whether he goes or not will not be down to just Kit. Riggs and Mackintosh will want to cash in if Hyndman will not sign a new contract. Why insinuate that Kit wants to punish him?
I doubt that the clubs mentioned would satisfy Hyndman quite reasonably (have you heard of either of the clubs mentioned?) so maybe Hyndman has turned the moves down. Then why should the club accept if the offers don't meet their valuation.
At his age I think that he can still go out on a youth loan.
And, who knows, maybe he will get his chance in the team in a few weeks as Dembele has.
Not whining, nor em' I insinuating that Kit is punishing him. Simple asking a question that if this scenario is true, I would like to have answered.
I have heard of nether the Spanish or Dutch club. If however we are not going to play him, and he's not even going to be on the bench, then sell him. Or at least loan him out to them.
While I do not know if he true wants to leave, but assuming he does, then let him go. Does no one any good to have an unhappy player hanging about.
Oh, and I'm not saying sell him for nothing either. I just saying sell him at a good rate and let him go.
Note - with all of the above said I still hold out hope that Kit will find him a place in the first team, or that Hyndman and the club will come to an understanding and that he will go out on loan to continue his development.
I echo your sentiment. I do feel that what we see tells us a lot. We have played moussa. Does that mean he was convincible where Emerson wasn't? Does that mean since smith's injury Kit needed him to save his job? Who knows? We haven't seen Emerson at all. Either Kit doesn't see him as saving his job or he isn't ready.
My main point is that with the midfield we gave Emerson isn't required. He should IMO have played a big role against Sheffield Utd. If I was a player of his ilk playing under Ohara, Parker, and tunnicliff I would have a great education. He is wasted on our bench but if I could learn from three players I think I would be hard pressed to find a better three. Ohara's class, Parker's clas and knowledge, and tunnicliff's commitment and all round game. If you can't play better than them why do you deserve a move?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on September 01, 2015, 12:36:00 AM
Quote from: love4ffc on September 01, 2015, 12:14:45 AM
I am not a Brendan Rodgers fan per say, and I am definitely not a Liverpool fan. I do however admire his desire to play youth and give them a shot. I wish more managers (especially Kit) would do this.
Folks complain that the youth are not being developed and that national teams are not good enough anymore. Well at least Rodgers is giving them all a chance to prove themselves and to continue their development.
Read his story about why he tries to give youth (especially English youth) a chance to prove themselves.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3023249/Brendan-Rodgers-reveals-heartache-youth-player-given-Liverpool-boss-tools-nurture-likes-Raheem-Sterling.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3023249/Brendan-Rodgers-reveals-heartache-youth-player-given-Liverpool-boss-tools-nurture-likes-Raheem-Sterling.html)
Yes, posters complain on here a lot but forget that Kit has been playing (subject to injuries) and developing:
Bettinelli
Joronen
Grimmer
Burn
Burgess
Williams
Christensen
Kavanagh
Woodrow
Dembele
That's nearly a team.
Refresh your view by looking at Liverpool's squad https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C.) to see how well Rogers is (or any of the top clubs are) doing bringing through youth.
Sorry wanted to reply to these post earlier but got side tracked.
The players listed above, with the exception of Betts, Kava and LVC, have not really seen steady first team action. Instead they either go out on loan (not a bad thing as at least they are playing) or they ride the pine. Those who stayed last season and only got a few rare appearances or starts I would not considering as really being developed. Unless we consider shinning the pine with ones rump being as development.
Quote from: love4ffc on September 01, 2015, 04:06:49 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on September 01, 2015, 12:36:00 AM
Quote from: love4ffc on September 01, 2015, 12:14:45 AM
I am not a Brendan Rodgers fan per say, and I am definitely not a Liverpool fan. I do however admire his desire to play youth and give them a shot. I wish more managers (especially Kit) would do this.
Folks complain that the youth are not being developed and that national teams are not good enough anymore. Well at least Rodgers is giving them all a chance to prove themselves and to continue their development.
Read his story about why he tries to give youth (especially English youth) a chance to prove themselves.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3023249/Brendan-Rodgers-reveals-heartache-youth-player-given-Liverpool-boss-tools-nurture-likes-Raheem-Sterling.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3023249/Brendan-Rodgers-reveals-heartache-youth-player-given-Liverpool-boss-tools-nurture-likes-Raheem-Sterling.html)
Yes, posters complain on here a lot but forget that Kit has been playing (subject to injuries) and developing:
Bettinelli
Joronen
Grimmer
Burn
Burgess
Williams
Christensen
Kavanagh
Woodrow
Dembele
That's nearly a team.
Refresh your view by looking at Liverpool's squad https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C.) to see how well Rogers is (or any of the top clubs are) doing bringing through youth.
Sorry wanted to reply to these post earlier but got side tracked.
The players listed above, with the exception of Betts, Kava and LVC, have not really seen steady first team action. Instead they either go out on loan (not a bad thing as at least they are playing) or they ride the pine. Those who stayed last season and only got a few rare appearances or starts I would not considering as really being developed. Unless we consider shinning the pine with ones rump being as development.
Burn not really seen steady first team action?
Woodrow not really seen steady first team action?
Dembele not now seeing steady first team action?
Even Kavanagh has had a decent number of games.
And Kit continues to give them more opportunities than many on here think they deserve hence the rumours about the potential signings of centre backs and forwards.
Kit has to select a side to win matches and to try to get us promoted. All the above players are in the mix. It is up to them now to earn that regular first team place.
Methinks you protest too much. How many other PL or Championship sides have brought through so many players from their youth side?
You highlighted Brendan Rogers and Liverpool. Did you check the number of their youth players in their squad now they have lost Sterling? Does Ibe even get to 'sit on the pine'?
If you want Hyndman to continue his development why not try persuading him to sign a new contract or an MLS club to pay our asking price.
Some time ago, when we were still, just about, a PL side, I expressed the opinion that I could not see a future Fulham midfield without at least one of Hyndman, David or LVC.
Well, one (almost) right out of three ain't bad for me.
Of the three Hyndman was the one of whom I had the highest hopes. He may still reach exhalted heights, but, whenever he has been given the chance he has yet to show the level of ability which demands a regular place. He had 11 starts last season incl. LgCup before his unfortunate injury, but had not established a spot in what was a pretty pedestrian midfield. This year the midfield competition is much fiercer and there are not many who would prefer him to O'Hara et al.
A suitable loan would appear to be an ideal solution for all concerned but, as with Roberts, it makes no sense to give him a spot that his play does not, at present, warrant just to keep him happy. If it means we lose him, so be it. That's life in the big city.
Because of the distorted values of the English game he is worth only a fraction of a Roberts, however this might mean that there is less financial inducement for him to leave.
I agree cmg, I don't see how anyone could think he deserves a place in the first team at the moment. We're currently having to play Cairney, probably our most talented midfielder out wide as we're so overloaded with central midfielders. You cant drop O'Hara, and I cant see Hyndman playing ahead of LVC, Tunnicliffe and even Parker. Matilla may also be ahead of him, but I've not seen enough of him. At the end of the day, Hyndman should be on loan at a league 1 club to get some game time, but he seems to want a big move somewhere where he's unlikely to play. That is the story with many young players these days.
I'm surprised he wasn't moved on yesterday. We seemed destined to lose him for nothing at the end of the season. It has been disappointing losing a lot of our best young players for basically nothing, bar Roberts
Ian Pino Soler has also joined the U21's.
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Ian Pino Soler has also joined the U21's.
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Do you know anything about whether Weymans joined?
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Ian Pino Soler has also joined the U21's.
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Do you know anything about whether Weymans joined?
No he wasn't kept and not sure exactly where he's ended up.
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The under 21's have been updated with the Soler picture (1 year contract) - http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/player-profiles (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/player-profiles)
The under 18's have lots of new faces - http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/player-profiles (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/player-profiles)
Dembele has been retweeting loads, asking him to sign a new contract etc. A sign?
Odd that the club would allow Hyndman to train with other clubs when he is still contracted with us. Should the club even bother playing him in the under 21's?
Larnell Cole in line for Shrewsbury debut - http://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2015/09/03/larnell-cole-in-line-for-his-town-debut/? (http://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2015/09/03/larnell-cole-in-line-for-his-town-debut/?)
Good to see the profiles updated - though not much, it's nice to learn a little more about the new foreign boys like Thor and Jens.
We now see the start of the U16 revolution if you will, an excellent crop of players are on their way.
Oh and another point - a nice story I found whilst researching about Mike Rigg.
Whilst at Manchester City, he and his team were scouting Marcos Lopes and revealing a lot about his procedures, they already had 15-20 reports on him with different people watching him to they could bounce information off one another. Anyway, in this match watching Lopes, the first time Rigg had seen the player his scouts had been watching live - Lopes was appalling in an appalling game of football and Mike Rigg turned to his right hand man, Gary Worthington and claimed there's no way that City are going to sign this kid. It took Worthington to bring Rigg back to reality and to reaffirm that what City was doing was right.
Eventually, Lopes was signed for £500k (this back in 2011). In this most recent transfer window, Manchester City sold the same Marcos Lopes to Monaco for £9m.
Now, that story may not reflect well on Rigg, but I think it's important to note the team input and building an infrastructure around him where he is not God almighty, but the manager of a team that can contest him, can discuss things and can make the running of a football club a lot sooner.
I don't know why I didn't use that story in my post (on another page on the forum if you haven't seen it), but the fact the circle has ended and that 15 year old went on to make City a profit of £8.5m on his investment feels more relevant here.
U18s beat Spurs 3-0 today, goals from Josh Walker, Thor and Stevie Humphrys - Walker missed a penalty at 1-0.
Not bad considering no De La Torre, Edun, Davies, Elworthy, Paton or Kait - plus a few playing a bit for the first team against Crawley in a behind closed doors friendly.
We had Marco Weymans on trial here. He was then set to sign for Atalanta but has since signed for Cardiff from PSV on a 3 year deal. Wonder if the club refused to shell out money on him?
Great win for the u18's and very intresting post above FPT!
Always nice to see our youngsters gaining International recognition, but it is a little concerning to see that Tayo Edun was sent off for a 'dangerous tackle' in the u18 match v Netherlands.
This is, I think, the second time Tayo has been red-carded while playing for England. I don't know the full circumstances, but I would say that getting sent off in a friendly is not likely to make friends and influence people in the International set-up. Enthusiasm is one thing, recklessness quite another.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/september/10/magnus-new-deal? (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/september/10/magnus-new-deal?)
We seem to have many talented keepers. Kudos to our coaching team.
Very interesting read on Man Utd's youth academy compared to City's. Utd have only part-time coaches whilst Cities are full time and they get to spend more time coaching their players.
http://www.espnfc.com/club/manchester-united/360/blog/post/2600341/manchester-united-rebuild-comes-at-cost-of-youth-development (http://www.espnfc.com/club/manchester-united/360/blog/post/2600341/manchester-united-rebuild-comes-at-cost-of-youth-development)
Anyone know what system Fulham have?
Hope to see Mousse start on Sunday
The New Zealand coach, Anthony Hudson, son of Alan Hudson, has recently taken over the national team, and after 5 winless international games in 13 months, is now being criticised by "the experts" for playing too many players, 34 in fact, of whom the majority are young/inexperienced players. To me it seems a good strategy as it enables him to look at the available talent before picking a settled squad when we get closer to WC qualifying. But we all know how that works out sometimes! He worked under 'Arry at Spurs and impressed him, labelling him the "young Jose M", (according to Wikipedia that is), so not sure if that worked in his favour or not. Sometimes you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
Fulham midfielder Dennis Adeniran has been named in the England Under-17 squad for their upcoming UEFA European Under-17s Championship qualifiers. Always good to see Fulham involvement at international level!
The u21's face Rovers tomorrow and the u18's had a disappointing result against Southampton last week despite dominating the play.
There is a bit of traction going on us renewing Dembele's deal. Let's hope he does. Him and Ross look like a very good partnership. Dembele should great awareness for Ross's goal last week and also put a lovely ball through for Ross in the first half.
No news on a contract for Emo so it looks like he will definitely be off. Maybe we will see him against Stoke in the league cup,though?
U21 Table
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U18 Table
(http://i62.tinypic.com/21azkmu.jpg)
Really impressed with the club for this. It is simple and not that important but they have updated the profile of the staff.
Here is the Academy and if you click on the staff member, there is a little Q&A bit done. http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/academy/academy-staff (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/academy/academy-staff)
The u21's. http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/under-21-staff (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/under-21-staff)
And first team - http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/staff (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/staff)
I like that they have updated the coaching staff bio. Good to see who is who and what they in charge of. Hope the academy continues to grow and be a vital part of the club for it's future.
3-0 win for the U21's at MP tonight against Blackburn.
An OG followed by De La Torre and Kait all in the second half.
Was quite an open game but Fulham played much the better football with more quality throughout. Easily the best team performance of the season from them.
George Williams played the first half up front. Showed a good turn of pace and movement. Subbed at HT as we are slowly building up his fitness.
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2lwq5fm.jpg)
As you may have seen on Twitter, I love how every one of our U21 goals have come from "U18s."
Josh Walker with two; Stephen Humprhys, Mattias Kait and Luca De La Torre with others - and Tayo Edun being involved with an own goal. Ryheem Sheckleford created the De La Torre goal tonight it seems. Every single one still eligible for U18 football.
I really enjoyed tonight's match with good performances all-round. Very impressed with Edun and Walker in the second half. Hyndman controlled the midfield surely he should be included in the first team squad soon. Good to see George Williams back playing. He put in a very active 45 minutes against some very resolute Blackburn defenders.
It's all very encouraging, thanks for the update.
Fine win for u18s 2-1 v Arsenal
Goals: Adeniran, Humphreys
Up to seniors now to make it 3 out of 3 for the weekend
Quote from: cmg on September 19, 2015, 12:58:52 PM
Fine win for u18s 2-1 v Arsenal
Goals: Adeniran, Humphreys
Up to seniors now to make it 3 out of 3 for the weekend
That's a great result. Promising for the future ;)
Congrats to the U16s who are through to premier league finals; to be held in Liverpool 049:gif
U18's are on a disappointing run of form.
Club expect the next 2 weeks to be vital in Dembele negotiations. They were confident at one stage although apparently now not so sure.
I think that Woodrow will be a very good striker but we are stunting his development. Jennings talks about pathways, but I don't think being stuck on the bench playing zero football does him any good. Get him out on loan when Smith comes back.
Hyndman running his mouth off in the press. Hope club fine him.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on October 08, 2015, 10:33:28 PM
Hyndman running his mouth off in the press. Hope club fine him.
This is what he said:
"It's a little difficult right now," Hyndman told ASN. "I've told them in the past that I think it's time for me to move on. There are clubs out there that are interested and that I am excited about, so it's difficult for me right now, and I can't see myself getting too many first-team minutes. I feel that I had a good preseason, and I thought I might get a chance, but I am really looking forward to the future more than anything.
"I am looking at all possibilities and I am not ruling anything out yet," Hyndman added. "I am keeping everything open. I think a style-of-play change would be helpful for my development at the moment. I think it would swing me forward quicker. All I want to do is play and get first-team minutes consistently."
Doesn't seem too outrageous. He seems a little confused. If he was considered to be good enough at the moment he would be in the Fulham team. If all (or any) of these teams that are said to be so interested in him were to back up their interest with some folding green then I'm sure he would be on his way whenever regulations allow.
I have thought of him as an outstanding prospect, although he has disappointed on the few occasions I have seen him recently. I'm sure he is done here now.
Quote from: cmg on October 08, 2015, 11:21:30 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on October 08, 2015, 10:33:28 PM
Hyndman running his mouth off in the press. Hope club fine him.
This is what he said:
"It's a little difficult right now," Hyndman told ASN. "I've told them in the past that I think it's time for me to move on. There are clubs out there that are interested and that I am excited about, so it's difficult for me right now, and I can't see myself getting too many first-team minutes. I feel that I had a good preseason, and I thought I might get a chance, but I am really looking forward to the future more than anything.
"I am looking at all possibilities and I am not ruling anything out yet," Hyndman added. "I am keeping everything open. I think a style-of-play change would be helpful for my development at the moment. I think it would swing me forward quicker. All I want to do is play and get first-team minutes consistently."
Doesn't seem too outrageous. He seems a little confused. If he was considered to be good enough at the moment he would be in the Fulham team. If all (or any) of these teams that are said to be so interested in him were to back up their interest with some folding green then I'm sure he would be on his way whenever regulations allow.
I have thought of him as an outstanding prospect, although he has disappointed on the few occasions I have seen him recently. I'm sure he is done here now.
What occasions were these? First team or U 21s?
I've told them I want to leave yet I'm upset they won't play me.
What does he expect?
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Quote from: cmg on October 08, 2015, 11:21:30 PM
I have thought of him as an outstanding prospect, although he has disappointed on the few occasions I have seen him recently. I'm sure he is done here now.
What occasions were these? First team or U 21s?
He's only played 5 minutes or so for the first team this year (vStoke) so it would be a little unfair to make a judgement on that!
He's had four outings for our u21s without hitting any heights in the two I saw. He captained USA u20 in the WC earlier this year and I thought him disappointing in the streamed matches I saw. To be fair he has got some good mentions in the recent USA u23 matches.
I'd still say he was a decent bet to make it being only 19 - but he is of little or no use to us at the moment.
Sean Kavanagh is a having an awful game against Lithuania u21's.
He is on the left wing. Need to get him out on loan I feel.
Another defeat for the youngsters. http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/reading (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/reading)
U16s premier league international tournament in Liverpool this wkend. Come on boys you can do it! Many boys playing won it last year in Warwickshire. Some Great prospects coming through
if you can get to the Cottage tonight there is the U21 game Vs Newcastle at 7PM
Unfortunately U21s lost 2-0
But the U16s boys in Liverpool won their first group game 2-0 against PSV Eindhoven
U16s have progressed to semi final, beat Stoke and Liverpool today.
The U16s won
Great news and I know club have high hopes for that age group.
Awesome news, congratulations to the kids involved and the club and coaches.
u16 Premier League International Tournament
The Club have now issued a neat little video of this impressive achievement.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/october/19/under-16s-retain-crown (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/october/19/under-16s-retain-crown)
I heartily recommend viewing it and the accompanying article, especially those of a less than optimistic view of our future.
I particularly liked: Kevin Betsy's views on the relative unimportance of the result at this age group.
The 20-odd pass move leading to the goal against Liverpool (it's so nice to type "the goal against Liverpool" that I think I'll do it again).
CMG is right. This is a great video of the lads. Well done to them.
u16 Premier League International Tournament (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaoD0gHkTCs&feature=youtu.be)
Dunno if it is the perspective of the camera, but the pitch looks massive. Loads of space. Is that really a fair indication of a young teams passing ability?
Well done to them anyway, some nice few goals.
Shame that there is no news on Dembele
YES!!!
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-10-22/moussa-dembele-close-to-signing-new-fulham-contract/? (http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-10-22/moussa-dembele-close-to-signing-new-fulham-contract/?)
Has Sambou dropped out of the game completely? Plumain is not getting many minutes in France which defeats the purpose of the loan deal.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on October 22, 2015, 03:04:41 PM
Has Sambou dropped out of the game completely? Plumain is not getting many minutes in France which defeats the purpose of the loan deal.
Last I heard of Sambou he was at Bolton on trial, but dont think he made the grade there.
Should have taken the one year deal hes agent rejected.
Well done lads!
http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/bedfordtownfootballclub/news/please-welcome-solomon-sambou-1515268.html (http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/bedfordtownfootballclub/news/please-welcome-solomon-sambou-1515268.html)
Sambou finds a club
Bedford Town
Quote from: MJG on October 26, 2015, 12:27:11 PM
http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/bedfordtownfootballclub/news/please-welcome-solomon-sambou-1515268.html (http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/bedfordtownfootballclub/news/please-welcome-solomon-sambou-1515268.html)
Sambou finds a club
Bedford Town
The greatest side in all of the Southern League Division One Central..
Oh dear...how could it be that he can't even find a League Two side? I liked the look of him
I haven't read through all 14 pages so apologies if it has been raised already but has anyone seen the highlights of the U16 PL win on the club website? Some fantastic team goals and well worth a watch, especially the goal v Liverpool which must have been 40 passes from our own corner flag at one point. Granted, the opposition is only 16 as well but hopefully some of these young lads will go on to be good enough for 1st team action or a £10m fee before they get there!
Quote from: MJG on October 26, 2015, 12:27:11 PM
http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/bedfordtownfootballclub/news/please-welcome-solomon-sambou-1515268.html (http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/bedfordtownfootballclub/news/please-welcome-solomon-sambou-1515268.html)
Sambou finds a club
Bedford Town
Good luck to him. We've all got to start somewhere.
I was a big fan of Sol Sambou when he was in the u18s and was disappointed when he didn't make it with us especially as he was the kind of robust midfielder we seem to lack. I guess he was a bit overshadowed by the dazzling skills of Roberts, Tankovic, Dembele etc. and he is a bit oddly shaped for a pro footballer being almost cubic. Only Roberts and Hyndman know how much they owe him for his 'minding' efforts.
The first goal in this clip is his goal against Spurs (we are in the Arsenal colours just to annoy them). He starts and finishes this move ('box to box' I guess you'd call it). Also involved Williams (I think), Roberts and Dembele.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D92U16u5Bdk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D92U16u5Bdk)
Absolutely good luck. I never felt his passing was up to scratch but he should have stayed on another season at least to see any improvement.
wow, my local team. They are not good the times I've watched them
Quote from: Jamie88 on October 26, 2015, 01:11:52 PM
Quote from: MJG on October 26, 2015, 12:27:11 PM
http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/bedfordtownfootballclub/news/please-welcome-solomon-sambou-1515268.html (http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/bedfordtownfootballclub/news/please-welcome-solomon-sambou-1515268.html)
Sambou finds a club
Bedford Town
The greatest side in all of the Southern League Division One Central..
Oh dear...how could it be that he can't even find a League Two side? I liked the look of him
Are they at the same ground? I can't remember the name of it, but I visited there a few times. When I was there [mid-60s - mid 70s] the Southern League and the Northern League were the top two non-league teams. Bedford was usually in a relegation struggle in the former.
West Ham u21 0 Fulham u21 2 (Evans, O'Halloran)
Quote from: cmg on October 26, 2015, 09:10:21 PM
West Ham u21 0 Fulham u21 2 (Evans, O'Halloran)
This is brilliant. Keep it up boys. Hopefully they are on a roll and keep this going against Swansea.
Quote from: HatterDon on October 26, 2015, 03:21:25 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on October 26, 2015, 01:11:52 PM
Quote from: MJG on October 26, 2015, 12:27:11 PM
http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/bedfordtownfootballclub/news/please-welcome-solomon-sambou-1515268.html (http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/bedfordtownfootballclub/news/please-welcome-solomon-sambou-1515268.html)
Sambou finds a club
Bedford Town
The greatest side in all of the Southern League Division One Central..
Oh dear...how could it be that he can't even find a League Two side? I liked the look of him
Are they at the same ground? I can't remember the name of it, but I visited there a few times. When I was there [mid-60s - mid 70s] the Southern League and the Northern League were the top two non-league teams. Bedford was usually in a relegation struggle in the former.
As a west end boy, I find it weird that I am answering this.
The answer is no. Their old ground is now a brewery. They have been moved to an out of town bit of wasteland. Moved here about 8 years ago. Rugby ground is great..in heart of town.
In another weird twist, I became chairman of Bedford United FC.
Someone tell me who has a better left foot at the club than Jordan Evans?
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/2015_2016/league/away/west-ham-united/west-ham-goals
Keeper made a mess of that. Great hit from Evans though.
Donnelly recalled from Crawley, wonder why? He is hardly going into the starting line up is he?
Great find about Sambou MJG, he should fire his agent!
Manager Mark Yates said: "Liam has done a good job for us and been a model pro during his time at Crawley.
"We'd like to thank him for his services and wish him all the best for the future."
Read more at http://www.crawleytownfc.com/news/article/crawley-town-fulham-2767615.aspx#KgSveerJ0B2I4Vvs.99 (http://www.crawleytownfc.com/news/article/crawley-town-fulham-2767615.aspx#KgSveerJ0B2I4Vvs.99)
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on October 27, 2015, 04:16:57 PM
Keeper made a mess of that. Great hit from Evans though.
Donnelly recalled from Crawley, wonder why? He is hardly going into the starting line up is he?
Great find about Sambou MJG, he should fire his agent!
Keeper did make a mess but great strike even so.
Hopefully Liam is on his way to a league 1/ championship/ SPFL team to further his development . He done well in league 2 but now needs a challenge
Following the Sambou news of moving to Bedford Town I have written about where the Dallas Cup winning team of 2013 are now playing
http://www.vivaelfulham.co.uk/articles/dallas-and-beyond-7-669.html (http://www.vivaelfulham.co.uk/articles/dallas-and-beyond-7-669.html)
Quote from: aaronmcguigan on October 28, 2015, 06:42:30 AM
Hopefully Liam is on his way to a league 1/ championship/ SPFL team to further his development . He done well in league 2 but now needs a challenge
Hopefully Liam isn't being recalled for RB cover for us. Would mean Richards is lost for a long while. Not saying Richards has been playing like the answer at RB but that I'd just rather have the flexibility of playing Fredricks at RM.
Anyone know what's up with Richards' injury? Seemed like it was his calf when I watched the replay the other night but, I haven't heard anything about the severity of the injury.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on October 28, 2015, 12:51:14 PM
Quote from: aaronmcguigan on October 28, 2015, 06:42:30 AM
Hopefully Liam is on his way to a league 1/ championship/ SPFL team to further his development . He done well in league 2 but now needs a challenge
Hopefully Liam isn't being recalled for RB cover for us. Would mean Richards is lost for a long while. Not saying Richards has been playing like the answer at RB but that I'd just rather have the flexibility of playing Fredricks at RM.
Anyone know what's up with Richards' injury? Seemed like it was his calf when I watched the replay the other night but, I haven't heard anything about the severity of the injury.
Maybe brought back so that Fredericks can play at RM even with Richards out. But I'll be honest and say I doubt that. Considering we have both Bodurov and Hutchison and lets not forget Voser who are all right footed, it is a bit of an odd recall.
Quote from: MJG on October 28, 2015, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on October 28, 2015, 12:51:14 PM
Quote from: aaronmcguigan on October 28, 2015, 06:42:30 AM
Hopefully Liam is on his way to a league 1/ championship/ SPFL team to further his development . He done well in league 2 but now needs a challenge
Hopefully Liam isn't being recalled for RB cover for us. Would mean Richards is lost for a long while. Not saying Richards has been playing like the answer at RB but that I'd just rather have the flexibility of playing Fredricks at RM.
Anyone know what's up with Richards' injury? Seemed like it was his calf when I watched the replay the other night but, I haven't heard anything about the severity of the injury.
Maybe brought back so that Fredericks can play at RM even with Richards out. But I'll be honest and say I doubt that. Considering we have both Bodurov and Hutchison and lets not forget Voser who are all right footed, it is a bit of an odd recall.
Appreciate your opinion Mike. Have you heard anything about Richards' injury? It certainly didn't look like we would be seeing him anytime soon the way he was fretting over his leg.
Not heard anything about Richards, Suspect/hope Kit will update tomorrow during press conference or video
Just found out via Robert Wood that Burgess has had surgery, so another reason why Liam may have come back.
Quote from: MJG on October 27, 2015, 03:46:47 PM
Someone tell me who has a better left foot at the club than Jordan Evans?
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/2015_2016/league/away/west-ham-united/west-ham-goals (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/2015_2016/league/away/west-ham-united/west-ham-goals)
Funny you say that, we've got quite a lot of left-footers these days. I sat at a game recently and counted the left-footers in the starting eleven alone and it was 5 or 6.
As for best left-footer, the stuff Sean Kavanagh was producing at u21 level the year before his injury was astonishing.
Quote from: Artful Dodger on October 26, 2015, 01:33:06 PM
I haven't read through all 14 pages so apologies if it has been raised already but has anyone seen the highlights of the U16 PL win on the club website? Some fantastic team goals and well worth a watch, especially the goal v Liverpool which must have been 40 passes from our own corner flag at one point. Granted, the opposition is only 16 as well but hopefully some of these young lads will go on to be good enough for 1st team action or a £10m fee before they get there!
Yeah, I bought it up a few pages back... If they keep the team together they could all potentially be 1st team players. surely when u know a team mate so well it'll brings the best out of each player. I believe they do this at some Euro teams - makes sense to me
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/west-ham-united (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/west-ham-united)
Poor run of form for u18's. They were supposedly meant to be better than Hyndman, Robberts age group.
Donnelly brought back from first team football at Crawley to play u21 football. Very odd andsurely not good for his development?
Dembele won't sihn a new contract with this run of form
Surprised the club is being so open regarding negotiations with Dembele. Normally we keep our cards close to our chest.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on November 03, 2015, 02:23:58 PM
Surprised the club is being so open regarding negotiations with Dembele. Normally we keep our cards close to our chest.
I think it's good that they have made clear an offer is there. Too often the club get criticised for not giving us any news and info.
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I don't think Kit's squad rotation has been great. It's unfair to judge Woodrow and LVC on one off displays considering they never get a consistent run of games.
Hopefully Cauley gets a loan. Think there is a player in there somewhere. Also what is up with Kavanagh? Get him out on loan, he is not injured.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on November 04, 2015, 12:04:46 PM
I don't think Kit's squad rotation has been great. It's unfair to judge Woodrow and LVC on one off displays considering they never get a consistent run of games.
Hopefully Cauley gets a loan. Think there is a player in there somewhere. Also what is up with Kavanagh? Get him out on loan, he is not injured.
I see the strengths in not venturing too far from your 'best eleven.' But I do definitely see points where we could do with mixing it up a bit, changing for the opposition, resting some legs, keeping people on their toes. A Jamie O'Hara for example, his impact has been waning a little and I'm starting to see issues defensively with him - he's obviously not an athletic player so can frequently be taken advantage of by a pass through him or running by. So I would like to see Christensen and Tunnicliffe next game.
Cauley is one I would like to see go out on loan, one like Smith's loan, drop a division and get some games under his belt. Sean Kavanagh too.
Mattias Kait has been given a squad number. Marek Rodak, Magnus Norman, Liam Donnelly and Jordan Evans are the others with squad numbers without first team appearances. Though I believe the other four have been on the bench before.
Who is Magnus?
Quote from: Dempsey on November 04, 2015, 04:40:41 PM
Who is Magnus?
18 year old goalkeeper, represented England U18s, had a couple of non-league loans as well I think.
Quote from: FPT on November 04, 2015, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on November 04, 2015, 12:04:46 PM
I don't think Kit's squad rotation has been great. It's unfair to judge Woodrow and LVC on one off displays considering they never get a consistent run of games.
Hopefully Cauley gets a loan. Think there is a player in there somewhere. Also what is up with Kavanagh? Get him out on loan, he is not injured.
I see the strengths in not venturing too far from your 'best eleven.' But I do definitely see points where we could do with mixing it up a bit, changing for the opposition, resting some legs, keeping people on their toes. A Jamie O'Hara for example, his impact has been waning a little and I'm starting to see issues defensively with him - he's obviously not an athletic player so can frequently be taken advantage of by a pass through him or running by. So I would like to see Christensen and Tunnicliffe next game.
Cauley is one I would like to see go out on loan, one like Smith's loan, drop a division and get some games under his belt. Sean Kavanagh too.
I think you are spot on there,
Great result. Hopefully the boys are back in business. http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/home/leicester-city (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/home/leicester-city)
Twins Ryan and Steve Sessegnon both in England u16 squad for Florida tournament next month (USA, England, Brazil, Netherlands).
Floating around on twitter that we have applied to build an indoor astroturf. Would be great investment.
Good win - http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/home/tottenham-hotspur (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/home/tottenham-hotspur)
Two wins on the bounce, two massive ones in fact for the U18s. A hat-trick by Dennis Adeniran (who is still only 16) from central midfield, this kid is incredibly talented, the mould of a player of which we don't have.
U18 Top Scorers this year, ages in brackets:
Stephen Humphrys (18): 7
Dennis Adeniran (16): 6
Joshua Walker (18): 6
Ryan Sessegnon (16, I believe, could be 15): 3
Jon Dagur Thorsteinsson (16): 2
Moritz Jens (16): 2
Aron Davies (18): 1
In turn, the U21 top scorers:
Joshua Walker (18): 2
Stephen Humphrys (18): 1
Luca De La Torre (17): 1
Mattias Kait (17): 1
Jordan Evans (20): 1
Dean O'Halloran (19): 1
Josh Smile (19): 1
Last summer, there was a lot of speculation about your future, but in the end you stayed at Fulham. Were you however happy to receive interest from some big names in European football?
Every week the media is sending me to different clubs. It is funny and flattering but on a serious note I am focusing on Fulham and promotion to the Premier League. All the other things do not affect me that much. I don't deceive. I give 100% everytime I wear the shirt. For the rest, my agents are dealing with it.
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/exclusive-interview-moussa-dembele-it-is-a-state-of-mind-that-we-call-beast-mode/? (http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/exclusive-interview-moussa-dembele-it-is-a-state-of-mind-that-we-call-beast-mode/?)
No wonder the Dembele deal is taking for ever. Rigg and the club have to satisfy not one agent but agents, plural. Much like Mitroglou.
New profile on the academy page - http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/academy/academy-staff/derek-bradley (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/academy/academy-staff/derek-bradley)
Some good but very sloppy goals for both teams - http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/home/tottenham-hotspur/tottenham-u18s-goals (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/home/tottenham-hotspur/tottenham-u18s-goals)
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/476121/Done-Deal-Former-Arsenal-Fulham-midfielder-joins-Manchester-United (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/476121/Done-Deal-Former-Arsenal-Fulham-midfielder-joins-Manchester-United)
Don't know if we get any compensation for him? Also surprised he agreed to go on trial for the last 3 months! At least Fulham actually wanted him, utd don't seem to be too bothered.
Fulham sign striker - http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/17/pearce-joins-fulham (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/17/pearce-joins-fulham) Maybe to replace Buffonge?
Fulham put up an interview with Wigley saying how bright the future is but have taken it down again.
Here is the interview.
Says 3 or 4 have a really good chance of making it. http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/17/wigley-future-is-bright (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/17/wigley-future-is-bright)
Mentions a couple of times about small size of u21/u18 squad so they are combining teams for training sessions.
Good to see Grimmer back in training and being coached by Wigley in training is nice to see, Grimmer captained the Dallas cup winning team which was coached by Wigley.
Nice interview and Wigley has a good ethos - "let's develop a winning player."
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on November 17, 2015, 04:14:30 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/476121/Done-Deal-Former-Arsenal-Fulham-midfielder-joins-Manchester-United (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/476121/Done-Deal-Former-Arsenal-Fulham-midfielder-joins-Manchester-United)
Don't know if we get any compensation for him? Also surprised he agreed to go on trial for the last 3 months! At least Fulham actually wanted him, utd don't seem to be too bothered.
Fulham sign striker - http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/17/pearce-joins-fulham (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/17/pearce-joins-fulham) Maybe to replace Buffonge?
Fulham put up an interview with Wigley saying how bright the future is but have taken it down again.
DJ played the first 3 games for Man.Utd U18s then picked up a groin injury just started back in training after intensive physio
Quote from: Robertw on November 17, 2015, 05:33:26 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on November 17, 2015, 04:14:30 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/476121/Done-Deal-Former-Arsenal-Fulham-midfielder-joins-Manchester-United (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/476121/Done-Deal-Former-Arsenal-Fulham-midfielder-joins-Manchester-United)
Don't know if we get any compensation for him? Also surprised he agreed to go on trial for the last 3 months! At least Fulham actually wanted him, utd don't seem to be too bothered.
Fulham sign striker - http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/17/pearce-joins-fulham (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/17/pearce-joins-fulham) Maybe to replace Buffonge?
Fulham put up an interview with Wigley saying how bright the future is but have taken it down again.
DJ played the first 3 games for Man.Utd U18s then picked up a groin injury just started back in training after intensive physio
Not too sure on how the youth contracts work, do you think we got compensation for him?
Your twitter is great btw (Assuming this is the same robertw on that i follow) great yuoth updates.
Buffonge looked an absolute gem, wonderful dribbler, could create and score. At 16 he was one of the stars of the U18s for a moment so a little disappointed to lose him, looked Roberts 'esque.' The cousin of Dennis Adeniran I believe...
Good to hear from Steve, may be the first vocal interview since he came back, good to see he's so positive, I do see some talent knocking around, and as you know Mike, I've always been hopeful of the individuals despite the team results.
And again, nice to Grimmer back playing with the football and moving around a bit. A nice lad with a good attitude, I hope he'll be at the club for a fair while whether that's developing into a strong right back or a centre back.
Think Grimmer is good enough to be at the very least a squad player be it in the Championship or Premiership.
Good interview with Williams - http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/18/williams-desperate-to-play (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/18/williams-desperate-to-play)
Liked him at youth level but seemed a little one dimensional when given a first team chance. Seems to have bulked up loads.
Poor old Georgie Williams left after 15 minutes today against Villa. Drew 2 - 2. Woodrow played 60 mins. His development has been severely stunted. Need to get him a loan deal.
Goals from Saturdays U18 win at Swansea
That's three in a row now
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/swansea-city/swansea-goals (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/swansea-city/swansea-goals)
Quote from: MJG on November 23, 2015, 11:51:47 AM
Goals from Saturdays U18 win at Swansea
That's three in a row now
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/swansea-city/swansea-goals (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/swansea-city/swansea-goals)
Lovely ball from 15 year old Matthew O'Riley (England U16 international) to play in 16 year old Ryan Sessegnon (England U16 international) for the eventual winner at U18 level! The first goal scored by 16 year old Mikolaj Kwietniewski (that'll take some learning).
The best left foot at the club has gone to Oxford on loan
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/26/evans-oxford-loan (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/26/evans-oxford-loan)
A small report on Mattias Kait
http://www.scoutedplayer.info/mattias-kait.html (http://www.scoutedplayer.info/mattias-kait.html)
Quote from: MJG on November 27, 2015, 08:55:28 AM
A small report on Mattias Kait
http://www.scoutedplayer.info/mattias-kait.html (http://www.scoutedplayer.info/mattias-kait.html)
Great find. Look forward to the club offering him a paltry new deal and Kait moving on.
In other news Rodak signed a new deal.
Evans gone to Oxford.
Another profile to read - http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/academy/academy-staff/andrew-watt (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/academy/academy-staff/andrew-watt)
Fulham looking at a player for my local club. Don't think he is good enough though. He physically towers over the rest of the under 15's. Lukaku-esque.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on November 27, 2015, 12:22:22 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 27, 2015, 08:55:28 AM
A small report on Mattias Kait
http://www.scoutedplayer.info/mattias-kait.html (http://www.scoutedplayer.info/mattias-kait.html)
Great find. Look forward to the club offering him a paltry new deal and Kait moving on.
In other news Rodak signed a new deal.
Evans gone to Oxford.
Another profile to read - http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/academy/academy-staff/andrew-watt (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/academy/academy-staff/andrew-watt)
Fulham looking at a player for my local club. Don't think he is good enough though. He physically towers over the rest of the under 15's. Lukaku-esque.
Robert Wood found the link
Quote from: FPT on November 23, 2015, 12:59:57 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 23, 2015, 11:51:47 AM
Goals from Saturdays U18 win at Swansea
That's three in a row now
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/swansea-city/swansea-goals (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/swansea-city/swansea-goals)
Lovely ball from 15 year old Matthew O'Riley (England U16 international) to play in 16 year old Ryan Sessegnon (England U16 international) for the eventual winner at U18 level! The first goal scored by 16 year old Mikolaj Kwietniewski (that'll take some learning).
Try fitting that into a song!
Quote from: Sheepskin Junior on November 27, 2015, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: FPT on November 23, 2015, 12:59:57 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 23, 2015, 11:51:47 AM
Goals from Saturdays U18 win at Swansea
That's three in a row now
http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/swansea-city/swansea-goals (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/league/away/swansea-city/swansea-goals)
Lovely ball from 15 year old Matthew O'Riley (England U16 international) to play in 16 year old Ryan Sessegnon (England U16 international) for the eventual winner at U18 level! The first goal scored by 16 year old Mikolaj Kwietniewski (that'll take some learning).
Try fitting that into a song!
"Mik-o-laj, Mik-o-laj
There's no one who can beat you." -- from Edelweiss
Great win for the u18's today. It looks like Steve Wigley went straight from that game to assisting Grant. He is in pitcure 11 here http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/28/preston-in-pictures (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/november/28/preston-in-pictures)
No Curbs on show.
I wonder when Wigley will make it onto the 96 page "Manager vacancy" thread?
Nogood "Wigle room for him there, isit" Boyo
U18s: Fulham 3-2 Southampton
Good work lads! 049:gif (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_93ygjJmQv4)
Larnell Cole scored his first goal for Shrewsbury (and his first professional) goal tonight. Shrewsbury lost 3-1 at home to Walsall.
A couple of decent goals for Joshua Walker who is looking a natural at putting the ball in the back of the net this season. Believe he's top scorer for both the Under 18s and Under 21s now. He looked a decent pacy player but nothing really stand out until this year, would like to see him turn out a couple more times for the Under 21s. He's really starting to catch my eye with his Defoe like goal scoring ability.
And Fulham won a penalty!
Ryan Sessegnon, who featured in the England u16 3-2 victory over the hosts, USA, earlier this week, was joined by his twin brother Steven for yesterday's match.
Unfortunately Steven was injured after a few minutes (hope he is OK), but Ryan was influential in an impressive 2-0 win. The opposition was only Brazil, but well done anyway!
Jordan Evans has yet to make his debut for Oxford. Could do tomorrow though when they play in the FA cup.
Steve Wigley is with the first team. Not too sure how happy Jennings will be with more u18 disruption (remember Keen left last season). Vic Betnelli is stepping in and he is highly regarded so there shouldn't be a problem.
Hyndman came on today which I find infuriating. He should have done what Moussa has done and kept his trap shut. Lost all respect for him when he publicly stated he was leaving and would be going to train for other clubs even though he is still under contract with us. Obviously the club had to give him permission to do so but still annoying.
Find it bizarre that they brought Donnelly back from first team football to sit in with the u21's. Maybe it has something to do with his back?
The Academy the only good thing about our club. Hopefully Jenning's doesn't get poached or it will all fall apart.
Jordan Evans on the bench for Oxford in the FA Cup. Shame, thought we could see him start.
Think we have close ties to Oxford. We signed Ravi Shamsi from them I believe among others.
Jordan Evans made his professional debut as a 77th minute substitute on Sunday as Oxford United beat Forest Green Rovers 1-0 in the Second Round of the Emirates FA Cup.
The non-League side remained in the tie thanks to a number of great saves by their goalkeeper Steve Arnold, but he was finally beaten by a vicious Kemar Roofe strike a minute before Evans' introduction.
The 20-year-old operated from a left-wing position, and was involved in a number of positive passages of play as Oxford booked their place in Round Three.
Afterwards he tweeted: "What a feeling to make my professional debut today, even better with a win, fans were unbelievable! Buzzing for 3rd round draw!"
Having beaten USA and Brazil, England u16 went into this weekend's match v Netherlands needing a draw to win the tournament.
They went 0-2 down in the first half. Ryan Sessegnon came on just before h/t and his last minute equalizer was enough to secure an impressive tournament victory.
Jordan Evans makes his first pro start tonight for Oxford U.
Shown on the team sheet as striker, he seems to have got the right idea opening the scoring with a 30 yarder. No prizes for guessing which foot.
Jordan (Best Left Foot at the Club) Evans goal from last night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfmn31tLBF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfmn31tLBF4)
Quote from: MJG on December 09, 2015, 12:34:52 PM
Jordan (Best Left Foot at the Club) Evans goal from last night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfmn31tLBF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfmn31tLBF4)
Belter!
As a big advocate for youth development I would like to congratulate Kevin Betsy for being named Youth Development Phase Coach of the Year at the FA Coaching Awards.
Read more here,
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/december/10/betsys-award (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/december/10/betsys-award)
Quote from: love4ffc on December 11, 2015, 01:24:17 AM
As a big advocate for youth development I would like to congratulate Kevin Betsy for being named Youth Development Phase Coach of the Year at the FA Coaching Awards.
Read more here,
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/december/10/betsys-award (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/december/10/betsys-award)
Very nice article and pleased for him. Wonder if he will progress through the age groups to u21's or stay where he is.
Liam Donnelly and George Williams, have to assume both are injured. Anybody heard anything?
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on December 11, 2015, 11:20:20 AM
Liam Donnelly and George Williams, have to assume both are injured. Anybody heard anything?
Williams has had a setback. Donnelly I think is ok, just not had much action since coming back to the club.
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2015, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on December 11, 2015, 11:20:20 AM
Liam Donnelly and George Williams, have to assume both are injured. Anybody heard anything?
Williams has had a setback. Donnelly I think is ok, just not had much action since coming back to the club.
I'm pretty sure that is the back of Williams head talking to Grey, so maybe he has recovered? http://www.fulhamfc.com/ (http://www.fulhamfc.com/)
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on December 11, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2015, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on December 11, 2015, 11:20:20 AM
Liam Donnelly and George Williams, have to assume both are injured. Anybody heard anything?
Williams has had a setback. Donnelly I think is ok, just not had much action since coming back to the club.
I'm pretty sure that is the back of Williams head talking to Grey, so maybe he has recovered? http://www.fulhamfc.com/ (http://www.fulhamfc.com/)
think it was and he's the video so that good. There was a worry his hamstring had gone but looks like it wasn't that bad.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on December 11, 2015, 11:00:57 AM
Quote from: love4ffc on December 11, 2015, 01:24:17 AM
As a big advocate for youth development I would like to congratulate Kevin Betsy for being named Youth Development Phase Coach of the Year at the FA Coaching Awards.
Read more here,
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/december/10/betsys-award (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/december/10/betsys-award)
Very nice article and pleased for him. Wonder if he will progress through the age groups to u21's or stay where he is.
One could only hope that he has a long career with FFC and continues to advance up the ranks.
Would be brillant to see him with the 21's one day
For those of you around its the 3rd Round of the youth cup Monday night against Bury at Motspur Park
7PM kick off and £3/£1 entry fee
Spigs has a really good round up of the bury game on tfi.
The u18's won 4 -2. First goal is a superb free kick. Our second and third goal are comical from Bury. http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/cup/round-three/bury-u18s-goals (http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-18s/2015_2016/cup/round-three/bury-u18s-goals) Think Vic Betnelli took charge. We conceded 2 appalling goals, especially the second.
Adam Taggart has been sent back from Dundee. 7 appearances, 0 goals. Gray says he will go to the u21 squad. I'd say he is off to Australia in Janurary.
Many thanks to all those who supply information about the youth teams. With all the depressing news about the first team and the managerial farce it is heartening to hear about the successes of the youngsters.
Here is the report from Spigs
http://www.vivaelfulham.co.uk/under-18-s/u18-match-report-fulham-vs-bury-3rd-rd-youth-cup-39-685.html (http://www.vivaelfulham.co.uk/under-18-s/u18-match-report-fulham-vs-bury-3rd-rd-youth-cup-39-685.html)
Hard to believe that Nobay is still only 18. We bought him from Bigmingham for around 400k, and Lee Clark was going to start him for Birmingham at the age of 16.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on December 17, 2015, 08:49:24 PM
Hard to believe that Nobay is still only 18. We bought him from Bigmingham for around 400k, and Lee Clark was going to start him for Birmingham at the age of 16.
Just found this article - Clark wanted to play him at 15!
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/teenage-prodigy-foday-nabay-quits-5171128 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/teenage-prodigy-foday-nabay-quits-5171128)
Quote from: YoungsBitter on June 23, 2015, 06:41:39 PM
We also spent money on Casasuola from Argentina. Be interesting to see if he breaks into first team squad this season.
Friend of mine saw him play for Como and thought he was rubbish, rather sarcastically thanked me for letting him come to Como!!!
U21 team vs Brighton away at 1PM
Rodák
Voser
Grimmer
Burgess
Kavanagh,
Smile
Mattila
de la Torre,
Christensen
Williams
Woodrow
Subs: Norman, Sheckleford, Kait, Pino Soler, Elworthy
Match Report from the weekends win over Norwich
http://www.vivaelfulham.co.uk/under-18-s/u18s-v-norwich-motspur-park-on-19th-dec-2015-39-687.html (http://www.vivaelfulham.co.uk/under-18-s/u18s-v-norwich-motspur-park-on-19th-dec-2015-39-687.html)
Quote from: MJG on December 22, 2015, 12:07:22 PM
U21 team vs Brighton away at 1PM
Rodák
Voser
Grimmer
Burgess
Kavanagh,
Smile
Mattila
de la Torre,
Christensen
Williams
Woodrow
Subs: Norman, Sheckleford, Kait, Pino Soler, Elworthy
3-3 the final score...
Pembridge obviously rated by the club. Shifted back down to working with the Academy - http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/academy/academy-staff (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/academy/academy-staff)
Thanks for the link - the words from Mike Elias indicate that we now have 3 ex Southampton 'Youth Experts' back working together. These are the guys that identified developed, Bale, Walcott etc - Perhaps this is the much quoted sustainability path for us ?
Larnell Cole's Shrewwsbury lost 7-1 today. He played the full 90.
Spark Ass cup (not an adult film) is available to watch from tomorrow onwards. Reminiscing over the Dallas Cup!
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2016/january/06/sparkasse-cup-preview (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2016/january/06/sparkasse-cup-preview)
Jurgen Klopp says that a club's best young talents should be kept at the club instead of being shipped out on loan.
This is an interesting take and goes against conventional wisdom of getting your youngsters first team football.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on January 07, 2016, 11:38:25 AM
Jurgen Klopp says that a club's best young talents should be kept at the club instead of being shipped out on loan.
This is an interesting take and goes against conventional wisdom of getting your youngsters first team football.
I don't think you should loan out players u21/20 for a whole season.
If you believe in your clubs coaching ability they should be at the training ground for majority of time.
3 months max at a time and then another 3 months at the home club before going out again.
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/14186298.Oxford_United_upbeat_over_second_deal_for_Fulham_s_Jordan_Evans/ (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/14186298.Oxford_United_upbeat_over_second_deal_for_Fulham_s_Jordan_Evans/)
Speaking of loans, Jordan Evans wants to be kept on by Oxford. Wonder if he will earn a new deal with Fulham?
Quote from: MJG on January 07, 2016, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on January 07, 2016, 11:38:25 AM
Jurgen Klopp says that a club's best young talents should be kept at the club instead of being shipped out on loan.
This is an interesting take and goes against conventional wisdom of getting your youngsters first team football.
I don't think you should loan out players u21/20 for a whole season.
If you believe in your clubs coaching ability they should be at the training ground for majority of time.
3 months max at a time and then another 3 months at the home club before going out again.
I think that is spot on.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on January 07, 2016, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: MJG on January 07, 2016, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on January 07, 2016, 11:38:25 AM
Jurgen Klopp says that a club's best young talents should be kept at the club instead of being shipped out on loan.
This is an interesting take and goes against conventional wisdom of getting your youngsters first team football.
I don't think you should loan out players u21/20 for a whole season.
If you believe in your clubs coaching ability they should be at the training ground for majority of time.
3 months max at a time and then another 3 months at the home club before going out again.
I think that is spot on.
A number of years ago, I recall Arsene Wenger talking about the development about young players and although I think it was about Aaron Ramsey specifically, it's really stuck with me since. Wenger essentially discussed the idea that simply training with better players is very beneficial to young players. I believe the example with Ramsey was he had the taste of first team football at Cardiff, but Arsene Wenger took him to a place with better coaching, better facilities surrounded by better players and Ramsey blossomed despite missing a pretty vital development year at the ages of 19/20 with that broken leg.
You may not find it as interesting as I did, but hey!
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Extra point, I quite enjoy about some of our better individual academy product performances have come from those without a loan that youngsters apparently need. Lasse Vigen Christensen came into the team last year at 20 years old with no run of professional game and it was only that final third of the season injury that cost him a good shot at the Player of the Year award. Moussa Dembele this season too, is 19 years old, no run of games and is keeping pace with
men who are the best strikers in the division. Emerson Hyndman too has never had a loan.
Disappointment for our youngsters' elimination at the Intermediate stage of the Hannover (u19) competition.
But excellent win by our u17s in the Paderborn Tournement.
Despite losing their first two group matches our boys got through to the final to beat Armenia Bielfeld 8-2
Ryan Sessegnon was leading scorer and voted Player of the Tournament.
Keep saying it, this crop of U16s is ridiculously good. Ryan Sessegnon will be the Patrick Roberts of this group - the face of the crop but by no means the be all and end all.
The loan process often causes far more problems for a young player than any benefits. It upsets the lifestyle they have created, it takes them away from a settled peer group and often has them playing at a club where the system is different or in a position they are not at their best in.
The club they go to often does not have their best interests at heart either-it is after a short term gain.
So far better the Ajax model where a whole club plays in a certain style and the players can naturally move up through the ranks.Creates far better morale as well and reduces the overheads of scouting/paperwork/loan contracts which all cost.
Youth Cup 4th Round tonight at MP
Vs Reading
7PM kick off
Pembridge gone apparently.
Crawley asked us to recall Donnelly apparently as he was not performing.
Knocked out of the FA Youth Cup.
All in all, disappointing.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on January 19, 2016, 12:33:55 PM
Pembridge gone apparently.
Crawley asked us to recall Donnelly apparently as he was not performing.
Knocked out of the FA Youth Cup.
All in all, disappointing.
Kit Symons linked with the Leyton Orient job. Wouldn't surprise me to see Pembridge go there with him. And actually, Liam Donnelly and possibly Sean Kavanagh getting loans there wouldn't shock me either.
Quote from: FPT on January 19, 2016, 01:14:26 PM
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on January 19, 2016, 12:33:55 PM
Pembridge gone apparently.
Crawley asked us to recall Donnelly apparently as he was not performing.
Knocked out of the FA Youth Cup.
All in all, disappointing.
Kit Symons linked with the Leyton Orient job. Wouldn't surprise me to see Pembridge go there with him. And actually, Liam Donnelly and possibly Sean Kavanagh getting loans there wouldn't shock me either.
Surely we could actually sell Kavanagh? Not sure Leyton Orient have much money but he'd hardly command a huge fee
