http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-fulham-owner-shahid-khan-wants-to-buy-tottenham-and-relocate-jacksonville-jaguars-to-white-hart-lane-10380385.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-fulham-owner-shahid-khan-wants-to-buy-tottenham-and-relocate-jacksonville-jaguars-to-white-hart-lane-10380385.html)
Fulham owner Shahid Khan is considering selling the club and buying Tottenham in a deal that could also see his NFL team, the Jacksonville Jaguars, move into the new White Hart Lane.
Standard Sport understands Khan's plan is at an extremely formative stage, with only informal discussions having taken place with advisers over the possibility of a dramatic deal that would change the football landscape in London.
No contact has been made between Khan and Spurs, while a new stadium has been part of chairman Daniel Levy's grand plan for the north London club since he took over in 2001 and he has no desire to sell.
Spurs unveiled their blueprint on Wednesday for a 61,000-capacity stadium that will host two NFL matches per season over a 10-year period from the planned opening date in 2018.
Tottenham's new link with the NFL will appeal to Khan, whose Jaguars team have a four-year residency at Wembley, which expires in 2016.
Crunch time: The NFL are keen to launch a London franchise with the Jaguars leading the pack
In November, Khan insisted that "we have no plans to move at this time" but also admitted that "going overseas has been a win-win... [extending the annual visits] is something we are going to look at in a couple of years... it is in the realm of possibility but nothing's decided".
It is believed that Khan has been encouraged by the upturn in financial results the Jaguars have enjoyed since coming to London.
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They generated the least income of all 32 NFL teams when he took control in 2011 but are projected to rise around 10 places, thanks largely to the increased income from higher ticket prices and larger gates at the 90,000-capacity Wembley than at their EverBank Field venue in Florida, which holds 67,000.
It is believed that Khan would prefer a more permanent residence, assuming that the rest of the NFL's owners do not object to further matches being played overseas.
Tottenham will be worth an estimated £1billion when their state-of-the-art stadium is built. Khan's net worth, according to the Forbes list, is $4.6bn (£2.99bn) and he is understood to have paid approximately £150m for Fulham when he took over at Craven Cottage two years ago.
Speculation has persisted for a long time that Spurs owner Joe Lewis and Levy would look to sell up once they had built a new stadium, but Khan would need to first find a buyer for Fulham before making an offer.
Laughable
Fayed to buy the club back at a discounted price and lead us back to the Premier League? :D
No idea what to make of this!
That is putting 2 and 1 together and making 18. So what the story boils down to is that Khan has an NFL team, Spurs have signed an agreement with the NFL, ergo Khan wants to buy spurs. No discussions have occured no approach has been made. Sensationalist story telling at its best.
I don't believe it!
Stand by for conspiracy stories. Fulham to become 'feeder' club. CC developed for housing. Michael Jackson statue resurrected at WHL................
So;
No talks
No desire to sell Spurs
No one in the NFL realistically thinks London can have a permanent team
Khan's said time and time again that he doesn't want to move the Jags
The lease on matches at the new WHL is for 10 years
Would Khan really spend 1/3 of his wealth on a team?
Is he that much of an idiot to buy us at a sky high price when we were still in the PL, then sell us at our lowest after only 2 years and when we now look on the up?
I'm annoyed with myself that I spent the time to justify why that article's clearly a load of nonsense.
Ok so just to let people know the FST have contacted club and awaiting a response. True or not I'd hope they say something.
Quote from: SKSW6 on July 10, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
So;
No talks
No desire to sell Spurs
No one in the NFL realistically thinks London can have a permanent team
Khan's said time and time again that he doesn't want to move the Jags
The lease on matches at the new WHL is for 10 years
Would Khan really spend 1/3 of his wealth on a team?
Is he that much of an idiot to buy us at a sky high price when we were still in the PL, then sell us at our lowest after only 2 years and when we now look on the up?
I'm annoyed with myself that I spent the time to justify why that article's clearly a load of nonsense.
Don't be so sure about that, Roger Goodell, who is the commissioner of the league (the head guy) sees it as his legacy to put a team overseas. He is all in favour of it
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on July 10, 2015, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on July 10, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
So;
No talks
No desire to sell Spurs
No one in the NFL realistically thinks London can have a permanent team
Khan's said time and time again that he doesn't want to move the Jags
The lease on matches at the new WHL is for 10 years
Would Khan really spend 1/3 of his wealth on a team?
Is he that much of an idiot to buy us at a sky high price when we were still in the PL, then sell us at our lowest after only 2 years and when we now look on the up?
I'm annoyed with myself that I spent the time to justify why that article's clearly a load of nonsense.
Don't be so sure about that, Roger Goodell, who is the commissioner of the league (the head guy) sees it as his legacy to put a team overseas. He is all in favour of it
I know they keep going on about it, but there are so many logistical problems that I don't think any of them think it's actually feasible, at least not any time soon. In that case it's not particularly relevant to us.
Shahid Khan: The billionaire who could ditch Fulham for Tottenham has a true rags to riches story
Business magnate Shahid Khan, who has revealed his ambitions to sell Fulham and buy Tottenham, can tell a true rags to riches story.
At 16 he left his native Pakistan to study in the US and on his arrival there he stayed in a YMCA for $2 a night and washed dishes to get by.
Today, the 64-year-old has a net worth of $4.4 billion and 300-foot superyacht, according to Forbes.
His wealth, which is entirely self-made, stems from his ownership of auto parts giant and two major sporting teams – the NFL's Jacksonville Jaguars and Championship side Fulham.
An engineer by trade, his career took off when he invented a revolutionary bumper for trucks that became an industry standard.
After setting up a business with a loan and his own savings in 1978, he bought a company he used to work for called Flex-N-Gate. He turned it around and built it into a business that makes around $4.9 billion in sales.
The entrepreneur, unmistakable with his jet black moustache, has been complemented on his business acumen, having out-manoeuvred rivals and moved early to secure deals with Japanese auto makers in the 80s.
A naturalised US citizen, Khan fell in love with American football soon after arriving in the States.
The super fan first tried to get a foothold in the sport by buying a 60% stake in the St Louis Rams in 2011 but the deal fell through.
He realised his dream a year later when he bought the Jaguars for $770 million in 2012.
He has been keen to boost the NFL brand outside the US and was part of a deal to bring the Jaguars to Wembley for four seasons.
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Khan, who prefers to be called 'Shad', turned his attention to Fulham in 2013 after meeting former owner Mohamed Al Fayed.
He snapped up the side for an undisclosed sum, which has been estimated at between £150 and £200 million.
Khan is using his business brain in his management of the Championship club.
He has pledged to take the side back to the Premier League but has said he won't break the bank to do it.
http://www.standard.co.uk/business/business-news/shahid-khan-the-billionaire-who-could-ditch-fulham-for-tottenham-has-a-true-rags-to-riches-story-10380453.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/business/business-news/shahid-khan-the-billionaire-who-could-ditch-fulham-for-tottenham-has-a-true-rags-to-riches-story-10380453.html)
Wouldn't be surprised as I doubt he wants to keep a Championship side for too long if we don't get promoted soon
Alot of people haven't been sure of his motives, but maybe they are beginning to become a but clearer
2+2 = 5 laughable. So he spends 200m and is going to sell at a loss of at least 100m? I can't believe that anyone would be silly enough to believe this BS journalism.
If I was Levy I'd want to speak to Khan as he's one of the very few who has experience of English and American football. He also knows a bit about playing and moving NFL games to another country, and building a suitable stadium for both sports. This is another way of calling the talks 'formative'; The story has a basis of truth built up with exaggeration and supposition
Normally I would say that there's no smoke without fire but all this journo-talk about extremely formative stages, informal talks with advisors, etc. I think it must be steam from a pile of horse poo as opposed to smoke.
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on July 10, 2015, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on July 10, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
So;
No talks
No desire to sell Spurs
No one in the NFL realistically thinks London can have a permanent team
Khan's said time and time again that he doesn't want to move the Jags
The lease on matches at the new WHL is for 10 years
Would Khan really spend 1/3 of his wealth on a team?
Is he that much of an idiot to buy us at a sky high price when we were still in the PL, then sell us at our lowest after only 2 years and when we now look on the up?
I'm annoyed with myself that I spent the time to justify why that article's clearly a load of nonsense.
Don't be so sure about that, Roger Goodell, who is the commissioner of the league (the head guy) sees it as his legacy to put a team overseas. He is all in favour of it
Gooddell works for the 32 owners of the teams in the league, it would take a lot for the owners to agree to such a move. Logistically it doesn't make sense and most fans are adamantly opposed to the idea.
Quote from: jj____ on July 10, 2015, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on July 10, 2015, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on July 10, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
So;
No talks
No desire to sell Spurs
No one in the NFL realistically thinks London can have a permanent team
Khan's said time and time again that he doesn't want to move the Jags
The lease on matches at the new WHL is for 10 years
Would Khan really spend 1/3 of his wealth on a team?
Is he that much of an idiot to buy us at a sky high price when we were still in the PL, then sell us at our lowest after only 2 years and when we now look on the up?
I'm annoyed with myself that I spent the time to justify why that article's clearly a load of nonsense.
Don't be so sure about that, Roger Goodell, who is the commissioner of the league (the head guy) sees it as his legacy to put a team overseas. He is all in favour of it
Gooddell works for the 32 owners of the teams in the league, it would take a lot for the owners to agree to such a move. Logistically it doesn't make sense and most fans are adamantly opposed to the idea.
Imagine being a Jacksonville fan and being told that your beloved club is moving across the ocean to London. Astonishing such things are allowed to happen.
Quote from Mr Woodcock to me via email is
Total nonsense and complete fiction.
I wouldn't believe this in a hurry, just by reading the story.
- "Standard Sport understands Khan's plan is at an extremely formative stage, with only informal discussions having taken place with advisers over the possibility of a dramatic deal that would change the football landscape in London."
Compare that to the overdramatic headline. Shahid Khan apparently wants to buy Tottenham, yet is only apparently at "extremely formative stage," that's not quite wanting to buy Tottenham, remove the Jaguars and sell Fulham, aided by the very next line in the story:
"No contact has been made between Khan and Spurs, while a new stadium has been part of chairman Daniel Levy's grand plan for the north London club since he took over in 2001 and he has no desire to sell."
So no contact has been made and Daniel Levy has no desire to sell anyway - so this story is going nowhere after three sentences.
The story then goes on to discuss the greater financial benefits from having games at the 90,000 seat stadium Wembley and the EverBank Field in Jacksonville which seats 67,000. Tottenham's blueprints for their new stadium is 61,000. The Jacksonville Jaguars' average attendance currently is 63,000, so this makes no sense whatsoever - on average, one of the worst teams in the NFL still has a higher attendance than the stadium that Shahid Khan apparently wants to move them to? So where's the financial benefits? This story is falling apart.
Tottenham, post stadium building, would be worth £1bn, so Shahid Khan would be putting a third of his wealth into buying Tottenham in order to decrease his attendance average?
Then we come to the very last sentence: Speculation has persisted for a long time that Spurs owner Joe Lewis and Levy would look to sell up once they had built a new stadium, but Khan would need to first find a buyer for Fulham before making an offer.
Let's just compare that to earlier on in the story: while a new stadium has been part of chairman Daniel Levy's grand plan for the north London club since he took over in 2001 and he has no desire to sell.
Now, I may be overanalysing this, talking nonsense or whatever. But to me, the Evening Standard has made a story up making it sound semi reliable because it has a "believable" thread by linking the NFL man who owns a London club and has had his franchise play in London, to the team that has just had a new stadium authorised or whatever which includes holding two NFL games a year.
Story makes total sense to me. Khan certainly didn't buy Fulham to watch the football. He's a dealmaker. The Spurs owners want to sell, they're building an NFL stadium, he's got an NFL team who are very transportable.
This has got a very good chance of happening.
Hopefully Fulham will end up with a new owner who doesn't appoint German cheese lovers as managers.
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 02:08:18 PM
Story makes total sense to me. Khan certainly didn't buy Fulham to watch the football. He's a dealmaker. The Spurs owners want to sell, they're building an NFL stadium, he's got an NFL team who are very transportable.
This has got a very good chance of happening.
Hopefully Fulham will end up with a new owner who doesn't appoint German cheese lovers as managers.
Stopped reading at 'Story makes total sense to me'
Job done:
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/july/10/evening-standard-reaction (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/july/10/evening-standard-reaction)
Both club and Mr Woodcock responded to the FST in relation to this subject and nonsense and rubbish were the main response.
Quote from: MJG on July 10, 2015, 02:19:59 PM
Both club and Mr Woodcock responded to the FST in relation to this subject and nonsense and rubbish were the main response.
Wonder if the author will keep his job after writing such tripe for click bait. Glorified troll.
I suggested two years ago that Khan's ultimate ambition might well be to own a UK football club and utilise the playing area to its maximum by combining the football with a US franchise at the same ground.
Seemed to make sense to me then and it still does.
How can anybody take an article seriously that contradicts itself? It's a shame that the standard of journalism is so poor these days.
The bottom line is if we had a buyer who actually wanted to finance Fulham then who would care? We have hardly had a great time under Khan. The original article however reads like a thread from a WUM. The quick response by the club and Khans spokesman is appreciated.
Good response from FFC.
Seven words more than necessary, but I suppose it has to be suitable for the kids, too.
Quote from: Tonywa on July 10, 2015, 02:32:42 PM
I suggested two years ago that Khan's ultimate ambition might well be to own a UK football club and utilise the playing area to its maximum by combining the football with a US franchise at the same ground.
Seemed to make sense to me then and it still does.
In the meantime he thought he'd spunk £200m for a laugh on a club that didn't have anywhere near the facilities to host american football, and he thought he'd give the green light to plans to increase the capacity of said inappropriate ground to 30000, again, for a laugh.
NFL is something that I can speak to with some level of confidence. The logistics of a London franchise are complex, requiring buy in from the other owners in the league. What a nightmare the travel would be for the players. I also am unsure of how easy it would be to convince players to relocate to europe as the feeder system for the league is the US college football. While there is opportunity there, I dont this we are anywhere close to this becoming a reality.
Interesting. Thanks!
"These reports are total nonsense and complete fiction."
Well they would say that wouldn't they ?
No proper denial.
What a shame you seem unable to disagree with someone and discuss something without descending to a purile level of sarcasm. Ah well.
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:07:57 PM
"These reports are total nonsense and complete fiction."
Well they would say that wouldn't they ?
No proper denial.
?
Quote from: McBride78 on July 10, 2015, 02:58:18 PM
NFL is something that I can speak to with some level of confidence. The logistics of a London franchise are complex, requiring buy in from the other owners in the league. What a nightmare the travel would be for the players. I also am unsure of how easy it would be to convince players to relocate to europe as the feeder system for the league is the US college football. While there is opportunity there, I dont this we are anywhere close to this becoming a reality.
You say that, but a lot of players would be OK with the idea of living in London. I've been to the press conference of The Jaguars and The Detroit Lions over the past two years when they've stayed over here and a lot of them are of the mindset:
'So long as I'm playing in the NFL, I don't mind where I have to play'
Jim Caldwell, head coach of The Lions even said to me that he was considering holding training camp in England because he loved the facilities and the way they were welcomed by the Brits.
Quote from: Tonywa on July 10, 2015, 03:08:23 PM
What a shame you seem unable to disagree with someone and discuss something without descending to a purile level of sarcasm. Ah well.
Because it's a "discussion" that's been exposed for how stupid it is on numerous occasions. But if you feel you have some enlightening new thoughts to add, be my guest.
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:07:57 PM
"These reports are total nonsense and complete fiction."
Well they would say that wouldn't they ?
No proper denial.
They would say that if it was nonesense. So it is a very proper denial. If untrue what else could they have said to convince you?
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on July 10, 2015, 03:12:02 PM
Quote from: McBride78 on July 10, 2015, 02:58:18 PM
NFL is something that I can speak to with some level of confidence. The logistics of a London franchise are complex, requiring buy in from the other owners in the league. What a nightmare the travel would be for the players. I also am unsure of how easy it would be to convince players to relocate to europe as the feeder system for the league is the US college football. While there is opportunity there, I dont this we are anywhere close to this becoming a reality.
You say that, but a lot of players would be OK with the idea of living in London. I've been to the press conference of The Jaguars and The Detroit Lions over the past two years when they've stayed over here and a lot of them are of the mindset:
'So long as I'm playing in the NFL, I don't mind where I have to play'
Jim Caldwell, head coach of The Lions even said to me that he was considering holding training camp in England because he loved the facilities and the way they were welcomed by the Brits.
It's such a different prospect playing one game a year here, compared with having to play half your 16 games here though.
Sadly some fans have the mindset that Khan is here as the reaper of the club and anything, no matter how much bollo*ks it is, will take some smug delight that the end is nigh. Sad.
Quote from: mike_corkcity12 on July 10, 2015, 12:15:51 PM
Standard Sport understands Khan's plan is at an extremely formative stage, with only informal discussions having taken place with advisers over the possibility of a dramatic deal that would change the football landscape in London.
No contact has been made between Khan and Spurs, while a new stadium has been part of chairman Daniel Levy's grand plan for the north London club since he took over in 2001 and he has no desire to sell.
Slow day for gutter news then? I am amazed at how this rag set the bar for standards so low, and still manages to creep underneath it.
From the Official Club Website:
Evening Standard Reaction
Friday 10 July 2015 14:13
In response to the inaccurate stories in today's Evening Standard, Mr Khan's spokesman Jim Woodcock issued the following statement:
"These reports are total nonsense and complete fiction."
So, if you're ace businessman Khan, which would you want most - the NFL franchise for Jacksonville (population 853,382), or the franchise for London (population 8,630,000) ?
Being NFL World Champions might actually mean something then !
This story has got legs, won't be put down with this denial.
Quote from: Tonywa on July 10, 2015, 02:32:42 PM
I suggested two years ago that Khan's ultimate ambition might well be to own a UK football club and utilise the playing area to its maximum by combining the football with a US franchise at the same ground.
Seemed to make sense to me then and it still does.
And unfortunately your suggestion from 2 years ago has gained no further traction by the release of this piece of tripe journalism (I use the latter word in it's very widest sense) has it?
It might make sense to actually own a footie ground that's both large enough to maintain both sports and has the ability to expand and provide a reasonable profit off it's own back, but as Khan is not a man known to be stupid with making money, and likes to turn a profit of at least some kind, then his purchasing FFC and the Cottage would fly in the face of such ambition, wouldn't it?
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:38:41 PM
So, if you're ace businessman Khan, which would you want most - the NFL franchise for Jacksonville (population 853,382), or the franchise for London (population 8,630,000) ?
Being NFL World Champions might actually mean something then !
This story has got legs, won't be put down with this denial.
Are you a full time wind up merchant?
Quote from: MJG on July 10, 2015, 03:09:54 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:07:57 PM
"These reports are total nonsense and complete fiction."
Well they would say that wouldn't they ?
No proper denial.
?
:plus one:
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on July 10, 2015, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: jj____ on July 10, 2015, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on July 10, 2015, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on July 10, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
So;
No talks
No desire to sell Spurs
No one in the NFL realistically thinks London can have a permanent team
Khan's said time and time again that he doesn't want to move the Jags
The lease on matches at the new WHL is for 10 years
Would Khan really spend 1/3 of his wealth on a team?
Is he that much of an idiot to buy us at a sky high price when we were still in the PL, then sell us at our lowest after only 2 years and when we now look on the up?
I'm annoyed with myself that I spent the time to justify why that article's clearly a load of nonsense.
Don't be so sure about that, Roger Goodell, who is the commissioner of the league (the head guy) sees it as his legacy to put a team overseas. He is all in favour of it
Gooddell works for the 32 owners of the teams in the league, it would take a lot for the owners to agree to such a move. Logistically it doesn't make sense and most fans are adamantly opposed to the idea.
Imagine being a Jacksonville fan and being told that your beloved club is moving across the ocean to London. Astonishing such things are allowed to happen.
You obviously have no idea how sports fanchises work in the USA.
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:38:41 PM
So, if you're ace businessman Khan, which would you want most - the NFL franchise for Jacksonville (population 853,382), or the franchise for London (population 8,630,000) ?
Being NFL World Champions might actually mean something then !
This story has got legs, won't be put down with this denial.
So, if you're an ace businessman who supposedly wants to move his NFL football club to London, which would you do - buy a London club and ground with no hope of ever meeting the qualifications of hosting an NFL team while simultaneously spending approximately $200 million in upgrades on a stadium in Jacksonville that you plan on abandoning, or forgoing all that unnecessary spending to get a deal that would actually make some sense?
Being NFL World Champions wouldn't mean anything more than it does now.
The story has stubs at best and has been walking on them far too long now. It drives page hits and retweets for the Standard which is the whole point.
Of course Khan wouldn't waste $200m on stadium improvements. He didn't pay, the local council did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverBank_Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverBank_Field)
Actions speak louder than words. Get us 2 CBS, a LB and a DCM shad then we'll all be happy.
If I were Khan I'd sue the evening standard
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 04:08:46 PM
Of course Khan wouldn't waste $200m on stadium improvements. He didn't pay, the local council did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverBank_Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverBank_Field)
My mistake. I know that I've seen that number, or something similar, related to the Khan, the Jaguars, and development. Perhaps it was in an article related to the shipyards development that he is proposing to the city.
So, that aside, would you have bought Fulham and Craven Cottage, knowing that it couldn't possibly be developed in a way that would support housing an NFL team....if the London NFL team was your end game?
Having one NFL team permanently in London is basically impossible due to scheduling/time zone issues. There's no way for a team to play eight games there without creating competitive disadvantages.
So, that aside, would you have bought Fulham and Craven Cottage, knowing that it couldn't possibly be developed in a way that would support housing an NFL team....if the London NFL team was your end game?
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Yes, because what Khan 051 thought he was buying was a Prem franchise. No doubt thought he could shift the team to Wembley in combination with the Jaguars and flog the Cottage for housing. Or develop a new stadium for both in West London. But now that Spurs has become available....
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on July 10, 2015, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: jj____ on July 10, 2015, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on July 10, 2015, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on July 10, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
So;
No talks
No desire to sell Spurs
No one in the NFL realistically thinks London can have a permanent team
Khan's said time and time again that he doesn't want to move the Jags
The lease on matches at the new WHL is for 10 years
Would Khan really spend 1/3 of his wealth on a team?
Is he that much of an idiot to buy us at a sky high price when we were still in the PL, then sell us at our lowest after only 2 years and when we now look on the up?
I'm annoyed with myself that I spent the time to justify why that article's clearly a load of nonsense.
Don't be so sure about that, Roger Goodell, who is the commissioner of the league (the head guy) sees it as his legacy to put a team overseas. He is all in favour of it
Gooddell works for the 32 owners of the teams in the league, it would take a lot for the owners to agree to such a move. Logistically it doesn't make sense and most fans are adamantly opposed to the idea.
Imagine being a Jacksonville fan and being told that your beloved club is moving across the ocean to London. Astonishing such things are allowed to happen.
As a Jaguar and Fulham fan (Jags long before Fulham, and Fulham long before Khan), I have no fear of the Jags moving from Jacksonville any time soon. Ain't happening.
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:07:57 PM
"These reports are total nonsense and complete fiction."
Well they would say that wouldn't they ?
No proper denial.
Sounds like complete denial to me!
Quote from: Denver Fulham on July 10, 2015, 04:49:51 PM
Having one NFL team permanently in London is basically impossible due to scheduling/time zone issues. There's no way for a team to play eight games there without creating competitive disadvantages.
They would have to either play all their home games first or all of their away games first, the time zone travel week and week about would be impossible.
I can't see any owner agreeing to that kind of advantage for a home team. Also if they won home field advantage in the playoffs, that really would be an advantage.
Big Foot is roaming the Rockies. Area 51 has a crashed UFO. Nessi is alive and well at Lock Ness. Hillary Clinton is honest. Iran doesn't want a nuke. Greece will pay the money back. The Easter Bunny is busy coloring eggs. Santa is is packing his sleigh. And Chicken Little is running around the Hamster Wheel.
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I like the statement, i think its more forceful than a long drawn out one.
Its nuts, lets move on.
Instead of you know like 6 paragraphs emphasizing how it wont happen, I always think the longer ones are less truthful, you know like the 5 paragraph ones clubs release in support of their manager.
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 10, 2015, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:07:57 PM
"These reports are total nonsense and complete fiction."
Well they would say that wouldn't they ?
No proper denial.
They would say that if it was nonesense. So it is a very proper denial. If untrue what else could they have said to convince you?
I thought it most unlike FFC actually coming out with an timely and unequivical response killing the story dead. Most unlike us in the past when the club just sat on its hands until the story slowly died away, so refreshing this new engaged approach long may it continue
Quote from: Fulham76 on July 10, 2015, 05:02:27 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:07:57 PM
"These reports are total nonsense and complete fiction."
Well they would say that wouldn't they ?
No proper denial.
Sounds like complete denial to me!
:plus one:
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:07:57 PM
"These reports are total nonsense and complete fiction."
Well they would say that wouldn't they ?
No proper denial.
So what would a "proper" denial be?
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 04:54:33 PM
So, that aside, would you have bought Fulham and Craven Cottage, knowing that it couldn't possibly be developed in a way that would support housing an NFL team....if the London NFL team was your end game?
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Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 04:54:33 PM
So, that aside, would you have bought Fulham and Craven Cottage, knowing that it couldn't possibly be developed in a way that would support housing an NFL team....if the London NFL team was your end game?
Yes, because what Khan 051 thought he was buying was a Prem franchise. No doubt thought he could shift the team to Wembley in combination with the Jaguars and flog the Cottage for housing. Or develop a new stadium for both in West London. But now that Spurs has become available....
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Yes, because what Khan 051 thought he was buying was a Prem franchise. No doubt thought he could shift the team to Wembley in combination with the Jaguars and flog the Cottage for housing. Or develop a new stadium for both in West London. But now that Spurs has become available....
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So you are saying Shad is stupid?
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:07:57 PM
"These reports are total nonsense and complete fiction."
Well they would say that wouldn't they ?
No proper denial.
I am at a loss to understand what you think a "proper denial" might be
They said it is total nonsense and complete fiction - if it is not true as seems likely there is not much else to be said and absolutely nothing to discuss
The only things that has not been denied is that Levy thinks he would have a money maker if he hosted NFL games at Spuds new ground - I would guess this would be instead of holding them at Wembley
Load of crap. Do you think he will spend a possible 25% of his worth on this ? Think again.
As I posted over 2 months ago ---- the rumour in Florida was that Khan was actively starting to look for a purchaser - the ono good thing is that Khan says that 2015/6 is a *** or bust season and KS has to get promotion - Khan will put money in ....but only to recoup his investment (obviously)
A sample schedule: (I know a lot of these teams aren't in their league but some are)
week 1 Jacksonville v Dallas
week 2 San Deigo v Jax
week 3 Jax v Seattle
week 4 Green Bay v Jax
week 5 free date
week 6 Jax v New England (now there's a tasty fixture)
week 7 Redskins v Jax
etc ....etc
The obvious solution is to have 2 completely different groups of players, staff and 2 wage bills
One based in London, the other in the US
Maybe alternate them every year.
The season is only 4/5 months so the London based players could fly their families over to London
every now and then to see their wife and kids and get some nooky.
To supplement their time and salaries the London players could do part time work for Fulham like
turnstiles, rubbish collection after each game, stewarding (that could be a winner) and maybe play
every other week for Harlequins , who could contribute towards their wages.
Couple that with some PR work for the Jaguars, charity and fund raising work and free rides on the London Eye and the Silver Barracuda, how happier could they be ?
The US-based team could go about their normal lives except they would also have lots of free time, only playing every 2 weeks (3 in a couple of cases) but the personal appearances and other things that very rich large people do should keep them amused and they'd be close to their Grandparents.
Just as well a 1 hour games lasts 4/5 hours what else would they do every other Sunday.
This I firmly believe was Mr Khan's long term plan all along except for moving FFC to a bigger purpose built stadium on Dudley Moor near Brum, renaming the club, Dudley Moors.
Can the doubters see how this would work and is feasible ?
I bet he hadn't thought of the Harlequins thingy though
One up to me Mr Khan
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on July 10, 2015, 07:46:57 PM
A sample schedule: (I know a lot of these teams aren't in their league but some are)
week 1 Jacksonville v Dallas
week 2 San Deigo v Jax
week 3 Jax v Seattle
week 4 Green Bay v Jax
week 5 free date
week 6 Jax v New England (now there's a tasty fixture)
week 7 Redskins v Jax
etc ....etc
The obvious solution is to have 2 completely different groups of players, staff and 2 wage bills
One based in London, the other in the US
Maybe alternate them every year.
The season is only 4/5 months so the London based players could fly their families over to London
every now and then to see their wife and kids and get some nooky.
To supplement their time and salaries the London players could do part time work for Fulham like
turnstiles, rubbish collection after each game, stewarding (that could be a winner) and maybe play
every other week for Harlequins , who could contribute towards their wages.
Couple that with some PR work for the Jaguars, charity and fund raising work and free rides on the London Eye and the Silver Barracuda, how happier could they be ?
The US-based team could go about their normal lives except they would also have lots of free time, only playing every 2 weeks (3 in a couple of cases) but the personal appearances and other things that very rich large people do should keep them amused and they'd be close to their Grandparents.
Just as well a 1 hour games lasts 4/5 hours what else would they do every other Sunday.
This I firmly believe was Mr Khan's long term plan all along except for moving FFC to a bigger purpose built stadium on Dudley Moor near Brum, renaming the club, Dudley Moors.
Can the doubters see how this would work and is feasible ?
I bet he hadn't thought of the Harlequins thingy though
One up to me Mr Khan
I was going over this last night with my American housemate, and we thought that the best thing to would be to go 4-8-4. So four games at home, then eight away, then end the year with four games at home. Then the next year, you switch the arrangement, so it's four away, eight home, four away
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 04:54:33 PM
So, that aside, would you have bought Fulham and Craven Cottage, knowing that it couldn't possibly be developed in a way that would support housing an NFL team....if the London NFL team was your end game?
Yes, because what Khan 051 thought he was buying was a Prem franchise. No doubt thought he could shift the team to Wembley in combination with the Jaguars and flog the Cottage for housing. Or develop a new stadium for both in West London. But now that Spurs has become available....
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So, your version of a highly successful businessman is one who repeatedly bold face lies to his entire fanbase both in Jacksonville and in London about redeveloping the Londoners' storied ground with a brand new stand, going thru the many hoops to not only get approvals for that work but to take on buying portions of the Thames, etc all to hide the fact that he's somehow secretly going to take over an impossibly difficult stadium for Fulham to fill but also for the Jaguars to fill. They aren't the Dallas Cowboys in case you haven't recognized.
And, even when they arrived, the London Conspirators just won't work. You can't expect a team to have a sporting chance in this kind of league when it has to spend a minimum of 20 hours traveling every other week. That's physical recovery time that they have to have.
Keep worrying about Khan's black whisper copters coming to demolish The Cottage if you must. It's time you could be wasting on something far more interesting.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on July 10, 2015, 07:46:57 PM
A sample schedule: (I know a lot of these teams aren't in their league but some are)
week 1 Jacksonville v Dallas
week 2 San Deigo v Jax
week 3 Jax v Seattle
week 4 Green Bay v Jax
week 5 free date
week 6 Jax v New England (now there's a tasty fixture)
week 7 Redskins v Jax
etc ....etc
The obvious solution is to have 2 completely different groups of players, staff and 2 wage bills
One based in London, the other in the US
Maybe alternate them every year.
The season is only 4/5 months so the London based players could fly their families over to London
every now and then to see their wife and kids and get some nooky.
To supplement their time and salaries the London players could do part time work for Fulham like
turnstiles, rubbish collection after each game, stewarding (that could be a winner) and maybe play
every other week for Harlequins , who could contribute towards their wages.
Couple that with some PR work for the Jaguars, charity and fund raising work and free rides on the London Eye and the Silver Barracuda, how happier could they be ?
The US-based team could go about their normal lives except they would also have lots of free time, only playing every 2 weeks (3 in a couple of cases) but the personal appearances and other things that very rich large people do should keep them amused and they'd be close to their Grandparents.
Just as well a 1 hour games lasts 4/5 hours what else would they do every other Sunday.
This I firmly believe was Mr Khan's long term plan all along except for moving FFC to a bigger purpose built stadium on Dudley Moor near Brum, renaming the club, Dudley Moors.
Can the doubters see how this would work and is feasible ?
I bet he hadn't thought of the Harlequins thingy though
One up to me Mr Khan
So we would change the entire salary cap rules to allow the London franchise to afford two competitive squads of players? Also, you could see other teams allowing the London team to have rested fresh players who do not have to play a full season and be decimated by injuries and the wear and tear of the NFL season? I never see that happening in the next 10-15 years. I think if you want a long term sustainable NFL presence in Europe, you need to locate 6-8 pilot franchises in Europe. Then create a world Championship game where the European champion plays the NFL Super Bowl Champion. It will take longer to build this, but this model works for long term without burdening the American based teams with the costs of travel and inconvenience of the travel.
Most situations go to a vote of the owners of the league if I understand it. Can you see the owners voting for any situation that reduces thier competitive advantage. Also as toodles says, recovery time...etc.
A standard NFL week looks like Monday off after the game. Full work day on Tuesday with film study and game planning. Full work day Wednesday through Saturday with practice, film study and walk through. Travel Saturday and play Sunday. I don't see teams doing the travel and giving up the preparation.
As for the earlier comment about folks being OK with living in London.....some may. But many will not be. It is a disadvantage in free agency (our version of the transfer window, except all players are on the Free).
"the ono good thing is that Khan says that 2015/6 is a *** or bust season and KS has to get promotion - Khan will put money in ....but only to recoup his investment (obviously)"
If that is true (big IF), Khan is indeed the fool that his decisions thus far suggest.
So we would change the entire salary cap rules to allow the London franchise to afford two competitive squads of players?
At the moment he does not have ONE competitive squad of players - so how long will it take to recruit TWO :005:
Quote from: McBride78 on July 10, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on July 10, 2015, 07:46:57 PM
A sample schedule: (I know a lot of these teams aren't in their league but some are)
week 1 Jacksonville v Dallas
week 2 San Deigo v Jax
week 3 Jax v Seattle
week 4 Green Bay v Jax
week 5 free date
week 6 Jax v New England (now there's a tasty fixture)
week 7 Redskins v Jax
etc ....etc
The obvious solution is to have 2 completely different groups of players, staff and 2 wage bills
One based in London, the other in the US
Maybe alternate them every year.
The season is only 4/5 months so the London based players could fly their families over to London
every now and then to see their wife and kids and get some nooky.
To supplement their time and salaries the London players could do part time work for Fulham like
turnstiles, rubbish collection after each game, stewarding (that could be a winner) and maybe play
every other week for Harlequins , who could contribute towards their wages.
Couple that with some PR work for the Jaguars, charity and fund raising work and free rides on the London Eye and the Silver Barracuda, how happier could they be ?
The US-based team could go about their normal lives except they would also have lots of free time, only playing every 2 weeks (3 in a couple of cases) but the personal appearances and other things that very rich large people do should keep them amused and they'd be close to their Grandparents.
Just as well a 1 hour games lasts 4/5 hours what else would they do every other Sunday.
This I firmly believe was Mr Khan's long term plan all along except for moving FFC to a bigger purpose built stadium on Dudley Moor near Brum, renaming the club, Dudley Moors.
Can the doubters see how this would work and is feasible ?
I bet he hadn't thought of the Harlequins thingy though
One up to me Mr Khan
So we would change the entire salary cap rules to allow the London franchise to afford two competitive squads of players? Also, you could see other teams allowing the London team to have rested fresh players who do not have to play a full season and be decimated by injuries and the wear and tear of the NFL season? I never see that happening in the next 10-15 years. I think if you want a long term sustainable NFL presence in Europe, you need to locate 6-8 pilot franchises in Europe. Then create a world Championship game where the European champion plays the NFL Super Bowl Champion. It will take longer to build this, but this model works for long term without burdening the American based teams with the costs of travel and inconvenience of the travel.
Most situations go to a vote of the owners of the league if I understand it. Can you see the owners voting for any situation that reduces thier competitive advantage. Also as toodles says, recovery time...etc.
A standard NFL week looks like Monday off after the game. Full work day on Tuesday with film study and game planning. Full work day Wednesday through Saturday with practice, film study and walk through. Travel Saturday and play Sunday. I don't see teams doing the travel and giving up the preparation.
As for the earlier comment about folks being OK with living in London.....some may. But many will not be. It is a disadvantage in free agency (our version of the transfer window, except all players are on the Free).
Unless the NFL can find some way to educate potential fans/supporters in England on a large scale and without coming across as condescending, I don't see the NFL in London experiment lasting in any way beyond the 1 or 2 games per season that they are doing now. If it's once or twice a season, it remains a novelty somewhat - a good day out . Beyond that, serious issues with fan attitude about the game being too slow and not understanding the rules will become difficult obstacles to overcome IMO.
Quote from: Roberty on July 10, 2015, 09:28:52 PM
So we would change the entire salary cap rules to allow the London franchise to afford two competitive squads of players?
At the moment he does not have ONE competitive squad of players - so how long will it take to recruit TWO :005:
Agreed. Cant get players to come to the sunshine state here in the US. That team is a mess. I think if you just waived the salary cap and let the spend his whole fortune and that team would not make a deep playoff run. While the joke was a good one, the point stands that the rules of the league would have to be completely blown up to make this happen. I would like to see a revisit of NFL Europe, which was active in the 1990s. London had a team in that league, did they not? Along with one team in Germany (Frankfort Galaxy maybe?). Who else was in that league?
Amsterdam Admirals 1995–2007
Barcelona Dragons 1991–2003
Berlin Thunder 1999–2007
Cologne Centurions 2004–2007
Frankfurt Galaxy 1991–2007
Hamburg Sea Devils 2005–2007
London Monarchs 1991–1998
Rhein Fire 1995–2007
Scottish Claymores 1995–2004
The nice thing about threads like this is that it makes it very easy to see who the rational and sane posters are, vs the silly, irrational dunces.
Quote from: FortCollinsFulham on July 10, 2015, 10:01:25 PM
The nice thing about threads like this is that it makes it very easy to see who the rational and sane posters are, vs the silly, irrational dunces.
where would you put me then ?
Surely this thread should have been titled NFR Joke!!!
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on July 10, 2015, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: FortCollinsFulham on July 10, 2015, 10:01:25 PM
The nice thing about threads like this is that it makes it very easy to see who the rational and sane posters are, vs the silly, irrational dunces.
where would you put me then ?
The silly ones aren't the people discussing the possibility of an NFL team in London, the silly ones are the people believing this farcical, drivel, shrouded as journalism.
I haven't been on the forum for a while but I wish I had. This is the funniest thing I have seen for years. Khan buys us then sells to buy a better team because of what! He could afford any team! Khan builds the biggest screen in existence in Jacksonville so he can move the franchise to the uk and create the biggest drive in. Yes that makes sense. If people still think khan is a James Bond villan then fair enough but the reality is that he wants us to do well and if we are in the top flight in five years time he will earn more money than he would've paying tax off his original investment.
Let me put it to you like this.; if he invested his money in an English bank he would get 0.05% interest. He bought a PL team that then flopped. If we get back to the PL he could sell us and get more than he paid. More than the banks would give him interest. He won't walk away worse off IF we get promoted. Good bussiness for a bussiness man. Mof, great man he is walked away with a profit on FFc. Mainly down to him taking a risk but he got more than he gave. That isn't to say when he gave it wasn't a risk. It was a big risk but it paid off and he took more money than he gave fulham. Nine times out of ten he would be poorer but that isn't what happened. Khan is guessing the right to English football will rise and if he has a team for ten years he will get better than 0.05% on his investment. If we are a PL team he will get a better return on his money than 0.05%. We better all hope he does or we will be a championship team if not worse for a while.
I don't believe this story. The only way a London franchise team would work, if at all, is if seven or eight other teams were created and their inaugural seasons implemented at the same time, teams from Europe (Manchester, Liverpool, Berlin, etc.) which play in their own conference, and only occasionally play in inter-conference games requiring flights across the Atlantic. Wouldn't we hear rumours of other such nascent teams in the works, if any of this were true? Yet we aren't hearing of anything other than some cock and bull story about Khan and Fulham. Just don't believe it.
Typical Evening Sub Standard. They have always had a downer on us.
It's in the Sub Standard. Says it all!
I still cant believe there was a story about us in the Standard, no hang on it was about Spurs normality has been resumed.
I am afraid it is all true. But there is one difference . Fulham Franchise is to be moved to Jacksonville. We will play 10 home games there and to help the away teams expenses, will pay a big percentage of the travel. They will try to deny it but I can quote to you an insider.
' This window looks just like normal space yet I cannot go through the invisible barrier'. says a fly on the wall, well window.
I would be happy if this story is true, as long as khan is replaced by an owner who a) understands uk football industry and b) shows an interest in our club by attending most games
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 02:08:18 PM
Story makes total sense to me. Khan certainly didn't buy Fulham to watch the football. He's a dealmaker. The Spurs owners want to sell, they're building an NFL stadium, he's got an NFL team who are very transportable.
This has got a very good chance of happening.
Hopefully Fulham will end up with a new owner who doesn't appoint German cheese lovers as managers.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but NFL teams are NOT "very transportable".
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 03:38:41 PM
So, if you're ace businessman Khan, which would you want most - the NFL franchise for Jacksonville (population 853,382), or the franchise for London (population 8,630,000) ?
Being NFL World Champions might actually mean something then !
This story has got legs, won't be put down with this denial.
Jacksonville, hands down. You can count the number of current (and future) supporters of NFL football in London (or the UK or even Europe as a whole) on one hand (OK, maybe two).
Quote from: HamsterWheel on July 10, 2015, 04:54:33 PM
So, that aside, would you have bought Fulham and Craven Cottage, knowing that it couldn't possibly be developed in a way that would support housing an NFL team....if the London NFL team was your end game?
Yes, because what Khan 051 thought he was buying was a Prem franchise. No doubt thought he could shift the team to Wembley in combination with the Jaguars and flog the Cottage for housing. Or develop a new stadium for both in West London. But now that Spurs has become available....
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"Flog the Cottage for housing"? It ain't possible; you really should do your homework and keep up with the history of this contentious topic.
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 11, 2015, 11:24:37 AM
I am afraid it is all true. But there is one difference . Fulham Franchise is to be moved to Jacksonville. We will play 10 home games there and to help the away teams expenses, will pay a big percentage of the travel. They will try to deny it but I can quote to you an insider.
' This window looks just like normal space yet I cannot go through the invisible barrier'. says a fly on the wall, well window.
Excellent News, at least I'll get to see them 10 times a season then, it's a mere 900 miles, or 13 hours drive to the likes of you and me (Well, perhaps not you).
winter in Florida would have been nice...
Quote from: Logicalman on July 11, 2015, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 11, 2015, 11:24:37 AM
I am afraid it is all true. But there is one difference . Fulham Franchise is to be moved to Jacksonville. We will play 10 home games there and to help the away teams expenses, will pay a big percentage of the travel. They will try to deny it but I can quote to you an insider.
' This window looks just like normal space yet I cannot go through the invisible barrier'. says a fly on the wall, well window.
Excellent News, at least I'll get to see them 10 times a season then, it's a mere 900 miles, or 13 hours drive to the likes of you and me (Well, perhaps not you).
Sign me up, we will have the most amazing home support ever.
why would he want to even if true. it would cost a billion up to buy spurs, then he would no doubt have to cough up the money on stadium upgrades. and even when all this was done, he would have less bums on seats than he does now. also wont sponser money go down due to never being shown at prime time slots due to the time difference. and isnt there a law stating that stadia have to something like 90% full before games can be shown live? its one thing filling out wembley for the odd game, but it will be another thing trying to get 60k into spurs week in week out especially when you only ever see the same 4/5 teams every single year
I doubted the story right from the start . Spurs have a strong Jewish connection who Ithink would be concerned at getting a Muslim owner. I went on the Jags site and the same denial is on there from the owners . The Jags forum were also scornful of the story saying its just not feasible for their paying fans. One chap said Fulham are a hot mess ! Interesting use of the English lanquage.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 11, 2015, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 11, 2015, 11:24:37 AM
I am afraid it is all true. But there is one difference . Fulham Franchise is to be moved to Jacksonville. We will play 10 home games there and to help the away teams expenses, will pay a big percentage of the travel. They will try to deny it but I can quote to you an insider.
' This window looks just like normal space yet I cannot go through the invisible barrier'. says a fly on the wall, well window.
Excellent News, at least I'll get to see them 10 times a season then, it's a mere 900 miles, or 13 hours drive to the likes of you and me (Well, perhaps not you).
Well clearly you are going to offer to put me up for the games. So I don't mind helping with the driving. As long as I don't have to drive on the same side of the road as the rest of you. Damn I wish it WAS true now.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 11, 2015, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 11, 2015, 11:24:37 AM
I am afraid it is all true. But there is one difference . Fulham Franchise is to be moved to Jacksonville. We will play 10 home games there and to help the away teams expenses, will pay a big percentage of the travel. They will try to deny it but I can quote to you an insider.
' This window looks just like normal space yet I cannot go through the invisible barrier'. says a fly on the wall, well window.
Excellent News, at least I'll get to see them 10 times a season then, it's a mere 900 miles, or 13 hours drive to the likes of you and me (Well, perhaps not you).
Great for me, I'm only 600 miles away.
If this goes through I might move down there and open a B+B so that you and Sue, HD, Jim, Chris, Andrew and Coastie, Don, Jon et al could subsidize my mortgage.
I'd call it Torremolinos B+B, paint the outside pink and stencil pretty flowers on the outside and offer English breakfast "like your mother would make it" and Watneys Red Barrel.
The potential is enormous
http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/sport/tottenham-hotspur/spurs_reveal_new_plans_for_stadium_and_a_deal_to_host_nfl_games_1_4144638 (http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/sport/tottenham-hotspur/spurs_reveal_new_plans_for_stadium_and_a_deal_to_host_nfl_games_1_4144638)
Tottenham Hotspur have revealed new plans for their stadium – and they include a deal to stage NFL games.
Under the revision for the Northumberland Development Project, the capacity of the state-of-the-art stadium will rise from the 56,250 originally envisaged to 61,000, while more attention has also been given to housing and recreational facilities for Tottenham residents.
The piece de resistance, though, may be the partnership with the NFL as part of the club's vision to see the facility in use 365 days a year.
A minimum of two American Football games a year will be staged under a 10-year agreement, with the new stadium set to feature a retractable grass pitch for football and an artificial surface underneath for NFL usage.
Having the separate surfaces will give greater flexibility when it comes to scheduling NFL fixtures, while the field will have the capacity to stage other sporting entertainment and community events.
Spurs chairman Daniel Levy said: "We have an opportunity now to deliver one of the most unique sports, leisure and entertainment venues in the world, bringing together the EPL [Premier League] and NFL for the first time."
Tottenham envisage that, when complete, their new stadium will help to produce tangible benefits for the community, supporting 1,700 extra jobs and raising annual spend out into the borough to £293million.
Levy added: "The socio- economic benefits this will bring to the area will be immense and demonstrates our commitment to the regeneration of this priority borough in London."
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 11, 2015, 11:40:31 PM
http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/sport/tottenham-hotspur/spurs_reveal_new_plans_for_stadium_and_a_deal_to_host_nfl_games_1_4144638 (http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/sport/tottenham-hotspur/spurs_reveal_new_plans_for_stadium_and_a_deal_to_host_nfl_games_1_4144638)
Tottenham Hotspur have revealed new plans for their stadium – and they include a deal to stage NFL games.
Under the revision for the Northumberland Development Project, the capacity of the state-of-the-art stadium will rise from the 56,250 originally envisaged to 61,000, while more attention has also been given to housing and recreational facilities for Tottenham residents.
The piece de resistance, though, may be the partnership with the NFL as part of the club's vision to see the facility in use 365 days a year.
A minimum of two American Football games a year will be staged under a 10-year agreement, with the new stadium set to feature a retractable grass pitch for football and an artificial surface underneath for NFL usage.
Having the separate surfaces will give greater flexibility when it comes to scheduling NFL fixtures, while the field will have the capacity to stage other sporting entertainment and community events.
Spurs chairman Daniel Levy said: "We have an opportunity now to deliver one of the most unique sports, leisure and entertainment venues in the world, bringing together the EPL [Premier League] and NFL for the first time."
Tottenham envisage that, when complete, their new stadium will help to produce tangible benefits for the community, supporting 1,700 extra jobs and raising annual spend out into the borough to £293million.
Levy added: "The socio- economic benefits this will bring to the area will be immense and demonstrates our commitment to the regeneration of this priority borough in London."
So. what that says is that Spurs will get the 2 games a year that Wembley has been getting
maybe/maybe not including Jaguars fixtures, which would be strange
I can't see how it will be in operation 365 days a year unless they open a lunchtime Chinese
or salt beef sannie takeaway (no detriment intended) or a Pie and Mash shop in competition
with David Beckham.
That'll go down with the US NFL players
"What's this green stuff" ?
"well it's actually..................................."
Absolutely nothing about selling to Mr Khan
surprise........surprise, conspiracy theorists
PST: rumour has it that.................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on July 11, 2015, 04:45:38 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on July 11, 2015, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 11, 2015, 11:24:37 AM
I am afraid it is all true. But there is one difference . Fulham Franchise is to be moved to Jacksonville. We will play 10 home games there and to help the away teams expenses, will pay a big percentage of the travel. They will try to deny it but I can quote to you an insider.
' This window looks just like normal space yet I cannot go through the invisible barrier'. says a fly on the wall, well window.
Excellent News, at least I'll get to see them 10 times a season then, it's a mere 900 miles, or 13 hours drive to the likes of you and me (Well, perhaps not you).
Great for me, I'm only 600 miles away.
If this goes through I might move down there and open a B+B so that you and Sue, HD, Jim, Chris, Andrew and Coastie, Don, Jon et al could subsidize my mortgage.
I'd call it Torremolinos B+B, paint the outside pink and stencil pretty flowers on the outside and offer English breakfast "like your mother would make it" and Watneys Red Barrel.
The potential is enormous
There'll need to be a Thomas's Eel and Pie shop somewhere near, with almost constant drizzle and a few pea souper fogs to make it anything like the great days of yore..........
..but then again, perhaps I forgot the bronchitis and the chilblains from wearing wellies as we watched Haynes, Lawler, Black, Hill, Bacuzzi et al in those days...
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 11, 2015, 01:53:00 AM
I haven't been on the forum for a while but I wish I had. This is the funniest thing I have seen for years. Khan buys us then sells to buy a better team because of what! He could afford any team! Khan builds the biggest screen in existence in Jacksonville so he can move the franchise to the uk and create the biggest drive in. Yes that makes sense. If people still think khan is a James Bond villan then fair enough but the reality is that he wants us to do well and if we are in the top flight in five years time he will earn more money than he would've paying tax off his original investment.
Let me put it to you like this.; if he invested his money in an English bank he would get 0.05% interest. He bought a PL team that then flopped. If we get back to the PL he could sell us and get more than he paid. More than the banks would give him interest. He won't walk away worse off IF we get promoted. Good bussiness for a bussiness man. Mof, great man he is walked away with a profit on FFc. Mainly down to him taking a risk but he got more than he gave. That isn't to say when he gave it wasn't a risk. It was a big risk but it paid off and he took more money than he gave fulham. Nine times out of ten he would be poorer but that isn't what happened. Khan is guessing the right to English football will rise and if he has a team for ten years he will get better than 0.05% on his investment. If we are a PL team he will get a better return on his money than 0.05%. We better all hope he does or we will be a championship team if not worse for a while.
I hope you're not looking for a career as a fnancial advisor!
Of course the story is rubbish, but so are some of the comments on here. 0.05% percent interest!! And how much did the Glazers put into ManU when they bought the club? Spurs may be worth £1b but that doesn't mean a buyer has to come up with £1b.
Jellied eels, yum yum. Been a while since I had them
Quote from: Zendra on July 11, 2015, 02:31:02 PM
I doubted the story right from the start . Spurs have a strong Jewish connection who Ithink would be concerned at getting a Muslim owner. I went on the Jags site and the same denial is on there from the owners . The Jags forum were also scornful of the story saying its just not feasible for their paying fans. One chap said Fulham are a hot mess ! Interesting use of the English lanquage.
Never know which slang translates or doesnt. If Hot Mess is not used in England - it is American slang originally for a gal you dont want to take home to mom, perhaps a mistake late night at closing time at the pub. Slightly attractive gal who has issues that make her unattractive, ie....crazy chick. Now it is applied to any complicated mess that you should stay away from.
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I am afraid it is all true. But there is one difference . Fulham Franchise is to be moved to Jacksonville. We will play 10 home games there and to help the away teams expenses, will pay a big percentage of the travel. They will try to deny it but I can quote to you an insider.
' This window looks just like normal space yet I cannot go through the invisible barrier'. says a fly on the wall, well window.
Excellent News, at least I'll get to see them 10 times a season then, it's a mere 900 miles, or 13 hours drive to the likes of you and me (Well, perhaps not you).
Great for me, I'm only 600 miles away.
If this goes through I might move down there and open a B+B so that you and Sue, HD, Jim, Chris, Andrew and Coastie, Don, Jon et al could subsidize my mortgage.
I'd call it Torremolinos B+B, paint the outside pink and stencil pretty flowers on the outside and offer English breakfast "like your mother would make it" and Watneys Red Barrel.
The potential is enormous
There'll need to be a Thomas's Eel and Pie shop somewhere near, with almost constant drizzle and a few pea souper fogs to make it anything like the great days of yore..........
..but then again, perhaps I forgot the bronchitis and the chilblains from wearing wellies as we watched Haynes, Lawler, Black, Hill, Bacuzzi et al in those days...
Ah, but don't forget the snake & pigmy pie as well (just for info, if you like the pies like 'mother used to make' - for those whose mother did a good pie that is - then we have a great British Pie lady up here in Indy, does a roaring trade amongst the Brit community here).
Oh, and don't forget the Pie 'n' Mash as well, with that lovely sauce.
Pie 'n' Mash, loverly jubberly. By the way, the sauce is called liquor (no, it's not alcoholics). You surely remember Taylor's in The Broadway Logicalman? Perhaps not, they knocked it down when the built Ammersmith Flyover.
On Khan first press conference he did really well, until the sky journo mentioned Jackson vile jaguars, he then became uneasy, and was lost for words, he has no interest in ffc or Spurs for that matter, all he cares about is a global stage for the jags, simple as, I would be worried if I was a spurs fan, if he bought them they would just about stay up, history tells me this
Quote from: Peabody on July 13, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
Pie 'n' Mash, loverly jubberly. By the way, the sauce is called liquor (no, it's not alcoholics). You surely remember Taylor's in The Broadway Logicalman? Perhaps not, they knocked it down when the built Ammersmith Flyover.
There was a pie n mash shop in Lillie Rd right near the North End Road junction, back in the 60's (early 70's?). They had the big sinks in the window with Live eels in! Blooming luvverly! I remember it had queues on a Saturday.
Quote from: fulham traveller on July 13, 2015, 07:22:26 PM
On Khan first press conference he did really well, until the sky journo mentioned Jackson vile jaguars, he then became uneasy, and was lost for words, he has no interest in ffc or Spurs for that matter, all he cares about is a global stage for the jags, simple as, I would be worried if I was a spurs fan, if he bought them they would just about stay up, history tells me this
So Khan stumbles on a question about American football and, from that, you infer that he doesn't care about Fulham at all??
And, really, why would he give a mouse toot about Spurs? He has absolutely no vested interest in that club and they don't play in the same division as his own club.
Quote from: fulham traveller on July 13, 2015, 07:22:26 PM
On Khan first press conference he did really well, until the sky journo mentioned Jackson vile jaguars, he then became uneasy, and was lost for words, he has no interest in ffc or Spurs for that matter, all he cares about is a global stage for the jags, simple as, I would be worried if I was a spurs fan, if he bought them they would just about stay up, history tells me this
I think the way you wrote 'Jackson Vile Jaguars" say a lot
can anyone seriously see shad turning down this http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/Vision-for-Shipyards-Development-presented-by-Shad-Khan/bb07c93d-06ac-4603-a24e-bfa70d613508 (http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/Vision-for-Shipyards-Development-presented-by-Shad-Khan/bb07c93d-06ac-4603-a24e-bfa70d613508) to move his team to a country he rarely visits
Quote from: fulhamben on July 13, 2015, 07:50:53 PM
can anyone seriously see shad turning down this http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/Vision-for-Shipyards-Development-presented-by-Shad-Khan/bb07c93d-06ac-4603-a24e-bfa70d613508 (http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/Vision-for-Shipyards-Development-presented-by-Shad-Khan/bb07c93d-06ac-4603-a24e-bfa70d613508) to move his team to a country he rarely visits
Nope. And that stadium will be an anchor for the development, the city will certainly have assurances from Khan about the Jaguars "permanence" in that location.
He is more than a god in Jacksonville.
The reception he received at the FFC game was 'tumultuous'
and he deserved and loved every minute of it.
Business is business but he doesn't do ridiculous business from what I can see.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on July 13, 2015, 08:38:10 PM
He is more than a god in Jacksonville.
The reception he received at the FFC game was 'tumultuous'
and he deserved and loved every minute of it.
Business is business but he doesn't do ridiculous business from what I can see.
I would concur, the reception he got was fantastic. There were many people who came to the match just because it was something else that he was offering, no affiliation with Fulham, just Jaguars fans out for a day. There was obvious excitement outside of the sports bar we were at when he was just walking the street. If his vision for FFC is anything like it is for Jacksonville we are in for a treat.
I cant see him making a loss on us just to move to spuds new location. It just doesn't make sense.
I guess a simple statement from Kahn would put an end to this thread
Quote from: GloucesterWhite on July 12, 2015, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 11, 2015, 01:53:00 AM
I haven't been on the forum for a while but I wish I had. This is the funniest thing I have seen for years. Khan buys us then sells to buy a better team because of what! He could afford any team! Khan builds the biggest screen in existence in Jacksonville so he can move the franchise to the uk and create the biggest drive in. Yes that makes sense. If people still think khan is a James Bond villan then fair enough but the reality is that he wants us to do well and if we are in the top flight in five years time he will earn more money than he would've paying tax off his original investment.
Let me put it to you like this.; if he invested his money in an English bank he would get 0.05% interest. He bought a PL team that then flopped. If we get back to the PL he could sell us and get more than he paid. More than the banks would give him interest. He won't walk away worse off IF we get promoted. Good bussiness for a bussiness man. Mof, great man he is walked away with a profit on FFc. Mainly down to him taking a risk but he got more than he gave. That isn't to say when he gave it wasn't a risk. It was a big risk but it paid off and he took more money than he gave fulham. Nine times out of ten he would be poorer but that isn't what happened. Khan is guessing the right to English football will rise and if he has a team for ten years he will get better than 0.05% on his investment. If we are a PL team he will get a better return on his money than 0.05%. We better all hope he does or we will be a championship team if not worse for a while.
I hope you're not looking for a career as a fnancial advisor!
Of course the story is rubbish, but so are some of the comments on here. 0.05% percent interest!! And how much did the Glazers put into ManU when they bought the club? Spurs may be worth £1b but that doesn't mean a buyer has to come up with £1b.
Of course I was hammered when posting this but I think there is merit in the argument. Obviously while the Bank of England gives common people 0.05% they give rich people a lot more. Reading what I said it doesn't make that much sense however why build the biggest screen and a marina in Jacksonville to sell? I think khan will be a better owner than mofo but have nothing to back it up. Who knows? Those who pretend they do are often the least trustworthy of the lot.
Would sure love to see him do another "start of the season" interview with Russ G
Quote from: St Eve on July 14, 2015, 01:29:02 AM
I guess a simple statement from Kahn would put an end to this thread
Nah, nothing can stop this particular bit of nonsense. I've stopped posting why this would never happen; it does no good.
Quote from: HatterDon on July 14, 2015, 02:11:16 AM
Quote from: St Eve on July 14, 2015, 01:29:02 AM
I guess a simple statement from Kahn would put an end to this thread
Nah, nothing can stop this particular bit of nonsense. I've stopped posting why this would never happen; it does no good.
Is a statement from the club not good enough? Football fans are fickle.
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 14, 2015, 01:39:16 AM
Quote from: GloucesterWhite on July 12, 2015, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 11, 2015, 01:53:00 AM
I haven't been on the forum for a while but I wish I had. This is the funniest thing I have seen for years. Khan buys us then sells to buy a better team because of what! He could afford any team! Khan builds the biggest screen in existence in Jacksonville so he can move the franchise to the uk and create the biggest drive in. Yes that makes sense. If people still think khan is a James Bond villan then fair enough but the reality is that he wants us to do well and if we are in the top flight in five years time he will earn more money than he would've paying tax off his original investment.
Let me put it to you like this.; if he invested his money in an English bank he would get 0.05% interest. He bought a PL team that then flopped. If we get back to the PL he could sell us and get more than he paid. More than the banks would give him interest. He won't walk away worse off IF we get promoted. Good bussiness for a bussiness man. Mof, great man he is walked away with a profit on FFc. Mainly down to him taking a risk but he got more than he gave. That isn't to say when he gave it wasn't a risk. It was a big risk but it paid off and he took more money than he gave fulham. Nine times out of ten he would be poorer but that isn't what happened. Khan is guessing the right to English football will rise and if he has a team for ten years he will get better than 0.05% on his investment. If we are a PL team he will get a better return on his money than 0.05%. We better all hope he does or we will be a championship team if not worse for a while.
I hope you're not looking for a career as a fnancial advisor!
Of course the story is rubbish, but so are some of the comments on here. 0.05% percent interest!! And how much did the Glazers put into ManU when they bought the club? Spurs may be worth £1b but that doesn't mean a buyer has to come up with £1b.
Of course I was hammered when posting this but I think there is merit in the argument. Obviously while the Bank of England gives common people 0.05% they give rich people a lot more. Reading what I said it doesn't make that much sense however why build the biggest screen and a marina in Jacksonville to sell? I think khan will be a better owner than mofo but have nothing to back it up. Who knows? Those who pretend they do are often the least trustworthy of the lot.
My contact in Jacksonville confirms it's absolute nonsense.
The same contact that told me that we would be broadcasting replays and I was the first to post.
And I'm not pretending
Quote from: Peabody on July 13, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
Pie 'n' Mash, loverly jubberly. By the way, the sauce is called liquor (no, it's not alcoholics). You surely remember Taylor's in The Broadway Logicalman? Perhaps not, they knocked it down when the built Ammersmith Flyover.
Not too certain about Taylors, but there was still a P&M shop there in the 60's & perhaps early 70's opposite the Odeon (as it was). We used to go to Saturday Morning pictures, scream our heads off at the Lone Ranger and Tom & Jerry, and then off to the P&M for lunch, if I recall it was about a shilling apiece, I helped a local milkie delivering early saturday mornings in the mid-60's so I could afford to go, I got a bare over thruppence for pocket money in those days.
I'll have to do a little research and find out what the same was then, I know the flyover was built just after I moved in Peabody's there though from Lillie Road and the P&M shop was still there following that.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on July 13, 2015, 08:38:10 PM
He is more than a god in Jacksonville.
The reception he received at the FFC game was 'tumultuous'
and he deserved and loved every minute of it.
Business is business but he doesn't do ridiculous business from what I can see.
Yep, good times, good times, he was the most personable of club owners I could ever want to meet. Very sincere when chatting with each and every Fulham fan that day.
Quote from: Peabody on July 13, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
Pie 'n' Mash, loverly jubberly. By the way, the sauce is called liquor (no, it's not alcoholics). You surely remember Taylor's in The Broadway Logicalman? Perhaps not, they knocked it down when the built Ammersmith Flyover.
Aaah, my apologies all for a senior moment...Peabody, of course you are right with the name Taylor's as being the eel and pie shop at Hammersmith. Thomas's was a chippie round my way in those days
