So do you think the stories are correct about Dunk joining are true or just once again lazy journalism. Personally if true then I think we are serious promotion contenders. I feel we would have one of the best starting 11's in the championship.
Watching our central defenders again today I certainly think we need at least one reinforcement there.
Understood he was off to Ipswich so who knows.
The one truth that we have known for months is that we need at least one new CB. Really disappointed if we don't strengthen that position.
No Ipswich was an error by the Journalist they meant us. But who knows.
I felt that Burn, Hutchinson and Woodrow were the only 3 who looked inferior to a good premier league side. The pair looked edgy, easily caught out and not an ounce of pace or reading of the game between them. I like Burn but he is no Hangeland and never will be.
If we can't keep hold of Mitroglou I think we need a quick striker plus Turner and Dunk. That would really put us into top 2 material for me. But until we sign those quality 3 or keep Mitroglou then I feel we are still very short as a whole. That's how much of a difference I think it could make.
On a side note Voser looked ok when he came on. Nothing spectacular but ok and better than Kavanagh although IMO that's not hard
Regardless of who we get in I don't think we will get promoted. Unless of course Ronaldo and Aguero join. Dunk would most definitely be a big step in the right direction.
This league is way to hard to call. I think we are in with a shout 100 times better squad then last season. Plus if the Greek stays then there's goals.
Oh so do any of the other sides have a Ronaldo in their side. Errrrrrm No, so pretty much a stupid statement.
Brighton have a friendly against Sevilla tomorrow if he plays then i think we can draw a line under this one if not the the roumors will continue until we see him in a Fulham shirt. 049:gif
Quote from: f321ffc on August 01, 2015, 08:39:41 PM
Brighton have a friendly against Sevilla tomorrow if he plays then i think we can draw a line under this one if not the the roumors will continue until we see him in a Fulham shirt. 049:gif
Very true.........
If we, a club recently from the PL with the benefits of a wealthy owner and the parachute payments cannot sign a decent centre half then we are not being serious about promotion.
And that's a fact!
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 01, 2015, 11:52:46 PM
If we, a club recently from the PL with the benefits of a wealthy owner and the parachute payments cannot sign a decent centre half then we are not being serious about promotion.
And that's a fact!
There is a vast difference between signing the center half you want and just ANY center half. If I know you really want my 3 million center half I'm going to try to get 4. The silly season isn't over. We have picked up several quality midfielders, a keeper and some full backs plus have unloaded some payroll. Seems serious to me.
Yankee J. In the world of football there are plenty of CBS better than our current trio.
In baseball parlance These are .200 position players at best.
Sure we might be going for a big free agent like Dunk but you can pick up league average guys who would be a significant upgrade on the dross we have easily.
Of course I'd rather have 2 marquee free agents but don't tell me if we can't pull of the deal(s) that there aren't plenty of signabl
e players who are better than our hapless trio.
The way to see it is that pushing for promotion is the only way. A 7th place finish, or a playoff finish without winning, is a bust. Having an embarrassment of riches to choose from is just not possible. Should we still have ~8M remaining to spend, it would be reasonable to expect a defensive mid, CB and perhaps a stricker/winger. One of those may have to be on loan, but considering we only have one loan on the books we have quite a bit of flexibility there. I think those asks are reasonable with the amount remaining in the kitty. FFP always comes into question, but right now we would be lucky to be a top 2 team.
I can't see how money is an issue.
I thought the FFP thing allowed clubs to spend a little more than their income.
So spending 10K can't be a problem, after all it seems that QPR will be playing
next Saturday !!
The rewards are $100M (ish) for promotion
What is surprising and worrying is Kit saying "If we don't sign anyone else, I'm happy with what we have"
You bet, spot on. We have a rich owner, should be able to secure a couple more top quality (starting 11) signings without too much difficulty. But we've said this before...
Quote from: Blanco on August 01, 2015, 08:23:27 PM
Regardless of who we get in I don't think we will get promoted. Unless of course Ronaldo and Aguero join. Dunk would most definitely be a big step in the right direction.
Agreed, you can have a top six team but you also need a top six manager.
Quote from: mikestrand on August 02, 2015, 03:55:48 AM
Quote from: Blanco on August 01, 2015, 08:23:27 PM
Regardless of who we get in I don't think we will get promoted. Unless of course Ronaldo and Aguero join. Dunk would most definitely be a big step in the right direction.
Agreed, you can have a top six team but you also need a top six manager.
EDIT: Whoever made the Magath auto correct, brilliant.
Give Kit a chance. Magath ran us to the ruins. No saving last season. Kit got along well I thought.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 02, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
I can't see how money is an issue.
I thought the FFP thing allowed clubs to spend a little more than their income.
So spending 10K can't be a problem, after all it seems that QPR will be playing
next Saturday !!
The rewards are $100M (ish) for promotion
What is surprising and worrying is Kit saying "If we don't sign anyone else, I'm happy with what we have"
What if your boss sent an email to everyone at your work and said i know Roger does a decent job but I'm desperate to get some one in to do his job better?
Sent from my Lenovo A5500-F using Tapatalk
When Kit say I am happy with what he has
1) he is not undermining his current team even though it has been clear all summer he wants another CB
2) he may be thinking he would sacrifice a new CB to keep Mitro
Ideally of course he would like Dunk and Mitro .....
I know I would
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 02, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
I can't see how money is an issue.
What is surprising and worrying is Kit saying "If we don't sign anyone else, I'm happy with what we have"
Money and man management. Difficult employment issues whatever your industry
A guy doing an excellent job for me resigned. I tried to convince him to stay, my boss the MD pitched in to try to get him to share and be part of our forward vision for the Company. Salary was not an issue but we could not provide him with what he wanted for his career here and now. Last Friday night we went for a beer and parted company wishing one another well.
I have been interviewing for his replacement. Soul destroying. I found the ideal replacement. Salary and benefits were not a problem but he wanted us to amend one of our terms of conditions of employment which would make him different to everyone else. Something that we were unable to accommodate.
On Monday I have a temp starting. As I still need to deliver an output I will integrate them into the team as if they were staying long term. If the temp performs beyond my expectations then I may make them permanent. In the meantime I will continue looking for the 'ideal' replacement.
The benefit I have is there are not 15,000+ people watching and listening to my every move and comment. Or thinking that they can do a better job than me. Which, of course, they might be able to.
So. Kit, Mike and Ali. Pull your fingers out. 2x CBs + 1x DM before Cardiff next week & convince the Greek that he is best off playing in the Championship for a season. Oh. And Dembele and Hyndman. Get them signed up onto long term contracts even though the chances of them getting any game time for the first team in the next 12-months looks pretty slim. Me? :kettle pot:
I agree. A manager may never truly be happy with all the players he has but it is about doing the best you can with what you have.
It seems we either keep within the FFP rules as we seem to be doing or you go down the road that Boro are. They are throwing the family silver at buying their way to promotion & blow the consequencies if they dont go up.
Quote from: grandad on August 02, 2015, 01:29:33 PM
It seems we either keep within the FFP rules as we seem to be doing or you go down the road that Boro are. They are throwing the family silver at buying their way to promotion & blow the consequencies if they dont go up.
And the consequences of not going are what? A transfer embargo so they won't be able to buy next year - not much of a problem. And a fine that their new shareholders can afford. And if it works?
Personally I wish we would follow the same course.
Quote from: MJG on August 02, 2015, 08:43:15 AM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 02, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
I can't see how money is an issue.
I thought the FFP thing allowed clubs to spend a little more than their income.
So spending 10K can't be a problem, after all it seems that QPR will be playing
next Saturday !!
The rewards are $100M (ish) for promotion
What is surprising and worrying is Kit saying "If we don't sign anyone else, I'm happy with what we have"
What if your boss sent an email to everyone at your work and said i know Roger does a decent job but I'm desperate to get some one in to do his job better?
Sent from my Lenovo A5500-F using Tapatalk
But these players aren't stupid, they will hear the rumours etc that we are trying to sign 1-2 CB's and if any of them read FOF they will be left in no doubt as to what a representative cross section of supporters think of them, which in some cases must be difficult, Ruiz being a prime example.
Another example is Tunni, after his first couple of games he was the best thing since tinned peaches and we were singing his name, now the majority on here seem to feel he he's only a squad player, at best.
We are a fickle lot, I can be as guilty as anyone on here.
When Kit says we are still looking for a couple of players, do you think that Burn, Hutchison, Bodurov etc don't realize he's talking about their positions ?
Also by talking about it on whatever media it's published in/on he is doing a lot more than sending an internal email, he's effectively telling the world, with media snoops trawling clubs fan sites he might just as well have said "To be honest, our center backs aren't good enough"
Fortunately in my life/career, that's never happened to me :0)
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 02, 2015, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 02, 2015, 08:43:15 AM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 02, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
I can't see how money is an issue.
I thought the FFP thing allowed clubs to spend a little more than their income.
So spending 10K can't be a problem, after all it seems that QPR will be playing
next Saturday !!
The rewards are $100M (ish) for promotion
What is surprising and worrying is Kit saying "If we don't sign anyone else, I'm happy with what we have"
What if your boss sent an email to everyone at your work and said i know Roger does a decent job but I'm desperate to get some one in to do his job better?
Sent from my Lenovo A5500-F using Tapatalk
But these players aren't stupid, they will hear the rumours etc that we are trying to sign 1-2 CB's and if any of them read FOF they will be left in no doubt as to what a representative cross section of supporters think of them, which in some cases must be difficult, Ruiz being a prime example.
Another example is Tunni, after his first couple of games he was the best thing since tinned peaches and we were singing his name, now the majority on here seem to feel he he's only a squad player, at best.
We are a fickle lot, I can be as guilty as anyone on here.
When Kit says we are still looking for a couple of players, do you think that Burn, Hutchison, Bodurov etc don't realize he's talking about their positions.
Then how can kit keep you happy? He says that we are looking for players but he's OK with what we have. What's he meant to say, I'm desperate for these centre backs or we are fucked?
Sent from my Lenovo A5500-F using Tapatalk
Quote from: MJG on August 02, 2015, 02:05:32 PM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 02, 2015, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 02, 2015, 08:43:15 AM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 02, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
I can't see how money is an issue.
I thought the FFP thing allowed clubs to spend a little more than their income.
So spending 10K can't be a problem, after all it seems that QPR will be playing
next Saturday !!
The rewards are $100M (ish) for promotion
What is surprising and worrying is Kit saying "If we don't sign anyone else, I'm happy with what we have"
What if your boss sent an email to everyone at your work and said i know Roger does a decent job but I'm desperate to get some one in to do his job better?
Sent from my Lenovo A5500-F using Tapatalk
But these players aren't stupid, they will hear the rumours etc that we are trying to sign 1-2 CB's and if any of them read FOF they will be left in no doubt as to what a representative cross section of supporters think of them, which in some cases must be difficult, Ruiz being a prime example.
Another example is Tunni, after his first couple of games he was the best thing since tinned peaches and we were singing his name, now the majority on here seem to feel he he's only a squad player, at best.
We are a fickle lot, I can be as guilty as anyone on here.
When Kit says we are still looking for a couple of players, do you think that Burn, Hutchison, Bodurov etc don't realize he's talking about their positions.
Then how can kit keep you happy? He says that we are looking for players but he's OK with what we have. What's he meant to say, I'm desperate for these centre backs or we are fucked?
What he said......excellent. Would definitely not like to work for almost all football fans, ludicrous criticism of perfectly acceptable man management behaviour
Was 2/5 on to join us.
Betting now on him Suspended and taken
down on Oddschecker...Curious..
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 02, 2015, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 02, 2015, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 02, 2015, 08:43:15 AM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 02, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
I can't see how money is an issue.
I thought the FFP thing allowed clubs to spend a little more than their income.
So spending 10K can't be a problem, after all it seems that QPR will be playing
next Saturday !!
The rewards are $100M (ish) for promotion
What is surprising and worrying is Kit saying "If we don't sign anyone else, I'm happy with what we have"
What if your boss sent an email to everyone at your work and said i know Roger does a decent job but I'm desperate to get some one in to do his job better?
Sent from my Lenovo A5500-F using Tapatalk
But these players aren't stupid, they will hear the rumours etc that we are trying to sign 1-2 CB's and if any of them read FOF they will be left in no doubt as to what a representative cross section of supporters think of them, which in some cases must be difficult, Ruiz being a prime example.
Another example is Tunni, after his first couple of games he was the best thing since tinned peaches and we were singing his name, now the majority on here seem to feel he he's only a squad player, at best.
We are a fickle lot, I can be as guilty as anyone on here.
When Kit says we are still looking for a couple of players, do you think that Burn, Hutchison, Bodurov etc don't realize he's talking about their positions ?
Also by talking about it on whatever media it's published in/on he is doing a lot more than sending an internal email, he's effectively telling the world, with media snoops trawling clubs fan sites he might just as well have said "To be honest, our center backs aren't good enough"
Fortunately in my life/career, that's never happened to me :0)
Of course if any players read between the lines and also read rumours about themselves, which may or may not be derogatory, and of course we all want to do our best in whatever we do, or at least try. Also reading not so charming comments about yourself as a footballer can hurt and make you despondent. But if I was a footballer reading these opinions, even if I felt they were harsh and unjustified, my reaction would be to make me prove my detractors wrong, and show them I am good enough, and prove them wrong.
Nobody wants to read rotten things about themselves or feel people do not have confidence in you, sometimes they can make you more resilient and tougher, that depends on the individual of course.
WM,
You and I would have the same "I'll show them" attitude.
Most people would agree that competition for places is a good thing, unless of course your 'position competitor' is picked instead of you and then it could be a case of...........
"Well what's a matter with me, I was here first and they just offered me a 2 year contract + he can't kick with both feet and is slow and both Jol and Magath said...................
Dunk is in the starting 11 unfortunatly. Probably means he won't be joining us.
Quote from: Blanco on August 02, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
Dunk is in the starting 11 unfortunatly. Probably means he won't be joining us.
Odds checker have taken it down, not suspended it, it's still 6/4 on Ladbrokes.
Or he just wants to say fair well to the crowd!!
Quote from: Blanco on August 02, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
Dunk is in the starting 11 unfortunatly. Probably means he won't be joining us.
If I was Fulham, expecting to buy him in the next couple of weeks (with nothing sealed obviously), I would be happy for him to play today, to keep up his match fitness.
Last thing we want is to buy a player who can't play for 3 weeks because he's not 'match fit'.
He's no more likely to get injured playing today, than for us in his first game, and so don't see an issue.
All it tells me, is that Brighton see him as part of their plans until we stump up the required readies - which we are admittedly slow doing...
049:gif
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 02, 2015, 05:28:21 PM
A milk float with a flat tyre could move faster.
I think Dunks walking here but gets half way and Brighton ring him and say we need you for a game today
It is all funk, this talk of Dunk and us being sunk. I'll make it clear and I am being sincere. I am not following some agenda, we will buy some other defender.
Tom Lees is the Bees Knees so Wednesday
fans think,so I will tip my hat to them and head off
out for a drink... fp.gif
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 02, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 02, 2015, 07:01:31 PM
It is all funk, this talk of Dunk and us being sunk. I'll make it clear and I am being sincere. I am not following some agenda, we will buy some other defender.
You are a poet, and didn't know it.
I think its called a lack of serious football.
I do think this deal will go over the line. When? I don't know, but I'm sure we'll end up eventually getting Brighton to agree to a deal and he'd be happy to leave. It would be interesting to see who our planned partner for him is.
Quote from: FPT on August 02, 2015, 11:14:06 PM
I do think this deal will go over the line. When? I don't know, but I'm sure we'll end up eventually getting Brighton to agree to a deal and he'd be happy to leave. It would be interesting to see who our planned partner for him is.
would he be happy to leave? you would have thought he would of slapped a transfer request in if he really wanted to move
Quote from: fulhamben on August 02, 2015, 11:21:29 PM
Quote from: FPT on August 02, 2015, 11:14:06 PM
I do think this deal will go over the line. When? I don't know, but I'm sure we'll end up eventually getting Brighton to agree to a deal and he'd be happy to leave. It would be interesting to see who our planned partner for him is.
would he be happy to leave? you would have thought he would of slapped a transfer request in if he really wanted to move
Happy to leave wasn't a great way of putting it, but I don't think he'd mind leaving, it's an upwards move, he'd probably get paid more and is joining a club with a better chance of playing in the Premier League.
Quote from: FPT on August 02, 2015, 11:24:16 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 02, 2015, 11:21:29 PM
Quote from: FPT on August 02, 2015, 11:14:06 PM
I do think this deal will go over the line. When? I don't know, but I'm sure we'll end up eventually getting Brighton to agree to a deal and he'd be happy to leave. It would be interesting to see who our planned partner for him is.
would he be happy to leave? you would have thought he would of slapped a transfer request in if he really wanted to move
Happy to leave wasn't a great way of putting it, but I don't think he'd mind leaving, it's an upwards move, he'd probably get paid more and is joining a club with a better chance of playing in the Premier League.
maybe
The lad cannot win. If he didn't play then people would slam Dunk for having a bad attitude and if he plays, then he has no interest in joining Fulham.
Quote from: Rudolph on August 02, 2015, 11:36:36 PM
The lad cannot win. If he didn't play then people would slam Dunk for having a bad attitude and if he plays, then he has no interest in joining Fulham.
"slam Dunk" nice one
Was having a discussion with a Seagulls fan on Twitter. Fulham getting slaughtered for repeatedly going back after Brighton saying not for sale.
I said to him how come the silence from Dunk is deafening, hes a Brighton lad born and bred, if he wanted to stay would he not made some kind of statement?
I reckon its a done deal if Fulham go north of £4 million and his wages are sorted. Someone said on here last week that was holding things up.
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Moronic quote of the day. Well Done.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Not necessarily Kits fault but someone does
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Moronic quote of the day. Well Done.
....and before his first cup of Tea ;)
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Moronic quote of the day. Well Done.
Perhaps 'moronic' in its execution but not moronic in principle.
Despite our awful defence last season Kit has been kept on and given the opportunity to have a full pre season with a squad full of 'his' players.
He has had a full pre season to coach his defence, and where there are weaknesses in that defence, to strengthen in the transfer market.
So far we have strengthened at right back and at left back. Early evidence during pre season shows our defence is still disorganised and remains a weakness. Arguably at this stage, this could be due to a lack of quality centre backs. In which case it is paramount we strengthen in that area (which the club appears to be doing without success so far).
If we do strengthen, and despite bringing new centre backs in, our defence is still poor. Then we know the blame lies with our coaching team and a failure in its ability to organise and coach the defence.
If the problems in our defence negatively impact on the team reaching the stated goal of promotion - then yes, Kit will be sacked.
If we do invest in a new defence and we still have problems leaking goals then I imagine the club will move pretty quickly to replace the coaching team so we can still have a chance of reaching play offs.
Quote from: alexbishop on August 03, 2015, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Moronic quote of the day. Well Done.
Perhaps 'moronic' in its execution but not moronic in principle.
Despite our awful defence last season Kit has been kept on and given the opportunity to have a full pre season with a squad full of 'his' players.
He has had a full pre season to coach his defence, and where there are weaknesses in that defence, to strengthen in the transfer market.
So far we have strengthened at right back and at left back. Early evidence during pre season shows our defence is still disorganised and remains a weakness. Arguably at this stage, this could be due to a lack of quality centre backs. In which case it is paramount we strengthen in that area (which the club appears to be doing without success so far).
If we do strengthen, and despite bringing new centre backs in, our defence is still poor. Then we know the blame lies with our coaching team and a failure in its ability to organise and coach the defence.
If the problems in our defence negatively impact on the team reaching the stated goal of promotion - then yes, Kit will be sacked.
If we do invest in a new defence and we still have problems leaking goals then I imagine the club will move pretty quickly to replace the coaching team so we can still have a chance of reaching play offs.
Certainly a more well argued position.
For me, saying "Kit needs sacking if we start the season with a weaker defence than last season" is utterly moronic.
For a start we arguably already have a better defence. Richards, Lonergan and Garbutt are improvements on what we had at the start of last season; please note Grimmer was out on loan in League Two at the start of last season and where Lonergan may not be an upgrade on Bettinelli, though that in itself is debatable, he is certainly an upgrade on Kiraly.
Secondly, working on the premise that we DO have a worse defence (we don't - see above), sacking Kit for such a thing would be to totally ignore all the improvements we HAVE made across the midfield. Pringle, O'Hara and Cairney are all excellent signings.
Thirdly, if we were to sack Kit for such a reason, wouldn't Mike Rigg have to go too? Is that what you want? Given he is directly responsible for player acquisitions, along side Kit, then surely he needs to be fired too?!
Finally, sacking Kit for the simple fact you don't like our starting back four on the first game of the season is utterly ridiculous. Think about how that sounds, think how we would scorn on other clubs for doing such a thing.
So yeah, basically it's nonsense.
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: alexbishop on August 03, 2015, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Moronic quote of the day. Well Done.
Perhaps 'moronic' in its execution but not moronic in principle.
Despite our awful defence last season Kit has been kept on and given the opportunity to have a full pre season with a squad full of 'his' players.
He has had a full pre season to coach his defence, and where there are weaknesses in that defence, to strengthen in the transfer market.
So far we have strengthened at right back and at left back. Early evidence during pre season shows our defence is still disorganised and remains a weakness. Arguably at this stage, this could be due to a lack of quality centre backs. In which case it is paramount we strengthen in that area (which the club appears to be doing without success so far).
If we do strengthen, and despite bringing new centre backs in, our defence is still poor. Then we know the blame lies with our coaching team and a failure in its ability to organise and coach the defence.
If the problems in our defence negatively impact on the team reaching the stated goal of promotion - then yes, Kit will be sacked.
If we do invest in a new defence and we still have problems leaking goals then I imagine the club will move pretty quickly to replace the coaching team so we can still have a chance of reaching play offs.
Certainly a more well argued position.
For me, saying "Kit needs sacking if we start the season with a weaker defence than last season" is utterly moronic.
For a start we arguably already have a better defence. Richards, Lonergan and Garbutt are improvements on what we had at the start of last season; please note Grimmer was out on loan in League Two at the start of last season and where Lonergan may not be an upgrade on Bettinelli, though that in itself is debatable, he is certainly an upgrade on Kiraly.
Secondly, working on the premise that we DO have a worse defence (we don't - see above), sacking Kit for such a thing would be to totally ignore all the improvements we HAVE made across the midfield. Pringle, O'Hara and Cairney are all excellent signings.
Thirdly, if we were to sack Kit for such a reason, wouldn't Mike Rigg have to go too? Is that what you want? Given he is directly responsible for player acquisitions, along side Kit, then surely he needs to be fired too?!
Finally, sacking Kit for the simple fact you don't like our starting back four on the first game of the season is utterly ridiculous. Think about how that sounds, think how we would scorn on other clubs for doing such a thing.
So yeah, basically it's nonsense.
so let's get this straight. You think jazz is better than jazz and Garbutt is better than husband? Ok so I'll accept lots on here don't actually see us play, but then with the loss of Turner, you still think we have done well in this windows? Big words or not, you are still full of ( our defence)
so let's get this straight. You think jazz is better than jazz and Garbutt is better than husband? Ok so I'll accept lots on here don't actually see us play, but then with the loss of Turner, you still think we have done well in this windows? Big words or not, you are still full of ( our defence)
[/quote]
Hadn't thought about it like that. Actually, our defence as it stands is weaker than with above in the team. I would take Turner over any of our cb's and Husband over Garbutt although I don't think theres going to be much in it. husband is just Championship hardened already. Good point however.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Seriously ridiculous comment.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: alexbishop on August 03, 2015, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Moronic quote of the day. Well Done.
Perhaps 'moronic' in its execution but not moronic in principle.
Despite our awful defence last season Kit has been kept on and given the opportunity to have a full pre season with a squad full of 'his' players.
He has had a full pre season to coach his defence, and where there are weaknesses in that defence, to strengthen in the transfer market.
So far we have strengthened at right back and at left back. Early evidence during pre season shows our defence is still disorganised and remains a weakness. Arguably at this stage, this could be due to a lack of quality centre backs. In which case it is paramount we strengthen in that area (which the club appears to be doing without success so far).
If we do strengthen, and despite bringing new centre backs in, our defence is still poor. Then we know the blame lies with our coaching team and a failure in its ability to organise and coach the defence.
If the problems in our defence negatively impact on the team reaching the stated goal of promotion - then yes, Kit will be sacked.
If we do invest in a new defence and we still have problems leaking goals then I imagine the club will move pretty quickly to replace the coaching team so we can still have a chance of reaching play offs.
Certainly a more well argued position.
For me, saying "Kit needs sacking if we start the season with a weaker defence than last season" is utterly moronic.
For a start we arguably already have a better defence. Richards, Lonergan and Garbutt are improvements on what we had at the start of last season; please note Grimmer was out on loan in League Two at the start of last season and where Lonergan may not be an upgrade on Bettinelli, though that in itself is debatable, he is certainly an upgrade on Kiraly.
Secondly, working on the premise that we DO have a worse defence (we don't - see above), sacking Kit for such a thing would be to totally ignore all the improvements we HAVE made across the midfield. Pringle, O'Hara and Cairney are all excellent signings.
Thirdly, if we were to sack Kit for such a reason, wouldn't Mike Rigg have to go too? Is that what you want? Given he is directly responsible for player acquisitions, along side Kit, then surely he needs to be fired too?!
Finally, sacking Kit for the simple fact you don't like our starting back four on the first game of the season is utterly ridiculous. Think about how that sounds, think how we would scorn on other clubs for doing such a thing.
So yeah, basically it's nonsense.
so let's get this straight. You think jazz is better than jazz and Garbutt is better than husband? Ok so I'll accept lots on here don't actually see us play, but then with the loss of Turner, you still think we have done well in this windows? Big words or not, you are still full of ( our defence)
How many games did Husband play and Richards was with us for less than half the season.
Take from this what you will, but a friend who's dad used to play for Brighton in the 80s and is still friends with one of the directors have said he (Dunk) asked for a new contract, but the club wouldn't meet his demands, so he should be a Fulham player by the end of the week...
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on August 04, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Take from this what you will, but a friend who's dad used to play for Brighton in the 80s and is still friends with one of the directors have said he (Dunk) asked for a new contract, but the club wouldn't meet his demands, so he should be a Fulham player by the end of the week...
Don't suppose you have friends whose dads used to play for Palace and Norwich, eh?
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 04, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on August 04, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Take from this what you will, but a friend who's dad used to play for Brighton in the 80s and is still friends with one of the directors have said he (Dunk) asked for a new contract, but the club wouldn't meet his demands, so he should be a Fulham player by the end of the week...
Don't suppose you have friends whose dads used to play for Palace and Norwich, eh?
Can't help there mate!
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on August 04, 2015, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 04, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on August 04, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Take from this what you will, but a friend who's dad used to play for Brighton in the 80s and is still friends with one of the directors have said he (Dunk) asked for a new contract, but the club wouldn't meet his demands, so he should be a Fulham player by the end of the week...
Don't suppose you have friends whose dads used to play for Palace and Norwich, eh?
Can't help there mate!
Aw shucks!
Still. Hope your mate's father's hearing is good.
After our first bid, he supposedly asked for a new contract, but Brighton have a wage cap of £10k so wouldn't meet it.
I heard Dunk was after 20-30k or so a week
Quote from: westcliff white on August 04, 2015, 03:35:31 PM
I heard Dunk was after 20-30k or so a week
Which Brighton won't pay...
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: alexbishop on August 03, 2015, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Moronic quote of the day. Well Done.
Perhaps 'moronic' in its execution but not moronic in principle.
Despite our awful defence last season Kit has been kept on and given the opportunity to have a full pre season with a squad full of 'his' players.
He has had a full pre season to coach his defence, and where there are weaknesses in that defence, to strengthen in the transfer market.
So far we have strengthened at right back and at left back. Early evidence during pre season shows our defence is still disorganised and remains a weakness. Arguably at this stage, this could be due to a lack of quality centre backs. In which case it is paramount we strengthen in that area (which the club appears to be doing without success so far).
If we do strengthen, and despite bringing new centre backs in, our defence is still poor. Then we know the blame lies with our coaching team and a failure in its ability to organise and coach the defence.
If the problems in our defence negatively impact on the team reaching the stated goal of promotion - then yes, Kit will be sacked.
If we do invest in a new defence and we still have problems leaking goals then I imagine the club will move pretty quickly to replace the coaching team so we can still have a chance of reaching play offs.
Certainly a more well argued position.
For me, saying "Kit needs sacking if we start the season with a weaker defence than last season" is utterly moronic.
For a start we arguably already have a better defence. Richards, Lonergan and Garbutt are improvements on what we had at the start of last season; please note Grimmer was out on loan in League Two at the start of last season and where Lonergan may not be an upgrade on Bettinelli, though that in itself is debatable, he is certainly an upgrade on Kiraly.
Secondly, working on the premise that we DO have a worse defence (we don't - see above), sacking Kit for such a thing would be to totally ignore all the improvements we HAVE made across the midfield. Pringle, O'Hara and Cairney are all excellent signings.
Thirdly, if we were to sack Kit for such a reason, wouldn't Mike Rigg have to go too? Is that what you want? Given he is directly responsible for player acquisitions, along side Kit, then surely he needs to be fired too?!
Finally, sacking Kit for the simple fact you don't like our starting back four on the first game of the season is utterly ridiculous. Think about how that sounds, think how we would scorn on other clubs for doing such a thing.
So yeah, basically it's nonsense.
so let's get this straight. You think jazz is better than jazz and Garbutt is better than husband? Ok so I'll accept lots on here don't actually see us play, but then with the loss of Turner, you still think we have done well in this windows? Big words or not, you are still full of ( our defence)
None of what you purport I said is correct. Read my post again. I was comparing our defence now to our defence at the start of last season. RB was Hoogland or Zverotic, LB was Stafylidis. Are Jazz and Garbutt better than those players? I would suggest they are.
Turner was a loan. Husband was a loan. They were ALWAYS due to go back to their parent clubs.
Yes I think we have thus far had a good summer; if we get Dunk and Dwight Gale and perhaps one other CB I would say it has been an EXCELLENT summer.
So, in conclusion, make sure you read other people's comments properly before you give it the large one.
Kudos on the (our defence) bit...that is marginally amusing.
Cheers.
I really don't think this lad is worth 4million and 20k+ a week. If he was this good a host of premiership and promotion contenders from the championship would be after him, as it stands we are the only team with any evidence of credible interest.
I would happily look elsewhere, preferably a centre back with some.....no, a lot of pace!
Has there been even a credible source write about this transfer? The only actual facts we know are that he's playing friendlies for Brighton and they say he's not for sale.
Was trying to do further fishing around for Dunk info as one of my friends is a Physio at Brighton and she reminded me that he was one of the players caught up in the rape fiasco that they had a couple of years back... Even though he was found not guilty, supposedly it was all still very suspicious and before that Arsenal were interested in him, but backed out very quickly once that story broke... Is he the type of player we want at Fulham, someone who is connected to stories like that?
I think the words not guilty are quite important in European laws.
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 04, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: alexbishop on August 03, 2015, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 03, 2015, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 03, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 03, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
He will not join us until after we play Brighton in the second game of the season
If we start the season with a worse defence than last year, then kit needs sacking.
Moronic quote of the day. Well Done.
Perhaps 'moronic' in its execution but not moronic in principle.
Despite our awful defence last season Kit has been kept on and given the opportunity to have a full pre season with a squad full of 'his' players.
He has had a full pre season to coach his defence, and where there are weaknesses in that defence, to strengthen in the transfer market.
So far we have strengthened at right back and at left back. Early evidence during pre season shows our defence is still disorganised and remains a weakness. Arguably at this stage, this could be due to a lack of quality centre backs. In which case it is paramount we strengthen in that area (which the club appears to be doing without success so far).
If we do strengthen, and despite bringing new centre backs in, our defence is still poor. Then we know the blame lies with our coaching team and a failure in its ability to organise and coach the defence.
If the problems in our defence negatively impact on the team reaching the stated goal of promotion - then yes, Kit will be sacked.
If we do invest in a new defence and we still have problems leaking goals then I imagine the club will move pretty quickly to replace the coaching team so we can still have a chance of reaching play offs.
Certainly a more well argued position.
For me, saying "Kit needs sacking if we start the season with a weaker defence than last season" is utterly moronic.
For a start we arguably already have a better defence. Richards, Lonergan and Garbutt are improvements on what we had at the start of last season; please note Grimmer was out on loan in League Two at the start of last season and where Lonergan may not be an upgrade on Bettinelli, though that in itself is debatable, he is certainly an upgrade on Kiraly.
Secondly, working on the premise that we DO have a worse defence (we don't - see above), sacking Kit for such a thing would be to totally ignore all the improvements we HAVE made across the midfield. Pringle, O'Hara and Cairney are all excellent signings.
Thirdly, if we were to sack Kit for such a reason, wouldn't Mike Rigg have to go too? Is that what you want? Given he is directly responsible for player acquisitions, along side Kit, then surely he needs to be fired too?!
Finally, sacking Kit for the simple fact you don't like our starting back four on the first game of the season is utterly ridiculous. Think about how that sounds, think how we would scorn on other clubs for doing such a thing.
So yeah, basically it's nonsense.
so let's get this straight. You think jazz is better than jazz and Garbutt is better than husband? Ok so I'll accept lots on here don't actually see us play, but then with the loss of Turner, you still think we have done well in this windows? Big words or not, you are still full of ( our defence)
None of what you purport I said is correct. Read my post again. I was comparing our defence now to our defence at the start of last season. RB was Hoogland or Zverotic, LB was Stafylidis. Are Jazz and Garbutt better than those players? I would suggest they are.
Turner was a loan. Husband was a loan. They were ALWAYS due to go back to their parent clubs.
Yes I think we have thus far had a good summer; if we get Dunk and Dwight Gale and perhaps one other CB I would say it has been an EXCELLENT summer.
So, in conclusion, make sure you read other people's comments properly before you give it the large one.
Kudos on the (our defence) bit...that is marginally amusing.
Cheers.
but we did have jazz Turner and husband in the same team, and our defence was still crap. All we have done now is make it worse. And yes if we sign players we are linked with then it might be a good windows. But alas as things stand they are just rumours and our defence is still poor
Quote from: gang on August 04, 2015, 07:34:37 PM
I think the words not guilty are quite important in European laws.
This
Quote from: gang on August 04, 2015, 07:34:37 PM
I think the words not guilty are quite important in European laws.
Yeah I understand that and that's what I said to her, but then her reply was that it was all really suspicious. Anyway, just saying... I had forgotten about all that.
Even a cursory reading of an account of the events reveals that although 'fiasco' may be merited, 'rape' is an incorrect word. The players were accused, and acquitted, of 'sexual assault and voyeurism.' Although serious, this does not constitute rape and, as has been said, nobody was accused of this crime.
Again, even a quick reading of events, shows that much of the 'suspicion' mentioned falls on the evidence given by the young lady in question - as the jury seemed to realize.